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Small Plane Carrying at Least 14 Missing Over BAJA

Tbone - 10-14-2013 at 03:49 PM

Small Plane Carrying at Least 14 Missing Over Northern Mexico
MEXICO CITY — A small plane carrying at least 14 people has gone missing in the northern Mexican state of Baja California, emergency services said on Monday, and rough weather from Tropical Storm Octave was hampering search efforts.
The plane, which can seat 20 passengers, disappeared after setting off from Loreto International Airport on Monday morning headed for Ciudad Constitucion, said the head of Baja California Sur emergency services, Carlos Enriquez.
The storm is currently about 85 miles southwest of Cabo San Lazaro on the Baja California peninsula, the U.S. National Hurricane Center said.

Mulegena - 10-14-2013 at 03:54 PM

Sorry to hear this.
Relatives in La Purisima reported it to us today.
Condolences to all who lost their lives and those who loved them.

durrelllrobert - 10-14-2013 at 03:56 PM

I sure hope that there were no Nomads on board and in fact I hope that everyone on board is safe.

CJ - 10-14-2013 at 03:58 PM

Was this an Aero Calafia flight?

rts551 - 10-14-2013 at 03:59 PM

so sorry... but why fly that way today. Sad.

vandenberg - 10-14-2013 at 04:39 PM

never heard of commercial air traffic between Loreto and Ciudad Constitucion.
Hope this comes out well.

bajabuddha - 10-14-2013 at 04:45 PM

It didn't say anyone was dead yet; if there are survivors, they're in for a wet, cold night or two before search efforts can go looking. And yes, i know how steep and rough the Comondus and Gigantes are... it'll be a miracle, but we can still hope.

shari - 10-14-2013 at 04:51 PM

what a tragedy...lots of comments about flying in this bad weather....final destination was Los Mochis. Yet another Aeroservicios Guerrero Negro accident.

http://colectivopericu.net/2013/10/14/salen-militares-a-busc...

BajaBlanca - 10-14-2013 at 05:24 PM

So so sad that they are lost in limbo. If it is the pilot I met that time we got stranded on Isla Cedros because we took off too late from Ensenada and there are no airport lights in GNegro, he was a very experienced pilot. He has been flying since he was in his 20's and he is close to his sixties, easily.

All our landings were great. I told him I qualify a good pilot by how smooth the landing is! Ours were very nice.

55steve - 10-14-2013 at 05:44 PM

Wow, how sad. I flew with ASG on my trip to Cedros last month.

[Edited on 10-15-2013 by 55steve]

Bad news!

bacquito - 10-14-2013 at 07:19 PM

http://blogs.cnnmexico.com/ultimas-noticias/2013/10/14/un-av...

I suspect there are many anxious people awaiting news.

no fly zone

EdZeranski - 10-14-2013 at 07:26 PM

This afternoon I heard the Loreto AP was closed and those waiting for flight were in hotels.

EdZ

mtgoat666 - 10-14-2013 at 08:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by shari
what a tragedy...lots of comments about flying in this bad weather....final destination was Los Mochis. Yet another Aeroservicios Guerrero Negro accident.

http://colectivopericu.net/2013/10/14/salen-militares-a-busc...


"Yet another"? What others ASG planes have crashed?

shari - 10-14-2013 at 08:34 PM

http://colectivopericu.net/2011/06/29/que-investiguen-a-aero...

BajaNomad - 10-14-2013 at 11:59 PM

http://www.debate.com.mx/eldebate/noticias/default.asp?IdArt...

http://www.debate.com.mx/eldebate/noticias/default.asp?IdArt...

[Edited on 10-15-2013 by BajaNomad]

shari - 10-15-2013 at 05:51 AM

http://colectivopericu.net/2013/10/14/aclaran-no-han-encontr...

this article says that the El Debate article is false and absolutely nothing is known about the plane yet...today should bring more news as it's clear enough to look for it.

BajaNomad - 10-15-2013 at 06:12 AM

thx

Gringo translation

durrelllrobert - 10-15-2013 at 06:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bacquito
http://blogs.cnnmexico.com/ultimas-noticias/2013/10/14/un-av...

I suspect there are many anxious people awaiting news.



Published on Monday 14 October 2013






(21:20) The weather conditions caused by tropical storm Octave have not allowed locate the aircraft that took off from the municipality of Loreto, Baja California Sur, said the night of this Monday, the Secretary of Communications and Transport (SCT), in a statement.

The SCT explained that the single-engined Cessna light aircraft 208-B, registration XA-TXM, of the company Aeroservicio Guerrero, had conditions "appropriate" in Loreto, to carry out air operations, just like in Ciudad Constitution, where it would make a scale.

"To fail to reach its destination is the active search protocol. In the aircraft carrying 13 passengers and the pilot", confirmed the Secretariat, which "assists in the search plan".

(20:42) a private plane with 14 people on board disappeared on the morning of this Monday after takeoff in the municipality of Loreto, Baja California Sur, official sources confirmed, according to EFE.

The aircraft, registration XA-TXM, departed shortly after 09:00 hours - local time- and contact was lost with her 25 minutes later, in accordance with aviation authorities of the Secretariat of Communications of Baja California Sur.

According to the sources consulted, the appliance has disappeared from the radar and the cause is unknown, although it cannot be ruled out that he might be the "bad weather" prevailing in the area.

The assistant director of Transport of the Secretariat of Communications and Transport of the federal government, Enrique Avalos, reported that the aircraft belongs to the private company Aeroservicio Guerrero.

Avalos said that the aircraft had enough fuel for two hours of flight and his final destination was Los Mochis, Sinaloa state. Before he would make a City scale in Constitution, about 147 kilometers south-west of Loreto.

Gringo translation

durrelllrobert - 10-15-2013 at 06:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by shari
http://colectivopericu.net/2013/10/14/aclaran-no-han-encontr...

this article says that the El Debate article is false and absolutely nothing is known about the plane yet...today should bring more news as it's clear enough to look for it.







They clarify: THEY HAVE NOT FOUND AIRSHIP(AIRPLANE)!

Published the October 14, 2013 | 24 comments



◾No there is not even visual contact
◾Mañana renudan the search
◾Se it adds also AIR CALAFIA

last 44lth hour La Paz, B.C.S. - The table of REPORTERS' writing(wording) WITHOUT BORDERS in the capital sudcaliforniana denies categorically that there has found damaged the airship(airplane) Cessna Grand Air Caravan of the company Service Warrior, who has been brought(reported) like missing person from today morning.

One is not also in conditions to inform that 14 occupants have died, as THE DEBATE has published it this night the Internet portal of the newspaper sinaloense.

The information with which it is counted(told) to the moment (9:30 PM), which comes straight from the sources nearest to the brigades of rescue who camp in the community of Green Water, to the south of Loreto, is that ITHAS NOT EVEN BEEN HAD NOT AT SIGHT TO THE AIRSHIP(AIRPLANE), for what continues currently the MISSING PERSON status.

Therefore the luck of the airship(airplane) is not known to the moment and its occupants.

As we inform them with opportunity, tomorrow if the conditions of the climate allow it, airships(airplanes) of the Navy of Mexico will realize sobrevuelos for the area, to guide to the brigades of infantry of the armed forces.

One adds to the previous thing the collaboration of the helicopter that there has facilitated the government of the state(condition) of Sinaloa and that tomorrow early will come(turn) to the search area.

Also there adds an airship(airplane) the company AIR CALAFIA that tomorrow the same will do sobrevuelos in narrow coordination with the brigades of search and rescue.

55steve - 10-15-2013 at 08:14 AM

Damn, that is the SAME plane we took to Cedros - XA-TXM

All IN ?

MrBillM - 10-15-2013 at 10:15 AM

I note that the article says the Cessna 208-B has a max capacity of 20 with 14 aboard.

Looking up the specs, I note that it lists Nine or Fourteen (with an F.A.R. part 23 Waiver).

SO, was it at full-capacity or did I miss something ?

bajaguy - 10-15-2013 at 10:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
I note that the article says the Cessna 208-B has a max capacity of 20 with 14 aboard.

Looking up the specs, I note that it lists Nine or Fourteen (with an F.A.R. part 23 Waiver).

SO, was it at full-capacity or did I miss something ?





F.A.R.'s don't count in Mexico

i would imaqgine 14 PAX, baggage and full load of fuel.

Could be a weight & balance issue, mechanical, medical or pilot error.....or a combination.

If Mulege was in the weather, he could have been scud running and have flown into a granite cloud. Trying to maintain a schedule or cut corners is a recipe fior disaster.

Will have to wait for the recovery and a preliminary report.

55steve - 10-15-2013 at 10:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
I note that the article says the Cessna 208-B has a max capacity of 20 with 14 aboard.

Looking up the specs, I note that it lists Nine or Fourteen (with an F.A.R. part 23 Waiver).

SO, was it at full-capacity or did I miss something ?


This is a picture of the plane that is missing - XA-TXM

I was just on this plane (XA-TXM) and it has 14 seats including the pilot. There is NO WAY it could seat 20 people.



[Edited on 10-15-2013 by 55steve]Text

[Edited on 10-15-2013 by 55steve]

XA-TXM.jpg - 43kB

shari - 10-15-2013 at 10:54 AM

here is the passenger list of the plane. The salt works ESSA has a plane out searching as well as a helicopter from Sinaloa. We should hear more news soon.


Esther Cota
Evelia López López
Israel Merino Parra
Reyes Moreno Gastelum
Joan Efrain Moreno Medrano
Arturo Pérez Inzunza
Alejandro Rosas
Andrea Rosas
Marco Rosas
Ramona González Armenta
Rosy Ornelas
Carmen Rojas López
Jesús Antonio Cárdenas Torres
José Manuel Duarte

Santiago - 10-15-2013 at 11:02 AM

Do they not carry transponders?

sit on the bag senor!

EdZeranski - 10-15-2013 at 01:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
I note that the article says the Cessna 208-B has a max capacity of 20 with 14 aboard.

Looking up the specs, I note that it lists Nine or Fourteen (with an F.A.R. part 23 Waiver).

SO, was it at full-capacity or did I miss something ?


Maybe like the capacity of a Korean bus...One More.( without eau d' kimchee of course)
Or the configuration in Mexico is different than domestic US.

EdZ

capt. mike - 10-15-2013 at 03:47 PM

there is no radar coverage where they were going. And 2 hours gas in a 208 is not enough to go from loreto - constitucion - los mochis. They are slow and chew jet A.

those hills due WSW of Loreto are steep fast. Caravan at gross would likely go around via south 1st. If he hit weather limiting viz he'd need to go back fast.

they are configured as air taxis for about 15 pax usually. I used to know one of their capts very well before he hit mandatory retirement. He was Capt. Chavez and used to fly with/for Munoz in the early days.

sorry to read this.

capt. mike - 10-15-2013 at 04:03 PM

forgot - yes he had a transponder - but that doesn't mean anything unless he was under ATC [air traffic control] which around those parts ends after you get 10 miles out of loreto's space and they release you to position reports if IFR or otherwise if VFR, which usually means contact the next tower when in range or unicom [common advisory freq] if no controller.

Constitucion is uncontrolled plus is only 20-30 min tops time from Loreto. If he didn't make 1st stop there is not a lot of ground to search. Once you are west of the loreto mtns radio is useless talking to them unless you are way high. He is non pressurized so top would have been 12,000 or so - they don't want to go that high on short runs to save gas.

BajaBlanca - 10-15-2013 at 06:00 PM

Well, the pilot was neither of the two I have flown with ....Eduardo and Jorge.

Has anyone an update?

comitan - 10-15-2013 at 06:15 PM

Secretariat of Communications and Transportation (SCT) reported that a plane has been missing trade with 14 passengers took off from town Loreto to Ciudad Constitution, however, after 25 minutes of flight, was lost from radar. Enrique Avalos, deputy transport of SCT, said the aircraft Aereo Service Company Guerrero came out at 9:01 hours of this day for Los Mochis, however, would have made ​​a stop in Ciudad Constitucion, which did not happen so alarms were activated and started a search operation to lead the armed forces. noted that in the Cessna Grand Caravan with registration XA-TXM board were 13 passengers and one crew, with fuel for two hours of flight. said that so far he had only known strong cloudiness conditions on the town of Loreto in the take off . During the meeting it was reported that the storm also caused heavy rains since Sunday night, especially in Los Cabos, and on this day in the municipalities of La Paz and Comondú, causing flooding and some streams, so alerted people to navigate the roads with caution. The National Water Commission (CNA) reported that the storm was located 215 kilometers southwest of Bahia Magdalena and recording sustained winds of 95 kilometers per hour and gusts of up to 110. According the forecast until the storm will weaken in the next few hours when approaching cooler waters, however, is expected to maintain its trajectory toward Comondú township where land may enter as a low pressure and tomorrow. As a preventive measure classes were suspended on Monday in the municipality of Los Cabos in both shifts, and in the municipality of La Paz in the afternoon shift. Governor Marcos Covarrubias Villaseñor said to be at the meeting at 19:00 to this day, according to the evolution of the storm, when determining whether to extend the suspension of classes for other municipalities.

55steve - 10-15-2013 at 06:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaBlanca
Well, the pilot was neither of the two I have flown with ....Eduardo and Jorge.

Has anyone an update?


We flew with Enrique about 3 weeks ago on the very plane that is now missing.

monoloco - 10-15-2013 at 07:44 PM

The fact that they didn't find it with an aerial search today makes me wonder if they could have gone into the drink.

bajaguy - 10-15-2013 at 07:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by monoloco
The fact that they didn't find it with an aerial search today makes me wonder if they could have gone into the drink.





You need to know the general area where to search, and how to conduct the right kind of search with TRAINED pilots and spotters flying at the right alltitude...........and it is not easy to find a downed aircraft.

There are many WWII era aircraft crashes in the US that have never been found.

Marla Daily - 10-16-2013 at 09:28 AM

I received an email this morning from a friend in Loreto who said someone off Agua Verde has reported seeing "an explosion about the time the plane went missing." No further details.

Three planes, two helicopters and several boats are engaged in the search at this morning.

Loretana - 10-16-2013 at 09:33 AM

According to "Reporteros Sin Fronteras" on COLECTIVO PERICU the Aircraft crash site has been found, 25 kilometers west of Loreto, in the highest part of the Sierra Giganta. :(
The Military are on the way to the site.


"¡Encontraron la avioneta en la sierra!

Fue hallada a 25 kilómetros al oeste de Loreto
Aún no se sabe nada de sus ocupantes

ultima hora 44Loreto, B.C.S.- Reporteros Sin Fronteras está confirmando que a las 9:30 de la mañana de hoy fue encontrada en la parte más alta de la Sierra de la Giganta el avión de pasajeros de la empresa AeroServicios Guerrero.

Esto es a 25 kilómetros al oeste de la Capital de las Californias en un área inaccesible, pero las coordinadas han sido confirmadas por los helicópteros de la Armada de México y del Gobierno del Estado de Sinaloa.

Esto es en dirección hacia San Javier.

Al momento no se precisa todavía si hay sobrevivientes del percance, lo que si se aclara es que se trata de un área innaccesible, sin ningún paraje cercano para que aterricen los helicópteros, por lo que ya se movilizan al sitio las brigadas de tierra de la Armada de México y Ejército Mexicano.

Cualquier nueva noticia se las haremos saber de inmediato.

Colectivo Pericú con avance informativo preliminar de REPORTEROS SIN FRONTERAS."

[Edited on 10-16-2013 by Loretana]

shari - 10-16-2013 at 09:50 AM

http://colectivopericu.net/2013/10/16/no-hay-sobrevivientes-...

rescue teams reached the plane and unfortunately there are no survivors...my heart goes out to the families and friends of the victims....so very tragic.

DAMN<<<BUMMER!!

captkw - 10-16-2013 at 09:52 AM

Well ................

MrBillM - 10-16-2013 at 10:02 AM

Statistically, Commercial Flying is safer than Auto-Travel.

Or Bus.

Especially a Mexican Bus.

Of course, pulling over in the event Bad Weather is encountered (if that's what occurred) is a bit more complicated.

motoged - 10-16-2013 at 10:06 AM

Brilliant insight.....:barf:

durrelllrobert - 10-16-2013 at 11:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by MrBillM
Statistically, Commercial Flying is safer than Auto-Travel.

Or Bus.

Especially a Mexican Bus.

Of course, pulling over in the event Bad Weather is encountered (if that's what occurred) is a bit more complicated.


During my DoD career between 1965 and 2003 (38 years) I flew well over 2 million miles (1.75 on American alone) and have only been down the slide once. That was on World Airways flight 30 that went into the harbor at Boston's Logan Airport In Jan 1982. Since I was a smoker I was seated in the back row and only the front of the aircraft went into the water and broke off.

On the other hand in almost 60 years of driving an estimated 900,000 miles I have crashed 4 times, one of which was into an irrigation canal where I almost drown.

I'll take flying over driving anytime.

www.celebrateboston.com/disasters/world-airways-crash-1982.htm‎

55steve - 10-16-2013 at 11:51 AM

Crap....

vgabndo - 10-16-2013 at 06:11 PM

25 k south of Loreto on a straight line between the airports is this face of the Sierra 4400 feet tall. West of Juncalito. This is the pilot's view (wildly speculated) from 14,000 ft.



'Remote' is a good description. This would not be a good time to be a Private in the Mexican Army on recovery duty. Or any of the poor folks agonizing over this right now. Perhaps the victims never had a chance to be scared. DEP

comitan - 10-16-2013 at 06:58 PM

The paper showed the flight path heading west north west from Loreto?

[Edited on 10-17-2013 by comitan]

comitan - 10-16-2013 at 07:00 PM

Here's the site.

Blue dot Loreto, red dot crash site. green dot rescue team.
http://octavodia.mx/imagenes/2013/10/16/advierte-gobernador-...

[Edited on 10-17-2013 by comitan]

[Edited on 10-17-2013 by comitan]

vgabndo - 10-16-2013 at 07:35 PM

I'm sure they know what they're talking about. I was going with the information Loretana posted and looking around with Google Earth. It is all rough country.

BajaNomad - 10-16-2013 at 07:53 PM

http://octavodia.mx/articulo/46368/comienza-rescate-de-cuerp...

https://twitter.com/gruizesp/statuses/390510987356291072

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/missing-pla...

crashsite.jpg - 48kB

fishbuck - 10-16-2013 at 07:55 PM

Really sorry to hear about this. That was a nice aircraft. Should have been able to bring everyone home safely. The Pratt and Whitney PT6 has like a 99.9% reliabilty rating. Condolences to the families. Sad day for Baja.

fishbuck - 10-16-2013 at 07:59 PM

CFIT? Microburst? Downdraft?
Quote:
Originally posted by BajaNomad
http://octavodia.mx/articulo/46368/comienza-rescate-de-cuerp...

https://twitter.com/gruizesp/statuses/390510987356291072

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/missing-pla...

BajaNomad - 10-16-2013 at 08:34 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-24556858

Cause of Aircraft Accident Loreto

Skeet/Loreto - 10-17-2013 at 07:30 AM

From the location of this Accident it appears that the Cause maybe be as follow;

At the time the Aircraft took off from Loreto very High Winds were blowing across the mountains from the West.
When the Winds are like this it creates Stron Downdrafts, WindShears and a condition known as a "Wave condition" and Roter Zones.

For any Pilots i Strongly suggest getting the book "Exploring the Monster' and learn about flying into these types of Conditions.

The Glider Pilots out of Bishop Calif use these Roter Zones to get into and go to 30,000 Feet.

My condolences to the Falilies

Skeet/Loreto

Sandlefoot - 10-17-2013 at 07:38 AM

Does this mean they have a general location of the wreckage. Last I heard was an explosion down by Auga Verde.

Mike

Skeet/Loreto - 10-17-2013 at 07:43 AM

The Location is about 25 miles West of Loreto and into the side of a Mountain. Photos are around and they are recovering the Bodies at this time.

Sandlefoot - 10-17-2013 at 07:58 AM

Thanks Skeet!!!! Sorry for the loss of life, and thankful for the quick find and recovery.

Mike

durrelllrobert - 10-17-2013 at 08:44 AM

MEXICO CITY, Oct 16 (Reuters) - Mexican officials in the
northwestern Baja California peninsula said on Wednesday they


had found the remains of a small aircraft that went missing on
Monday, and said all 14 people aboard were killed.

"Sadly there are no survivors," Communications and Transport
Minister Gerardo Ruiz said in a tweet.

The 20-seater plane, operated by private company Aereo
Servicio Guerrero, went missing on Monday morning after setting
off from Loreto International Airport headed for Ciudad
Constitucion.

Aereo Servicio Guerrero did not reply to requests for
comment.

Poor weather from Tropical Storm Octave had hampered the
search for the plane.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-mexico-plane-20131014,0,5550723.story

capt. mike - 10-17-2013 at 04:18 PM

Clearly the pilot was trying to go direct which meant climbing over the granite west of Loreto - bad choice, sorry - but with strong winds from the west that meant very strong rotors and downdrafts on the lee side. Even the power of the Pratt PT6 could not allow a climb and before he could turn around he was doomed.

Well it happens. Very sorry. Ma nature rules.....

capt. mike - 10-17-2013 at 04:18 PM

Skeet is right on here.

Those who need to Read .................

MrBillM - 10-17-2013 at 06:30 PM

Should have paid closer attention during flight training.

Where the Phenomena were (or should have been) covered fairly well.

I would seriously doubt that most pilots who become victims fly into said situations unaware. Rather, they THINK they have the ability to overcome a mishap.

Steve Fossett comes to mind.

And, one of my boyhood heroes, Scott Crossfield, who was an outstanding pilot. Granted, he was fairly old at the time he (against advice) flew into a storm situation.

apogee - 10-17-2013 at 09:45 PM

Short hop. a Twenty seat A/C is not a small plane. ........

Pescador - 10-18-2013 at 07:01 AM

I heard last night that an entire family from Santa Rosalia were on that flight and were going to the Grandfathers funeral. I think there were 3 children as well as both parents.

Only 3 total unless they had different last names

durrelllrobert - 10-18-2013 at 09:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pescador
I heard last night that an entire family from Santa Rosalia were on that flight and were going to the Grandfathers funeral. I think there were 3 children as well as both parents.


Alejandro Rosas
Andrea Rosas
Marco Rosas

[Edited on 10-18-2013 by durrelllrobert]

capt. mike - 10-18-2013 at 02:30 PM

the way Mexicans do their surnames - parents can have different last names than their children - its wierd. Your last name could be the last name of your mother. Your father might have a diff last name.

comitan - 10-18-2013 at 02:45 PM

Here is the family:

http://octavodia.mx/articulo/46400/conmociona-a-comunidad-mu...

bajacalifornian - 10-21-2013 at 02:30 PM

I was surprised to see the location of the crash site this morning. Leaves me with many questions.


Left early for the ranch of Juan Cunningham this morning, a couple kilometers north of the military checkpoint at Km 25

north of Loreto.


After coffee, Juan pulled out his binoculars and reference the point of impact. Maybe 1000 feet below and north of one of the highest peaks in the mountain chain at 5800 feet. Juan had watched recovery efforts over three or four days, through his field glasses.


On your chart, From San Jose de Comandu, look east to the 5800' peak.


An aircraft on course, Loreto direct Ciudad Constitucion, why was he so far north of course.

Peaks are taller at the crash site than behind Loreto.

P.S. I'd sent ya a picture but my camera died.

[Edited on 10-21-2013 by bajacalifornian]

LancairDriver - 10-21-2013 at 02:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajacalifornian
I was surprised to see the location of the crash site this morning. Leaves me with many questions.


Left early for the ranch of Juan Cunningham this morning, a couple kilometers north of the military checkpoint at Km 25

north of Loreto.


After coffee, Juan pulled out his binoculars and reference the point of impact. Maybe 1000 feet below and north of one of the highest peaks in the mountain chain at 5800 feet. Juan had watched recovery efforts over three or four days, through his field glasses.


On your chart, From San Jose de Comandu, look east to the 5800' peak.


An aircraft on course, Loreto direct Ciudad Constitucion, why was he so far north of course.

Peaks are taller at the crash site than behind Loreto.


Factors that would be a good guess causing the pilot to divert from the direct course could be severe turbulence, or drawn to what could appear to be a course to better visibility, or dealing with a possible malfunction such as an electrical failure affecting navigation equipment. As a single pilot aircraft the situation they were in with the storm would be more than a handful for the most experienced pilot. Of course there are a multitude of other problems to be considered.

bajacalifornian - 10-21-2013 at 03:06 PM

All good points.

fishbuck - 10-21-2013 at 07:52 PM

S.L. Rate of Climb fpm/mpm 975/297.

Here's your problem. Fully loaded and only airborne for about 3-5 minutes at best. You do the math.:no: