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Using SPOT finder to track people and lost/stolen items

Whale-ista - 1-28-2014 at 06:51 PM

A nomad posted an update regarding recovery of his motorcycle that had been stolen from San Felipe, and made me wonder about a device that could be used to help with recovery of lost/stolen items in Baja or elsewhere.

Turns out there is a system for this, and it's related to the Spot devices that some solo travellers use to keep in touch with people concerned about their safety/progress.

Any nomad using this one?

EnsenadaDr - 1-28-2014 at 07:19 PM

I don't think the Mexicans are fully on board with tracking technology but I defer to the more knowledgeable guys out there that know more.

SPOT

bajaguy - 1-28-2014 at 07:53 PM

I use the trip tracker/assist functions of SPOT while in Baja and it has worked like a champ

The new property tracking device should also work well in Baja for aircraft, vehicles and boats

Nobody needs to be "on board" with the technology. All you need is a computer, the device feeds you it's location at specified intervals which you can track with a computer

Baja Bucko - 1-28-2014 at 11:10 PM

The la mula mil adventure started off with a SPOT device but we had problems with the batteries that would not quit so the SPOT was given up on as a way to track us. It just did NOT work ........:?:

bajaguy - 1-29-2014 at 06:33 AM

Please explain about the batteries???

It doesn't sound like a problem with the device, but with the batteries you are using.

I have used alkaline and lithium batteries in the original and the generation 3 SPOT for about 7 years with no problems. I also carry extra batteries, just in case.

Quote:
Originally posted by Baja Bucko
The la mula mil adventure started off with a SPOT device but we had problems with the batteries that would not quit so the SPOT was given up on as a way to track us. It just did NOT work ........:?:

motoged - 1-29-2014 at 08:25 AM

SPOT recommends lithium batteries and you need spares for sure.

As for this tracking unit they have.....only would work as long as batteries are good and the unit is in a location that can send signal...and I don't know how strong their transponding is...but I am looking into the notion, SPOT being one of them.

I have had very mixed results with my SPOT.

Two years ago when leading a ride of 20 guys on an outback 3-day ride in BC, a guy crashed and was revived from as close to death as possible....5 SPOT units sent SOS....the authorities received the message but not the co-ordinates that were accurate.

4.5 hours later the helicopter arrived and the guy survived....the chopper got the correct co-ords from a phone call sent by a guy who rode out.....still a mystery as that situation.

micah202 - 1-29-2014 at 09:21 AM

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...maybe a pre-calibration of the spot-units is required?

EnsenadaDr - 1-29-2014 at 09:49 AM

I was following the thread on Rachel and Mike where David K was following them pretty regularly. I don't remember exactly what the problem was with the What is West guys and what happened with their SPOT equipment, I can go back to the thread and check it out.

SPOT Track Link

bajaguy - 1-29-2014 at 09:54 AM

Here is a link for a SPOT track from PaulW:

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=71912&pag...

basautter - 1-29-2014 at 10:10 AM

I don't go SOB without my SPOT. I use lithium batteries, and have not had a problem. It has a track feature, but I mostly use it to send a pre-written message to a pre-determined e-mail list. Let's everyone know where I am, and that I am safe. I have not had to use the SOS feature yet, but have heard mostly good things about it. Lots of reviewes can be found on websutes that sell SPOTs. A SPOT satellite ohine is on my christmas list!

EnsenadaDr - 1-29-2014 at 10:25 AM

Excellent idea in case the Mexican mafia holds you hostage and they can go in there and rescue you!! Hopefully you are still in one piece.
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Originally posted by basautter
I don't go SOB without my SPOT. I use lithium batteries, and have not had a problem. It has a track feature, but I mostly use it to send a pre-written message to a pre-determined e-mail list. Let's everyone know where I am, and that I am safe. I have not had to use the SOS feature yet, but have heard mostly good things about it. Lots of reviewes can be found on websutes that sell SPOTs. A SPOT satellite ohine is on my christmas list!

mtgoat666 - 1-29-2014 at 10:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
SPOT recommends lithium batteries and you need spares for sure.

