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Tolerance in Baja

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Gypsy Jan - 11-4-2013 at 04:18 PM

In the most recent edition of the Baja Times, the English language newspaper, an ad is headlined "Gay Bar" and goes on the give location details, along with the line "Heterosexual Friendly".

Are people in Baja tolerant enough that whoever placed the ad felt comfortable enough to make it a headline and to believe that it will help bring in customers?

I honestly don't have an opinion or any knowledge about the subject.

DENNIS - 11-4-2013 at 04:21 PM

Yeah....most couldn't care less. Folks here have a tendency to live and let live.

David K - 11-4-2013 at 04:26 PM

Is it false advertising?

TOLERENCE

J.P. - 11-4-2013 at 04:48 PM

I think the people of Baja are mostly a very Tolerant Bunch.
But ACCEPTANCE is a whole different matter.

Bajahowodd - 11-4-2013 at 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
In the most recent edition of the Baja Times, the English language newspaper, an ad is headlined "Gay Bar" and goes on the give location details, along with the line "Heterosexual Friendly".

Are people in Baja tolerant enough that whoever placed the ad felt comfortable enough to make it a headline and to believe that it will help bring in customers?

I honestly don't have an opinion or any knowledge about the subject.

I'm thinking that if you took the time to post a new thread about this subject, you do have an opinion. Just my opinion.

That said, what is happening right now in many places around the world, including the US, is encouraging. Why should anyone give a flip about someone else's gender orientation? It has become a political wedge issue in the states, but geez, at the end of the day, what does it matter.

DENNIS - 11-4-2013 at 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Why should anyone give a flip about someone else's gender orientation? It has become a political wedge issue in the states, but geez, at the end of the day, what does it matter.

Right.....Good....fine....until you watch that RuPaul Drag Race, or whatever the eff it's called, on TV. I find this stuff really weird.
Not in my foxhole....thank you.

motoged - 11-4-2013 at 05:54 PM

Dennis,
Some folks don't want "In" your foxhole. :light:

You can relax :lol:

bajadogs - 11-4-2013 at 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Is it false advertising?

I doubt it. If you think about it, gays are exposed to heterosexuality all the time and they seem to be pretty tolerant.

I'll admit it - I have been to gay bars. And guess what? I had a good time. And guess what else???

It didn't make me gay.

Kgryfon - 11-4-2013 at 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
Dennis,
Some folks don't want "In" your foxhole. :light:

You can relax :lol:

Exactly!

I find a lot of stuff on TV really disturbing, disgusting, or just plain stupid. I turn it off or turn the channel. RuPaul is no wierder than Tiny Tim, Lady Gaga, Dennis Rodman, or that other nit-wit that's been hanging her tongue out of her mouth lately. He'd be weird whether or not he was gay. And he has no more in common with the vast majority of gay people than Dennis Rodman has with you...except for the name, of course... :spingrin:

grace59 - 11-4-2013 at 07:32 PM

My stepson is gay. He and his partner, a native born Mexican (Mexico City) have been to Baja many times to visit us. Our Mexican friends are very accepting of them. My stepson's partner actually gets more teasing about his being a "Chilango" than about being gay.

DENNIS - 11-4-2013 at 08:18 PM

Ohhh pleeeeze....don't tell me I have to be accepting of that crazy crap on RuPal's freak show. I only see it when I'm passing by on a channel surfing wave, and it's all I can do keep my lunch down before I hit the button to move on.
There are alternative life styles for which I have plenty of tolerant understanding.
Then...there are freak shows, such as this, where individuals go out of their way to push the envelope on human interaction. It belongs in the annals of the ol' time donkey shows in TJ.
Am I supposed to accept those as alternative lifestyles as well?

Jeeeezo....be tolerant, but don't be supportive of biological abomination.

Cisco - 11-4-2013 at 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Ohhh pleeeeze....don't tell me I have to be accepting of that crazy crap on RuPal's freak show. I only see it when I'm passing by on a channel surfing wave, and it's all I can do keep my lunch down before I hit the button to move on.
There are alternative life styles for which I have plenty of tolerant understanding.
Then...there are freak shows, such as this, where individuals go out of their way to push the envelope on human interaction. It belongs in the annals of the ol' time donkey shows in TJ.
Am I supposed to accept those as alternative lifestyles as well?

Jeeeezo....be tolerant, but don't be supportive of biological abomination.

Umm. O.K.

I really have not the faintest idea of what you just posted after reading it three times.

As with anything Dennis accept what you wish and discard the undesirable.

Seems pretty simple to me.

Kgryfon - 11-4-2013 at 09:02 PM

So...change the channel if it bugs you, Dennis? My point was that it is as ridiculous for you to bring up RuPaul in a conversion about gay people as it would be for someone else to compare you to some of the hetero freaks that are out there just because you are both hetero. And there are at least as many hetero freaks as there are RuPauls. If you consider him a freak. I've never watched him personally for more than a second so I wouldn't know just how freaky he is or isn't. He's just not interesting to me. So I change the channel...and I don't paint all gay people with the same brush.

DENNIS - 11-4-2013 at 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by Cisco

I really have not the faintest idea of what you just posted after reading it three times.

Three times? I'm flattered.
Sheeit. I wrote it and didn't even read it once.

wessongroup - 11-4-2013 at 09:25 PM

OH, that's right .... tolerance in Baja ... had to scroll back up ... :lol:

cabonotcho - 11-5-2013 at 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by motoged
Dennis,
Some folks don't want "In" your foxhole. :light:

You can relax :lol:

lol

DavidE - 11-5-2013 at 08:02 AM

Fer crying out loud THE AD WORKED! Don't you see?

It's got all of you talking about it.

Chupacabra - 11-5-2013 at 10:15 AM

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It's OK to be curious and have suppressed feelings. We won't judge you.

Biological Abomination?

Bajahowodd - 11-5-2013 at 06:01 PM

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First of all, there are people who push the envelope in all walks of life. For instance, you would never catch me watching any of the burro movies.

Second of all, homosexuality has existed in nature since the beginning of nature.

Finally, despite the currently accepted numbers, there are some well researched scientific studies that claim that within the human populace, homosexuality both patent and latent, approaches 25% of the population. A huge number of people just deny their own tendencies.

But, at the end of the day, what folks do behind closed doors is the business of no one else.

