BajaNomad - TSA agent Killed at LAX

TSA agent Killed at LAX

captkw - 11-1-2013 at 12:28 PM

If your have a friend coming fom lax today, they might be delayed...fyi

shari - 11-1-2013 at 12:37 PM

oh crap...my hermano is flying from there to Loreto today..or not? :?:

Brother just got to Loreto...they got out of LAX just in time...whew.

I was just watching the live feed and they said one man was in critical condition and 2 wounded are gonna be OK...and the gunman was shot...but they wont say who the critical victim is.

[Edited on 11-1-2013 by shari]

DENNIS - 11-1-2013 at 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by shari
oh crap...my hermano is flying from here to Loreto today..or not? :?:

This shouldn't affect Loreto unless........where is "here?"

motoged - 11-1-2013 at 12:46 PM

Story: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/agent+killed+shooting+Angeles+airport+union+airport+says/9113164/story.html

shari - 11-1-2013 at 12:55 PM

My bro was on the LAX-LORETO flight this morning....all is well with them.

MMc - 11-1-2013 at 01:06 PM

We need to get those guns away from the TSA agents.

BajaNomad - 11-1-2013 at 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
Story: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/agent+killed+shooting+Angeles+airport+union+airport+says/9113164/story.html

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-live-lax-shootin...

tripledigitken - 11-1-2013 at 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by MMc
We need to get those guns away from the TSA agents.

The on duty TSA agents are unarmed.

DanO - 11-1-2013 at 02:15 PM

Looks like he was some anti-government nut who was specifically targeting TSA agents.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/01/21277650-gunman-o...

I have to say, I'm no fan of the TSA and I don't much care for air travel these days because of all the crap you have to put up with, but it sucks that someone apparently put a target on their backs just for doing what is a pretty thankless job.

Cardon Man - 11-2-2013 at 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken

The on duty TSA agents are unarmed.

This incident will be the perfect excuse to arm them and give them even broader powers to hassle law abiding travelers.

You Fly

MrBillM - 11-2-2013 at 09:10 AM

They Spy.

I'd say that they've got a pretty good argument for more extensive and intrusive inspection.

Take your choice.

Whatever it takes.

Scan everybody and everything.

At the Terminal entrance.

David K - 11-2-2013 at 09:38 AM

If all honest citizens were trained (NRA or other) and carried, how much quicker would the killer have been stopped... or never even tried in the first place!

motoged - 11-2-2013 at 10:51 AM

Or, David.....there would have been more whackos (Waco's) packin and shootin..... :saint:

David K - 11-2-2013 at 11:07 AM

Only way to stop a bad man with a gun, is with a good man with a gun. I don't believe there are more bad men than good... if so, then we are lost. Guns don't make people do evil things. Evil people will use anything they want to hurt or kill. Making guns hard to get has 0 effect on criminals getting guns. It does make honest people less able to save lives and stop crime, however.

rts551 - 11-2-2013 at 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by David K
If all honest citizens were trained (NRA or other) and carried, how much quicker would the killer have been stopped... or never even tried in the first place!

The OK corral at LAX. I can see it now!! They are packin on the streets in Arizoona and it didn't stop the wacko from shooting Rep Giffords, did it?

More guns...More shootings!

TSA can do all the inspections they want. Flying is a privilege not a right.

[Edited on 11-2-2013 by rts551]

motoged - 11-2-2013 at 11:23 AM

David,
let's not make this Rep-Dem/right-left issue....it's a Gun Kulture issue in my way of looking at it.

There seems to be a problem bigger than politics here....and wherever else this happens on this blue planet.

I don't pretend to have "The Answer", but there seems to be more mass shootings in the USA than anywhere else.

Not a rant, here....just a sad awareness

rts551 - 11-2-2013 at 11:35 AM

The obvious???? Was the old west gun packin environment safer? Any place with lots of guns any safer?

Motoged has it right! What is goin on? Except a culture that it is OK to shoot people.

I can see you now DK....doin the quick draw....Ohoh....you were just a little too slow.

And David. In Arizoona we can have guns very easily without the need for a permit...concealed or otherwise. (that law passed a couple of years ago). More guns and wannabe cowboys than .....

[Edited on 11-2-2013 by rts551]

MMc - 11-2-2013 at 12:23 PM

To discuss guns pro and cons is like asking for the best truck, tire, camping spot or abortion. Nobody's going to change their mind because of Nomads. I do like all the first ten amendments to the constitution. If you want to take the guns away change the constitution.

Switzerland is one of the most armed countries in the world. It kinda safe. There are to many guns in the hands of Americans to get them all back. That cow has left the barn. Now what to do?

Nothing on this board to going to make a difference.

America is one one of the few countries that loan individuals are killing people in mass for no apparent reason. I can think of few countries killing people in mass for political or ideological reasons.
Some are armed some are not.

I don't think killing anybody is making the the world better, however it's done.

David K - 11-2-2013 at 12:36 PM

Perhaps it is the millions of Americans who have lost their jobs and now their health insurance is cancelled... being driven over the edge by this administration's actions? But again, I believe people are mostly good and the few in government should not be the only ones with guns... What they do in communist countries and N-zi Germany should not also be done here.

vgabndo - 11-2-2013 at 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Only way to stop a bad man with a gun, is with a good man with a gun. I don't believe there are more bad men than good... if so, then we are lost. Guns don't make people do evil things. Evil people will use anything they want to hurt or kill. Making guns hard to get has 0 effect on criminals getting guns. It does make honest people less able to save lives and stop crime, however.

BULL CRAP!!!!! If the right wing believed that, then the easy answer would be to make sure that bad men don't get their hands on guns. If you will take the time to recall, the people with your mind set ABSOLUTELY REFUSED this year to pass a bill making it more difficult for CRAZY FREEKING PEOPLE to get their hands on guns. ABSOLUTELY REFUSED to make background checks part of the protection that unarmed people clearly need.

According to the overwhelming facts, putting more guns in more people's pockets will certainly accomplish one thing. The vast majority of people who are killed with guns are killed by someone they are acquainted with, your solution would guarantee that more friends and family members of gun owners will die.

I'd be very interested to see any good Justice Department documentation that indicates that there has been a DECREASE in gun violence associated with the HUGE increase in gun ownership in the US recently.

I am willing to admit to the feelings that came over me the first time I was instructed to strap-on a loaded sidearm with the authorization to kill to protect myself. If those evil feelings of power over life and death swept over me, I'm going to assume they sweep over a lot of people carrying a loaded gun in public for the first time, or any time. In reality, not once in 70 years have I been in a situation where I even began to need a loaded gun. How about you?

We COULD be above the law of the jungle. I don't think the minority political view in this country is going to let that happen, are you David. It's all about getting beyond "fight or flight" Brother.

And, I'd ask you to look at this Conservative fixation with guns in historical perspective. When the Right lost the hard-fought battles for equal rights for all races, and when the women stood up and took and held many of their constitutional rights against the wishes of the Conservatives, they had to go looking for another "cause" to rally their diminishing faithful. The Second Amendment, a clear necessity in a country without a standing army, allowing a man to own a flint lock musket, so he can join his neighbors and prevent oppression, has been turned into the scene at the Democratic rally in Arizona.

David, if only 10 of the "honest citizens" at the Arizona rally had been armed equally with the gunman, and I believe his personal protection was legal, they'd have been able to fire almost 300 rounds in 15 seconds to eliminate the threat. How much of a threat to the citizens in the crowd does THAT represent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyF6bsXbprU

[Edited on 11-2-2013 by vgabndo]

Timo1 - 11-2-2013 at 12:44 PM

Perry

You're 70 ???

I'm gonna have to get a walker to get you to the beach :lol:

See ya down there

David K - 11-2-2013 at 12:57 PM

The Left Wing is the enemy of the people who believe in freedom and all the principals this nation was founded upon. So sad that left wing radicals use twisted words and deceit to grant government complete control over us. "If you like your health insurance... you can keep it!" "The average family will see $2,500 a year in savings..." LOL

Once you give Washington control of YOUR body (health care), then there will be nothing that can stop government from dictating every aspect of your life (what you eat, where you can travel, ...).

:wow:

rts551 - 11-2-2013 at 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by David K
The Left Wing is the enemy of the people who believe in freedom and all the principals this nation was founded upon. So sad that left wing radicals use twisted words and deceit to grant government complete control over us. "If you like your health insurance... you can keep it!" "The average family will see $2,500 a year in savings..." LOL

Once you give Washington control of YOUR body (health care), then there will be nothing that can stop government from dictating every aspect of your life (what you eat, where you can travel, ...).

:wow:

David. There is professional help for people like you.

DianaT - 11-2-2013 at 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by rts551

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David. There is professional help for people like you.

It won't help as long as people like Sean Hannity spew out their lies, night after night and people like DK believe them no matter how often they are proven to be lies. And DK, please, look at which party is trying to control our personal lives --- especially the lives of women.

DK -- for positive results of gun control, please study a bit about Australia. And besides, the Democrats are NOT trying to take away all guns and never have been about that.

For positive results of national health care, please study a bit about Canada, Germany, France, etc.. If those people were not happy, they would be demonstrating in the streets. Also, please remember that the ACA is a Republican plan, a conservative Republican plan that was passed instead of the well needed single payer plan. The ACA is a windfall for private insurance companies.

This is and always was a progressive liberal country. The Founding fathers were NOT fundamental Christians, they were the Children of the Enlightenment. They were liberal, in fact radical for that time. The wacko right led by Ted Cruz want to turn this country into something it never was!

Can someone please bring back the old GOP that made more sense. Eisenhower is rolling in his grave. Maybe the Republican Senator from Maine, Margaret Chase Smith can come back and do as she did before. I could list a lot of really good Republicans from the past, and they would not be welcome in today's GOP.

DK --- you are a perfect example of one of the pawns in the current GOP strategy. You vote totally against your own best interest.

And, to see the better way to move forward with the economy, study California --- Gov. Moonbeam and the Democrats are doing a GREAT job.

Now, I shall not return --- nuff said.

mtgoat666 - 11-2-2013 at 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Once you give Washington control of YOUR body (health care), then there will be nothing that can stop government from dictating every aspect of your life (what you eat, where you can travel, ...).

the pre-obamacare system was such that the uninsured or inadequately insured were driven to bankruptcy if they got a catastrophic illness or injury... hoping the obamacare system will rectify that. pre-obamacare system provided a very bad insurance system for the self-employed or anyone not on a corporate employer health coverage.
obamacare may be best that can be done without single payer system. if you look at all of the g20 and EU countries, countries with best and most economical health care systems are single payer type.
USA insurance system is crappy except for government employees and employees of mid- to large-size corporations, and everyone is being fleeced by insurance companies.
single payer is way to go.

mtgoat666 - 11-2-2013 at 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by David K
The Left Wing is the enemy of the people who believe in freedom and all the principals this nation was founded upon.

dk: that type of nonsense just makes you sound ignorant and crazy

motoged - 11-2-2013 at 02:17 PM

David,
How many guns and what types are they that you own?

Are they obtained legally or at a neighborhood gun show?

How many people have you killed?

Have you ever needed a gun to protect you and yours?

Why aren't you serving your country in the Armed Services protecting your fellow countrymen/women from the commie leftist hordes.

How many vets/LEO's have you talked to who are affected by their killing of others ( I counsel them re: their PTSD as they attempt to recover from such experiences) ? I respect and value the need for such individuals, so am not going on that tangent.

I am not anti-gun as there is some excitement with the power of holding/discharging a firearm.

I AM opposed to the mentality and kulture of what your logic suggests.

A friend from Nevada who was a game warden for years (trained to use it, etc....but never had to) was visiting for a week of backroad moto-camping up here in the commie wastelands of Canada. He shared after several days that he felt naked and vulnerable without his gun...and we had an interesting discussion of that feeling and the whole issue.

We had some encounters with "strangers" out in the backcountry and he admitted to his confusing experience of his cultured fear....as opposed to the real-life experience of meeting these unarmed people who were kind, friendly, and non-threatening.

It was confusing for him as a good person...he began to have the experience of not needing to be fearful in such circumstances. He admitted it opened his eyes....and heart...to such conflicting perceptions.

He is NOT the kind of guy I mistrust with his weapon(s).

It is cultural issue, David, in a much more complex way than your political and simplistic logic presents.

You are an intelligent guy....and probably a sensitive guy (I like the pic of your cat in a different post ["Cats need love, too"] ).

I am not dissing you here and am trying to keep my promise to you to not attack your political views....but I am inviting you to see what else is possible for you to consider before you paint yourself totally into a corner based on fear and 300 year-old thinking/ present indoctrination.

"If things exist exactly and only like you think they do, then everyone else would perceive it that way....
Since that is not the case, then things must exist differently..."

Please consider the possibilities... :light:

[Edited on 11-2-2013 by motoged]

[Edited on 11-2-2013 by motoged]

Timo1 - 11-2-2013 at 02:34 PM

Ged

That is probably the MOST intelligent post I have read on this thread

vgabndo - 11-2-2013 at 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by Timo1
Perry

You're 70 ???

I'm gonna have to get a walker to get you to the beach :lol:

See ya down there

Hey Brother, you're going to need a bicycle to keep up! :lol:

Kgryfon - 11-2-2013 at 05:43 PM

I have a close relative who is a TSA agent. Just a person making a living and raising their kids. It makes no sense to target people because of the job they have. This is really, really, sad, and I am now pretty worried about my relative being in the line of fire for no good reason. I guess we could all be in danger when there is a nut case with a beef against "whatever" if we happen to be in the line of fire. As far as I am concerned, this is not a gun debate. This is a mental health issue.

MMc - 11-2-2013 at 05:58 PM

Accidents are the number 5 cause of death in America. I don't see anybody trying to take the right of stupidly away.
The guns issue is about about control.
If you read the bill of rights as a whole, they were written so the populous/states could use violence if the National Government became to powerful.
Before you attack me, I am a clear thinking moderate and believe that neither party has your best interest at hart. They are owned by special interest groups(labor, business, tech ET all). Those group are all about advancing their own interest.
The crazies have no interest in getting a lobby, their doctors do.

[Edited on 11-3-2013 by MMc]