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Atrial Fibrillation And Arizona Bark Scorpion Sting

DavidE - 9-17-2013 at 10:20 AM

This may be of interest to folks with "a-fib" and have not had a scorpion sting. My remarks are not meant as a treatise on the subject merely a collection of notes and comments.

First: This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with possible allergic reaction which can be life threatening.

I got nailed last night on the pinkie by a bark scorpion I.D. positively established.

Naturally I became curious as to what effect if any it would have on my (under control with medication) Atrial Fibrillation.

Cutting co the quick - I had no heart irregularity whatsoever. BP did not rise and pulse did not quicken. Even a tiny bit.

Hopefully this will serve to assuage fears by Afib patients about a possible reaction to heart firing regularity.

Again, this is not about allergic reaction. Different animal entirely.

David K - 9-17-2013 at 10:40 AM

So what happened Dah-veed? Did you experience the tingling up one arm and down the other that Graham Mackintosh described?

redmesa - 9-17-2013 at 10:43 AM

On my toe...like a painful bee sting.

DavidE - 9-17-2013 at 12:49 PM

I've been nailed a dozen times and no two seem to have been the same.

An initial "prick" feeling much like getting a cactus fruit (tuna) spine embedded in a finger. It grew in intensity. I found the scorpion after three seconds and six seconds after that it was not a happy scorpion. Genuine trichloroehylene spray brake clean is one unforgiving insect killer.

My sole issue is my seeming growing sensitivity to allergies. Flowers and medicines that once had never bothered me now give me a hard time. So I bailed, and went to the local clinica, explained what was going on, showed them the alacran in a baggie, sat in a chair and hoped nothing was going to happen. They took my BP "just in case". Normal. After a half hour I left.

Pain? Different than a bee string (The Tarantula Hunter is supposed to be the king of stings).

Ever had a "tuning fork" pranged then held against your skin? That's what the sting effects consist of mainly different and separate from the "discomfort". A buzzing feeling. No throat or tongue malarkey - that's reserved for serious reactions. Foaming at the mouth is a sign of a really bad reaction to a scorpion sting. Time to get medical treatment fast.

Children should be watched CLOSELY. If they start in with involuntary eye movements, it becomes a medical emergency.

The finger is still a bit swollen, tender and "tuning fork" sensitive* as I write this 12 hours later. All in all a very moderate kitchen burn would have hurt worse, so would a yellowjacket sting but it would not have lasted as long.

*I am using the pinkie on the right hand shift key here...

comitan - 9-17-2013 at 01:00 PM

If you had soaked your finger in HOT water for 10 minutes it would be gone-gone the same with a bee sting or stingray, works for me!!!!

EnsenadaDr - 9-17-2013 at 01:06 PM

Have you thought about cardioversion? They are doing that with chronic afib now with success.
Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE
This may be of interest to folks with "a-fib" and have not had a scorpion sting. My remarks are not meant as a treatise on the subject merely a collection of notes and comments.

First: This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with possible allergic reaction which can be life threatening.

I got nailed last night on the pinkie by a bark scorpion I.D. positively established.

Naturally I became curious as to what effect if any it would have on my (under control with medication) Atrial Fibrillation.

Cutting co the quick - I had no heart irregularity whatsoever. BP did not rise and pulse did not quicken. Even a tiny bit.

Hopefully this will serve to assuage fears by Afib patients about a possible reaction to heart firing regularity.

Again, this is not about allergic reaction. Different animal entirely.

DavidE - 9-17-2013 at 01:55 PM

With a tad of common sense (Electrolyte balance, reducing sodium intake, while increasing magnesium intake to 200mg day, I suffer no episodes gracias la doctora. I am trying to avoid A-fib and the need for rat poison as long as I can.

I also have 2nd degree heart block. I am going to press for an electrocardiogram and a fast session with a cardiologist this coming month to get his opinion whether or not he has a hunch total heart block may be in the cards. The presence of possibly needing a pacemaker sort of trumps other procedures. I survived trying to kill myself via drug administration at home when I mistakenly took 200mg of metopralol. I now know that 3rd degree heart block feels like (78/45 with a pulse of 36). The doctors were astonished I could walk bent over (could not straighten up without passing out). When I realized it was me and not heart block I had an enfermera run out and purchase 5 cups of coffee for a big tip. We do not take medications any more in dawn's early light sans reading glasses.

