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Vizcaino

DianaT - 2-1-2014 at 05:36 PM

I saw this and wondered if it was just sensational news, or what. So I verified with a friend that there are problems and they are quite concerned. They hope, and so do I, that the problems will be taken care of quickly.

Cartel in Vizcaino???

I so hope this is not totally true. But if it is, everyone should be aware and just take the usual precautions.

[Edited on 2-2-2014 by DianaT]

bajaguy - 2-1-2014 at 07:54 PM

The solution is in the hands of the people. The locals know who the bad guys are. If the locals do nothing, the problem will grow. The locals need to take action to rid their communities of the problem.

After the article, more than one one commenter suggested the formation of local self-defense groups. An excellent idea, community involvement for a cause..

shari - 2-1-2014 at 08:49 PM

the Pemex in Vizcaino a few days ago was full of Feds in bullet proof vests and machine guns...lots of vehicles and cops everywhere and the streets were very quiet...there was a shoot out there awhile back and the main drug dealer from Vizcaino was killed last week too...turf wars are on in our county.

DianaT - 2-1-2014 at 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by shari
the Pemex in Vizcaino a few days ago was full of Feds in bullet proof vests and machine guns...lots of vehicles and cops everywhere and the streets were very quiet...there was a shoot out there awhile back and the main drug dealer from Vizcaino was killed last week too...turf wars are on in our county.


Hate to see it happening down there.

Udo - 2-2-2014 at 09:18 AM

This drug thing is hitting a little too close to home.

I did not think we had any tweekers near BA, and whatever there is in Vizcaino, I hope the feds nip that one in the bud before it grows.

windgrrl - 2-2-2014 at 09:24 AM

Probably a little more going on than supply for local demand...
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/mar/2...

DianaT - 2-2-2014 at 09:38 AM

Udo

There are drug users and drug sellers everywhere, including Bahia Asuncion. Everyone pretty much knows who they are; or at least are suspicious as to who they are. Drugs are everywhere.

But the mention of a major cartel maybe moving into the area, well let's hope they are moved right out.

churro - 2-2-2014 at 09:51 AM

Has there been any harm to regular people?

I have read that when the cartels move in, the first thing they do is pay off the law enforcement; then they can run a muck with kid nappings, extortion and any thing else they need to do to protect and fund their operation.

I can tell you that this gang problem is not confined SOB. We had 3 shooting in the south side of our community here in the LA area last month. it was some kind of gang turf war. We had a large community march on MLK day to bring our community together and bring light to the problem. So far, all is quiet.

in my opinion, it will take more than the Feds to control this situation, the community must get involved. I agree with Bajaguy

[Edited on 2-2-2014 by churro]

shari - 2-2-2014 at 09:54 AM

Drugs are everywhere and there have always been cartels to control it...this is simply a changing of the guard...an attempt to take over a territory. Vizcaino is a major truck stop so has alot of demand...there are also problems in Sta.Rosalia as it is a big market...port etc too.

Luckily in our village, it is now widespread and the families are close so can sort of keep things under control. Fishermen and construction workers have money so theft is not usually a problem. The dealers who show up are run out of town pretty quick.

vgabndo - 2-2-2014 at 10:10 AM

I noticed in the "comments" portion of the link that Diana posted that someone was calling out a BA person for renting a house to dealers. It is all "handles", but it seems like the local police should be able to figure out who it was. Here's hoping.

churro - 2-2-2014 at 11:21 AM

In our community in LA area NOB, the gang/drug violence was a very sad situation, 3 killings, 2 were teenagers. The day of our community march to protest the violence, the main speakers were the parents, grandparents and local people who knew the families of the teenagers for generations.

It seemed that the lure of quick easy money for the teenagers was too tempting and it cost them their lives.

Sad what drugs can do to families and communities in any country.

shari - 2-2-2014 at 12:57 PM

I know the people well who rented people a room...they had NO idea they were dealers but couldn't get them to leave. Everyone is pretty intimidated when they meet these low lifes and dont want to ruffle any cartel feathers.

In a small town, pretty much everyone knows what's going on but the local traffic cops here are powerless to act or arent feather rufflers either. By the way, that dealer got taken out a couple weeks ago on the highway near
Vizcaino so no worries about him hangin around town now...sheesh.

RenoJoe - 2-2-2014 at 10:29 PM

That's what happens when you get rid of potholes.

DianaT - 2-3-2014 at 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by RenoJoe
That's what happens when you get rid of potholes.


It does have its downsides.

BajaLuna - 2-4-2014 at 04:47 PM

I agree Churro! it's very sad.

the effects of addiction on all our communities because of drugs impacts all of us.

Tweekers are in every town!

Yes, the drug thing IS hitting too close to home (BA), but it's hitting too close to home anywhere and everywhere we live. It's all around us, unfortunately. Small towns big towns it doesn't matter.

When we start to deal with the demand side of it perhaps things will get better on the supply side of it. The U.S. is the biggest buyer of those drugs!

Perhaps it would benefit BA to have a place where addicts and their families can go to get help and resources. An out-reach program, and/or a 12-step program etc. It takes a village to take a stand and put some programs in place! Just a thought! The unfortunate thing is, addiction is surrounded by shame and secrets, and unfortunately all too often gets swept under the rug even by the Authorities...and it's hard at times for people with addiction and their families to get honest and to seek out help. So sad!

Let's hope those who need it, get help.... and those who run the drugs get locked up for a long time!

DianaT - 2-4-2014 at 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by BajaLuna
I agree Churro! it's very sad.

the effects of addiction on all our communities because of drugs impacts all of us.

Tweekers are in every town!

Yes, the drug thing IS hitting too close to home (BA), but it's hitting too close to home anywhere and everywhere we live. It's all around us, unfortunately. Small towns big towns it doesn't matter.

When we start to deal with the demand side of it perhaps things will get better on the supply side of it. The U.S. is the biggest buyer of those drugs!

Perhaps it would benefit BA to have a place where addicts and their families can go to get help and resources. An out-reach program, and/or a 12-step program etc. It takes a village to take a stand and put some programs in place! Just a thought! The unfortunate thing is, addiction is surrounded by shame and secrets, and unfortunately all too often gets swept under the rug even by the Authorities...and it's hard at times for people with addiction and their families to get honest and to seek out help. So sad!

Let's hope those who need it, get help.... and those who run the drugs get locked up for a long time!


There are drug and alcohol abuse programs in the area. This is more about a cartel wanting to take over the business of the local dealers.

Bajahowodd - 2-4-2014 at 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by shari
Drugs are everywhere and there have always been cartels to control it...this is simply a changing of the guard...an attempt to take over a territory. Vizcaino is a major truck stop so has alot of demand...there are also problems in Sta.Rosalia as it is a big market...port etc too.

Luckily in our village, it is now widespread and the families are close so can sort of keep things under control. Fishermen and construction workers have money so theft is not usually a problem. The dealers who show up are run out of town pretty quick.


The fact that Santa Rosalia is a port city that has multiple landings of ferries and other ships from the mainland, is why the army checkpoint outside of San Ignacio has been and still is, the most thorough on the entire peninsula.

Udo - 2-4-2014 at 06:15 PM

Thanks for the reassurance of life's normalcy in BA, Shari.

Even so, Vizcaino is over an hour east of our town, and probably not worth the hassle because of the extra drive, for the drugggies.
Quote:
Originally posted by shari
Drugs are everywhere and there have always been cartels to control it...this is simply a changing of the guard...an attempt to take over a territory. Vizcaino is a major truck stop so has alot of demand...there are also problems in Sta.Rosalia as it is a big market...port etc too.

Luckily in our village, it is now widespread and the families are close so can sort of keep things under control. Fishermen and construction workers have money so theft is not usually a problem. The dealers who show up are run out of town pretty quick.

shari - 2-4-2014 at 08:39 PM

there is a new AA program in the DIF office now and something that helps here in Asuncion is that the fishing cooperativa do lots of drug testing and have a 3 strike you are out policy. When they test positive for meth, they send you to rehab.