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Proof of income amount

bajachris - 11-8-2013 at 07:32 PM

Does anyone know how much proof of income one needs to retire or live in Mexico? They are asking for this in immigration?

bledito - 11-8-2013 at 07:35 PM

How much you got ? :biggrin:

dtbushpilot - 11-8-2013 at 08:12 PM

It depends on what you want to do and where you are, hopefully you aren't in La Paz, "new sheriff in town", new rules, no reason, no common sense, the rules and requirements change from day to day, location to location, person to person....welcome to MX immigration...

I have been trying to get my residente permanente status for over a month now, it isn't going to happen, you wouldn't believe the hoops I've jumpped through, I quit.....

[Edited on 11-9-2013 by dtbushpilot]

RnR - 11-8-2013 at 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by bajachris
Does anyone know how much proof of income one needs to retire or live in Mexico? They are asking for this in immigration?

From INM's website:

1. Monthly income of 500 times the daily minimum wage in Mexico City. Show six months of history.

OR

2. An account with a balance of 25,000 times the daily minimum wage in Mexico City. Show twelve months of history.

In US terms at today's exchange rate, about

1. $2,400 USD/month

OR

2. An account balance of $120,000 USD.

It's complicated..

Whale-ista - 11-8-2013 at 08:15 PM

I will send you a u2u with this info, courtesy of Mulagena .

DENNIS - 11-8-2013 at 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by RnR

1. $2,400 USD/month

I don't think you need that much for "Residente Temporada" which you can maintain endlessly. Problem is, it has to be periodically renewed

dtbushpilot - 11-8-2013 at 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by RnR

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Originally posted by bajachris
Does anyone know how much proof of income one needs to retire or live in Mexico? They are asking for this in immigration?

I would respectfully say that the IMM web site doesn't mean squat. It is up to the interpretation of the local IMM boss. I don't know if my facilitator did something to pi$$ him off or what is up but I know that I had all the documentation you list, not either or, but both. Not one account for both me and my wife but separate accounts in each of our names showing both income and total funds required. I was asked for proof that I was retired, he wanted a letter from the US government proving that we were retired! I had the company that we worked for send a letter showing our retirement dates and stating that we recieved a pension from the company but that wasn't satisfactory, he wanted our official retirement letter from the US government that all US citizens get from the government when they retire......no, really....you can't make this stuff up.

We won't be getting our P/R designation this year.....

paul r - 11-8-2013 at 08:52 PM

chris, here's how it worked for me, I just did it in San Diego at the Mexican consulate... you must "show" , ( three months of bank statements ), of at least $2100 of "income", being an outlaw, I had "mail deposits" that added up to $2100... on my bank statements... if your, respectful, careful and polite and have all the other paperwork covered there will be no problem... speaking or attempting to speak their language is a plus... be ready for mistakes, I went and had a "talk" first, took notes and returned three months later and presto!!!... buena suerta amigo

bajachris - 11-8-2013 at 08:55 PM

Thanks all! Your all so helpful!

RnR - 11-8-2013 at 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
... he wanted our official retirement letter from the US government that all US citizens get from the government when they retire......no, really....you can't make this stuff up.

We won't be getting our P/R designation this year.....

Sorry to hear the La Paz office has turned against giving P/R status. It's my wife's turn to start this in about 6 weeks. This does not bode well.....

It's interesting how HE phrased the request for the proof of retirement letter. I was asked for the EXACT same letter in EXACTLY the same manner about ten years ago.

By a bank official when I tried to open a bank account??????

I told the bank that no such letter exists. The bank official then pulled out somebody else's letter from the Social Security Administration showing how much their benefit check would be and said "You need a letter just like this guy's. You are not retired until you receive the letter??????"

I just went to a different bank.....

That's not an option with INM.

But it's very interesting that there seems to be this myth about an official retirement letter from the US Govt showing income.

[Edited on 11-9-2013 by RnR]

Katiejay99 - 11-9-2013 at 05:55 AM

I used a facilitator last year and finally went down to INM myself because of problems my facilitator was having, The guy at INM told me that they didn't want facilitators there, they wanted the actual person. My paperwork was rushed right through once I got involved.

Edit to say this was in La Paz.

[Edited on 11-9-2013 by Katiejay99]

ccorbridge - 11-9-2013 at 07:10 AM

the Calexico Consulate was fairly easy for resident temporale. Needed 12 months of $100K balance in investments. Or 6 months of income $2000/mo proved by bank statements and/or SS letter. 4 yrs temporale then on to permanente. English was spoken. I emailed first for requirements. Waited for about 3 hrs in lobby. only glitch was the income/investments must be in the same account for the entire time.

larryC - 11-9-2013 at 07:27 AM

If it was me I would go into the INM office and ask them how much income is required, and then scan my bank statement and using photoshop make my statement say double what they want to see. But that's just me.
Larry

bajaguy - 11-9-2013 at 08:33 AM

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Originally posted by RnR

But it's very interesting that there seems to be this myth about an official retirement letter from the US Govt showing income.

[Edited on 11-9-2013 by RnR]

I'm sure with a little creativity you could "obtain" that letter from the US Bureau of Retirement :lol:

bufeo - 11-9-2013 at 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by bajaguy

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Originally posted by RnR

But it's very interesting that there seems to be this myth about an official retirement letter from the US Govt showing income.

[Edited on 11-9-2013 by RnR]

I'm sure with a little creativity you could "obtain" that letter from the US Bureau of Retirement...

Do you think that someone might have used the SSA letter most folks receive just prior to that "magic date" (wherein projected income is noted) and called that an "Official Retirement" letter?

...or am I just stating the obvious?

Allen R

calexico counsulate

akshadow - 11-9-2013 at 08:56 AM

Did you need to get the documents translated into Spanish?

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Originally posted by ccorbridge
the Calexico Consulate was fairly easy for resident temporale. Needed 12 months of $100K balance in investments. Or 6 months of income $2000/mo proved by bank statements and/or SS letter. 4 yrs temporale then on to permanente. English was spoken. I emailed first for requirements. Waited for about 3 hrs in lobby. only glitch was the income/investments must be in the same account for the entire time.

greengoes - 11-9-2013 at 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

I don't think you need that much for "Residente Temporada" which you can maintain endlessly. Problem is, it has to be periodically renewed

Due to the new laws, after four years of Residente Temporal you must go to Residente Permanente. You can't renew them indefinitely any longer.

INM website - http://www.inm.gob.mx/index.php/page/Solicitud_de_Estancia

[Edited on 11-9-2013 by greengoes]

greengoes - 11-9-2013 at 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by larryC
If it was me I would go into the INM office and ask them how much income is required, and then scan my bank statement and using photoshop make my statement say double what they want to see. But that's just me.
Larry

Just make sure to print it out in color and hit with a few rubber stamps using green and red ink...it impresses.

Udo - 11-9-2013 at 09:27 AM

Dave, I received my Residente Permanente card at the Mexican Consulate in Santa Ana, Ca. After I showed them all the paperwork required plus two passport photos, the issued me and Jana a card the same day.

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
It depends on what you want to do and where you are, hopefully you aren't in La Paz, "new sheriff in town", new rules, no reason, no common sense, the rules and requirements change from day to day, location to location, person to person....welcome to MX immigration...

I have been trying to get my residente permanente status for over a month now, it isn't going to happen, you wouldn't believe the hoops I've jumpped through, I quit.....

[Edited on 11-9-2013 by dtbushpilot]

question

huesos - 11-9-2013 at 09:42 AM

I realize that I am completely behind the curve but why will I need this temporary residence status if I live North of Ensenada?

durrelllrobert - 11-9-2013 at 09:43 AM

I don't know where you are located or what immigration status you are trying to obtain but in my case to go from an FM2 to a RP status at the INM office in Ensenada I did not have to provide any bank statements or other proof of income.

Since my wife is classified as my dependent she went from an FM3 to a RP without having to provide anything either. We both did all the paperwork ourselves and the people in the Ensenada office speak English.

BajaBlanca - 11-9-2013 at 09:50 AM

Dave, you are right to be frustrated. What a mess and for no good reason.

bajachris - 11-9-2013 at 02:05 PM

Do u really want to let the government in Mexico know that you have $100,000 in savings? Wouldn't that put a target on your back? I know every government agency is honest and all, but what's to say the information gets into the wrongs hands.....

RnR - 11-9-2013 at 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by bajachris
Do u really want to let the government in Mexico know that you have $100,000 in savings? Wouldn't that put a target on your back? I know every government agency is honest and all, but what's to say the information gets into the wrongs hands.....

Gotta agree....

Then just show sufficient income. It's either/or, not both.

Mulegena - 11-9-2013 at 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by RnR

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Gotta agree....

Then just show sufficient income. It's either/or, not both.

Regarding bank statements:
Leave your name(s) only.
Remove by white-out your personal info. including your address and especially the account number.

bajagrouper - 11-10-2013 at 07:10 AM

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Originally posted by huesos
I realize that I am completely behind the curve but why will I need this temporary residence status if I live North of Ensenada?

So north of Ensenada is not Mexico?

You can just do a border run every 180 days and live on an FMM........

bajaguy - 11-10-2013 at 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by bajagrouper

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Originally posted by huesos
I realize that I am completely behind the curve but why will I need this temporary residence status if I live North of Ensenada?

So north of Ensenada is not Mexico?

You can just do a border run every 180 days and live on an FMM........

The operative word is "LIVE", not "tourist" or "visit". Why encourage illegal behavior.......just because "everyone does it"????

Be legal and get the temporary resident card.

Hook - 11-10-2013 at 07:59 AM

Is there any country that is a bigger bureaucratic mess than Mexico? How could there be? And yet she aspires to be more than just a third world country.

I can understand political messes like our US politicians frequently get into. It's a clash of values with some showmanship mixed in.

But once a law is a law, the US bureaucrats are on the same page 99% of the time, with respect to administering the law.

I cant think of a Mexican agency that gets it right even 50% of the time.......

Mulegena - 11-10-2013 at 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by bajaguy

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Originally posted by bajagrouper

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Originally posted by huesos
I realize that I am completely behind the curve but why will I need this temporary residence status if I live North of Ensenada?

So north of Ensenada is not Mexico?

You can just do a border run every 180 days and live on an FMM........

The operative word is "LIVE", not "tourist" or "visit". Why encourage illegal behavior.......just because "everyone does it"????

Be legal and get the temporary resident card.

The verbage "north of Ensenada" or "live vs. visit" is irrelevant in determining temporary residency eligibility.
if you plan to be in Mexico 180 days or less, it is perfectly legal and appropriate to hold only a tourist visa. This is a particularly valid practice if you don't own property or have legal holdings in-country.
To do so is not illegal.

Edited to add that one can buy and sell property in Mexico on a tourist visa, too; not illegal.
The operative in determining visas begins with the time one spends in-country.

[Edited on 11-10-2013 by Mulegena]

binky - 11-10-2013 at 09:41 AM

I am delaying RP status as if I get it I will have to sell my beloved car (US plated) as RPs cannot keep a US car and must get a Mexican plated car.

It's something to keep in mind.

bajaguy - 11-10-2013 at 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by binky
I am delaying RP status as if I get it I will have to sell my beloved car (US plated) as RPs cannot keep a US car and must get a Mexican plated car.

It's something to keep in mind.

You may want to research this further. When we picked up our RP cards, I asked the Ensenada INM office about that and was told that provision of the RP status only applies to the mainland, not the Frontier (Baja)

durrelllrobert - 11-10-2013 at 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
Is there any country that is a bigger bureaucratic mess than Mexico? How could there be? And yet she aspires to be more than just a third world country.

Yep, that would be the US Immigration office. After 2 years and spending close to $2k trying to get my Canadian wife a Permanent Resident card for the US she was sent a letter to appear at the US Consulate in Juarez for a physical exam and an interview.

Between the various exams in different areas of the privately owned clinic and the waiting in between they took more than 4 hours.
MEXICO DOES NOT REQUIRE PHYSICALEXAMINATIONS FOR THEIR RPs.

Next she stood in line for about 2 hours for her interview and even though we had provided all the documentation they had requested it took the interviewer 2 hours more to tell her request for the US RP card was being rejecedt because she did not provide proof that she was involved in a PHYSICAL RELATIONSHIP with me and that without it they could only assume that she had only married me 2 years earlier to get the RP. When she asked what they meant by "physical" relationship she was told they meant a sexual relationship. Then she asked what kind of proof was required to show that and was told we don't need photos but some written statements from third parties attesting to the fact that they KNOW for a fact that you are having sex with your husband (??did they watch??).
MEXICO DOES NOT ASK FOR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

We forged a couple of letters stating what they asked for and requested a second interview in Juarez to appeal their decision. Three months later it was scheduled and we again drove to Juarez. This time the interview only took about 6 hours waiting and presenting the "PROOF"and she was finally approved.

Then she was told that she would have to pick up the approval letter at the DHL office because it had to be officially delivered and they could not just hand it to her. Since it was late in the day DHL would not get it until the next AM so we had to spend another night in Juarez.
MEXICO JUST HANDS YOU THEIR RP CARD.

When she picked up her package the instructions inside stated that she would have to WALK across the bridge to the immigration office in El Paso where they would issue her a Temporary Permanent Resident card (good for 1 year) so that she could enter the US and that process took another 4 hours of mostly waiting.

In the meantime I drove across the bridge and there was no parking at the office so I had to go into town to find a parking lot and take a cab back to the office.

IN MEXICO EVERYTHING IS DONE IN THE SAME OFFICE AND THEIR IS NO SUCH THING AS A "TEMPORARY" PERMANRNT RESIDENT.

I'll take the Mexican "bureaucratic mess" any day.

Hook - 11-11-2013 at 02:22 PM

Your Canadian wife wants a permanent resident card for the US and you applied for it in Mexico at a US consulate?

Anyway, you missed my point, Bob. Regardless of whether you think getting this card made you jump through a lot of unnecessary hoops, EVERYONE IN THE SAME SITUATION HAS TO JUMP THROUGH THE SAME HOOPS, 99% OF THE TIME IN THE US.

In Mexico, there are a closet full of hoops. Each individual bureaucrat has his own set of hoops in that closet. In fact, each one has a set for each day of the week. Then, there are the hoops they favor on days they are in a bad mood.

This set of hoops is NOT interchangeable from office to office.

And, of course, some of the OLD hoops from the previous set of hoop rules are also in this closet.

All of this creates HOOPLA...........

DavidE - 11-11-2013 at 03:04 PM

It's no joke that the head of SECTUR drunkenly joked several years ago...

"Mexico wants the extraneous to fly in, blow a hundred thousand pesos in a week and then leave."

En Vino Veritus

The Cash Cow with jaundiced eye

Mulegena - 11-11-2013 at 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE
It's no joke that the head of SECTUR drunkenly joked several years ago...

"Mexico wants the extraneous to fly in, blow a hundred thousand pesos in a week and then leave."

En Vino Veritus

Your quote "... extraneous to... blow... and leave." rings with some truth, although you may have translated by faux pas a double endendre the Spanish word "extranjeros". As you know extranjeros means foreigners, which is how I often feel the foreigners here are perceived, as curiously extraneous, their monied presence accepted, needed, but never to be integrated fully.

As far as the requirement to obtain advanced visa status, i.e. beyond the simple $250peso tourist visa, the need to hire facilitators and obtain increasingly expensive residency visas, well, that in itself brings in alot of revenue, legal and illegal, above-board and under-the-table.

If you study the requirements for visas there's very little reason for many, if not most, foreigners to have more than the simple tourist visa. Think about it. Even if you're a property owner or business owner, you're perfectly legal to have a tourist visa and leave the country twice a year and return with a new tourist visa.

If you do happen to be committed to a lifetime in the country, never leave, then the more costly Temporary and Permanent Resident visas or becoming an immigrant and obtaining Mexican citizenship are warranted, imo.