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Beach House 71 miles South of San Felipe

area51captive - 12-1-2013 at 09:43 PM

Large house with sandy beachfront, in great location on Sea of Cortez where the water is always warmer than the Pacific Ocean. Self-contained house with generator for electricty, 200 gal water tank on roof for sinks, toilet, and shower. Camp has a fresh-water well less than 2 miles away. Fishing, exploring, photography, prospecting, and all ocean sports (kayak, windsurfing, boating, diving, fishing) available by launhing your boat on the camp boatramp or over the beach right in front of the house. There are 5 islands nearby (1 has a seal rookery) and miles of canyons and uninhabited beach to cruise for shells and treasures. Do you have a quad, dunebuggy, 4X4, or motorcycle? 2 large propane-powered refrigerators, propane stove w/oven, propane tankless water heater in bathroom. There are only 23 homes on over 1½ miles of beach. Front room is glassed-in with double pane windows. Storage shed has air compressor, extra generator and water pumps. This place is great for families, groups (big built-in BBQ), ecotouring (birds, dolphins, sea lions). Live in shorts and flip-flops!!! Only 20 minutes on new, paved highway to a gas station, restaurants, grocery store, propane exchange and water purification plant. Price is for the house only which is on a "lot". Lot rent is $700 per year. The geographical coordinates are 30°07'08.53" N 114° 37'40.54"W (copy and paste into google maps or google earth and then zoom in to see an aerial overview). Email for more details or questions. $17000 I have to learn how to post pictures!!!

Elena La Loca - 12-1-2013 at 09:55 PM

Bufeo Norte?

watizname - 12-1-2013 at 10:03 PM

Photos please.

Desertbull - 12-1-2013 at 10:06 PM

Nah, it's right off El Huerfanito island...the front window looks out to the island...

Windsurfers delight! :bounce::bounce::bounce:

area51captive - 12-2-2013 at 03:16 PM

El Huerfanito it is!! Wish I could attach some photos but the tutorial says attachments up to 50kb and all my photos are 300 or better. If anyone is interested I can send pictures from grrreat@gmail.com

Photo's from Craigslist

Jaybo - 12-2-2013 at 04:00 PM

Here are the photo's from their Craigslist ad.

EL HUERFANITO AREA

David K - 12-2-2013 at 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by area51captive
El Huerfanito it is!! Wish I could attach some photos but the tutorial says attachments up to 50kb and all my photos are 300 or better. If anyone is interested I can send pictures from grrreat@gmail.com


There is another way, and not attaching them... but by linking to another web site... Here is how (posted many times):

1) Make an album on Photobucket.com for the subject or group of photos... or just to put photos you want to share on Nomad and other forums.

2) To set the size of the photos (does not reduce the quality) to fit here you click on your name at the top of the Photobucket page.

Click on User Settings.

Click on Albums (top of page). Scroll down and see Upload Options and just below that is 'Customize Upload Options', click on that.

Click 800 x 600 for maps or max. size to fill the Nomad page or click 640 x 480 for large size photos that don't fill the page. Nomad is an 800 pixel wide frame, and if you don't resize to 800 or less, the entire page will stretch off the standard monitor and require sideways scrolling. You only need to do this step once or if you wish to change it.

Click SAVE.

3) Click on the big Upload box at the top center of the Photobucket page and simply select the photos you want from your PC folder.
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To show your photos on a Nomad page:

1) Place your mouse on the thumbnail photo in your Photobucket album and select the IMG link of the links box that pops up or is already there, copy that IMG link with your mouse (left click, right click, click copy).

2) On your Nomad post, paste the photo link by right clicking your mouse, and click paste.

Add a caption below the photo if desired and double space between photo links so there is a separation between them.

I suggest not posting too many photo per Nomad post so those with slow upload speeds can also enjoy them... maybe every dozen pictures start a new reply/post?


The Craig's List Photos can be shown easily... Just right click on the photo, copy the URL, use the photo tabs button, paste the URL... Here are some done for you...