As for this tracking unit they have.....only would work as long as batteries are good and the unit is in a location that can send signal...and I don't know how strong their transponding is...but I am looking into the notion, SPOT being one of them.

I have had very mixed results with my SPOT.

Two years ago when leading a ride of 20 guys on an outback 3-day ride in BC, a guy crashed and was revived from as close to death as possible....5 SPOT units sent SOS....the authorities received the message but not the co-ordinates that were accurate.

4.5 hours later the helicopter arrived and the guy survived....the chopper got the correct co-ords from a phone call sent by a guy who rode out.....still a mystery as that situation.


i think spot is part of globalstar. from what i know about sat phones,... their satellites have degraded (and maybe are being replaced, if they still have cash flow to do so), and there are periodic coverage problems in certain areas, such that sat phone signals may come/go depending on location, time, angle to satelite, etc.
given the potential variability of signals, if in emergency, probably best to hit the SOS button multiple times over several hours, as signal quality may come and go

last time i used a sat phone in baja, it was infuriating how a new/good phone could never hold a call for more than a few minutes. an expensive phone for such bad service.

EnsenadaDr - 1-29-2014 at 11:05 AM

You sound just like a University professor!!
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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
SPOT recommends lithium batteries and you need spares for sure.

As for this tracking unit they have.....only would work as long as batteries are good and the unit is in a location that can send signal...and I don't know how strong their transponding is...but I am looking into the notion, SPOT being one of them.

I have had very mixed results with my SPOT.

Two years ago when leading a ride of 20 guys on an outback 3-day ride in BC, a guy crashed and was revived from as close to death as possible....5 SPOT units sent SOS....the authorities received the message but not the co-ordinates that were accurate.

4.5 hours later the helicopter arrived and the guy survived....the chopper got the correct co-ords from a phone call sent by a guy who rode out.....still a mystery as that situation.


i think spot is part of globalstar. from what i know about sat phones,... their satellites have degraded (and maybe are being replaced, if they still have cash flow to do so), and there are periodic coverage problems in certain areas, such that sat phone signals may come/go depending on location, time, angle to satelite, etc.
given the potential variability of signals, if in emergency, probably best to hit the SOS button multiple times over several hours, as signal quality may come and go

last time i used a sat phone in baja, it was infuriating how a new/good phone could never hold a call for more than a few minutes. an expensive phone for such bad service.

BajaNomad - 1-29-2014 at 11:20 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr

I don't remember exactly what the problem was with the What is West guys and what happened with their SPOT equipment...


They lost their SPOT device in the desert:

"Just had a gnarly trip through the mtns. No route. Cactus ripping up our legs. Socks soaking up sweat and blood. Our packs were snagging on all these desert plants. Lost the SPOT (the tracking device) when a cactus ripped it off and we didn't notice. It's gone. Late in the day yesterday we stumbled upon our first oasis. Some dude was grilling up a 50lb yellowtail. Like some sort of dream after walking through lifeless cactus filled gorges..."

https://www.facebook.com/WHATISWEST/posts/481170851936971

KurtG - 1-29-2014 at 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by basautter
I don't go SOB without my SPOT. I use lithium batteries, and have not had a problem. It has a track feature, but I mostly use it to send a pre-written message to a pre-determined e-mail list. Let's everyone know where I am, and that I am safe. I have not had to use the SOS feature yet, but have heard mostly good things about it. Lots of reviewes can be found on websutes that sell SPOTs. A SPOT satellite ohine is on my christmas list!


That mirrors my experience. I have carried the original model Spot for 3-4 years now and use it as described above to let family and friends know where I am and that all is well. It goes to a pre-determined email list which can be changed anytime I have internet access. I have never used the "need help" function which also goes to a separate pre-determined email list or the "911" which goes to the emergency responders but I know of a couple instances where it was used successfully.

I send Spot messages regularly and in case I go missing the recipients will know where I was in the days before.

I don't use the tracking feature which uses up batteries faster. I carry spare batteries but find the lithiums last a couple of years since I only turn on the Spot when I am sending a message. I have sent hundreds of Spot messages and have only had a couple of times when it did not go through.

willardguy - 1-29-2014 at 12:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
SPOT recommends lithium batteries and you need spares for sure.

As for this tracking unit they have.....only would work as long as batteries are good and the unit is in a location that can send signal...and I don't know how strong their transponding is...but I am looking into the notion, SPOT being one of them.

I have had very mixed results with my SPOT.

Two years ago when leading a ride of 20 guys on an outback 3-day ride in BC, a guy crashed and was revived from as close to death as possible....5 SPOT units sent SOS....the authorities received the message but not the co-ordinates that were accurate.

4.5 hours later the helicopter arrived and the guy survived....the chopper got the correct co-ords from a phone call sent by a guy who rode out.....still a mystery as that situation.
they're certainly not infallible, think back to that awful day in november.:(

StuckSucks - 1-29-2014 at 05:40 PM

I've been using the first generation SPOT since the beginning, and it travels with me to remote spots (eg Baja), dirt biking in the desert, etc. Along with tracking, I like the "I'm OK" feature, where I can send my wife or others, an "I'm OK email."

re: sat phones. I use a late-model Iridium, and I agree, it has the audio quality/connectivity of a 1985 Motorola flip phone.

Ateo - 1-29-2014 at 08:31 PM

I've been using the newest generation SPOT for the last few trips. It's awesome to be able to check in. I send signals out to family, and always copy my one Baja friend who can alert others in case I need help. A mention to contact this forum is always included. I've used it while down for the Baja 1000 in remote areas and surf spots off the map and I always get a signal out.

EnsenadaDr - 1-29-2014 at 08:35 PM

How much do they run Ateo?

bajaguy - 1-29-2014 at 08:56 PM

http://www.findmespot.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_i...


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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
How much do they run Ateo?

KurtG - 1-29-2014 at 08:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
How much do they run Ateo?


$100-150 for the Spot and my basic service is $100/yr.

bajadogs - 1-29-2014 at 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by StuckSucks
I've been using the first generation SPOT since the beginning, and it travels with me to remote spots (eg Baja), dirt biking in the desert, etc. Along with tracking, I like the "I'm OK" feature, where I can send my wife or others, an "I'm OK email."

re: sat phones. I use a late-model Iridium, and I agree, it has the audio quality/connectivity of a 1985 Motorola flip phone.


I want something like this but, I don't understand some capabilities. Why can't your first gen be used as a theft recovery tool? I'm curious about the new Spot Trace but wonder if I can send an "I am OK" message. :?:

EnsenadaDr - 1-29-2014 at 09:53 PM

Hi Kurt could you please explain what the SPOT does in its entirety and what services you offer?
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Originally posted by KurtG
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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
How much do they run Ateo?


$100-150 for the Spot and my basic service is $100/yr.

bajadogs - 1-29-2014 at 09:55 PM

:lol::lol::lol:

services you offer

my basic service is $100/yr.

:lol::lol::lol:

Ateo - 1-30-2014 at 08:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by willardguy
Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
SPOT recommends lithium batteries and you need spares for sure.

As for this tracking unit they have.....only would work as long as batteries are good and the unit is in a location that can send signal...and I don't know how strong their transponding is...but I am looking into the notion, SPOT being one of them.

I have had very mixed results with my SPOT.

Two years ago when leading a ride of 20 guys on an outback 3-day ride in BC, a guy crashed and was revived from as close to death as possible....5 SPOT units sent SOS....the authorities received the message but not the co-ordinates that were accurate.

4.5 hours later the helicopter arrived and the guy survived....the chopper got the correct co-ords from a phone call sent by a guy who rode out.....still a mystery as that situation.
they're certainly not infallible, think back to that awful day in november.:(






From what I read, the SPOT on Caselli's bike was working. They sent an SOS from it. But by that time it was too late. The problem was it wasn't on his body, where he may have been able to activate it earlier when he crashed. Maybe if the KTM chopper could have monitored the SPOT feed they could've flown to him? Maybe they were? Who knows? The SPOT was on his bike, far away from where he landed, says X Games article:

http://xgames.espn.go.com/rally-moto-x/article/10078322/kurt...



"When he got back, Ken told me there is no way anyone riding the same direction of the race would have found Kurt if he hadn't moved his bike," Orozco said. Ten minutes later, at 4:55 p.m., according to his tracker, Kawasaki team rider Ricky Brabec, who was in third place before the crash, spotted the orange bike leaned upright against a small tree and slowed to look for its rider. He then spotted Caselli and turned around.

At almost that exact moment, Ramirez arrived at the scene, dismounted his bike and ran to Caselli. Brabec rode to Ramirez but stayed on his bike. "I told Ivan, 'Stay strong,' and I left to go get help," Brabec said. As multiple reports began to filter in at pit stops and over the radio, the next few hours were filled with confusion, false reports and misinformation.

"When I got there, it was getting dark," Ramirez said. "Kurt wasn't breathing. When I got there, he was gone."

A few minutes later, Ramirez said Kosiorek returned and stayed with him until the ambulance arrived, followed by a group of Australian spectators he had alerted a few miles up the road. Ramirez told one of them how to access the SPOT tracker on the bike and instructed him to push its SOS button. Doing so sent a message to the GEOS Emergency Response Center in Houston, and local search-and-rescue organizations were notified.

"At 5:15, we received a medical alert from Texas, from the Coast Guard, saying there was a medical emergency," Carpenter said. The Weatherman then called out a "code red" over the radio, initiating an emergency response to the GPS location pinged by the tracker.

But by then, it was too late. Caselli had succumbed to his injuries. According to the autopsy report, he suffered no head trauma and died of internal injuries.

[Edited on 1-30-2014 by Ateo]

KurtG - 1-30-2014 at 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Hi Kurt could you please explain what the SPOT does in its entirety and what services you offer?
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http://www.findmespot.com/en/

The Spot website will give all the info. As to my offered services they are very exclusive with but one client.

EnsenadaDr - 1-30-2014 at 09:45 AM

hahah I thought you were the salesperson when you said your basic service. What I meant was I thought you were the one who would set up the SPOT and would be the one who would monitor it etc. By no means did I mean it any other way. Sort of like an insurance agent. Sorry for my misinterpretation!!

David K - 1-30-2014 at 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by BajaNomad
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr

I don't remember exactly what the problem was with the What is West guys and what happened with their SPOT equipment...


They lost their SPOT device in the desert:

"Just had a gnarly trip through the mtns. No route. Cactus ripping up our legs. Socks soaking up sweat and blood. Our packs were snagging on all these desert plants. Lost the SPOT (the tracking device) when a cactus ripped it off and we didn't notice. It's gone. Late in the day yesterday we stumbled upon our first oasis. Some dude was grilling up a 50lb yellowtail. Like some sort of dream after walking through lifeless cactus filled gorges..."

https://www.facebook.com/WHATISWEST/posts/481170851936971



They were east-southeast of San Ignacio on a ranch road or the El Camino Real, as I recall.

David K - 1-30-2014 at 11:06 AM

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Baja Geoff posted their last Spot location map... East of San Ignacio near Rancho Santa Lucia, along the Arroyo San Ignacio.




Here is the region on the 2003 Baja Almanac:


SPOT

bajaguy - 1-30-2014 at 11:45 AM

You are your own "agent"

In addition to the basic features/programs that come with the SPOT purchase, you select what options you want to add to your personal account.

Before every trip/use, you get on your computer, open your personal SPOT account and decide which programs to activate and you decide who gets the messages.


Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
hahah I thought you were the salesperson when you said your basic service. What I meant was I thought you were the one who would set up the SPOT and would be the one who would monitor it etc. By no means did I mean it any other way. Sort of like an insurance agent. Sorry for my misinterpretation!!

EnsenadaDr - 1-30-2014 at 12:42 PM

Thank you for the additional information Bajaguy. Is there any cheaper plan than $100 a month (I assume this price is in USD).
Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
You are your own "agent"

In addition to the basic features/programs that come with the SPOT purchase, you select what options you want to add to your personal account.

Before every trip/use, you get on your computer, open your personal SPOT account and decide which programs to activate and you decide who gets the messages.


Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
hahah I thought you were the salesperson when you said your basic service. What I meant was I thought you were the one who would set up the SPOT and would be the one who would monitor it etc. By no means did I mean it any other way. Sort of like an insurance agent. Sorry for my misinterpretation!!

Ateo - 1-30-2014 at 12:43 PM

It's $100/year.

EnsenadaDr - 1-30-2014 at 12:50 PM

ah that's great!! Well no one can afford to go with out that device. This question may have been answered, but are there any areas that the device may not work in Baja?

bajaguy - 1-30-2014 at 01:20 PM

Been all over Baja to Guerrero Negro (and out in the lagoon), several states - Oregon, Utah, Idaho, Colorado, Arizona including Hawaii and Alaska (on a cruise) and use it in an aircraft several times while on SAR missions.

Even had it with me on a raft trip down the North Fork of the American river when we flipped our raft and it was under water for about 15 minutes......all worked perfect.......just make sure you use fresh batteries and have spares

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
ah that's great!! Well no one can afford to go with out that device. This question may have been answered, but are there any areas that the device may not work in Baja?

willardguy - 1-30-2014 at 02:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ateo
Quote:
Originally posted by willardguy
Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
SPOT recommends lithium batteries and you need spares for sure.

As for this tracking unit they have.....only would work as long as batteries are good and the unit is in a location that can send signal...and I don't know how strong their transponding is...but I am looking into the notion, SPOT being one of them.

I have had very mixed results with my SPOT.

Two years ago when leading a ride of 20 guys on an outback 3-day ride in BC, a guy crashed and was revived from as close to death as possible....5 SPOT units sent SOS....the authorities received the message but not the co-ordinates that were accurate.

4.5 hours later the helicopter arrived and the guy survived....the chopper got the correct co-ords from a phone call sent by a guy who rode out.....still a mystery as that situation.
they're certainly not infallible, think back to that awful day in november.:(






From what I read, the SPOT on Caselli's bike was working. They sent an SOS from it. But by that time it was too late. The problem was it wasn't on his body, where he may have been able to activate it earlier when he crashed. Maybe if the KTM chopper could have monitored the SPOT feed they could've flown to him? Maybe they were? Who knows? The SPOT was on his bike, far away from where he landed, says X Games article:

http://xgames.espn.go.com/rally-moto-x/article/10078322/kurt...



"When he got back, Ken told me there is no way anyone riding the same direction of the race would have found Kurt if he hadn't moved his bike," Orozco said. Ten minutes later, at 4:55 p.m., according to his tracker, Kawasaki team rider Ricky Brabec, who was in third place before the crash, spotted the orange bike leaned upright against a small tree and slowed to look for its rider. He then spotted Caselli and turned around.

At almost that exact moment, Ramirez arrived at the scene, dismounted his bike and ran to Caselli. Brabec rode to Ramirez but stayed on his bike. "I told Ivan, 'Stay strong,' and I left to go get help," Brabec said. As multiple reports began to filter in at pit stops and over the radio, the next few hours were filled with confusion, false reports and misinformation.

"When I got there, it was getting dark," Ramirez said. "Kurt wasn't breathing. When I got there, he was gone."

A few minutes later, Ramirez said Kosiorek returned and stayed with him until the ambulance arrived, followed by a group of Australian spectators he had alerted a few miles up the road. Ramirez told one of them how to access the SPOT tracker on the bike and instructed him to push its SOS button. Doing so sent a message to the GEOS Emergency Response Center in Houston, and local search-and-rescue organizations were notified.

"At 5:15, we received a medical alert from Texas, from the Coast Guard, saying there was a medical emergency," Carpenter said. The Weatherman then called out a "code red" over the radio, initiating an emergency response to the GPS location pinged by the tracker.

But by then, it was too late. Caselli had succumbed to his injuries. According to the autopsy report, he suffered no head trauma and died of internal injuries.

[Edited on 1-30-2014 by Ateo]
2x bike in the lead in the baja 1000 in relatively flat and accessible terrain 3 miles from a paved road, Kurt hits a cow at warp speed on the course, and lays there dying for 90 minutes while no one can find him? the tracker failed, the KTM team failed, and score failed! :(

chuckie - 1-30-2014 at 06:39 PM

In the end, its all about people........and their response

bajaguy - 1-30-2014 at 09:43 PM

Hey, willard....how did the "tracker" fail????


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Originally posted by willardguy
Quote:
Originally posted by Ateo
Quote:
Originally posted by willardguy
Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
SPOT recommends lithium batteries and you need spares for sure.

As for this tracking unit they have.....only would work as long as batteries are good and the unit is in a location that can send signal...and I don't know how strong their transponding is...but I am looking into the notion, SPOT being one of them.

I have had very mixed results with my SPOT.

Two years ago when leading a ride of 20 guys on an outback 3-day ride in BC, a guy crashed and was revived from as close to death as possible....5 SPOT units sent SOS....the authorities received the message but not the co-ordinates that were accurate.

4.5 hours later the helicopter arrived and the guy survived....the chopper got the correct co-ords from a phone call sent by a guy who rode out.....still a mystery as that situation.
they're certainly not infallible, think back to that awful day in november.:(






From what I read, the SPOT on Caselli's bike was working. They sent an SOS from it. But by that time it was too late. The problem was it wasn't on his body, where he may have been able to activate it earlier when he crashed. Maybe if the KTM chopper could have monitored the SPOT feed they could've flown to him? Maybe they were? Who knows? The SPOT was on his bike, far away from where he landed, says X Games article:

http://xgames.espn.go.com/rally-moto-x/article/10078322/kurt...



"When he got back, Ken told me there is no way anyone riding the same direction of the race would have found Kurt if he hadn't moved his bike," Orozco said. Ten minutes later, at 4:55 p.m., according to his tracker, Kawasaki team rider Ricky Brabec, who was in third place before the crash, spotted the orange bike leaned upright against a small tree and slowed to look for its rider. He then spotted Caselli and turned around.

At almost that exact moment, Ramirez arrived at the scene, dismounted his bike and ran to Caselli. Brabec rode to Ramirez but stayed on his bike. "I told Ivan, 'Stay strong,' and I left to go get help," Brabec said. As multiple reports began to filter in at pit stops and over the radio, the next few hours were filled with confusion, false reports and misinformation.

"When I got there, it was getting dark," Ramirez said. "Kurt wasn't breathing. When I got there, he was gone."

A few minutes later, Ramirez said Kosiorek returned and stayed with him until the ambulance arrived, followed by a group of Australian spectators he had alerted a few miles up the road. Ramirez told one of them how to access the SPOT tracker on the bike and instructed him to push its SOS button. Doing so sent a message to the GEOS Emergency Response Center in Houston, and local search-and-rescue organizations were notified.

"At 5:15, we received a medical alert from Texas, from the Coast Guard, saying there was a medical emergency," Carpenter said. The Weatherman then called out a "code red" over the radio, initiating an emergency response to the GPS location pinged by the tracker.

But by then, it was too late. Caselli had succumbed to his injuries. According to the autopsy report, he suffered no head trauma and died of internal injuries.

[Edited on 1-30-2014 by Ateo]
2x bike in the lead in the baja 1000 in relatively flat and accessible terrain 3 miles from a paved road, Kurt hits a cow at warp speed on the course, and lays there dying for 90 minutes while no one can find him? the tracker failed, the KTM team failed, and score failed! :(

willardguy - 1-30-2014 at 10:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Hey, willard....how did the "tracker" fail????


Quote:
Originally posted by willardguy
Quote:
Originally posted by Ateo
Quote:
Originally posted by willardguy
Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
SPOT recommends lithium batteries and you need spares for sure.

As for this tracking unit they have.....only would work as long as batteries are good and the unit is in a location that can send signal...and I don't know how strong their transponding is...but I am looking into the notion, SPOT being one of them.

I have had very mixed results with my SPOT.

Two years ago when leading a ride of 20 guys on an outback 3-day ride in BC, a guy crashed and was revived from as close to death as possible....5 SPOT units sent SOS....the authorities received the message but not the co-ordinates that were accurate.

4.5 hours later the helicopter arrived and the guy survived....the chopper got the correct co-ords from a phone call sent by a guy who rode out.....still a mystery as that situation.
they're certainly not infallible, think back to that awful day in november.:(






From what I read, the SPOT on Caselli's bike was working. They sent an SOS from it. But by that time it was too late. The problem was it wasn't on his body, where he may have been able to activate it earlier when he crashed. Maybe if the KTM chopper could have monitored the SPOT feed they could've flown to him? Maybe they were? Who knows? The SPOT was on his bike, far away from where he landed, says X Games article:

http://xgames.espn.go.com/rally-moto-x/article/10078322/kurt...



"When he got back, Ken told me there is no way anyone riding the same direction of the race would have found Kurt if he hadn't moved his bike," Orozco said. Ten minutes later, at 4:55 p.m., according to his tracker, Kawasaki team rider Ricky Brabec, who was in third place before the crash, spotted the orange bike leaned upright against a small tree and slowed to look for its rider. He then spotted Caselli and turned around.

At almost that exact moment, Ramirez arrived at the scene, dismounted his bike and ran to Caselli. Brabec rode to Ramirez but stayed on his bike. "I told Ivan, 'Stay strong,' and I left to go get help," Brabec said. As multiple reports began to filter in at pit stops and over the radio, the next few hours were filled with confusion, false reports and misinformation.

"When I got there, it was getting dark," Ramirez said. "Kurt wasn't breathing. When I got there, he was gone."

A few minutes later, Ramirez said Kosiorek returned and stayed with him until the ambulance arrived, followed by a group of Australian spectators he had alerted a few miles up the road. Ramirez told one of them how to access the SPOT tracker on the bike and instructed him to push its SOS button. Doing so sent a message to the GEOS Emergency Response Center in Houston, and local search-and-rescue organizations were notified.

"At 5:15, we received a medical alert from Texas, from the Coast Guard, saying there was a medical emergency," Carpenter said. The Weatherman then called out a "code red" over the radio, initiating an emergency response to the GPS location pinged by the tracker.

But by then, it was too late. Caselli had succumbed to his injuries. According to the autopsy report, he suffered no head trauma and died of internal injuries.

[Edited on 1-30-2014 by Ateo]
2x bike in the lead in the baja 1000 in relatively flat and accessible terrain 3 miles from a paved road, Kurt hits a cow at warp speed on the course, and lays there dying for 90 minutes while no one can find him? the tracker failed, the KTM team failed, and score failed! :(
how or why did the spot tracker fail? well thats the exact question everyone's asking. were these units capable of being real time trackers? if you followed, or tried to follow racers you found that 1x and 2x would not update for 20, 30 minutes at a time. last tracking put Kurt 8 to 10 miles from where he exited the race, both the KTM and the honda helicopters searching overhead to no avail. this was the first year for spot trackers and no doubt theres bugs to be worked out, and yes the SOS feature worked well, 90 minutes to late:(