BajaNomad - ? regarding shade cloth for patio covers

? regarding shade cloth for patio covers

Santiago - 12-7-2013 at 05:12 PM

We're finally getting the front of the cabin completed and will have a 10'X24' area to cover. Thinking of using the green sheeting that nursuries often use to shade a large area and wondering what the experiences have been from others who have used it.
Is there a 'best' way of attaching it? Does it really block the sun? Will a powerfull wind shred it?

BajaRat - 12-7-2013 at 05:19 PM

koolaroo, a little more expensive but up to the task.

monoloco - 12-7-2013 at 05:26 PM

I saw some nicely designed ones in La Paz being used as shade for parking. They had a continuous piece of 3/8 or 1/2 high quality line sewn into a sleeve around the perimeter. They left the line exposed at cutout corners as the attachment points. It was about the most bomb proof way that I've seen it executed. I wish I would have snapped a photo.

Bajaboy - 12-7-2013 at 05:41 PM

We put some on over our front patio....works awesome. A few others were impressed with ours and followed suit. I bought our at Home Depot. Relatively inexpensive to purchase and easy to install. It has held up well in the wind of BA. We have gotten fours years so far with no problems.

This is the first picture I found

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BajaRat - 12-7-2013 at 06:06 PM

I bet that frame work made a huge difference Zac.

woody with a view - 12-7-2013 at 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by Santiago
We're finally getting the front of the cabin completed and will have a 10'X24' area to cover. Thinking of using the green sheeting that nursuries often use to shade a large area and wondering what the experiences have been from others who have used it.
Is there a 'best' way of attaching it? Does it really block the sun? Will a powerfull wind shred it?

i have a piece that size (brown) that you can have. it's in yuma but it can be in Sandy Eggo when you pass thru.

[Edited on 12-8-2013 by woody with a view]

Paulina - 12-7-2013 at 07:13 PM

Jim,
We had shade cloth on ours till we got the lamina from Pepito (Ramon). We stapled it with the T-50 stapler, then over the top of that we nailed batting made out of plywood, 1x, what ever we could get our hands on. We stretched it as tight as we possibly could so there was no slack in it what so ever, so it didn't tear in the wind. It was "shady" but not good enough to take a nap under in the summer, we still felt the sun and the heat. It also didn't keep the rain out. We might have a bunch of it in our garage trailer, you're welcome to it, if it's there.

Have you thought about using the lamina? Put it up and forgetaboutit.

P>*)))>{

larryC - 12-8-2013 at 07:56 AM

I am also a big fan of the lamina. Put it up once and you're done.
Larry

Paulina, walked around your place yesterday and everything looks fine.

Santiago - 12-8-2013 at 08:13 AM

What's lamina?

monoloco - 12-8-2013 at 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by Santiago
What's lamina?

Metal roofing.

Santiago - 12-8-2013 at 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by Paulina
It was "shady" but not good enough to take a nap under in the summer, we still felt the sun and the heat. It also didn't keep the rain out.

P>*)))>{

I was worried about this as well. I did not know you had replaced your netting; I'll get by and check it out next time down.
At Zac's place a little sun is a good thing :lol:

Santiago - 12-8-2013 at 08:27 AM

Metal roofing: a few times that I have been under metal roofing in the summer it seemed to radiate the heat downward. Does it come in white to reflect the heat?
I would like to use 4X6 rafters at about 32", will it span this?

Bajaboy - 12-8-2013 at 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by Santiago

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Originally posted by Paulina
It was "shady" but not good enough to take a nap under in the summer, we still felt the sun and the heat. It also didn't keep the rain out.

P>*)))>{

I was worried about this as well. I did not know you had replaced your netting; I'll get by and check it out next time down.
At Zac's place a little sun is a good thing :lol:

Exactly. In the cooler months, we like some coming in. But even in the warmer months, enough sun is blocked so it is still comfortable. But on the other side, lamina might be a better choice.....much more expensive, though. We made a nice shade area in the back with old lamina that we took off our roof. Works great!

bajaguy - 12-8-2013 at 08:41 AM

What is the snow load??? :lol:

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Originally posted by Santiago
I would like to use 4X6 rafters at about 32", will it span this?

bajajudy - 12-8-2013 at 08:47 AM

The beauty of shade cloth is that it breathes. Cooler and less chance of it taking flight.