Gypsy Jan - 11-5-2013 at 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd

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My opinion is that folks ought to talk to each other about stuff.

DENNIS - 11-5-2013 at 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Finally, despite the currently accepted numbers, there are some well researched scientific studies that claim that within the human populace, homosexuality both patent and latent, approaches 25% of the population.

Show one!!!! Just effing one!!!

By your baloney numbers I have to assume 25% of the population has removed themselves from the pool of humans that are biologically concerned with propagation of the human species.
What indigestible, baloney crap.

I don't believe homosexuals are born as such. I believe everybody is a product of their environment.
Gays......straights...homos...queers.... dykes...cal'em what you will...are all formed from day one of their life on earth. There is no queer gene, and we arn't brainless ducks.
There is however a propensity for the species to be straight and biologically interested in reproduction.

Add to this IMHO, they have no "rights" to marry and receive equal fiscal "rights" in our society.
Rights are clearly stated in our Constitution, and marriage isn't mentioned for anybody...gay...straight....or any other weird reasons.

Why do you have to fan the flames of this sht, Howard?

Ateo - 11-5-2013 at 06:59 PM

You just threw gasoline on the fire Dennis and didn't look too smart doing it.

DENNIS - 11-5-2013 at 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by Ateo
You just threw gasoline on the fire Dennis and didn't look too smart doing it.

Thanks for nuthin, Jon.
Now....show me where I'm wrong. I'm sure you can do that.

DENNIS - 11-5-2013 at 07:11 PM

I mean.....show us, Jon. I'll keep insisting here until you do...Show all of us where I failed to exhibit a cogent argument for my points, and I'll stand corrected.
I'm waiting.

DENNIS - 11-5-2013 at 07:14 PM

Jon seems to be at a loss for words, so I'll appeal to anyone else here to take up his stance. For some reason he failed to stand behind his accusation.

Anybody???????

DENNIS - 11-5-2013 at 07:18 PM

Maybe I should call RuPaul. Maybe he/she has courage of his/her convictions. :lol:

Cisco - 11-5-2013 at 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy Jan

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd

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My opinion is that folks ought to talk to each other about stuff.

I consider myself to be “straight”, whatever that is. I do believe that there is a lot of latitude in human sexuality and that none of us are totally gay or straight. I believe that we all are, to a certain degree, bi-sexual. Physiologically (brain function, genetically,...), psychologically, and that sexual preference is biologically determined.

It is not limited to just the bedroom either, the sexual predilections. It affects all aspects of a person’s life and lifestyle to varying degrees and determines in many respects the course of a persons life at a sub-concious and conscious level. A lot of it hormonal and at a sub-concious level, some of it consciously perceived.

I am very fortunate having one son who is a pure Gay guy, another who is heavy into Tantra, Polyamory, marriage and dating (though not ‘swinging’, a completely different dynamic), and am able to compare and see their lives play out very specifically.

It is a fascinating and rewarding pursuit as they both live international, rewarding lives filled with friends and travel, language, education and cultural pursuits. In other words they are both living life to the max, in many of the same ways, and they both have the capacity to love which is the all encompassing gratification of a full human existence.

“My opinion is that folks ought to talk to each other about stuff.”

Oh Gypsy Jan I so agree. I am afraid though that we may have lost the ability of pure thought and honest interconnection with others of our tribe. I will leave you with an extract from “Gone Girl” by Gillian Flynn.

“I don't know that we are actually human at this point, those of us who are like most of us, who grew up with TV and movies and now the Internet. If we are betrayed, we know the words to say; when a loved one dies, we know the words to say. If we want to play the stud or the smart-ass or the fool, we know the words to say. We are all working from the same dog-eared script.

It's a very difficult era in which to be a person, just a real, actual person, instead of a collection of personality traits selected from an endless automat of characters."

I hope you are able to love life, however it is for you.

DENNIS - 11-5-2013 at 07:19 PM

OK....I'm done. Nothing less gratifying than talking to the wall.

bajadogs - 11-5-2013 at 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
OK....I'm done. Nothing less gratifying than talking to the wall.

Maybe visit a gay bar.
:lol:

DENNIS - 11-5-2013 at 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by bajadogs

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Originally posted by DENNIS
OK....I'm done. Nothing less gratifying than talking to the wall.

Maybe visit a gay bar.
:lol:

Sure. Why not? I enjoyed my Anthro classes in college. Always something to learn. Better by far when people don't try to force-feed that education.

Ateo - 11-5-2013 at 07:53 PM

Dennis,
I'm gonna walk down the street to pick up some Tito's Tacos. Their stuff is pretty tasty. I'll respond when I get back. I don't have anything ground shattering. I just think your posts on this subject will be laughed at in 50 years. They're laughed at now. There's no better judge of a statement than time, and your's won't age well.
Still friends,
Jon

:lol:

bajadock - 11-5-2013 at 08:01 PM

https://www.facebook.com/gaybarrosarito?ref=br_tf

DENNIS - 11-5-2013 at 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by Ateo
I just think your posts on this subject will be laughed at in 50 years.

Don't think I didn't consider that, Jon. I mean, I'm a few feet from dead right now, but...50 years from now? I really give a sht.. :lol:

Besides....in fifty years , the gay community will all be glued together in a wad of hedonistic semen with no reason to keep on living, other than a feel good sensation. They live for the orgasm.
Straight's live for the species....the offspring....the family.

Don't ask for more if you don't want to hear it. :biggrin:

To Cisco (and all Nomads)

Gypsy Jan - 11-5-2013 at 08:22 PM

I do greatly enjoy my life, even after the bumps and diversions.

There is a constant reminder from the Great Out There. "You Are Not in Control, Take What You Will from the Ride on the Roller Coaster."

[Edited on 11-6-2013 by Gypsy Jan]

DENNIS - 11-5-2013 at 08:26 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
To Cisco

Responding to Ceeesco is responding to Fulano.
Pick your poison.

Ateo - 11-5-2013 at 08:29 PM

Dennis,

So my statement was this:

"You just threw gasoline on the fire Dennis and didn't look too smart doing it."

This was in response to you saying Howard was "fanning the flames of this shet".

In my opinion, in this thread, the only one up till then who was fanning flames was you by talking about how you shouldn't have to watch RUPAUL.

This was a thread about a gay bar. When the second thing out of your mouth is Rupaul, it makes you look a little homophobic and sheltered. I mean, come on, what's usually the first thing out of someone's mouth who doesn't like gays?

"Oh they're sexual freaks and heathens and they make me feel icky!!"

There is a whole spectrum of gays. Lawyers, nurses, boxers, flight attendants, musicians and mechanics. Just like straights. I know straight people who dress up in crazy make up too.

Is Rupaul the only gay person you know? I know the answer is NO. =)

I don't believe the 25% number that Howard used, but I do know there's a HUGE spectrum of sexual variation. Some are straight, some are gay, some are somewhere in the middle.

You saying that GAYS take themselves out of the pool that are biologically concerned with the propagation of the human species is comedy gold.

POLL----Straight people: How many of you were thinking about propagating the human species when you were hot n horny and looking for some action?

What person would choose to be bullied, harassed, threatened, beaten up, and even killed for just holding hands with someone of the same sex? Oh you didn't really say that, you said it's the environment in which they are raised that makes 'em gay. If that were true, all those intimidating words from a homophobic father to apossible queer son must not work. It's fricking child abuse to treat a kid that way. Child friggen abuse.

My good friend is a twin. Both twins (BOYS) grew up in the same household, with a loving Mom and baseball coach Dad. Well, one of them is gay and the other isn't.

I tell my kids it's Ok if they're gay or straight. Maybe I'm opening the door to homosexuality? I doubt it.

Our sexual preferences become known to us at a very young age. Ask some gays when they knew they were gay. Ask around. Not many will tell you it was their environment. (none)

And for marriage.....come on......really? Are you advocating taking away marriage from our society because it's not in the constitution? The Constitution doesn't mention a lot of things. Woman's rights and Abolishment of Slavery comes to mind. We can do better then the fricking Constitution.

So, in summary, I think your comments look silly, lack empathy and show an overall lack of knowledge on the subject. But, I still think your'e a good guy.

Cheers my brother,
Ateo

[Edited on 11-6-2013 by Ateo]

[Edited on 11-6-2013 by Ateo]

mulegemichael - 11-5-2013 at 08:32 PM

hey!!....dennis!!!...i'm your friend!!!...take a deep breath, amigo...in....out...it's not worth it, buddy...relax....

Bajaboy - 11-5-2013 at 08:38 PM

15 of the United States now allow same sex marriages....change is happening now.

Dennis, aka, grumpy old man.....you're way off base on this one....yell at me all you want....I could care less.

Lee - 11-5-2013 at 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by Ateo
Dennis,
I'm gonna walk down the street to pick up some Tito's Tacos. Their stuff is pretty tasty. I'll respond when I get back. I don't have anything ground shattering. I just think your posts on this subject will be laughed at in 50 years. They're laughed at now. There's no better judge of a statement than time, and your's won't age well.
Still friends,
Jon

:lol:

Seriously, Dennis, some here have compassion for you, and even think you're entitled to sexist opinions, while the world wait's for you to catch up. Relax. Your vested interest in RuPaul is highly suspect. I believe you're attracted to him. But then, I could be wrong. He does make an attractive woman, doesn't he?

Camp is a form of entertainment. Sometimes it's a lifestyle. I don't watch Ru's show personally, but it sounds like you've been watching too much.

bajadogs - 11-5-2013 at 08:40 PM

I LOVE YOU DENNIS!!! :bounce:

Hook - 11-5-2013 at 09:58 PM

One thing I'm not getting about the overtly gay community.

Why would you want to be singled out, largely, by the type of person you have sixx with? Why publicly emphasize your sexuality through parades, attending gay functions, etc.? Does anyone really CARE about the gender that other people have sixx with, to the point that it must be made public?

Gay pride? You're PROUD of having sex with a specific type of person and you want the world to know? Isnt that rather shallow?

I mean, should I start a movement for men preferring sex with redhead or brunette females and start parading around, publicly declaring this? Maybe open a redhead-sexual-preference bar that is "blonde sexuality" friendly? Wouldn't I be labeled a shallow, sexualist pig?

Or, are we straight folk just behind the curve in marketing ourselves properly..........? :lol:

[Edited on 11-6-2013 by Hook]

Bajaboy - 11-5-2013 at 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
One thing I'm not getting about the overtly gay community.

Why would you want to be singled out, largely, by the type of person you have sixx with? Why publicly emphasize your sexuality through parades, attending gay functions, etc.? Does anyone really CARE about the gender that other people have sixx with, to the point that it must be made public?

Gay pride? You're PROUD of having sex with a specific type of person and you want the world to know? Isnt that rather shallow?

I mean, should I start a movement for men preferring sex with redhead or brunette females and start parading around, publicly declaring this? Maybe open a redhead-sexual-preference bar that is "blonde sexuality" friendly? Wouldn't I be labeled a shallow, sexualist pig?

Or, are we straight folk just behind the curve in marketing ourselves properly..........? :lol:

[Edited on 11-6-2013 by Hook]

Really? Just this week, a bill was close to passing in the Senate making it illegal to discriminate against gays workers. The House will likely not take up the bill. In other words, the House still feels it is okay to discriminate based on one's sexual preference.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-close-to-passi...

If all people were accepted equally, then your comment might make sense. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. By the way, I'm proud of having sex with my wife....does that make me shallow?

DENNIS - 11-5-2013 at 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by Ateo

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In my opinion, in this thread, the only one up till then who was fanning flames was you by talking about how you shouldn't have to watch RUPAUL.

Never said that.
What I said was, I dislike coming across that freak show in my channel surfing, and made it a point that I left the channel asap....which was fast.

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This was a thread about a gay bar. When the second thing out of your mouth is Rupaul, it makes you look a little homophobic and sheltered. I mean, come on, what's usually the first thing out of someone's mouth who doesn't like gays?

Don't know, but I'm not homophobic. I'm homo-nauseated from their attempts to shove their lifestyle down my throat. [no pun intended]

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"Oh they're sexual freaks and heathens and they make me feel icky!!"
[/QUOTE]

Your comment. Not mine.

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Is Rupaul the only gay person you know?

I don't know RuPaul. I don't know Barney Franks either. Thank Gawd on both accounts.

