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Medical Marijuana and Mexico

pauldavidmena - 2-16-2014 at 09:00 AM

I didn't see a specific topic for this, so I thought I'd post here. States like Colorado have grabbed the headlines by legalizing recreational use of marijuana, but Massachusetts just voted in favor of medicinal marijuana dispensaries. I don't partake of the sweet leaf myself, but was curious as to whether there is any such thing in Mexico. It would seem odd to me to be able to purchase many drugs requiring a prescription in the U.S. over the counter in Mexico but to have pot banned and its use dealt with very harshly. :o

DENNIS - 2-16-2014 at 09:12 AM

Nothing that I've heard of.
There are large freeway signs now before entering Mexico that flat say don't take medical pot into, or out of Mexico.

pauldavidmena - 2-16-2014 at 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
There are large freeway signs now before entering Mexico that flat say don't take medical pot into, or out of Mexico.


The things I miss living on the East Coast! :lol:

Bajajorge - 2-16-2014 at 09:45 AM

I have heard something about the Mexican Congress discussing the possibility of medical MJ, but I haven't heard the outcome. It was only going to be allowed around Mexico City anyway. Guess if you need some relief from whatever MJ is supposed to relieve you'll have to move to Mexico City if you want to partake.:biggrin:

pauldavidmena - 2-16-2014 at 09:46 AM

Seriously, it makes sense that marijuana can't be brought into or out of the country. The question is: can it be purchased legally for medicinal use?

DENNIS - 2-16-2014 at 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by pauldavidmena
Seriously, it makes sense that marijuana can't be brought into or out of the country. The question is: can it be purchased legally for medicinal use?


No.

Loretana - 2-16-2014 at 09:59 AM

Mexican citizens have had the right to possess 40 grams of marijuana for use if they are "vicios" for many years.

They may have had to endure arrest, an "auto formal de prision" and incarceration, but they were generally released according to that "vicio" (addict) provision.

I was aware of many such cases when I lived in Oaxaca.

vgabndo - 2-16-2014 at 10:52 AM

The new freeway sign that has been reported does not exist on the approaches to the Tecate crossing, but it certainly brings-up the specter of the madness that is US law. A person with a permit to use cannabis in California is a felon for the few minutes they are under the control of the Feds at the border. That is plenty of time to turn a $100. citation, for a person without a permit, into a prison term.

Also note that it is a federal crime for a person with a compassionate use permit for cannabis to possess a gun. No person who uses Heroin, PCP, Cocaine or Pot is allowed to own a gun. These are ALL Schedule 1 narcotics don't you know. Possessing a permit has been considered proof of use.

Also please note that alcohol is involved in 70% of criminal cases that involve imprisonment, but an abject alcoholic CAN own a gun.

bajaguy - 2-16-2014 at 11:09 AM

Oh boy, more problems on the road.....

http://alcoholism.about.com/b/2012/02/15/smoking-weed-double...

vgabndo - 2-16-2014 at 03:38 PM

So Baja guy, your source is a guy who goes by his Alcoholics Anonymous name (really!) and cites one study which involved crunching the numbers generated when reviewing written records of the blood tests of dead people. There is more than enough reason for this to raise eyebrows!

http://norml.org/library/item/marijuana-and-driving-a-review...

You'll be at the risk of being propagandized, so just skip down to the summaries of the 7 studies they cite.

You might want to also look at the fairly new study out of England which shows that FATIGUE is about equal to an alkie blowing a .05.
http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/fatigue-and-road-safet...
If I'm not mistaken, that makes being very tired a greater risk than being loaded.

EnsenadaDr - 2-16-2014 at 03:41 PM

I am hoping we will all start using the new forum topic Health and Wellness for any medical related topics!!:yes:

mtgoat666 - 2-16-2014 at 03:53 PM

My non-scientific observation of people I know that have med pot Rx: 5 percent have a real med problem, 95 percent just like the minimized law enforcement risk of buying legal pot to get baked, or prefer to buy their recreational drug from legal biz entity instead of local pusher man.

California situation is proof that most med pot customers are just seeking legal high :lol:

bajaguy - 2-16-2014 at 04:03 PM

Dude.........

Chill , toke up, sit back and have some munchies....you are WAY uptight. While you are relaxing, try and focus on this:

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/pot-fuels-surge-dr...

I have had enough problems with drunk drivers in my lifetime, I don't need to add stoned drivers as well..........

Have you contemplated a move to Colorado or Washington??: lol:

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Originally posted by vgabndo
So Baja guy, your source is a guy who goes by his Alcoholics Anonymous name (really!) and cites one study which involved crunching the numbers generated when reviewing written records of the blood tests of dead people. There is more than enough reason for this to raise eyebrows!

http://norml.org/library/item/marijuana-and-driving-a-review...

You'll be at the risk of being propagandized, so just skip down to the summaries of the 7 studies they cite.

You might want to also look at the fairly new study out of England which shows that FATIGUE is about equal to an alkie blowing a .05.
http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/fatigue-and-road-safet...
If I'm not mistaken, that makes being very tired a greater risk than being loaded.

mtgoat666 - 2-16-2014 at 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Dude.........

Chill , toke up, sit back and have some munchies....you are WAY uptight. While you are relaxing, try and focus on this:

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/pot-fuels-surge-dr...

I have had enough problems with drunk drivers in my lifetime, I don't need to add stoned drivers as well..........

Have you contemplated a move to Colorado or Washington??: lol:

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Originally posted by vgabndo
So Baja guy, your source is a guy who goes by his Alcoholics Anonymous name (really!) and cites one study which involved crunching the numbers generated when reviewing written records of the blood tests of dead people. There is more than enough reason for this to raise eyebrows!

http://norml.org/library/item/marijuana-and-driving-a-review...

You'll be at the risk of being propagandized, so just skip down to the summaries of the 7 studies they cite.

You might want to also look at the fairly new study out of England which shows that FATIGUE is about equal to an alkie blowing a .05.
http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/fatigue-and-road-safet...
If I'm not mistaken, that makes being very tired a greater risk than being loaded.


Drink responsibly

Toke responsibly

Slow down, share the road

Peace out!

monoloco - 2-17-2014 at 07:35 AM

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Originally posted by bajaguy


I have had enough problems with drunk drivers in my lifetime, I don't need to add stoned drivers as well..........

So I take it that you are all for the prohibition of alcohol?

bajaguy - 2-17-2014 at 08:38 AM

I am all for not adding to the problems we already have, with drunk drivers. Adding stoned drivers to that mix will compound the problem. After a year or so it will be interesting to see what statistics come out of Colorado and Washington.


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Originally posted by monoloco
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Originally posted by bajaguy


I have had enough problems with drunk drivers in my lifetime, I don't need to add stoned drivers as well..........

So I take it that you are all for the prohibition of alcohol?

gnukid - 2-17-2014 at 08:49 AM

Small amounts are tolerated, and widely accepted for health benefits, if observed on your person in public it is considered a delito de salud and may require a conversation with a counselor after three such events.

DENNIS - 2-17-2014 at 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Small amounts are tolerated, and widely accepted for health benefits, if observed on your person in public it is considered a delito de salud and may require a conversation with a counselor after three such events.


Any foreigner/tourist down here who gets jambed up holding any amount of dope can expect a conversation or two beyond that point.
These laws ...rules....whatever they are, aren't written for our benefit unless one can afford a law firm to follow him around.
Buena suerte . You'll need all you can buy.

monoloco - 2-17-2014 at 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
I am all for not adding to the problems we already have, with drunk drivers. Adding stoned drivers to that mix will compound the problem. After a year or so it will be interesting to see what statistics come out of Colorado and Washington.


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Originally posted by monoloco
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Originally posted by bajaguy


I have had enough problems with drunk drivers in my lifetime, I don't need to add stoned drivers as well..........

So I take it that you are all for the prohibition of alcohol?
Since alcohol is by far a larger problem in terms of impaired driving and deleterious health effects why should the legality of it be tolerated over a far less harmful substance?

gnukid - 2-17-2014 at 09:11 AM

Yep, same with everyone depending on variables, but the reality is there is no incarceration for small amounts for personal use such as in the home. All other variables may cause a much more severe response. Daily there are reports of arrests and formal prison incarceration for amounts larger than personal use. I don't have personal experience, I just read the paper and chat with friends. Mileage may vary.

Ateo - 2-17-2014 at 09:28 AM

People are, and have been driving stoned forever.

wessongroup - 2-17-2014 at 09:43 AM

Think your right Ateo ... drunk Roman's driving chariots, will bet there were a few ... not sure about them doing "herb" ... just saying :lol::lol:

While in Mexico ... be careful :biggrin::biggrin:

[Edited on 2-17-2014 by wessongroup]

Bajajorge - 2-17-2014 at 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
Oh boy, more problems on the road.....

http://alcoholism.about.com/b/2012/02/15/smoking-weed-double...


My take on the legalization of MJ has always been, driving under the influence of alcohol has killed thousands yearly. So let's legalize MJ and kill a few thousand more.
You need medical marijuana, go get some pills, they've been making them for years.
Does anybody out there have the stats for how many fraudulent "Medical Marijuana" scripts are floating around out there?

vgabndo - 2-17-2014 at 12:28 PM

Bajaguy, it is likely we have little on which to agree. I continue to question your choice of research to support your point.

Your most recent offering says NOTHING about the culpability of the person testing positive for THC in their fatal accident. Since the debilitating effects on motor skills and judgement, when they occur, only last at most a couple of hours, and the presence of THC in a person's blood can persist for weeks or longer your study only proves that more people are smoking cannabis in 2010 than in 1999 and that some of them die on the highway, but it does NOT say they died because they were using cannabis. Your study also does not make any distinction between victims who had THC in their systems and those with THC and a fatal load of alcohol. (a really bad combo.)

http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/drugtestguide/drugtestdet...

Exhaustive testing of people in driving simulator devices, or in controlled driving tests, and the collection of scientific data related to impairment of motor skills and judgement seem to support the idea that only cannabis users with a fresh, heavy dose in their systems demonstrate impairment at a level beyond the variability seen when comparing age, gender or legal alcohol consumption to accident rates.

Your main stream media report is also spiked with emotional non-scientific information about the potential results of impaired driving. We all know a story of a tragic highway death, we are all pained by them, to use these emotional anecdotes to counter the research is propaganda.

In a state where vendors routinely give away alcohol for free, and 24 hours a day, I can understand how you could be upset about pervasive impaired driving, but I don't think cannabis is as much a worry as even cell phone use, which has proven as debilitating as blowing a .08. http://www.distraction.gov/download/research-pdf/comparison-...

I'm not interested in moving to Washington, Colorado, OR Nevada.:cool: I'd like to see a much more rational approach starting at the national level. It could begin by eliminating one of the falsehoods contained in your latest link. Cannabis is not a narcotic, and should never have been classified as such. Then we can begin to talk about how cannabis prohibition fuels the prison industrial complex and how that relates to continued prohibition. It is a long topic, and the emerging medical information makes the substance even more intriguing Ensenada Dr.

Bajajorge - 2-18-2014 at 10:59 AM

The politicians are running out of tobacco tax money due to everyone following the advise to quit smoking cigarettes, cigars and using chew.
Politicians have to replace that lost tax money, so they now fall over themselves in legalizing and taxing MJ. I wonder what they'll tax next after they decide to ban MJ again in years to come?