EnsenadaDr - 9-17-2013 at 01:58 PM

actually you could have a severe bradycardia (low heart rate) and low blood pressure without third degree heart block which means total dissociation between P and QRS complexes.

shari - 9-17-2013 at 02:05 PM

wee highjack....I got bit by an ant while gardening a few day ago and it's stung like a mother...and itched bad bad bad....so I tried the remedy someone here mentioned I think....put scotch tape on it and it DID relieve the terrible itch! still itched 2 days later.

DavidE - 9-17-2013 at 02:57 PM

Absence of any relationship between P waves of sinus origin and QRS complexes (AV dissociation) O2 carrying ability differential is NEGLIGIBLE in its effects, regardless of its cause What I am concerned with because of actual experience is O2 deprivation which WILL lead to infarction. A chain reaction ventricular event is not what I seek. Telling MediCare to protocol cardioversion in a patient with a history of 99.9% sinus rhythm would be, ah shall we say "A Tough Sell" No evidence of ischemic heart disease (IHD) means I am not doing anything radically incorrect. Atrial Fibrillation is an inherited dysfunction. There is a ridiculous amount of proof supporting this. What my objective is, is to satisfy myself that total heart block is not in my future. If any of the electrode readings (interpretations) have degenerated since my last electrocardiogram, I am going to push for preventative employment of a "pacemaker". When benefit to risk ratio becomes absurd, I do not intend to simply sit back and not take a proactive stance.

But thank you for the comments. You are most kind to offer a degree of knowledge that I appreciate!

EnsenadaDr - 9-17-2013 at 03:08 PM

Afib is generally caused by degenerative disease such as arteriosclerosis. Why is it then a disease of old age? You had a problem with anemia, so your oxygen carrying capability was low and this can have an effect on the heart. A pacemaker is indicated when the heart rate is too low, that is, when a patient has knocked out the SA node and is operating on the AV node and is symptomatic or in 2nd degree heart block non-Mobitz or 3rd degree. And yes, a pacemaker is indicated in third degree heart block, which is a dissociation between p and qrs and can lead to total heart block. They won't just give you a pacemaker because your EKG has degenerated, especially if you've gone into rapid Afib.

comitan - 9-17-2013 at 03:15 PM

David

Since you are so knowledgeable about Afib, IHD(heart blockage) will you explain how a pacemaker is going to help you survive a heart blockage?

Insect "Bite" Puritis Comezon Relief

DavidE - 9-17-2013 at 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by shari
wee highjack....I got bit by an ant while gardening a few day ago and it's stung like a mother...and itched bad bad bad....so I tried the remedy someone here mentioned I think....put scotch tape on it and it DID relieve the terrible itch! still itched 2 days later.


Unless multiple "Bites" demand the use of injected antihistamines, the best relief I have ever encountered BY FAR is cautious and conscientious application of "dabs" of hot water to the affected site. Yes this goes AGAINST convention of medical advice, but like most common sense findings, it works. It works well.

Wash the area well. Heat purified water to boiling or near boiling. Dip a Q-tip into the water, quickly shake any excess droplet off, and apply the Q-tip end to the affected bite. This may work with one application but with some forms of no-see-um (jejene) bites, I have had to wait a minute between applications and reapply up to three times. Hold the swab to the area for several seconds. Yes this means dealing with potentially scalding water, and due caution must be exercised. The word Q-tip does not mean bath towel. It is a precisely dosed application of hot water for a specific time. Limit applications to the absolute minimum that will sustain adequate relief. Caladryl Clear? You must be joking. I have applied repeatedly 10% concentrated Lidocaine to an affected area, and the hot water and Q-tip protocol is infinitely more effective. The relief is usually total and permanent for that bite.

redmesa - 9-17-2013 at 03:30 PM

My childhood was full of bites on the gulf coast....my Dad put on chewed tobacco or baking soda paste. It seemed to work when I was a child but then I had total belief in my Dad.

willardguy - 9-17-2013 at 03:41 PM

I'd hop the first bus to ensenada and soak it in cider!:lol:

DavidE - 9-17-2013 at 03:43 PM

There is a common sense limit to the number of bites I would treat at any one time. And I guess I should now state this is not a child's forum. The hot water should not be used on Children nor for more than six or so bites on adults.

paranewbi - 9-17-2013 at 03:48 PM

Scorpion got me on my side 3 times about 1 inch apart...was in my shirt for less than a few seconds! Exactly how you describe it DavidE...buzzing sensation, but my ran up and down between the 3 sting zones...for about 3 hours. Then went away. This was in BoLA when I threw my towel over my shoulder to go for a bath it must have slid into my shirt... don't hang towel up on nail under palapa was the lesson.

DavidE - 9-17-2013 at 03:49 PM

Not bad seņor alacran!

Sixteen hours, and not much relief, but the tuning fork effect has intensified. Bark Scorpions indeed offer an E Ticket ride!

CortezBlue - 9-17-2013 at 05:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE
This may be of interest to folks with "a-fib" and have not had a scorpion sting. My remarks are not meant as a treatise on the subject merely a collection of notes and comments.

First: This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with possible allergic reaction which can be life threatening.

I got nailed last night on the pinkie by a bark scorpion I.D. positively established.

Naturally I became curious as to what effect if any it would have on my (under control with medication) Atrial Fibrillation.

Cutting co the quick - I had no heart irregularity whatsoever. BP did not rise and pulse did not quicken. Even a tiny bit.

Hopefully this will serve to assuage fears by Afib patients about a possible reaction to heart firing regularity.

Again, this is not about allergic reaction. Different animal entirely.


Living in AZ I have been stung more by scorpions than I have bee's or wasps.

The only time I ever had problems was when I was sound asleep and a scorpion sting me on my right thumb, next to the thumb nail. By the late morning my right arm was numb up to my shoulder. This lasted for nearly 3 days. Little by little every day the numbness crawled its way back down my arm until it was back to normal.

However, I have been stung twice by the same scorpion and it hardly caused anything more than a bee sting.

durrelllrobert - 9-17-2013 at 05:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Afib is generally caused by degenerative disease such as arteriosclerosis. Why is it then a disease of old age? You had a problem with anemia, so your oxygen carrying capability was low and this can have an effect on the heart. A pacemaker is indicated when the heart rate is too low, that is, when a patient has knocked out the SA node and is operating on the AV node and is symptomatic or in 2nd degree heart block non-Mobitz or 3rd degree. And yes, a pacemaker is indicated in third degree heart block, which is a dissociation between p and qrs and can lead to total heart block. They won't just give you a pacemaker because your EKG has degenerated, especially if you've gone into rapid Afib.

During my 3 day stay at the hospital in Canada with pneumonia I was also diagnosed with Afib. They wanted to put me on blood thinners and keep me there another week and then do an electrical cardioversion . Fortunately (or unfortunately) the hospital stay for a non-Canadian runs $3780 per day in a ward so I opted for a discharge and drove home. I went to see my Cardiologist at Kaiser and had an EKG that showed a normal heart rhythm and he said that my irregular heart rhythm in Canada was probably due to my pneumonia and the medication they were giving me.

[Edited on 9-18-2013 by durrelllrobert]

[Edited on 9-18-2013 by durrelllrobert]

durrelllrobert - 9-17-2013 at 06:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by willardguy
I'd hop the first bus to ensenada and soak it in cider!:lol:

... but that treatment will not work if you have ED :lol::lol::lol:

Tod - 9-17-2013 at 07:33 PM

Turning 60 soon. I had a outpatient surgery for my 'surfers eye' 6 years ago. For some reason I had a bad reaction (could be the same stress I always feel with medical issues) and ended up coding. They performed CPR immediately. I came back slowly, like a long tunnel. I could hear everyone and when Ied finally open my eyes there was a beautiful and dedicated nurse on top of me giving me CPR. I told them they were overreacting and they responded by throwing me in an ambulance. The ER doc's (cowboys) performed a cardioversion...worked for a few minutes. Spent three days in the hospital with another cardioversion that did not work. Over the next year I did the rat poison and sotolol. That was no fun. Due to the drugs the nurses had trouble finding my heartbeat for BP readings. My heart doc at the time performed one more cardioversion which worked for a while but did not stick.s Eventually I was referred to an A-Fib specialist. After several times of wearing a portable EKG they suggested I do a catheter ablation. Pretty cool procedure....done robotically. That was 5 years ago and I have been good since. Surf hard, dive, climb.....all that good stuff with no problems since. Very pleased to not have to deal with it any longer...in fact I generally forget that I ever went through that distressing time. Rat poison is a bummer!

Afib

Nappo - 9-17-2013 at 08:26 PM

After 20-30 years of Afib, finally got the approval for Ablation. Never had a missed beat in the 3 years since! I had to push Kaiser to have it done. They wanted to increase my drugs... Cardioversion is not the answer. They can paddle you and you can be driving home and Afib will kick in again. Push your doctors for Cath ablation!

EnsenadaDr - 9-17-2013 at 09:14 PM

I've seen both work...
Quote:
Originally posted by Nappo
After 20-30 years of Afib, finally got the approval for Ablation. Never had a missed beat in the 3 years since! I had to push Kaiser to have it done. They wanted to increase my drugs... Cardioversion is not the answer. They can paddle you and you can be driving home and Afib will kick in again. Push your doctors for Cath ablation!

EnsenadaDr - 9-17-2013 at 09:17 PM

Let me tell you. I assisted in several eye surgeries at the Military Hospital in Ensenada. Because the surgery tends to affect the vagal nerve, I have seen almost every patient go into a slow heart beat in which the patient requires atropine from the Anesthesiologist. If they aren't on it, the patient can code.
Quote:
Originally posted by Tod
Turning 60 soon. I had a outpatient surgery for my 'surfers eye' 6 years ago. For some reason I had a bad reaction (could be the same stress I always feel with medical issues) and ended up coding. They performed CPR immediately. I came back slowly, like a long tunnel. I could hear everyone and when Ied finally open my eyes there was a beautiful and dedicated nurse on top of me giving me CPR. I told them they were overreacting and they responded by throwing me in an ambulance. The ER doc's (cowboys) performed a cardioversion...worked for a few minutes. Spent three days in the hospital with another cardioversion that did not work. Over the next year I did the rat poison and sotolol. That was no fun. Due to the drugs the nurses had trouble finding my heartbeat for BP readings. My heart doc at the time performed one more cardioversion which worked for a while but did not stick.s Eventually I was referred to an A-Fib specialist. After several times of wearing a portable EKG they suggested I do a catheter ablation. Pretty cool procedure....done robotically. That was 5 years ago and I have been good since. Surf hard, dive, climb.....all that good stuff with no problems since. Very pleased to not have to deal with it any longer...in fact I generally forget that I ever went through that distressing time. Rat poison is a bummer!

redmesa - 9-17-2013 at 09:32 PM

What I know now is...blood thinners are not a bad thing as drugs go. They are still doing research groups with heart ablations and drugbtreatment. No robot for my husband 2 ablations done 5 hours each with 2 cardiologist and nurses in a very cold room wearing lead aprons. Cardiogists are coming from around the world to intern with dr. Novak in victoria. The medical team was amazing. I was honored to meet them.

After Bite

EdZeranski - 9-18-2013 at 09:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by shari
wput scotch tape on it and it DID relieve the terrible itch! still itched 2 days later.


We carry "After Bite" sticks with us in the vehicles and day packs. Rite Aid has After Bite for about $2.50 each. They look like a marking pen with ammonia being the chief active part. Works great on ant bites, bee stings etc. "Sting EZE" is another using phenol and benzocaine. Out in Borrego we get a lot of the large Mexican wood scorpions and several smaller varieties but so far we've seen them first.

EdZ KG6UTS

missed a beat...or two

EdZeranski - 9-18-2013 at 09:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Nappo
After 20-30 years of Afib, finally got the approval for Ablation.


For years when I had work related physicals they would mention "You have a bit of arythmia (sp?)" but nothing more about it. So, didn't think much of it. One day I came home from the post office, felt light headed, than sat on the floor before I fell there. Next thing I knew I was in the hospital with enough tubes to be an oil refinery. I guess the part that controls heart rate can go haywire, way fast or way slow cutting off blood flow to the think box. Anyway, three and a half days hospital time then aspirin and metoprolol ... no probs since 2010. I was 64 when it happened.

EdZ

DavidE - 9-18-2013 at 11:26 AM

It is up to the patient to convince his doctor (kiss their ass if necessary) to issue an Rx undergo a full heart inspection protocol. Chemical stress test, nuclear medicine confirmation that no part of the heart muscle has been deprived of oxygen. A sonogram inspection of the heart. Proof. Not assumption, guesswork, or No Bad Days ridiculous self deception. These tests WORK and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

Afib is a MISFIRE, a misconduction of a nerve impulse signal. It is not CAUSED by a lifestyle. Sorry Charlita, an overwhelmingly high percentage of my relatives and forefathers suffered from Afib and not one, and we're talking maybe eighty or so people demised due to a cardiac event. ZERO. My cholesterol LDL is a little high in RELATIONSHIP to the HDL but the taking of a liver abusing drug to try and satisfy a nerd lab technician report ain't in the cards.

DRUGS ARE DANGEROUS to liver and kidneys. What does it take to convince a Mother Fletcher's Do It Yourself Chemistry Set Rx'ing doctor, otherwise? I would love to print up a hundred fluorescent stickers written in reverse that I can plaster on one of these "licensed" chemical Rx writing psychopaths that reads

RENAL & HEPATIC BENEFIT RISK RATIO
THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE

The idiocy I see in conventional medicine is discouraging. Got Afib? They won't include electrolytes in the labs request. But they'll probably insist on one hell of a dangerous drug AMIODARONE*. An MD who does not bother to ask a patient about their frequency and duration of afib events and off the cuff Rx's Coumadin, is a quack. You can bet your exhaust pipe this DM did not bother studying or even ordering a blood coagulation lab sample.

*Which is a freakin' genuine miracle drug to treat afib.

I had an IDIOT of a cardiologist Rx a maintenance 200mg BID Amiodarone protocol for me. I took the slip of paper and consulted with a (IMHO) talented Internal Medicine MD. "He's an idiot!" I shouted. "I agree he replied". He looked at me and remarked "Why do I always get the impression I am dealing with a fellow medical doctor when we meet?" I saw another cardiologist. That's when I discovered an electrolytes imbalance and shortage was causing 99.99% of my afib events, even though appropriate medications like Metopralol ER and Verapamil ER were being used. This is the same MD who suggested standard release same medications were causing a "ringing" effect in BP and pulse.

I know enough medicine to know when a lunatic is trying to push the equivalent of "Your Muffler Bearing Need Changing" on me.

What were the other two Norman Bates Grade Events that convinced me to be paranoid: Oh yeah, the inappropriate Rx of Isosorbide Mononitrate for treating anemia which was somehow overlooked in those 500 hundred dollar lab tests. All twenty three of them. Or the MD who called me and said "You have kidney failure". Three weeks of agonized waiting and a hundred mile trip to a necrologist who took one look at me me and said (no kidding) "WTF. If you have kidney failure I'm a man from mars!" Ya wanna know what the "Doc" said when I confronted her a few days later "Oops. When I was reviewing your labs my finger must have slipped down a line". Yeah, I did it. I went to a Stationery Store and bought a flat plate of white plastic. I returned to the clinic barged into her office and slapped the plate down on her desk blotter. "This is what you use when when tracing across lab reports!" I thundered. "Your finger is what you use when tracing down the page of a TV guide to find your favorite soap opera!" I stomped out of the facility to muted applause.

EnsenadaDr - 9-18-2013 at 11:35 AM

Nobody's perfect, David. Even Doctors. That is why it behooves the patient to know as much as he can about his condition. Any doctor who thinks they know more than a patient what works for him or her with a long standing ailment or illness needs to bring himself down a notch.
Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE
It is up to the patient to convince his doctor (kiss their burro if necessary) to issue an Rx undergo a full heart inspection protocol. Chemical stress test, nuclear medicine confirmation that no part of the heart muscle has been deprived of oxygen. A sonogram inspection of the heart. Proof. Not assumption, guesswork, or No Bad Days ridiculous self deception. These tests WORK and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

Afib is a MISFIRE, a misconduction of a nerve impulse signal. It is not CAUSED by a lifestyle. Sorry Charlita, an overwhelmingly high percentage of my relatives and forefathers suffered from Afib and not one, and we're talking maybe eighty or so people demised due to a cardiac event. ZERO. My cholesterol LDL is a little high in RELATIONSHIP to the HDL but the taking of a liver abusing drug to try and satisfy a nerd lab technician report ain't in the cards.

DRUGS ARE DANGEROUS to liver and kidneys. What does it take to convince a Mother Fletcher's Do It Yourself Chemistry Set Rx'ing doctor, otherwise? I would love to print up a hundred fluorescent stickers written in reverse that I can plaster on one of these "licensed" chemical Rx writing psychopaths that reads

RENAL & HEPATIC BENEFIT RISK RATIO
THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE

The idiocy I see in conventional medicine is discouraging. Got Afib? They won't include electrolytes in the labs request. But they'll probably insist on one hell of a dangerous drug AMIODARONE*. An MD who does not bother to ask a patient about their frequency and duration of afib events and off the cuff Rx's Coumadin, is a quack. You can bet your exhaust pipe this DM did not bother studying or even ordering a blood coagulation lab sample.

*Which is a freakin' genuine miracle drug to treat afib.

I had an IDIOT of a cardiologist Rx a maintenance 200mg BID Amiodarone protocol for me. I took the slip of paper and consulted with a (IMHO) talented Internal Medicine MD. "He's an idiot!" I shouted. "I agree he replied". He looked at me and remarked "Why do I always get the impression I am dealing with a fellow medical doctor when we meet?" I saw another cardiologist. That's when I discovered an electrolytes imbalance and shortage was causing 99.99% of my afib events, even though appropriate medications like Metopralol ER and Verapamil ER were being used. This is the same MD who suggested standard release same medications were causing a "ringing" effect in BP and pulse.

I know enough medicine to know when a lunatic is trying to push the equivalent of "Your Muffler Bearing Need Changing" on me.

What were the other two Norman Bates Grade Events that convinced me to be paranoid: Oh yeah, the inappropriate Rx of Isosorbide Mononitrate for treating anemia which was somehow overlooked in those 500 hundred dollar lab tests. All twenty three of them. Or the MD who called me and said "You have kidney failure". Three weeks of agonized waiting and a hundred mile trip to a necrologist who took one look at me me and said (no kidding) "WTF. If you have kidney failure I'm a man from mars!" Ya wanna know what the "Doc" said when I confronted her a few days later "Oops. When I was reviewing your labs my finger must have slipped down a line". Yeah, I did it. I went to a Stationery Store and bought a flat plate of white plastic. I returned to the clinic barged into her office and slapped the plate down on her desk blotter. "This is what you use when when tracing across lab reports!" I thundered. "Your finger is what you use when tracing down the page of a TV guide to find your favorite soap opera!" I stomped out of the facility to muted applause.

BajaBlanca - 9-18-2013 at 01:45 PM

Well, how timely. We were just in san diego for Les's ablation. Second one. It was 2 hours this time and 6 hours the first time. He is fine and hopefully this is the last one!

Cardio versions did not work.

There is a new medication now instead of a blood thinner: prodaxa

DavidE - 9-18-2013 at 02:01 PM

Only a GOOD doctor could ever bring themselves to admit what you just said. A giant Saludos and Abrazos Ensenada Dr.

And good news about Les, Blanca! IMHO the less medicines the better. In the end, my kidneys may get me and it will happen because of all the medicines I was forced to swallow. I hope I do not encounter a real dumb---- on my next trip north. I have to try and convince them that opioids are the path of least harm in managing my disc pain. I feel the Tramadol AND the NSAIDS AND acetaminophen are stupid management, and I am too mean too get addicted. The last two doctors were astonished I could manage and control oxycodone and oral morphine. For many months at a time. I remember Dr. DeCastro shaking his head as he counted the pills (to verify. I was Rx'd 240 oxycodone and 90 oral morphine per Rx) and saying "You're one in a million". Not really. I just HATE the fuzzy headed feeling narcotics give me, and hate the constipation even worse. Give you a nickel for a new spine and ablation. The only gosh darnn pills I want to take are Vitamin C and Ginko Biloba so I can remember my name.

Polish medication...

EdZeranski - 9-18-2013 at 06:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaBlanca
Well, how timely. We were just in san diego for Les's ablation. Second one. It was 2 hours this time and 6 hours the first time. He is fine and hopefully this is the last one!

Cardio versions did not work.

There is a new medication now instead of a blood thinner: prodaxa


Blanca,
Its 100 proof Vodka, kielbasa , piva, and a piece of home made black bread...polish first aid kit ~8^) Glad he is doing fine!!

Will be South in October unless the weather or calendar catch us.

EdZ

CortezBlue - 9-18-2013 at 09:18 PM

I got bit, you know where, so I went to the doctor.

I asked him, "can you take out the sting and keep the swell?":yes: