BajaNomad - California Condor hunted

California Condor hunted

Ken Cooke - 10-1-2013 at 07:07 PM

Posted today on Facebook: Mata un cóndor y lo exhibe como trofeo, se investiga su lugar de origen e identidad, repudio generalizado.

[Edited on 10-2-2013 by Ken Cooke]

Mexitron - 10-1-2013 at 07:40 PM

WTF? For real? What a marooon.

Ateo - 10-1-2013 at 07:45 PM

Where did you get this photo Ken?

[Edited on 10-2-2013 by Ateo]

mtgoat666 - 10-1-2013 at 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Posted today on Facebook: Mata un cóndor y lo exhibe como trofeo, se investiga su lugar de origen e identidad, repudio generalizado.

Link?

What a horrible crime! Death penalty is to kind for that marooonn

Mexitron - 10-1-2013 at 07:47 PM

What FB page? Please send the link to the San Diego Zoo/Wild Animal Park and let them know what this guy did---a lot of time and effort has been spent to keep these birds flying.

BajaLuna - 10-1-2013 at 07:50 PM

so wrong and so very sad.

Mistaken identity?

mtgoat666 - 10-1-2013 at 07:54 PM

I don't think that is a ca condor, has no tags, and has white feathers on neck.

Ken, Perhaps you found this pic in South America?

Mexitron - 10-1-2013 at 07:56 PM

mtgoat---come to think of it the terrain looks more like the Andes than Baja---still sad though if he killed it.

Ateo - 10-1-2013 at 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
I don't think that is a ca condor, has no tags, and has white feathers on neck.

Ken, Perhaps you found this pic in South America?

Critical thinking. No tags. Hopefully this wasn't a Cal Condor in San Pedro Martir.

dtbushpilot - 10-1-2013 at 08:07 PM

Just in time for Thanksgiving dinner :lol:

DianaT - 10-1-2013 at 08:22 PM

Even if it is the Andes, who would want to kill such a beautiful creature for fun. Sick!

Ken Cooke - 10-1-2013 at 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by Mexitron
What FB page? Please send the link to the San Diego Zoo/Wild Animal Park and let them know what this guy did---a lot of time and effort has been spent to keep these birds flying.

I am trying to track down the original poster of this link, but its impossible since anyone can share almost anything on Facebook.

Ken Cooke - 10-1-2013 at 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
I don't think that is a ca condor, has no tags, and has white feathers on neck.

Ken, Perhaps you found this pic in South America?

This might be an Ecuadoran Condor:
http://www.abritinecuador.com/2013/05/02/assasination-of-a-c...

Bajaboy - 10-1-2013 at 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke

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I am trying to track down the original poster of this link, but its impossible since anyone can share almost anything on Facebook.

Did the post say anything about SPM or did you just jump to conclusions :?:

Ken Cooke - 10-1-2013 at 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy

Did the post say anything about SPM or did you just jump to conclusions :?:

The link came from Facebook users in Mexico.

bajaguy - 10-1-2013 at 09:01 PM

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Hackers-Deface-Ecuador-Govern...

David K - 10-1-2013 at 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy

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Originally posted by Ken Cooke

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I am trying to track down the original poster of this link, but its impossible since anyone can share almost anything on Facebook.

Did the post say anything about SPM or did you just jump to conclusions :?:

So Ken, why would you ever think it was a California Condor? They put tags on those birds big enough to read at 10,000 feet away!

BajaNomad - 10-2-2013 at 10:57 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andean_Condor

bajabuddha - 10-2-2013 at 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Just in time for Thanksgiving dinner :lol:

I hear they taste like chicken... unfortunately the TURKEY is the one holding it. :barf:

BigOly - 10-2-2013 at 02:29 PM

Everyone knows I'm a birder. I'm a bird counter and I (along with other counters) estimate the bird counts for Baja Sur are down as much as 50% in the last two years. My counts for the Oregon Coast are down as much as 80% this year. Now, the Oregon Fish & Wildlife has issued close to 400 permits to kill Barred Owls in an "experiment" to see if this killing helps the Spotted Owl population. It's hard even for me to tell the two apart, they look so similar and now shotgunners are gonna be turned lose on what ever looks like a Barred Owl.
The Condor, tagged or not, north or south, what a man. Having a riffle that probably shoots a mile or something like that. Bird slowly soaring and bang, bang he's dead,dead. Makes me sick!

[Edited on 10-2-2013 by BigOly]

David K - 10-2-2013 at 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by BigOly
Everyone knows I'm a birder. I'm a bird counter and I (along with other counters) estimate the bird counts for Baja Sur are down as much as 50% in the last two years. My counts for the Oregon Coast are down as much as 80% this year. Now, the Oregon Fish & Wildlife has issued close to 400 permits to kill Barred Owls in an "experiment" to see if this killing helps the Spotted Owl population. It's hard even for me to tell the two apart, they look so similar and now shotgunners are gonna be turned lose on what ever looks like a Barred Owl.
The Condor, tagged or not, north or south, what a man. Having a riffle that probably shoots a mile or something like that. Bird slowly soaring and bang, bang he's dead,dead. Makes me sick!

[Edited on 10-2-2013 by BigOly]

This 1895 illustration of a condor hunting party probably doesn't look like fun to you (or anyone in this age). Yet, the species thrives in South America.

Thanks Doug for the Wiki link!

DianaT - 10-2-2013 at 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by David K

This 1895 illustration of a condor hunting party probably doesn't look like fun to you (or anyone in this age). Yet, the species thrives in South America.

Thrives? "The IUCN lists Andean condors as near threatened."

http://www.wcs.org/saving-wildlife/birds/andean-condor.aspx

BigOly --- I don't remember where, but I have read that pet house cats that are allowed outside are responsible for a great reduction in the bird population, especially song birds. What do you know about this? True, not true, maybe, or what. On edit, I found one of the articles Cats and Songbirds What do you think?

And yes the shooting of a condor with a high powered rifle from a long distance is really sick, but then again, I think that most hunting for sport is rather sick. I have never understood how shooting Bambi with a high powered rifle with a major scope that allows the killer to be a very long distance away and then watching that beautiful animal collapse is sporting. I guess somehow it makes the killer feel good. JMHO

[Edited on 10-2-2013 by DianaT]

David K - 10-2-2013 at 04:48 PM

Near threatened? Is that like when a jet has a near miss?

BigOly - 10-2-2013 at 05:09 PM

I birded the Andies. We saw Condors, maybe 2 or 3. Very hard for us to find. Diana, It's estimated 300 million to 1 billion birds are killed by window strikes every year. Cats? Don't get me started... out of respect for neighbors and animals, our 12 year old cat lives indoors. She's fine. We used to have all sorts of critters living around our casa in LB. Neighbors moved in, cats run loose, no more little critters. Cats don't know any better than to hunt, that's not their fault. Oh, shut up. (me)

David K - 10-2-2013 at 05:14 PM

How about Colonel Sanders? He must be on a big hate list for the number of birds he had killed to feed us!

Seriously, birds are magnificent to see and you have great photos of them! I will only eat those that taste like chicken (or turkey)!

durrelllrobert - 10-2-2013 at 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by BigOly
I birded the Andies. We saw Condors, maybe 2 or 3. Very hard for us to find. Diana, It's estimated 300 million to 1 billion birds are killed by window strikes every year. Cats? Don't get me started... out of respect for neighbors and animals, our 12 year old cat lives indoors. She's fine. We used to have all sorts of critters living around our casa in LB. Neighbors moved in, cats run loose, no more little critters. Cats don't know any better than to hunt, that's not their fault. Oh, shut up. (me)

mtgoat666 - 10-2-2013 at 08:40 PM

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Here in San Diego cats are good at controlling rabbits and gophers, I thank the cats for their service. Luckily the cats are only skilled at hunting small mammals and not very good at bird hunting.

Bajaboy - 10-2-2013 at 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Here in San Diego cats are good at controlling rabbits and gophers, I thank the cats for their service. Luckily the cats are only skilled at hunting small mammals and not very good at bird hunting.

Here in San Diego, the coyotes are great at controlling outdoor cats in our neighborhood :spingrin:

bajabuddha - 10-2-2013 at 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by David K

This 1895 illustration of a condor hunting party probably doesn't look like fun to you (or anyone in this age). Yet, the species thrives in South America.

Thrives? "The IUCN lists Andean condors as near threatened."

Diana, not all hunters are thrill seekers. I had my fill of hunting the most dangerous game on earth in '70-'71, and when i came home i hung up my fire-arms for good, or so i thought. I learned how healthy AND how delicious properly taken and cared-for venison could be, and every year i filled my frizzer with the best red meat money couldn't buy, and did it with a high powered rifle with specially loaded rounds to take a kill @ 300 yards and never had to track an animal more than a few hundred feet at MOST since i was 22 years old. Never took a shot i couldn't hit, and never lost a single wounded beast.

Now, i don't mean to start a verbal war, but ''flip-stickin' '', or bow-hunting is a totally different matter. It does emphasize the skill of the hunter, yes. I didn't give a whit about skill; i wanted meat to eat, shed a tear when i took my kill, and revelled in my first bite of heart and onions (my hunting bud would do the liver w/), and cut boneless and trimmed out properly, plus killed INSTANTLY and without running it full of adrenalin, hoo boy, the finest, and healthiest carne in El Mundo, no contest.

The condor hunter in question here is for one thing only, and i think almost everyone on this board would agree: TESTICULAR ENLARGEMENT. Same with all the 'Horn Hunters' out there. I knew a builder in the Durango area who built an addition on a HUGE house in Bayfield (just east of the Durangotans) that was 6,000 sq. ft., two stories tall, and was constructed JUST to house his taxidermied heads/whatever of every animal he'd killed all over the freaking world. Doubt he'd eaten much of each or any, and told he only spent 2 to 6 weeks a year in his 'other house' there in Colorado. Boy howdy, now THERE'S SPORT for ya.

Happy trails, hope i didn't step on too many toes.
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Dunno if this posted correctly, but was meant for the gist of Diana's post on 10-2-2013 at 16:41. Haven't learned to navigate properly here yet, please excuse my naivete and have patience.
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http://www.wcs.org/saving-wildlife/birds/andean-condor.aspx

BigOly --- I don't remember where, but I have read that pet house cats that are allowed outside are responsible for a great reduction in the bird population, especially song birds. What do you know about this? True, not true, maybe, or what. On edit, I found one of the articles Cats and Songbirds What do you think?

And yes the shooting of a condor with a high powered rifle from a long distance is really sick, but then again, I think that most hunting for sport is rather sick. I have never understood how shooting Bambi with a high powered rifle with a major scope that allows the killer to be a very long distance away and then watching that beautiful animal collapse is sporting. I guess somehow it makes the killer feel good. JMHO

[Edited on 10-2-2013 by DianaT]

[Edited on 10-3-2013 by bajabuddha]

DianaT - 10-2-2013 at 10:31 PM

Bajabuddha, you are not stepping on toes. I have friends who hunt and enjoy eating wild game. I have eaten venison and elk and thought they were Okay -- I just know that I could never kill those animals, but that is just me. I like the description of the Condor killer. :yes:

Taco de Baja - 10-3-2013 at 08:25 AM

Has anyone considered this condor died naturally (or died from eating lead or antifreeze like they do in CA) and this guy simply found it and took a picture with him in it to show how big it was? He may have nothing to do with its death.

Ask yourselves this, if you found a dead condor would you take a picture of it? Sure you would. Would you or one of your friends be in the picture for scale? Likely. You may not pick the thing up, but some people are less squeamish about dead things

One of my co-workers had a live CA condor land near his vehicle up in the Angeles National Forest several years ago on one of our company projects. The bird even tried to eat parts off his vehicle. Of course he took pictures; could he be accused of harassing the bird? Maybe. We were able to contact a biologist, and now Old Number 24 resides at the San Diego Wild Animal Park as he is thinks it’s fun to hang around people. Not a good thing.

Buzzard Bagging Brouhaha ?

MrBillM - 10-3-2013 at 10:08 AM

No Big Deal.

They shoot Pheasants, don't they ?

Paraphrasing Cab Calloway:

"A Condor ain't nothing but a Bird".

An UGLY one.

[Edited on 10-3-2013 by MrBillM]

TMW - 10-3-2013 at 12:12 PM

My neighbors cat kills a bird about every other month and leaves it by my back door.

jimgrms - 10-5-2013 at 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by TW
My neighbors cat kills a bird about every other month and leaves it by my back door.

TW its some kind of cat mating ritual

the strut

EdZeranski - 10-5-2013 at 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by BigOly
........ what a man.

[Edited on 10-2-2013 by BigOly]

Yep! That macho thing in the culture we don't want to mention as it is too un-pc. Its an attitude that was even noted in "Two Years Before the Mast". But......we just gave the sacred green wind energy folks clearance to whack eagles and condors too. Sadly its all dead birds, macho a'hole or misguided greenness.

EdZ

Wind Whackers

MrBillM - 10-7-2013 at 10:16 AM

And Collateral Carnage ?

Unlike the Goofy Greenies, I don't have any enthusiasm for Wind Energy BUT, IF one assumes that they DO have their place in the Power scheme, the necessary and inevitable loss of a few Buzzards and other Wild Fowl gone Foul seems a needless and trivial concern.

Maybe we could post warning signs ?

vacaenbaja - 10-7-2013 at 01:42 PM

I have a foggy rememberance of reading that condors or some other
bird of prey were actually going after live animals in their search for food because the government had made the ranchers
get rid of the livestock that would die and lay rotting. This
was their normal food source. I belive it was in some South American country like Bolivia. Anyone else read about this?

David K - 10-7-2013 at 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by vacaenbaja
I have a foggy rememberance of reading that condors or some other
bird of prey were actually going after live animals in their search for food because the government had made the ranchers
get rid of the livestock that would die and lay rotting. This
was their normal food source. I belive it was in some South American country like Bolivia. Anyone else read about this?

Nature is much greater than many humans give credit for! Animals can adapt, move, change diet... Animals that fail to adapt will disappear... Humans carry a lot of guilt, and if they can get funding, will spend billions to try and defeat what Mother Nature does...

Bubba - 10-8-2013 at 01:40 PM

I don't care what type of Condor it is, it's a shame if he actually killed that bird.

mulegemichael - 10-8-2013 at 02:00 PM

bajabuddha...i'm with you regarding the hunting part...no hormones, no chemicals and some of the finest tasting carne on the planet is wild game when properly harvested and processed....i tell people when the criticize me for hunting that "i'm taking the responsibility for killing the meat i eat"...i once had a chance back when i got out of the military to go to work in a slaughterhouse...i went in at 8am and was gone by 8:30....they had handed my a sledgehammer and said, "stand up there and whack em between the eyes when they walk through"....nope!..couldn't do it...but i DO hunt and i think it's my right and a slice of my heritage.

DianaT - 10-8-2013 at 03:04 PM

At the request of a lurker and friend, I am posting this.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=u09ye&s=5#.UlR6Q1BtjOsCondor Died

And while the source of this information was not told to me, I have a pretty good idea where it came from. :biggrin:

It appears that a bit more research as to what happened should have been done before posting this?? It is really good news to see that this magnificent bird died of natural causes, if this information is accurate and I hope it is, but may not be. I certainly cannot verify it either way.

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Originally posted by David K

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From what I have read, condors and other vultures will at times east live prey, but only the really sick and weak ones and only when absolutely necessary. And they are not very good at it. They do not have the sharp talons that birds of prey have.

And yes, DK, if an animal cannot adapt the change, they will disappear, and that process has been greatly increased by man. Except how does an animal like a Rhino or Elephant adapt to being wiped out by poachers? Or remember when we almost killed off all the falcons? Yes they adapted and came back, but only after humans changed their behavior. In your line of thinking, I guess they should have not saved the last of the condors in California as they were soon to be gone.

And it will probably happen to man someday because of the changes our lifestyles are causing the earth. We are an animal who is working on destroying our necessary environment. We are not a superior animal, we only think we are so we think we don't need to follow the rules of nature.

You like to say that nature can heal and take care of itself, and I agree, but when people are involved, it is ONLY after people change their behavior. Burning rivers and dead lakes can be brought back to life by nature, but ONLY after man changes his behavior. An old road will be claimed by nature, but only after man no longer drives on it.

Some care about the other animals with whom we share this planet, and some don't give a rip.

As far as hunting goes? We certainly are not the only animal that hunts for food. But with humans, there is a difference between someone who hunts for food to eat as do other animals, and someone who hunts just fun of killing and then calls it a sport.

bajabuddha - 10-8-2013 at 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
bajabuddha...i'm with you regarding the hunting part...no hormones, no chemicals and some of the finest tasting carne on the planet is wild game when properly harvested and processed....i tell people when the criticize me for hunting that "i'm taking the responsibility for killing the meat i eat"...i once had a chance back when i got out of the military to go to work in a slaughterhouse...i went in at 8am and was gone by 8:30....they had handed my a sledgehammer and said, "stand up there and whack em between the eyes when they walk through"....nope!..couldn't do it...but i DO hunt and i think it's my right and a slice of my heritage.

Yuppers, Michael. Broke my back over 6 years ago so my hunting days are over now, and man, do i ever miss it. Have to settle for fresh fish for the winter now. BTW, love your 'signature'. Remember... DYSLEXICS, UNTIE !

willardguy - 10-8-2013 at 05:02 PM

http://www.abritinecuador.com/2013/05/02/assasination-of-a-c...

DianaT - 10-8-2013 at 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by willardguy
http://www.abritinecuador.com/2013/05/02/assasination-of-a-c...

Thank you for that! I was hoping the other information was accurate. :no:

willardguy - 10-8-2013 at 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by DianaT

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Originally posted by willardguy
http://www.abritinecuador.com/2013/05/02/assasination-of-a-c...

Thank you for that! I was hoping the other information was accurate. :no:

then again who's to say abritinecuador is accurate :?:

tripledigitken - 10-8-2013 at 05:54 PM

The terrain in the above link doesn't match the original photo.

These are two separate incidents, imo.