BajaNomad - Guadalupe Canyon

Guadalupe Canyon

Steve&Debby - 9-29-2013 at 11:45 AM

I am looking for maps or GPS readings to go from San Felipe to Guadalupe Canyon. How long does it take to get there from San Felipe

David K - 9-29-2013 at 05:32 PM

They are in my Viva Baja GPS web page. Make sure you convert the map datum of the list (NAD27) to WGS84 as you enter the numbers...

It will be faster to go around on the highways to the top of Laguna Salada however... The SCORE road across from the sand dunes on Hwy. 5 to Cohabuzo Jcn. is very rough and deep silt the west section from the lower Laguna Salada area.

http://www.vivabaja.com/GPS/

This is from north to south (and west to east):

Map Datum NAD27 Mexico:

Guadalupe Canyon Entrance: 32°09.40'/ 115°47.29'
Cohabuzo Jcn: 31°55.74'/ 115°36.22'
Ej. Saldana Road (S): 31°50.12'/ 115°19.47'
Hwy. 5 & Ej. Saldana Jcn: 31°51.75'/ 115°10.92'

Note: the new widening of Hwy 5 has altered the junction to Ejido Saldaña

[Edited on 9-30-2013 by David K]

Ken Cooke - 9-29-2013 at 09:22 PM

<Thread Hijack> Is Guadalupe Canyon open for business? I'd like to bring my 4WD group there in November.

David K - 9-29-2013 at 09:35 PM

Following other reports, Arturo's (the nice campo with privacy, we all have camped at) remains without hot water (which was shut off as the source spring is above Arturo's part of the canyon... forcing people who seek hot water in their camps, to camp at his 'brother's family' camp sites above or across the canyon from Arturo's.

Would love any fresh reports, naturally... one posted recently with a nice You Tube video showed the canyon deserted!!?? :wow:

Ken Cooke - 9-29-2013 at 09:38 PM

I'm willing to check it out on the November Pole Line Run before we camp out that evening in Cohabuzo Junction.

BeemerDan - 9-30-2013 at 12:40 PM

According to their facebook page they opened Sept 20th.
I'm thinking of riding out there when I cross at Calexico around Oct 10th

David K - 9-30-2013 at 01:55 PM

Their FB page, being which campo?

Here is the original web page: http://www.guadalupe-canyon.com/ (no longer for Arturo's reservations)

Here are some of our past Guadalupe Canyon Hot Springs trips (to Arturo's Campo #1) before his family shut him down (to try and get his customers)
These are either my photo web sites for a trip or my posts on Nomad. Some of the Nomad older posts have no photos, any more... Doug says they will be back, some day:

Oct. 2008: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=35050
Jan. 2008: http://vivabaja.com/108
Sept. 2006: http://vivabaja.com/906
Nov. 2005: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=14020
Apr. 2005: http://vivabaja.com/405
Mar. 2004: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=8411
Jun. 2003: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=8494
Nov. 2001: http://www.vivabaja.com/bbbb2

BeemerDan - 9-30-2013 at 06:37 PM

David,
I'm still a newb to Baja, and don't know all the places, but found this on FB awhile back.
www.facebook.com/guadalupe.canyon
I have no idea, but thought it was the same place you were talking about :?:

David K - 9-30-2013 at 07:28 PM

Hi Dan, thank you... there are 3 (at least) campos in the canyon, and each campo has many camp sites. I thought you already looked at the site and may have known which it was for. No worries.

The campo we always went to was Arturo's... the original campo there and the only one with true private campsites and hot tubs built in the boulders... It was an epic place and not going to be easy to duplicate. The hot spring is above/ outside of Arturo's section so the family simply shut off the pipe that went from the spring to Arturo's campo.

David K - 10-2-2013 at 12:07 AM

Please give us a trip report and photos to see what the other campos look like now... we miss the place... been 5 years almost!

BAJACAT - 10-5-2013 at 01:52 PM

I will be going at the end of this month..Has been 7 yrs for me,I want to go back...I will stay at los Manantiales..

DavidE - 10-5-2013 at 02:53 PM

A really pretty area. I enjoyed it, but I think Gerald Ford was president then.

BAJACAT - 10-6-2013 at 09:48 PM

David,did you see Ernestos website, shows that he has 5 of Arturos camps for rent,El Castillo, El Dorado,El Sol,El Mirador and my favorite San Marcos,but they are not cheap..

David K - 10-7-2013 at 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BAJACAT
David,did you see Ernestos website, shows that he has 5 of Arturos camps for rent,El Castillo, El Dorado,El Sol,El Mirador and my favorite San Marcos,but they are not cheap..

Give me a link please... edit: found the site, and I see they have Arturo's map but call it Don Jose's Campo 1 now? Also, in the reservation list are only a couple of Campo 1 sites listed... ?) http://guadalupecanyonoasis.com/

Maybe Arturo died or just moved to Mexicali to live out his remaining years in poverty? I am not real anxious to support any family member of his that would do such a thing... Maybe I will email Canyonman Rob (Arturo's son-in-law) for the low down?

[Edited on 10-7-2013 by David K]

BAJACAT - 10-7-2013 at 08:02 PM

David I got and e-mail from ernesto, he tells me he owns those 5 camp sites now.And you can rent them from him..

PS. go to maps it shows all the hot tubs...

[Edited on 10-8-2013 by BAJACAT]

David K - 10-7-2013 at 10:23 PM

So what happened to Arturo, and his rights? Sick and forced away, or dead???

It was Arturo's camp that brought tourists and money there... after lots of hard work by his son-in-law Canyonman Rob, tub builder John Nelson, Hotschott and others.

Jealous relatives hopped on the wagon and developed other parts of the canyon... and when Arturo's kept getting the most business (because it is way nicer), the brother, nephew, cousin (?) turned off the water (the source spring is just outside of Arturo's section of the canyon.

I have asked some questions and will report back if there are any answers from the Loya Family sent to me.

BAJACAT - 10-9-2013 at 06:19 PM

I guess I will find out in my next visit.

David K - 10-9-2013 at 06:28 PM

Thanks José! I wish we could go to... Do you want to see the petroglyphs at La Vibora Canyon, a few miles south?

PHOTOS: http://vivabaja.com/108/

Guadalupe Canyon to La Vibora Canyon (8 miles)

0.0 Arturo's Camp, La Paloma & La Jolla road
2.2 Take right fork. Left is main road back to highway
2.8 Turn sharp right onto track heading south
7.5 Take road to right that drops steeply into arroyo
8.0 End of road, park for petroglyph and metate hike
GPS at end of road: 32°06.733', 115°44.612' (map datum NAD27 Mexico)
Allow 3 hours for the drive and hike.

edited to fix typo, thank you MMc

[Edited on 10-10-2013 by David K]

MMc - 10-9-2013 at 07:18 PM

Your need to shine is more important then saving Baja historical sites? That is amazing.
None of the comments on this thread had any long tern impact?
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=36856&pag...
Send the turn by turn and GPS points via U2U.

Pertoglyphs is Petroglyphs

David K - 10-10-2013 at 08:20 AM

People seeing and photographing these sites IS preserving them. Once the idiots deface them or nature erases them, then they are gone.

It is peoples photographs of historic sites that preserves them... and fyi, that web page and GPS list has been posted on the Internet since Jan. 2008. So, it is not new news.

It is the unknown places that aren't saved on photos that risk being lost forever. The pertos and pictos were made by people, for people, and people should see them.

willardguy - 10-10-2013 at 09:30 AM

MMc is right david, you ruin everything! now you've gone and posted a map of las pocitas! now everyone is gonna want to go there and it-will-be-lost-forever! :lol:

only on baja nomads....... :rolleyes:

Barry A. - 10-10-2013 at 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MMc
Your need to shine is more important then saving Baja historical sites? That is amazing.
None of the comments on this thread had any long tern impact?
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=36856&pag...
Send the turn by turn and GPS points via U2U.

Hmmmmm, lets see if I have this right-------------helping people to see and enjoy all that Baja CA has to offer is somehow a "need to shine"----------?????????

Righttttttttttt!!! :rolleyes:

Sorry, that does not logically track with me.

Barry

David K - 10-10-2013 at 09:50 PM

I wonder why some here think that those who are reading Baja Nomad are bad people who would do any harm to Baja's treasures?

I believe and have only met Nomads who are in love with Baja and want to enjoy, share and thus preserve the sites so more people can enjoy, learn, discover more.

Unseen, unappreciated, unvisited, 'unvalued' does no good and will lead to them being lost... The link in MMc reply above is to a thread I started in 2009 on some of the sites you can drive to, or very close to... I hope (and I know) it inspires MORE NOMADS and BAJA LOVING people to visit them BEFORE some idiot from the city (who never reads this site) spray paints over it. Nature will also erase sites... a landslide covered a site near El Marmol and a flash flood did in one on the road to San Javier from Loreto. Thank Goodness some of us have photographed them and shared the photos for everyone to enjoy, learn, appreciate, get inspired, want to go to Baja, etc.!

[Edited on 10-11-2013 by David K]

paranewbi - 10-11-2013 at 04:39 AM

I use to have a heart for Arturo and Rob as my family made it a yearly trek to their El Castillo site (and the private shack behind it) to secure the entire upper area beyond the 'store'. We would bring 3 generations of our family there for a weekend usually numbering around 20+ respectful members. Often leaving the camp area better than we found it...including cleaning the algae growth out of the small 'pool'.
Last time we reserved the area for a weekend, and 3 days prior to our scheduled arrival, Rob sent me a text notifying me that they had decided to give it to 'family members' who wanted to use it for that weekend! I protested and he offered another area that had a 2 person hot tub but plenty of dirt area for our use!
I said no thanks and that if this is how they did business...then good riddance.
For my family it was disturbing that all we had planned for months and arraigned with getting us down there, i.e. time off work, securing care for pets at home, logistics of food, camping gear (ok I'm sure you get the idea if you've ever camped with 20+ family members).
We would never feel secure in doing this again with Arturo and Rob and a family tradition came to an end. For me...If this happened to us, I would tend to think it has happened to others before and maybe after. No sympathy here for anyone at that canyon...they deserve each other and maybe earned the karma.
Oh yes...thankfully we have 'pictures' to preserve our family memories as I guess as I was "inspired to preserve them" before some idiots ruined it for their own selfish desires.

DianaT - 10-11-2013 at 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K

I believe and have only met Nomads who are in love with Baja and want to enjoy, share and thus preserve the sites so more people can enjoy, learn, discover more.

Yes indeed. What is it now, 8000+ listed members and who knows how many lurkers? But all the information is safe with Nomads. :lol:

[Edited on 10-11-2013 by DianaT]

David K - 10-11-2013 at 08:18 AM

paranewbi: I don't blame you a bit... it is the site and the people who designed and built the tubs/ camps there at Arturo's that made it special and not the management. To shut off the water and force an old man and his cancer-sick wife out was pretty low, and that is my beef with Ernesto. We rarely saw Arturo more than a greeting and our camp (La Jolla B) was always pretty clean when we arrived. I know others have arrived and found trash (pretty sad when there were plenty of trash cans around).

Diana T: I believe people are mostly good and we don't punish everyone for the exception. Again, what value is a man made form of art (pertos & pictos) if nobody sees them? Let's all (who wants to) see them in person or in photos before they are gone forever.

David K - 10-15-2013 at 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K

Quote:

Received a reply from Rob...

Ernesto bought Arturo's Camp. Arturo is still alive and still drives his truck. Ernesto has opened up some of Arturo's camp/ tub sites, but not all. Canyonman Rob has not been there in four years.
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I believe that Ernesto now has all the camps in the canyon. I hope it can once again be the special place it was for so many years.

David K - 10-21-2013 at 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BAJACAT
I will be going at the end of this month..Has been 7 yrs for me,I want to go back...I will stay at los Manantiales..

Looking forward to your report José!

wocketpatch - 12-5-2013 at 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K

Quote:

Originally posted by BAJACAT
I will be going at the end of this month..Has been 7 yrs for me,I want to go back...I will stay at los Manantiales..

Looking forward to your report José!

So how was it? I'll be there in about a month, hoping for decent weather..

Ken Cooke - 12-5-2013 at 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by paranewbi
I use to have a heart for Arturo and Rob as my family made it a yearly trek to their El Castillo site (and the private shack behind it) to secure the entire upper area beyond the 'store'. We would bring 3 generations of our family there for a weekend usually numbering around 20+ respectful members. Often leaving the camp area better than we found it...including cleaning the algae growth out of the small 'pool'.
Last time we reserved the area for a weekend, and 3 days prior to our scheduled arrival, Rob sent me a text notifying me that they had decided to give it to 'family members' who wanted to use it for that weekend! I protested and he offered another area that had a 2 person hot tub but plenty of dirt area for our use!
I said no thanks and that if this is how they did business...then good riddance.
For my family it was disturbing that all we had planned for months and arraigned with getting us down there, i.e. time off work, securing care for pets at home, logistics of food, camping gear (ok I'm sure you get the idea if you've ever camped with 20+ family members).
We would never feel secure in doing this again with Arturo and Rob and a family tradition came to an end. For me...If this happened to us, I would tend to think it has happened to others before and maybe after. No sympathy here for anyone at that canyon...they deserve each other and maybe earned the karma.
Oh yes...thankfully we have 'pictures' to preserve our family memories as I guess as I was "inspired to preserve them" before some idiots ruined it for their own selfish desires.

24 miles further down the road is Palomar Canyon. Best part of all, the water there is $Free$. :bounce:

David K - 12-6-2013 at 08:15 AM

Could you bath in it?

Neal Johns - 12-6-2013 at 12:03 PM

DK, Not with spending a lot of time cleaning it up, it gets few visitors to keep it maintained.
Hot tip: Bring a long hose (100 feet? can't remember) to pipe the water to the nice tub over the edge of the "parking lot" at the end of the road.
Neal

David K - 12-6-2013 at 12:16 PM

Thanks Neal... I would like to hear from Ken if last month he or the other Jeepers were able to fill the tub and enjoy a bath. If not, would a 100ft. garden or poly hose be all that is needed to siphon water to the tub from the source spring? A gallon zip-lock baggie half filled with sand can be used as a drain stopper for the bottom of the tub if there is no valve on the drain pipe.

Ken Cooke - 12-6-2013 at 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
Could you bath in it?

I did a few weeks ago.