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You saying that GAYS take themselves out of the pool that are biologically concerned with the propagation of the human species is comedy gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxAKFlpdcfc&feature=youtu...

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POLL----Straight people: How many of you were thinking about propagating the human species when you were hot n horny and looking for some action?
What person would choose to be bullied, harassed, threatened, beaten up, and even killed for just holding hands with someone of the same sex?

Blather....

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Oh you didn't really say that, you said it's the environment in which they are raised that makes 'em gay. If that were true, all those intimidating words from a homophobic father to apossible queer son must not work. It's fricking child abuse to treat a kid that way. Child friggen abuse.

More blah blah blah blather

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My good friend is a twin. Both twins (BOYS) grew up in the same household, with a loving Mom and baseball coach Dad. Well, one of them is gay and the other isn't.

Who, but me, could care less.

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We can do better the the fricking Constitution.

You should back away from your bong and bottle before you make comments like this!!

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Cheers my brother,
Ateo

Good enough. Thanks.

[Edited on 11-6-2013 by Ateo]

DENNIS - 11-5-2013 at 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
I'm proud of having sex with my wife....

Before...or after? :lol:

Jes kiddin'.

motoged - 11-5-2013 at 10:26 PM

Dennis,
Thanks for telling us what you think.

But that does not mean that it is "The Truth"....but is only what you believe.

Your comment that we are solely a product of our environment suggests that you are one of these folks that denies science (i.e. genetics, research findings, etc).

I am not sure what chord within you that is struck that leads to your homophobic mentality....but that is for you to work out.

Good luck with that. :cool:

Hook - 11-5-2013 at 10:28 PM

"By the way, I'm proud of having sex with my wife....does that make me shallow?"

If you parade around and glorify it in public, I'd say yes.

I'd like to know more about a person than their sexual preferences. But if that's the introduction that is forced upon you by their public actions then, yes, it's shallow, IMO.

"The House will likely not take up the bill. In other words, the House still feels it is okay to discriminate based on one's sexual preference."

You dont know that. You cant conclude the feelings of the whole House, based on the actions of one man. Boehner has recently been shown to be out of touch with the majority of the House in order to coddle a vocal minority that support his conservatism.

But you cant conclude that Boehner's political ploy reflects the mood of the House.

Bajaboy - 11-5-2013 at 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
"By the way, I'm proud of having sex with my wife....does that make me shallow?"

If you parade around and glorify it in public, I'd say yes.

I'd like to know more about a person than their sexual preferences. But if that's the introduction that is forced upon you by their public actions then, yes, it's shallow, IMO.

"The House will likely not take up the bill. In other words, the House still feels it is okay to discriminate based on one's sexual preference."

You dont know that. You cant conclude the feelings of the whole House, based on the actions of one man. Boehner has recently been shown to be out of touch with the majority of the House in order to coddle a vocal minority that support his conservatism.

But you cant conclude that Boehner's political ploy reflects the mood of the House.

Okay, so let's say that Boehner allows the vote....what are the odds that it passes the House? Not likely....

Look, I understand your premise about parading "it" around...but one's sexual preferences should be their own business. But unfortunately, too many people think they should dictate what a person should do or not do.

[Edited on 11-6-2013 by Bajaboy]

DENNIS - 11-6-2013 at 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by motoged
Dennis,
Thanks for telling us what you think.

But that does not mean that it is "The Truth"....but is only what you believe.

I believe this is insane and shouldn't be allowed to hinder an orderly flow of traffic:

http://tinyurl.com/mron7uv

:lol:

willardguy - 11-6-2013 at 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by motoged
Dennis,
Thanks for telling us what you think.

But that does not mean that it is "The Truth"....but is only what you believe.

I believe this is insane and shouldn't be allowed to hinder an orderly flow of traffic:

http://tinyurl.com/mron7uv

:lol:

now those folks know how to put on a fun parade!

Martyman - 11-6-2013 at 12:57 PM

I speak a little Spanish...but I don't consider myself bi.

Barry A. - 11-6-2013 at 01:01 PM

Secretly, I always wanted to be a big cat-----------should I try and start a in-your-face movement for people like me?? (maybe I just did?????)

Barry

DENNIS - 11-6-2013 at 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by Martyman
I speak a little Spanish...but I don't consider myself bi.

Do you have a bi-cycle? Whoever heard of a homo Schwin? [well...there are beach cruisers] :lol:

Cisco - 11-6-2013 at 01:42 PM

The Vatican has issued a request to national bishops' conferences worldwide ahead of a synod next year: Tell us what your region thinks about contraception, divorce, same-sex marriage, and other social issues. The National Catholic Reporter calls the questionnaire a "wide-ranging poll of Catholics," though the Vatican has disputed that label, saying it's simply a series of questions for bishops' offices, CatholicCulture.org notes. Still, leaders called for questions to be distributed "as widely as possible." While an accompanying letter sent to US bishops asks only for their own assessments, in England and Wales, the church has posted an online survey.

"Concerns which were unheard of until a few years ago have arisen today as a result of different situations, from the widespread practice of cohabitation ... to same-sex unions," the bishops' documents note, per the BBC. Among the questions:

* "What pastoral attention can be given to people who have chosen to live (in same-sex) union(s)?" And "what can be done pastorally in light of transmitting the faith" among families with same-sex parents?
* As to writings against the use of artificial contraception, "Is this moral teaching accepted?"
* "Does a ministry exist to attend to" cases of cohabitation before marriage, divorce, and remarriage?

The documents also address "a culture of non-commitment" in marriage, single parents, polygamy, and "forms of feminism hostile to the Church," the National Catholic Reporter notes.

Bajatripper - 11-6-2013 at 01:50 PM

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Since you live in La Paz, perhaps you should visit Las Jarritas on 5 de Febrero just off Abasolo. It's a gay bar and welcomes anyone, you could better inform yourself about Paceño attitudes towards gays there.

JoeJustJoe - 11-6-2013 at 01:55 PM

Wow the intolerance over here! If I didn't know better I would think I'm in the OT. It's a good thing we as a nation are moving forward and becoming more tolerant towards gays, and this is most countries in the world including Mexico, however there are a few Muslims nations, North Korea, and a few factions within the GOP party that are pretty much intolerant towards gay people, and same-sex marriage.

I pulled up an old poll from a "Pew study" and it shows in 2003 by nearly two-to-one, more Americans oppose same-sex marriage, but just a decade later in 2013, the polls are pretty much evenly divided towards same-sex marriage about 50% pro same-sex marriage, and 50% against same-sex marriage, but if there was another vote for something like prop 8 this year in California. It would probably end up in defeat this time around, and in favor for the same-sex proponents. However as you know the courts intervened and overturned prop 8.

Another thing that the polls show, is the younger you are, the more tolerant towards gay people you are, and the older you are, the more intolerant you are against gay people on average, and this is across all political lines, and even young conservatives are probably pretty tolerant towards gays and same-sex marriage, and older conservatives seem to harbor the most intolerance towards gays according to the polls.

___________________________________________
November 18, 2003

Religious Beliefs Underpin Opposition to Homosexuality

Gay Marriage Opposed

By nearly two-to-one, more Americans oppose (59%) than favor (32%) legalizing gay marriage. This reflects something of a backlash from polls conducted earlier in the year, before the Supreme Court’s ruling in June that struck down state laws against sodomy. In a July survey shortly after that decision, the public opposed gay marriage by a smaller margin (53%-38%).

http://www.pewforum.org/2003/11/18/part-2-gay-marriage/
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Forward 2013:
During our polling so far this year, an average of 50% of Americans support the right of gays and lesbians to marry legally. In our most recent survey, conducted in May, that number edged up to 51% for the first time. A slideshow that tracks attitudes towards gay marriage since 2001, including breakdowns by religion, generation and political party, can be viewed here.

Although the public remains divided, both supporters and opponents now believe that legal recognition of gay marriage is “inevitable.”

http://www.pewresearch.org/key-data-points/gay-marriage-key-...

Barry A. - 11-6-2013 at 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Wow the intolerance over here! If I didn't know better I would think I'm in the OT. It's a good thing we as a nation are moving forward and becoming more tolerant towards gays, and this is most countries in the world including Mexico, however there are a few Muslims nations, North Korea, and a few factions within the GOP party that are pretty much intolerant towards gay people, and same-sex marriage.

I pulled up an old poll from a "Pew study" and it shows in 2003 by nearly two-to-one, more Americans oppose same-sex marriage, but just a decade later in 2013, the polls are pretty much evenly divided towards same-sex marriage about 50% pro same-sex marriage, and 50% against same-sex marriage, but if there was another vote for something like prop 8 this year in California. It would probably end up in defeat this time around, and in favor for the same-sex proponents. However as you know the courts intervened and overturned prop 8.

Another thing that the polls show, is the younger you are, the more tolerant towards gay people you are, and the older you are, the more intolerant you are against gay people on average, and this is across all political lines, and even young conservatives are probably pretty tolerant towards gays and same-sex marriage, and older conservatives seem to harbor the most intolerance towards gays according to the polls.

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November 18, 2003

Religious Beliefs Underpin Opposition to Homosexuality

Gay Marriage Opposed

By nearly two-to-one, more Americans oppose (59%) than favor (32%) legalizing gay marriage. This reflects something of a backlash from polls conducted earlier in the year, before the Supreme Court’s ruling in June that struck down state laws against sodomy. In a July survey shortly after that decision, the public opposed gay marriage by a smaller margin (53%-38%).

http://www.pewforum.org/2003/11/18/part-2-gay-marriage/
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Forward 2013:
During our polling so far this year, an average of 50% of Americans support the right of gays and lesbians to marry legally. In our most recent survey, conducted in May, that number edged up to 51% for the first time. A slideshow that tracks attitudes towards gay marriage since 2001, including breakdowns by religion, generation and political party, can be viewed here.

Although the public remains divided, both supporters and opponents now believe that legal recognition of gay marriage is “inevitable.”

http://www.pewresearch.org/key-data-points/gay-marriage-key-...

Once again the wisdom of the elders is proven true. :light:

Barry

DanO - 11-6-2013 at 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by Ateo
I'm gonna walk down the street to pick up some Tito's Tacos. Their stuff is pretty tasty.

Tito's Tacos in Culver City? Hmmmm.

For those of you not familiar with L.A., Tito's is a longstanding Mexican-American fast food joint just off the 405 in Culver City that for some inexplicable reason always seems to have a line of customers. Greasy beef tacos with iceberg lettuce and cheddar cheese. I just don't get it, especially with so much good Mexican food to be had in the same area (e.g., Mariscos Chente, El Jacalito, Tacomiendo, Taqueria Sanchez, etc.).

DENNIS - 11-6-2013 at 03:05 PM

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Who here is being intolerant toward gays?
Say it's me if you wish, but you'd best have your sht together when you do.

DENNIS - 11-6-2013 at 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by motoged

Your comment that we are solely a product of our environment suggests that you are one of these folks that denies science (i.e. genetics, research findings, etc).

I am not sure what chord within you that is struck that leads to your homophobic mentality....but that is for you to work out.

You really have to pull the homophobe branding iron out of the fire. I have no fear of homos....only a disgust for having their lifestyle forced upon me when it is, and today, that is often.

Flamboyant, "in your face" queers, are as abhorrent to me as het-porn. It's a moral issue for me and no government on earth will tell me what I should consider moral.

http://www.pureintimacy.org/a/are-people-really-born-gay/

bajaguy - 11-6-2013 at 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by Ateo
Dennis,
I'm gonna walk down the street to pick up some Tito's Tacos.
:lol:

You should probably take a Glock and your new SPOT in case you get into trouble!!! :lol:

Ateo - 11-6-2013 at 03:34 PM

I don't disagree much with your statement. I stay at the Travelodge next door and walk down to get dinner. The first time I was amazed. Tacos with meat and cheese? That's it? No lettuce? No tomatoes. Very little taste. I had heard this place was epic and was disappointed. On top of that the customer service is horrible. It took me a while to figure out my favorite -- Bean and Cheese a Rice Burrito with a side of Guac. Still, it's doesn't warrant the lines outside.

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Originally posted by DanO

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Originally posted by Ateo
I'm gonna walk down the street to pick up some Tito's Tacos. Their stuff is pretty tasty.

Ateo - 11-6-2013 at 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy

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Originally posted by Ateo
Dennis,
I'm gonna walk down the street to pick up some Tito's Tacos.
:lol:

You should probably take a Glock and your new SPOT in case you get into trouble!!! :LOL:

Funny you say that.....I do own a Glock 21. But I don't have the Spot yet. Heading to the store today though. =)

motoged - 11-6-2013 at 04:36 PM

Okay....so who has the bigger Glock? :biggrin:

Bajafun777 - 11-6-2013 at 10:12 PM

I was talking with a waiter at a popular bar/cafe in Rosarito and he told me he is a waiter at the "Gay Bar" in Rosarito at night. I asked him if he participated in the lifestyle and he said "No"but that "Gays" tip very good!! LOL The other workers at the bar just shook their heads and he again said I don't care what they do with their lives not my business. However, he ended saying he loves the money he makes working there and the people coming in there do not give him a bad time.

I am conservative in most aspects of my life. However, I also believe what people do is their business as long as it doesn't harm others or kids!! So, different strokes for different folks but for me it has to be a female not just some of the time but ALL the time!! LOL

I don't worry about being around gay people, as I have friends that some of their relatives are gay. Now, I would like to point out that being gay doesn't define who they are, heck some of them are more conservative than Rush.

When I go see my doctor in HillCrest, I like to go to MO's for lunch or breakfast since it has the best food around. Now, at night time it changes into drag type shows and everything else that goes with it according to my friend's brother that is gay. I don't let the gay thing keep me from enjoying the great food served there at great prices along with fast service! I also like the Bakery on the same street next to MO's. Easy on the Easy, Live and Let Live. Now, there is just too much FUN IN LIFE to let the small stuff take up my time worrying about things that really don't affect me. Take Care & Travel Safe----- "No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN' bajafun777

DavidE - 11-7-2013 at 11:28 AM

I do not have experience with "gays" anywhere except for an unfortunate (for me) encounter with a "Gay Pride" parade in downtown San Francisco near Union Square.

Too many of the participants were in-your-face aggressive. I hauled my new coat to the BART station only to find two, er, friends, strategically situated on the platform exchanging tongues, with hands down the others pants.

Yes I know I will find similar behavior at the city council meeting, the PTA or a VFW meeting. So I really need to work on my "feelings" about how I interpreted what I saw that day. This of course certifies me as a redneck homophobe.

Barry A. - 11-7-2013 at 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by DavidE
I do not have experience with "gays" anywhere except for an unfortunate (for me) encounter with a "Gay Pride" parade in downtown San Francisco near Union Square.

Too many of the participants were in-your-face aggressive. I hauled my new coat to the BART station only to find two, er, friends, strategically situated on the platform exchanging tongues, with hands down the others pants.

Yes I know I will find similar behavior at the city council meeting, the PTA or a VFW meeting. So I really need to work on my "feelings" about how I interpreted what I saw that day. This of course certifies me as a redneck homophobe.

In my case, I mostly stay out of San Francisco and have done so for many years--------I don't need to see stuff like that. Too bad because it is a beautiful city, with great food, but hey, who needs THAT kind of in-your-face wierd stuff in their life. I can't really say it upsets me, but I know I would rather not see it, so I don't go there--------I am not big on Halloween-addicted-adults, either, for roughly the same reasons. It's all very strange to me.

Barry

motoged - 11-7-2013 at 11:55 AM

Yeah.....San Francisco is over run with all those queers.

It's like EVERYBODY in SF is a homo or a lezzie just fornicating all the time all over the place....and they all probably want to steal our children and brainwash them into this lefty commie mindset so they can abuse them.

I'm sick of all this crap where people can do that even in the privacy of their own homes.

You never see normal people kissing, hugging, or twerking in public.

Why can't everybody just be like me?

:lol:

Get a grip you guys :rolleyes:

For those who don't sense my sarcasm....please do. :saint:

Barry A. - 11-7-2013 at 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
Yeah.....San Francisco is over run with all those queers.

It's like EVERYBODY in SF is a homo or a lezzie just fornicating all the time all over the place....and they all probably want to steal our children and brainwash them into this lefty commie mindset so they can abuse them.

I'm sick of all this crap where people can do that even in the privacy of their own homes.

You never see normal people kissing, hugging, or twerking in public.

Why can't everybody just be like me?

:lol:

Get a grip you guys :rolleyes:

For those who don't sense my sarcasm....please do. :saint:

Hmmmmm, now THAT is a strange over-reaction. I did not hear ANYBODY say what you say here-------only what our true feelings were. I don't really care what the gays and lesbians do as long as it's not in-my-face (like they often DO do in SF), so I stay away---------you apparently have a problem with my feelings and actions, and THAT is YOUR problem.

By the way, what's "twerking"??

Barry

DENNIS - 11-7-2013 at 12:39 PM

Years back, and I've been told not much has changed, Santa Rosalia was like a Poodle Show. Prissy little men prancing around everywhere.....especially at the hotel.
I'm also told that Mulege has taken their overload and now they're sashaying all over the place there.

Jeeezo....there goes the species. Sea turtles will make a comeback and take over the Baja.

Are there gay turtles?

DENNIS - 11-7-2013 at 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
all those queers.

It's "them" queers. Not those queers. if you're gonna say redneck things, you gotta talk like a redneck.

Yeah.....what IS twerking?

motoged - 11-7-2013 at 01:29 PM

My exaggerated parody is not aimed at anyone in particular....except maybe "them" rednecks/intolerants... :biggrin:

Cypress - 11-7-2013 at 01:30 PM

Everybody wants to pick on us rednecks. :biggrin:

motoged - 11-7-2013 at 01:39 PM

Yeah, it's a thankless job :biggrin:

Gypsy Jan - 11-7-2013 at 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Years back, and I've been told not much has changed, Santa Rosalia was like a Poodle Show. Prissy little men prancing around everywhere.....especially at the hotel.
I'm also told that Mulege has taken their overload and now they're sashaying all over the place there.

Jeeezo....there goes the species. Sea turtles will make a comeback and take over the Baja.

Are there gay turtles?

Dennis, if there are, they rapidly become "there used to be".

Not for nothing does the term "Breeders" exist.

DENNIS - 11-7-2013 at 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy Jan

Dennis, if there are, they rapidly become "there used to be".

Not for nothing does the term "Breeders" exist.

Ohhh my......Jan is gay bashing . :lol:

Bajamatic - 11-7-2013 at 03:41 PM

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CULVER CITY - Tacomiendo

That place is indeed THE GRINDS. You'd have to add PEPE'S to that list, though.

What an interesting thread. Dennis, clearly you're not gay, so how the EFF would you know if someone is born gay or not?

You have no clue, and you have no interest in figuring out the truth (which requires acceptance and understanding of another human being's views and experiences). I EFF my wife all the time - and there's no way in HELL I'm doing it for another kid - two is MORE than enough. So I guess you could say I do it for the orgasm. And, by your logic, I guess you could say I'm gay. Cool.

PS - where's Skeet when you need him? We need some REAL gas on this fire.

willardguy - 11-7-2013 at 04:20 PM

I think what we need here is a gay forum, to go along with the old sick folks forum

no wait, maybe a pro-gay forum and an anti-gay forum! too bad our only openly gay member jumped ship! :rolleyes:

mulegemichael - 11-7-2013 at 04:32 PM

i aint seen no stinkin' "sashaying" goin on in mulege...maybe i'm not lookin'...

DENNIS - 11-7-2013 at 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Bajamatic

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CULVER CITY - Tacomiendo

Show me the truth. I want to know the truth. Give me a reference that isn't written and supported by rainbow flag wavers.
Since you know, as you say, I have no clue,.....that means you must. Put it up here....or forever hold your peace.....or piece, as you reference your wife for reasons of distancing yourself from gay labels. [ I EFF my wife all the time]
Wadda stud.

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And, by your logic, I guess you could say I'm gay.

No. I'd just say you don't have a clue as to how to stage an argument.

Clue [1]----Start with facts. Sometimes they're irrefutable.

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PS - where's Skeet when you need him? We need some REAL gas on this fire.

I didn't realize Skeet was gay....only Texan. :lol:

Anyway...thanks for the chat.

DENNIS - 11-7-2013 at 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
i aint seen no stinkin' "sashaying" goin on in mulege...maybe i'm not lookin'...

Look closer. :lol:

DanO - 11-7-2013 at 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by Bajamatic

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CULVER CITY - Tacomiendo

That place is indeed THE GRINDS. You'd have to add PEPE'S to that list, though.

Haven't been to Pepe's but I drove past it last weekend on my way to my storage locker. Will have to check it out.

Bajahowodd - 11-7-2013 at 05:07 PM

The simple fact is that in years gone by, the only evident representatives of the gay community were the those flamboyant, over the top folks such as Ru Paul.

What has happened over the past decade, one by one, courageous gays have come out publicly. Simple fact is there are gay doctors, scientists, teachers, actors, legislators, business leaders and what not. The past decade has witnessed the coming out of so many closeted gays who all along have been working hard for the betterment of society. Once the average person was able to digest what just happened, they became much more tolerant.

For the record, I am only three years younger than Dennis, and married to a woman. but I have, for a really long time, been saddened by the discrimination that has existed.

Gay people absolutely are no threat to anyone in our society.

DavidE - 11-7-2013 at 05:35 PM

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Are there gay turtles?

Yeah, when a guy hears a baritone voice behind him exclaim "Ooooo you got such a cute toosh" it sorta takes the bloom off the rose.

Barry A. - 11-7-2013 at 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
The simple fact is that in years gone by, the only evident representatives of the gay community were the those flamboyant, over the top folks such as Ru Paul.

What has happened over the past decade, one by one, courageous gays have come out publicly. Simple fact is there are gay doctors, scientists, teachers, actors, legislators, business leaders and what not. The past decade has witnessed the coming out of so many closeted gays who all along have been working hard for the betterment of society. Once the average person was able to digest what just happened, they became much more tolerant.

For the record, I am only three years younger than Dennis, and married to a woman. but I have, for a really long time, been saddened by the discrimination that has existed.

Gay people absolutely are no threat to anyone in our society.

I agree totally with you, Howard, however as always there ARE consequences for the way one acts and what one says, in ANY society. There are some things that it is just better to keep mostly to yourselves, less you experience consequences not to your liking or comfort. It is just the way it is with humans, IMO. Try and force an issue on others usually causes resentment, and / or worse, sadly.

Like USA citizens trying to force change on Mexican Society, it ususally doesn't work, and in fact often backfires.

Just my opinion and observations, of course.

Barry

motoged - 11-7-2013 at 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
.....Like USA citizens trying to force change on Mexican Society, it ususally doesn't work, and in fact often backfires....Barry

Yes, such is the outcome of such "foreign policy"...

Bajahowodd - 11-7-2013 at 06:03 PM

First, as for Barry's comments, it appears to me that equality is winning. As I mentioned in my prior post, there are innumerable gay folk who are living their lives, raising children and working positively in their communities.

I was once considered to be a hippie. I actually was in the march from Selma to Montgomery, having rode on a bus from Georgetown. And yes, Bill Clinton was a classmate of mine. My point is that from a very young age, I have always advocated equal treatment for all.

Again, I want to say that the flamboyant types that were once the face of the queer community, are an infinitesimal amount.

That said, I consider Dennis a friend. He is smart, and funny. And in no way was anything that I have posted to be considered a diss of Dennis. He is a stand up fellow.

bledito - 11-7-2013 at 06:05 PM

wasn,t it HIV that was rampant in the gay community some years ago, and is still prevalent today. that is a threat.

DENNIS - 11-7-2013 at 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
And in no way was anything that I have posted to be considered a diss of Dennis. He is a stand up fellow.

Thanks, amigo mio.

OK.....I'll pay for the movie, but you have to pony up for the popcorn.

DENNIS - 11-7-2013 at 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by bledito
wasn,t it HIV that was rampant in the gay community some years ago, and is still prevalent today. that is a threat.

Seems to be under control for those who are concerned. Certainly not the scourge it was in the 60s and 70s.

It continues to be , as you say, a threat.....not only for gays.

Bajamatic - 11-7-2013 at 06:55 PM

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The burden of proof lies on you. I didn't make the statement that they are born one way or another. I said you don't have a clue, being a heterosexual. I'm simply pointing out that your argument is kinda hypocritical; Simply stating that there is no proof to the contrary isn't the equivalent of proving your own argument.

Yeah Aids Has Made Doctor Appointments So Much More Fun These Days

DavidE - 11-7-2013 at 06:59 PM

Bajamatic - 11-7-2013 at 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by DanO

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Originally posted by Bajamatic

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CULVER CITY - Tacomiendo

That place is indeed THE GRINDS. You'd have to add PEPE'S to that list, though.

Haven't been to Pepe's but I drove past it last weekend on my way to my storage locker. Will have to check it out.

Oh you have to try the Al Pastor. I believe it's the SECOND best authentic taco joint in L.A. #1 being Ricky's Fish Tacos in chinatown.

Also of great importance up here is Guerrilla Tacos. DO NOT MISS THAT! He's in Culver City in the mornings but you have to look him up on twitter to find out where.

Bajamatic - 11-7-2013 at 07:13 PM

I withdraw from this debate with one last entry. As it stands today, aside from the testimony of people who are gay (which pretty much rules out any and all expertise on the matter) there exists really only one study, but I doubt if you will consider it proof enough to change your mind - so be it. Here's the link regardless. I find it interesting that the gene happens to be called the "fuc-m" gene.

http://scienceblogs.com/neurophilosophy/2010/07/15/researche...

DENNIS - 11-7-2013 at 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by Bajamatic
I withdraw from this debate with one last entry. As it stands today, aside from the testimony of people who are gay (which pretty much rules out any and all expertise on the matter) there exists really only one study, but I doubt if you will consider it proof enough to change your mind - so be it. Here's the link regardless. I find it interesting that the gene happens to be called the "fuc-m" gene.

http://scienceblogs.com/neurophilosophy/2010/07/15/researche...

Lesbian mice? Butch bats? Rodents in flannel shirts? :lol:

Ohhhmygawd. I'm done here.
Thanks for the entertainment.

Kgryfon - 11-7-2013 at 10:09 PM

"Not for nothing does the term "Breeders" exist."

Yes, and where do you think all the gay people are coming from? Hatched? The breeders are breeding. Some of their children are gay. Fact of life. Always has been. Accept it and move on.

Gay people don't breed gay people. :rolleyes:

JoeJustJoe - 11-8-2013 at 12:19 AM

I don't know about the tolerance in Baja, but the tolerance on "Baja Nomad" seems to be pretty much non-existent, except for a few enlightened members.

I think I know why. I already discussed that according to polls, on average the older you are the more intolerant you are towards gays, and the younger you are the more accepting you are towards gays, and this is so for a variety of reasons that I'm not going to go into right now.

However there is something else that may be going on here, and it has to do with homophobia,homosexual arousal, and a well known study that was done many years ago, and has since been duplicated many times over and over again.

It would seem that so-called straight men that show hostility or homophobic views towards gays, that they themselves are consciously or unconsciously sexually attracted to the same sex or other men!

When the tolerant straight men look at pictures of naked men, there is no reaction, and no homosexual arousal, however when the homophobes looks at pictures of naked men, their bodies show signs of sexual arousal. They are getting turned on if they admit it or not. The guys with the live and let life attitude show no sexual response to pictures of naked men, and really could care less with what gays do in their lives.

It's pretty obvious the homophobes have latent sexual same-sex desires and they lash out against gays, because they are feeling very uncomfortable around gays, or in other words they are getting hot and bothered. They may also strike out against gays to hide their same-sex desires from themselves and others. It's as if they're saying, "look if I hate gays, bash gays, and says things like, " They are shoving their life style down our throats." The homophobe might really be thinking about something else going down his throat.
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Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?

The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/general-science/is-homopho...

DavidE - 11-8-2013 at 05:59 AM

Wimmins?
Yeah I saw that too in that four hour stretch in Fran Sasisco. Pairs of 'em. You could tell immediately cause one of 'em was always uglier than a mile of mud fence.

Mexico may tolerate gays but the less militant ones that I have listened at want to go north of the border. Mostly to Hollyweird. Gays get beat up in Mexico and the cops just laugh at them. México does not send out a federal task force armed with warrants to arrest the culprits. When I encountered people of lifestyle X down here they were absolutely nowhere as near militant obnoxious and flagrant with social gaffs as their counterparts north of the rio bravo.

But gay friendly? Ah c'mon. It's "yeah I'm really a retired CIA agent" time. What really disgusts me is the fact that people make up the wildest most outrageous stories about this country and there is always a waiting audience of customers that absorb their krap as gospel simply because "After All We Talking About Mexico Here!"

mcfez - 11-8-2013 at 07:39 AM

"..........I don't know about the tolerance in Baja, but the tolerance on "Baja Nomad" seems to be pretty much non-existent, except for a few enlightened members.

I agree with Joe here...........there is a lot of anti garbage going on.

Mexico has always had gay clubs. This is nothing new. Advertising such a club might be a new trend however. I suppose the Mexican old timers may have an issue with the gay/lesbian lifestyle...........such as the old timers of America. Old traditional families are accepting the changes......have been for many decades.

Advertising a gay club can bring negative responses to the front door.....from the few that are blinded by bias and outright racist thoughts embedded in their tiny brain. Is it worthy to go public of such a establishment in Mexico? Absolutely. The same question was asked in the United States not too long ago. Most Mexican citizens do accept or couldn't care less about these clubs/establishments......such as it is with the United States citizens ......and many other countries.

The subject about the flamboyant folks, over the top folks such as Ru Paul..........I'll say this much about it: In the 1980's and 90's, I built and operated corner bars to Night Clubs. Three of these locations were opened for the gay community. One in Sacramento....the others in downtown San Francisco. MOST gay/lesbian folks do not accept the flamboyant crowd. They do not accept the outrages over the cliff behaviors.

Gay and lesbian couples (and singles) live a life style such as their counterparts....the straights. This is where the clubs and other establishments that advertise their business......makes their money......from the non drama queen crowd. This is why advertising such places in Mexican....will be accepted.

Just my two cents worth from a long experience...........

[Edited on 11-8-2013 by mcfez]

monoloco - 11-8-2013 at 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

I don't believe homosexuals are born as such. I believe everybody is a product of their environment.

How do you explain the cases of twins where one is gay and one is straight?

Chupacabra - 11-8-2013 at 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Simple fact is there are gay doctors, scientists, teachers, actors, legislators, business leaders and what not.

Also at least one construction worker, cowboy, cop, indian, sailor, and biker.

http://officialvillagepeople.com/

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