Santiago - 12-8-2013 at 09:04 AM

BJ: I was thinking about this very issue - at least once a decade or so a hurricane will travel up the SOC and reach this area; onshore winds will go right under this patio cover; I assumed the netting would just tear away leaving the posts and beams. Anyone further south have experiences with this?

monoloco - 12-8-2013 at 09:13 AM

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Originally posted by Santiago
Metal roofing: a few times that I have been under metal roofing in the summer it seemed to radiate the heat downward. Does it come in white to reflect the heat?
I would like to use 4X6 rafters at about 32", will it span this?

Lamina is very light weight, 4x6's would be overkill, you would be better with 2x6's every 24 inches, with 1x2 purlins every 24" to support the lamina. Fasten with grommeted screws.

DENNIS - 12-8-2013 at 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by Paulina
then over the top of that we nailed batting made out of plywood,

That will probably be the first thing to go in time.

DENNIS - 12-8-2013 at 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by Santiago
Metal roofing: a few times that I have been under metal roofing in the summer it seemed to radiate the heat downward. Does it come in white to reflect the heat?

I've never seen any that wasn't galvanized, so painting may be a problem, should that idea occur.

SteveD - 12-8-2013 at 11:07 AM

We've been getting shade cloth on-line from "The Shade Cloth store". They have it in various densities: 30% to 90%, depending on what you are using it for. We use the 50% for plants and the 90% for the patio where we sit. It comes in a lot of colors plus an aluminum coated type that reflects the heat. It comes with a reinforced 2" edge with grommits every 2 feet. We just tie it down with nylon cord. That also makes it easy to take down.

The shade cloth in 6" wide rolls you get at Home Depot is 85%. We use to use it over a patio with 50% lathe, the the combination created too much shade. Also, it would catch the wind and billow up. We now have a single 12" wide piece of 50% cloth. The wind goes right through it.

mtnpop - 12-8-2013 at 12:03 PM

I didn't see anywhere in the thread of where you are..
There is a little shop in LaPaz that stocks shade cloth in different colors and density's.. They have it in 6' and 12' widths...
you pick what you want and they cut it to size,, also will hem the edges and put grommets where you want them if that is what you want to do maybe other ways to tie down maybe..
The price didn't seem too out of line for Mexico but not as good as the states of course...
we have had them do several for us,.. usually takes a couple of days...
As for metal roofing... I used to install metal roofing in the states and it comes in many colors... but have not checked in BAJA for availability... I have seen it in galv. Home Depot should be able to order it for you...if that is the way you want to go... its called ProPanel or ABC among other manuf...

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Santiago - 12-8-2013 at 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by SteveD
We've been getting shade cloth on-line from "The Shade Cloth store". They have it in various densities: 30% to 90%, depending on what you are using it for. We use the 50% for plants and the 90% for the patio where we sit. It comes in a lot of colors plus an aluminum coated type that reflects the heat. It comes with a reinforced 2" edge with grommits every 2 feet. We just tie it down with nylon cord. That also makes it easy to take down.

The shade cloth in 6" wide rolls you get at Home Depot is 85%. We use to use it over a patio with 50% lathe, the the combination created too much shade. Also, it would catch the wind and billow up. We now have a single 12" wide piece of 50% cloth. The wind goes right through it.

You must mean 6 FEET and 12 FEET, right?

DENNIS - 12-8-2013 at 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by SteveD
We've been getting shade cloth on-line from "The Shade Cloth store".

http://www.shadeclothstore.com/Default.aspx?

RnR - 12-8-2013 at 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by mtnpop
There is a little shop in LaPaz that stocks shade cloth in different colors and density's.. They have it in 6' and 12' widths...

Do you have an address or directions?

We are looking to have some panels made, probably next week.

See lots of shop fronts advertising "mallasombra" but it would be nice to use a shop with a satisfied clientele.

monoloco - 12-8-2013 at 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Santiago
Metal roofing: a few times that I have been under metal roofing in the summer it seemed to radiate the heat downward. Does it come in white to reflect the heat?

I've never seen any that wasn't galvanized, so painting may be a problem, should that idea occur.

It comes in powder coated colors also. I have a shop with a galvanized roof and it stays surprisingly cool.

mtnpop - 12-8-2013 at 01:50 PM

I wish I could remember the name of the shop, But here goes.. Its about a block or 2 past the divided street 5th of February as you drive toward the malechon..on your left side... little storefront with trees lining the sidewalk kind of hidden,, there is also an open air pollo restaurant nest to it... I will try to find a name but not sure it's on the building... "middle of the block"
good luck with these directions...

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Originally posted by mtnpop
There is a little shop in LaPaz that stocks shade cloth in different colors and density's.. They have it in 6' and 12' widths...

RnR - 12-8-2013 at 01:59 PM

Gracias, I'll give it a try.

When you say "past the 5th of Feb, toward the malecon" I'm guessing that is Abasolo, the street that eventually turns into the malecon proper.

There is a big pollo restaurant on the right, sounds pretty close to the marine hardware store on a left side corner, and near the Arjona marine store on the right. There's a Pemex near there somewhere, too.

We will cruise Abasolo the next time in La Paz.

Many thanks.

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I wish I could remember the name of the shop, But here goes.. Its about a block or 2 past the divided street 5th of February as you drive toward the malechon..on your left side... little storefront with trees lining the sidewalk kind of hidden,, there is also an open air pollo restaurant nest to it... I will try to find a name but not sure it's on the building... "middle of the block"
good luck with these directions...

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Originally posted by mtnpop
There is a little shop in LaPaz that stocks shade cloth in different colors and density's.. They have it in 6' and 12' widths...

vgabndo - 12-8-2013 at 06:28 PM

I was really impressed with the effectiveness of a vertical windbreak of shade cloth that Blanca and Les have on their back patio at La Bocana. I don't know what % it was, but it really cut the wind nicely and seemed to be holding-up real well.

BajaNomad - 12-9-2013 at 02:35 PM

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La Karpa on Abasolo?

http://goo.gl/maps/adlO1

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mtnpop - 12-9-2013 at 08:28 PM

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La Karpa on Abasolo?

http://goo.gl/maps/adlO1

this would be the correct place... now maybe I will remember
the name for awhile..
thanks

[Edited on 12-10-2013 by BajaNomad]

vandenberg - 12-9-2013 at 08:44 PM

When you start talking 2 x 6's as framework, you're talking money.
In that case you're better of getting a palapa roof.
I just had one installed over a 40 sq meter patio. Cost $3500. Should have done this years ago, would have saved money because of leakage into the downstairs.

micah202 - 12-10-2013 at 12:21 AM

...a beautiful,practical,inexpen$ive,durable option for patio covering is to use old sailboat jibs...used ones can be had at saillofts for not much!

RnR - 12-10-2013 at 07:22 AM

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Originally posted by micah202
...a beautiful,practical,inexpen$ive,durable option for patio covering is to use old sailboat jibs...used ones can be had at saillofts for not much!

Great idea

I would guess though that they would need a substantial support framework. These things were made to Pull .....

Hook - 12-10-2013 at 07:59 AM

Is lamina really metal? Ours sure looks like it's fiberglass or some kind of composite like polycarbonate. Terra cotta finish.

Doug/Vamonos - 12-11-2013 at 08:47 AM

Hey neighbor. I have that green shade cloth over my patio under the polycarbonate roof. I hate it cuz it collects dirt. Gonna tear it down when I get the energy. I don't need the sun protection and it just looks dirty to me. And when the sun is hottest I usually want to be on the water or under my tree!

monoloco - 12-11-2013 at 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
Is lamina really metal? Ours sure looks like it's fiberglass or some kind of composite like polycarbonate. Terra cotta finish.

That's a different product, lamina is metal roofing like in a tin roof.

wessongroup - 12-11-2013 at 09:54 AM

Shade or no shade ... is an individual choice