Here are (some of) the photos from Craig's List










Pasting Potos

area51captive - 12-2-2013 at 05:50 PM

Thank you, David K I sincerely appreciate not just the information but also adding the pictures. I have to work over the next few days but then I'll be experimenting with your advice. When we cross paths in Baja, the Coronas are on me!!
Thanks again

David K - 12-2-2013 at 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by area51captive
Thank you, David K I sincerely appreciate not just the information but also adding the pictures. I have to work over the next few days but then I'll be experimenting with your advice. When we cross paths in Baja, the Coronas are on me!!
Thanks again


The pleasure is all mine... Perhaps show me around Area 51 someday!?

Tours

area51captive - 12-7-2013 at 05:45 PM

Tours of "the Playpen" as we call it, are available. You must know that it's a 1-way trip!! If you like Baja, you certainly wouldn't like the playpen. The interior of the underground floors (which is all that is used) is all polished cement and linoleum--alien body fluids are very sticky and difficult to clean-up

I really appreciate the opportunity to advertise my beach house on Baja Nomad. Does anyone know of any other places to get the word out? As noted above, I have an ad on craigslist and I had an ad on San Felipe.net plus there are signs at the highway.

Such a wonderful place and so many good times and memories.

treuboff - 12-7-2013 at 08:00 PM

Nacho Nieblas fish camp

churro - 12-7-2013 at 09:58 PM

Looks very nice! you say the rent is $700 per year? is that a 10 year lease? I will be down that way at the end of the month.... i will stop by

David K - 12-7-2013 at 10:29 PM

There are other Baja forums, but none as 'active' as Baja Nomad.
TalkBaja.com may be next, and many of us post there also.

The next place to post is BloodyDecks.com, a popular fisherman's forum. I don't post there, so I don't know if they have a classified ad forum?

I am not sure about the status of the El Huerfanito 'airport'... I know there was originally two runways, and they date back to the early 1970's or before. If a runway is still open, maybe ask a pilot here on Nomad to post an ad for you on Baja Bush Pilots forum... You have to join them to see or use their forum...

Best of luck on your sale!






area51captive - 12-8-2013 at 05:51 PM

Thanks to all for the help and interest. The area used to be known as Nacho"s camp but it's divided into 5 separate camps nowadays. Nacho's part is now run ½ by 1 son and ½ by another. The airport fell into disrepair years ago (more than 20) and is no longer desired by the camp owners as there were a couple of mysterious landings during the height of the drug interdiction period by the Mexican Army who eventually dug trenches across the landing strips just like other airstrips in the area. In fact, just across the highway from the camps is still an army post that is used irregularly by the Army to review vehicle traffic. The Army also patrols in groups of 10 by pick-up truck around camp. The nearest landing areas are Puerticitos to the north and Brisas del Mar to the south.

Poster Churro, I'll be in camp about the 7th of Jan. I look forward to meeting you. The $700 is annual and I have never asked for a lease but I bet you could get one. The area was really remote and difficult to get to in the "old days". Nobody was sure they would make it another year so the lot rent was always year-to-year. I guess old habits are hard to change.

David K thanks, again, for the extra help. Why is it I'm discovering so many great people just when my time in Baja is coming to an end? I registered at TalkBaja and I'll try an ad there, too

I have to say that Baja Nomad is a great resource and I've only begun to explore other forums. Thanks to those responsible for its creation and maintenance.

treuboff - 12-8-2013 at 06:03 PM

Nacho works for younger bro. Pablo on and off. Who do you do the business with?

area51captive - 12-8-2013 at 06:30 PM

I pay rent to Nacho Sr's sister-in-law, Maria. Starting from the north there are five camps with Nacho's being the 2nd run by Nacho Jr and Gori, then our camp, then the owners of the former airport, Josefina and her son Jonny, and finally, Tano's camp. There are youtube videos of Tano's camp. Are you a neighbor? Thanks for the reply.

David K - 12-9-2013 at 12:15 AM

I remember first time at 'Nacho's El Huerfanito' (perhaps before it was Nacho's?)... On our trips to Gonzaga by Jeep Wagoneer, in the 60's... there was a home/ building on a big concrete slab... and several kids... my parents gave candy to. They sold sodas and beer, I guess... perhaps sportfishing was offered? It was right in front of The Little Orphan Island (El Huerfanito).

See 'Campo Huerfanito' on this 1970 Cliff Cross Map:



[Edited on 12-9-2013 by David K]

treuboff - 12-9-2013 at 01:13 AM

Pablo and Nacho have been our good friends for for about 12 years. We have been going to SF for about 25 years. We have never bought anything but the kids have established themselves and we will probably look for something to base ourselves out of. Retiring end of Dec. 14. Haven't dived the Island yet but Nacho says there are big Conchs to be had.

PaulW - 12-9-2013 at 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by David K
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I am not sure about the status of the El Huerfanito 'airport'... I know there was originally two runways, and they date back to the early 1970's or before. If a runway is still open, maybe ask a pilot here on Nomad to post an ad for you on Baja Bush Pilots forum... You have to join them to see or use their forum...


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His cords are for the airport which is where the Punta Bufeo homes & motel are. Yes, someone told me there have been recent landings. They have a constant battle to keep the sand drifts off the N-S runway. Punta Bufeo has some now homes.
El Huerfanito is slightly north for the airport by driving along the beach

[Edited on 12-9-2013 by BajaNomad]

On Google Earth

David K - 12-9-2013 at 09:37 AM

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Originally posted by PaulW
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
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I am not sure about the status of the El Huerfanito 'airport'... I know there was originally two runways, and they date back to the early 1970's or before. If a runway is still open, maybe ask a pilot here on Nomad to post an ad for you on Baja Bush Pilots forum... You have to join them to see or use their forum...


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His cords are for the airport which is where the Punta Bufeo homes & motel are. Yes, someone told me there have been recent landings. They have a constant battle to keep the sand drifts off the N-S runway. Punta Bufeo has some now homes.
El Huerfanito is slightly north for the airport by driving along the beach


Here is what my GE shows...

The Area from El Huerfanito (GPS waypoint) to Gonzaga Bay:



El Huerfanito Home GPS (at end of one of the abandoned runways):



About 20 miles south of El Huerfanito is Punta Bufeo...

Punta Bufeo camp and runway (parallel to beach):



AAA Map... zoom:



[Edited on 12-10-2013 by David K]

area51captive - 12-9-2013 at 09:41 PM

Kudos to each and every one of you for detailing and expanding on the thread.

David K you are 100% correct about the building on a big slab of cement. You must also have great (!?) memories of the road between Puertocitos and points south during the '60's, '70's, etc. Remember that big climb up to a small shrine? That building you referred to is still there but is a private home. It's still thought of lovingly as "The Cantina". Right in front is the cement boat ramp and channel constructed through the dedicated efforts of one, Col Bill (USAF). He traded for dynamite when the first new road construction was attempted. He pulled the bigger rocks with a 4X4 and blew up the really ones with the dynamite. But mostly, he hand carried or wheel barrowed most of them. We all used to gather around when an explosion was scheduled. That's where we learned that you shouldn't be looking after the blast--what goes up, comes down! If you ever get nearby, stop and look at the ramp and channel, especially at low tide.

Treuboff, congratulations on retirement. I tried about 1½ years and quickly found out that there wasn't enough $ coming in. The bills were all paid, but there simply wasn't any thing left over. So, back to work at least part-time.
I have dreamed of having a place in San Felipe ever since back when small aircraft used to taxi up and tie off right behind Arnold's Hotel (which is now the Malecon)

David K - 12-10-2013 at 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by area51captive
Kudos to each and every one of you for detailing and expanding on the thread.

David K you are 100% correct about the building on a big slab of cement. You must also have great (!?) memories of the road between Puertocitos and points south during the '60's, '70's, etc. Remember that big climb up to a small shrine? That building you referred to is still there but is a private home. It's still thought of lovingly as "The Cantina". Right in front is the cement boat ramp and channel constructed through the dedicated efforts of one, Col Bill (USAF). He traded for dynamite when the first new road construction was attempted. He pulled the bigger rocks with a 4X4 and blew up the really ones with the dynamite. But mostly, he hand carried or wheel barrowed most of them. We all used to gather around when an explosion was scheduled. That's where we learned that you shouldn't be looking after the blast--what goes up, comes down! If you ever get nearby, stop and look at the ramp and channel, especially at low tide.

Treuboff, congratulations on retirement. I tried about 1½ years and quickly found out that there wasn't enough $ coming in. The bills were all paid, but there simply wasn't any thing left over. So, back to work at least part-time.
I have dreamed of having a place in San Felipe ever since back when small aircraft used to taxi up and tie off right behind Arnold's Hotel (which is now the Malecon)


Great that Baja triggered a 'record button' in my brain when I was less than 10 years old! I seriously don't know why it had such an affect on me and my entire life, but Baja has.

The 'Gonzaga Grades' (my parents called them) were key to my desire to always have a 4WD. We drove over them 4 times between 1965 and 1968. I drove the grades between Puertecitos and El Huerfanito when I was 16 (Easter Vacation, 1974) and again two more times ('75, '79) before the '85-'86 grading made it a 2WD road.

The 1979 run over the grades... almost didn't make it, lost the muffler along the way!





Here is the El Huerfanito Boat Ramp in March, 2010 (photo by bbbait):



[Edited on 12-10-2013 by David K]

StuckSucks - 12-10-2013 at 04:52 PM

Here's Google Maps of said location.

PaulW - 12-11-2013 at 09:44 AM

Whoops. I completely miss read my charts. I should have used GE.
David is right on.
PW

David K - 12-11-2013 at 09:59 AM

I hope we all can get together and do some 4 wheeling in that great country!

area51captive - 12-12-2013 at 09:15 PM

David K, Aren't you the resourceful one! Two great pictures. The Road. I don't know how many countless hours have been spent talking about it. We used to have the El Huerfanito Olympics and some of the events were Road Watching, North and South Divisions (3 cars a month was about average) and Tide Watching High and Low Divisions along with the annual parade whereby we roped our vehicles one to another and let one guys's power wagon pull them all without drivers. It had to be that in order to have any fans at all on the sidelines cheering. About the same, we had our annual elections for Mayor who, after being elected, was immediately impeached for immoral conduct.

I also read your post over on TalkBaja about the connection between area51 and "the bomb". You meet the most creative people on the web! So here's an invite. My best friend and I will be in camp about the 7th of Jan '14 trying to sell the house. I predict we'll last about 4 days unless someone shows up and buys sooner (I've got a list of 3 interested parties, so far). You're welcome to stop by and sleep on the floor. The new highway will astound you. It accommodates 50-60 mph all the while providing views of the old road and its climbs.

I sure do appreciate all the info and help. "till the next post.

David K - 12-12-2013 at 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by area51captive
David K, Aren't you the resourceful one! Two great pictures. The Road. I don't know how many countless hours have been spent talking about it. We used to have the El Huerfanito Olympics and some of the events were Road Watching, North and South Divisions (3 cars a month was about average) and Tide Watching High and Low Divisions along with the annual parade whereby we roped our vehicles one to another and let one guys's power wagon pull them all without drivers. It had to be that in order to have any fans at all on the sidelines cheering. About the same, we had our annual elections for Mayor who, after being elected, was immediately impeached for immoral conduct.

I also read your post over on TalkBaja about the connection between area51 and "the bomb". You meet the most creative people on the web! So here's an invite. My best friend and I will be in camp about the 7th of Jan '14 trying to sell the house. I predict we'll last about 4 days unless someone shows up and buys sooner (I've got a list of 3 interested parties, so far). You're welcome to stop by and sleep on the floor. The new highway will astound you. It accommodates 50-60 mph all the while providing views of the old road and its climbs.

I sure do appreciate all the info and help. "till the next post.


I zipped by your home a year and a half ago, and the pavement went to Campo Delfines (10 miles from Gonzaga)... and we drove on to Bahía Concepcion that day (I have a Toyota Tacoma), so I know the highway is great.

Your activities sound very 'Old Time Baja' campo stuff! ;)

I am glad to have driven between Puertecitos and Gonzaga when it took 5 hours to go the 50 miles! When it was reduced to 3 hours, it wasn't the same adventure... Now, it take an hour, or less (if you don't stop for lunch at the island view pullout). Nice road... but a lot of that Baja Special Feeling about being one with the land and knowing where you go, you will find nobody else there or only the highest quality people.

I have no plans of doing any traveling, but would love to once the economy can be returned to the people of this country! Thank you for the invite, I hope you have great success with the sale and any future endeavors!

willardguy - 12-13-2013 at 12:10 AM

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Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by area51captive
David K, Aren't you the resourceful one! Two great pictures. The Road. I don't know how many countless hours have been spent talking about it. We used to have the El Huerfanito Olympics and some of the events were Road Watching, North and South Divisions (3 cars a month was about average) and Tide Watching High and Low Divisions along with the annual parade whereby we roped our vehicles one to another and let one guys's power wagon pull them all without drivers. It had to be that in order to have any fans at all on the sidelines cheering. About the same, we had our annual elections for Mayor who, after being elected, was immediately impeached for immoral conduct.

I also read your post over on TalkBaja about the connection between area51 and "the bomb". You meet the most creative people on the web! So here's an invite. My best friend and I will be in camp about the 7th of Jan '14 trying to sell the house. I predict we'll last about 4 days unless someone shows up and buys sooner (I've got a list of 3 interested parties, so far). You're welcome to stop by and sleep on the floor. The new highway will astound you. It accommodates 50-60 mph all the while providing views of the old road and its climbs.

I sure do appreciate all the info and help. "till the next post.


I zipped by your home a year and a half ago, and the pavement went to Campo Delfines (10 miles from Gonzaga)... and we drove on to Bahía Concepcion that day (I have a Toyota Tacoma), so I know the highway is great.

Your activities sound very 'Old Time Baja' campo stuff! ;)

I am glad to have driven between Puertecitos and Gonzaga when it took 5 hours to go the 50 miles! When it was reduced to 3 hours, it wasn't the same adventure... Now, it take an hour, or less (if you don't stop for lunch at the island view pullout). Nice road... but a lot of that Baja Special Feeling about being one with the land and knowing where you go, you will find nobody else there or only the highest quality people.

I have no plans of doing any traveling, but would love to once the economy can be returned to the people of this country! Thank you for the invite, I hope you have great success with the sale and any future endeavors!
tell us more about these "highest quality people" back in the day. are these the same folks that were the con men and scam artists that were selling lots they didnt own in gonzaga bay and punta final in the late 50's??? :?:

David K - 12-13-2013 at 12:20 AM

I never met them, sorry!

I don't know who squatted on Josefina's beach (Punta Final) back in the late 60's (not 50's)... but their 'VILLA MAR Y SOL' didn't last long! You can see it on a couple of maps from the period:

Two from 1970:





In 1962, Punta Final was un-populated:


willardguy - 12-13-2013 at 01:12 AM

actually by the time josefina arrived the american scam artists had already set up shop in punta final and had built homes, an air strip and a restaurant. the con men over in gonzaga were selling lots before alfonsina ever arrived.
with the exception of the fernandez family, all there was there were crooks. but only the highest quality crooks.:smug:

David K - 12-13-2013 at 02:20 AM

Maybe you could write the history of it all out? I was curious about who Crowe (Crowes Camp) was that became Alfonsina's, also?

willardguy - 12-13-2013 at 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Maybe you could write the history of it all out? I was curious about who Crowe (Crowes Camp) was that became Alfonsina's, also?
ralph crow would fly down and load up on turquoise to take back home and sell. he and his cohorts proclaimed what is now alfonsina's as their own and began selling stocks in their company (lots). the road didnt bring bad people, airplanes did.:o

David K - 12-13-2013 at 03:26 PM

LOL... well, I was using Mama Espinoza's words... and Good Roads bring ALL kinds of people (not just bad apples).

Here is how I learned of 'Crowe's Camp'... on a 1960 map by Howard Gulick:





[Edited on 12-13-2013 by David K]

area51captive - 12-14-2013 at 10:47 AM

Wow! David K and Willardguy, what a wealth of information. I feel like I've opened Encyclopedia Britannia and Wikipedia at the same time. There is so much I don't know (to quote my wife). I'm fascinated. If I can, I'd like to ask about the area in question. I was told that Home Depot contracted for beach pebbles out of Campo El Faro. Is that true? And I see a well noted at El Faro which I have seen myself. Is that well the Pozo de Los Frailes on the hand drawn map? Likewise I believe that Alfonsina, Josefina and the woman who owns Punta Bufeo, known as "La Chuca" are all sisters and daughters of Papa Fernandez. I think one or another of La Chuca's sons is always President of Ejido Matomi. I have flown from El Huerfanito with a pilot who bought avgas regularly at Santa Ines and the woman we paid there was named Josefina, a distinguished woman with combs in her hair. Is that the same Josefina from Punta Final?

I couldn't agree more with David K when he talks about walking up an arroyo and felling with every step as though he is the first person to ever be in that spot. Although, in my case, I usually round a bend and find a spire of 5 or 6 flat stones piled up. I did walk a day with surveyors for the Mexican Fed Government as they were taking measurements. If you can believe it, they were a team of 3 and they were "measuring" with a compass and a 10 meter chain, end-to-end, like you see the refs using at a football game. Sometimes along the old road you can see a splash of lime green paint on a rock (or orange). If you stop and walk in a ways from the road, you'll see a metal ID tag in a rock with hand stamped numbers. Those tags were left by the surveyors. Another walk I made was to accompany Federal Wildlife agents as they hiked up Miramar Canyon for a borrego census. We never saw a one but their report said we saw several (job security, I believe).

I used to have a thousand photos, mostly polaroid's, which dates me, but they were lost in a fire. Otherwise, I would share them. I'd certainly like to meet up with you guys sometime if for nothing more than to say "thanks" in person for keeping the facts straight. That's all for now, hasta luego

willardguy - 12-14-2013 at 11:15 AM

francisca "la chuca" is a fernandez, alfonsina was treated as a daughter, josefina who owned punta final wasnt connected to anyone, though its said had presidential ties ( she had the mexican navy come in and bulldoze the town that tom and margarita had built). when papa arrived the old goat well had been buried for centuries, its said that one day papa and friends spotted their donkeys huddled around the spot, started digging and there it was!
yes, josefina bought santa ines in 1958

[Edited on 12-14-2013 by willardguy]

David K - 12-14-2013 at 02:40 PM

'willardguy' impresses the heck out of me, too! To find another Nomad who bothers to remember or learn the history of the land we all love is refreshing... Getting drunk, catching fish, and keeping surfing spots secret seems to be the mainstay here!

Josefina Zunigo, owned both Santa Ynez and Punta Final. Here 'nephew' and ranch foreman was Fred Hampe and they built the road to Mission Santa María and 2 miles beyond, hoping to get it through to Punta Final. This was from about 1958 to 1973.

The effort was abandoned when Fred came to the edge of the great canyon 2 miles downstream from the mission, and the new Baja highway finished in late 1973 would cut hours out of the drive time. It was still a long way around (via Calamajue Canyon first, then via Chapala when that road was graded in '83).

The 'presidential connection' I know of was that Presidential candidate Echeverria slept at the Santa Ynez bunk house... and Josefina tried to convince him to have a side highway built to Gonzaga Bay via the mission.

Apparently, the engineers took a look at the route and said no way... they put the connection across from Laguna Chapala. Josefina did get a paved driveway (3/4 mile long) and a paved runway, however.



Josefina of Santa Ynez from Marvin Patchen's book 'Baja Adventures by Land-Air-Sea (1981).

area51captive - 12-29-2013 at 05:15 PM

Greetings to Nomad readers. Well, the wife finally gave me permission to go to Mexico--or did she just make me believe that I had convinced her and is really happy to get me out of the house? Either way, I'll be in camp starting 1/7/14 and anybody interested to see the house I have for sale can stop by. Or, if anybody wants photographic clarification of some part of the house, just ask and I'll do my best. I don't have phone or internet at El Huerfanito so I'll be catching up with BajaNomad sometime after my trip.

It's really been rewarding to be on the receiving end of so much great information and photos/maps. Thanks one and all.

David K - 12-29-2013 at 09:32 PM

Have a great time and we look forward to your post trip report... and hope you will have a fist full of cash from selling your vacation home!

willardguy - 12-29-2013 at 10:52 PM

hey 51, i gots a question. that shrine that you spoke of half way up the steep hill, the new road now bypasses it, I remember many years ago stopped at it to leave a few pesos (and a few tecates)we met some hombres (changing candles) and they told us it was a young man who had stopped there (flat tire im assuming) because his car ended up running him over. I remember the young men in the truck had a big gunnysack full of rattlers in the back.
anyway, I think la chuca lost a son on that road, do you know, was that him??

area51captive - 12-30-2013 at 09:40 AM

Hi there, Willardguy, I did hear the same story. I think I was told the "pobre jose" was under the vehicle when it came down unexpectedly and killed him. I keep in contact with 2 of la chuca's sons and know of a 3rd but I don't remember any of them recounting the loss of a brother. I'll ask this trip.

Along the same lines of the old road and old days, did you ever meet Mateo? He used to walk up and down the old road from Nacho's Camp to La Costilla repairing the road with an old wheelbarrow and some broken shovels and passersby would give water, food, tools and money. When he died, a friend of his took over but only just long enough to find most of Mateo's "rest areas" where he found, for those times, a small fortune of the same water, food, tools, and money. Whether it's true or not, it's still a great story for anyone who traveled over that road in those days. One of my most enduring lessons of being in Baja is how quickly stories move through such remote areas that typically have no telegraph, telephone, mail, and few travelers, etc.

steekers - 12-30-2013 at 10:42 AM

David...its been awhile, but still plugging away on the Zuniga story and Punta Final. Too many items getting in the way.

David K - 12-30-2013 at 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by steekers
David...its been awhile, but still plugging away on the Zuniga story and Punta Final. Too many items getting in the way.


Good to hear Michael! It's tough when life gets into the way of a good Baja story that needs telling!

area51captive - 1-11-2014 at 10:45 AM

Hey there, Willardguy I had a great conversation about the shrine (capilla) at the top of the long grade on the old road between Puerticitos and Nacho's Camp. It was built over a couple of weeks by 3 locals, one of whom is a son of Francisca "la Chuca". It was done strictly as an act of faith in the Virgin of Guadalupe, not to remember the passing of a person, and the sight was selected for its view.
There is 1 unfortunate coincidence in that the day the capilla was finished and the guys returned home, they discovered that Sr Romero, Francisca's husband and father of one of the builders, had passed away. No one could remember who collected rattlesnakes around that time, though, and the family has never lost a son, either. Just adding my grain of sand and wishing you well.

willardguy - 1-12-2014 at 10:26 AM

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Hey there, Willardguy I had a great conversation about the shrine (capilla) at the top of the long grade on the old road between Puerticitos and Nacho's Camp. It was built over a couple of weeks by 3 locals, one of whom is a son of Francisca "la Chuca". It was done strictly as an act of faith in the Virgin of Guadalupe, not to remember the passing of a person, and the sight was selected for its view.
There is 1 unfortunate coincidence in that the day the capilla was finished and the guys returned home, they discovered that Sr Romero, Francisca's husband and father of one of the builders, had passed away. No one could remember who collected rattlesnakes around that time, though, and the family has never lost a son, either. Just adding my grain of sand and wishing you well.
so is the shrine of guadalupe that papa had built the one thats inside a natural cave with a statue in it that you could only briefly see traveling north only??? and the lower shine going up the hill out of huerfanito maybe the spot where one of alfonsina's workers rolled her over loaded truck killing the driver? anyone have pictures of these and did the new road destroy these or just bypass em?:?:

area51captive - 2-12-2014 at 07:53 PM

I'm BAAACK !! Just returned from a disastrous open house of my casa in Nacho's Camp, aka El Huerfanito. Had 23 people show up. Ha, Ha, got your attention, didn't I? Well, the party of 23 (9 adults, 14 kids) were all one group. They came from Mexicali after making an appointment. Turns out the couple interested in the house invited in-laws and co-workers each of whom invited friends. When the couple arrived, they said they were very tired from driving and would like to start the BBQ and have something to eat. Then, they probably would gather wood for a bonfire on the beach for the kids, and they would be staying the night. This was a side of Mexican culture I hadn't experienced before. My position was that it sounded like they had decided to buy and I would like to have my money before the fiesta started. "Oh no", was the reply, "We will need a couple of weeks to think it over." Now while I'm wondering how to respond, a crowd is in the bathroom asking for more water for the toilet which was stopped-up and, because one of them couldn't wait, was sprayed including the bath mat and back wall. So I took the principal guy aside and asked him if there was a house in Mexicali for sale, would they all show-up, eat, and stay the night? He got the message and rounded everybody up saying he'd be back in the morning. Never showed.

So the house is back on the market, $2000 less (asking $15000 now) and I'd be happy to answer any questions. Thanks again to BajaNomad for the chance to advertise.

BajaRat - 2-12-2014 at 08:23 PM

Still looks like a great spot. Hang in there :cool:

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area51captive - 2-20-2014 at 11:26 AM

I've got some new photos of the house from last months trip. Also, it looks like I've got to make a commitment to start work (Oh, dread!) soon, so if anybody knows anybody who wants to make an offer on the casa, belly on up to the table.

Special apologies to David K because he took time to explain how to "photobucket" the pics but I couldn't get it right. Does this website have a forum for us "useless"?

I had an email conversation with a great guy from Punta Final. His reference point is from the 1960's !! He really enjoyed all the contributions from Nomad posters familiar with that area and with the maps that were added by David K

Please see below

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area51captive - 2-20-2014 at 07:40 PM

Well, I messed that up ! Here are the new, "new" photos. Thanks to Marty Cortez for the virtual slap on the face. No wonder my wife always tells me to, "Count your change". I think I got Photobucket working.












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David K - 2-20-2014 at 08:21 PM

Umm... if you don't use Photobucket, and the IMG link assigned to your photos there, they need to be 'wrapped' with IMG tags... you can either click on the image button and enter the url and the tags are automatically added:

or manually put [img] one the front and [/img] on the back of a image url (web address in blue above).



Any photo should be no greater than 800 pixels wide, for a 100% full size photo (as that is how wide Nomad is). To post bigger just stretches the entire page, make reading text and seeing the entire photo an effort, and does not enhance a photo quality. The ones above are 600 pixels and should work fine....

Here's the last image from your list, with the tags added:




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area51captive - 2-21-2014 at 09:13 AM

Thank you, David K. I guess I'll have to repost the links with the img wrapping because I don't know how to edit a previous post. Is the img tag on the Photobucket homepage or here on the BajaNomad webpage? Thanks for the help (and your patience).

David K - 2-21-2014 at 09:39 AM

It is here, right above where you type in your new post (not the Quick Reply area).

You just can click EDIT (see it next to your posts, upper right side)... add the tags to each of your photo links and edit the post! No need to redo it all. I have to go to San Diego this morning, otherwise I will be happy to do it if you need assistance.
Okay, San Diego can wait a few minutes... stand by>>>

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HERE they are..

David K - 2-21-2014 at 09:47 AM

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area51captive - 2-21-2014 at 10:59 AM

I think I got the "Edit" procedure. Now I'm on to Photobucket. I'll eventually learn the proper techniques, probably just about the time the house sells!!

Photobucket works !!

Thank you

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area51captive - 2-24-2014 at 10:59 AM

I'm happy to announce that the house will be open for viewing from the 28th of Feb to about the 10th of Mar (unless someone buys me out before). This will probably have to be the last time to see inside until Nov-Dec. Hope to see you all in camp.

wessongroup - 2-24-2014 at 11:59 AM

Good show 51 ... takes a while, but, your getting it down :biggrin::biggrin: