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Mulege House on the River

divemulege - 3-2-2014 at 10:32 AM

Construction has started on the dams in the mountains. That means no more flooded on the river in the near future!! This house was once valued at $160K Values are going to go up quick!! Hacienda style custom Mulege 2 master bedrooms, 2 complete bathrooms, house for sale on river. It is in Oasis on the river. It is on the back row of the houses. It was just completely remodeled with Laja (flagstone) walls in the bathrooms, one bathroom with over sized tub and shower the 2nd with large shower, fireplace, built in fridge, rooms on opposite sides of the house, A/C through entire house, all services, storage area, nice living room, nice exterior with large patio and motorhome space with hookups, large built in BBQ, all new electrical and lighting, new custom front door and 107 year old bodega door (right door in pics), extremely secure and safe area that is all American/Canadian, more photos upon request, Includes furniture included, $42,900. USA 949 544 1111, Mexico 615 110 58 48, 615 107 84 07 or email. Here is a video. copy and paste:
http://youtu.be/zTkqDb1RUAA

woody with a view - 3-2-2014 at 10:42 AM

you should pan slower. i got dizzy after 45 seconds! what is the lease like?

Bob H - 3-2-2014 at 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by divemulege
Construction has started on the dams in the mountains. That means no more flooded on the river in the near future!!


Would like to have more information about the dams....:?:

divemulege - 3-2-2014 at 11:18 AM

I am going to take some pics of the work today. There are putting in a new river right now in the valley. The riverbed when finished is going to be 10 meters deep and 100 meters wide. They are doing three damns with the largest one made for holding water for the Bolero Mine. Supposedly the mines paid the government for the project and I think that is what got the project moving. Always heard they were suppose to happen but did not believe it until I saw it with my own eyes. If someone can tell me how to post pics I will put some pics up. I will also take some video.

Sorry about the video. My daughter took that one. I started to get dizzy watching it. LOL. The lease is $221 per month.

David K - 3-2-2014 at 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by divemulege
I am going to take some pics of the work today. ... If someone can tell me how to post pics I will put some pics up. I will also take some video.

Sorry about the video. My daughter took that one. I started to get dizzy watching it. LOL. The lease is $221 per month.




There are many photo hosting sites, Photobucket.com is one used by many here, it is free for basic membership and very cheap for advanced.

1) Create an album for your trip or subject on Photobucket.

2) Click Upload (top center) to transfer photos from your PC folder to your Photobucket album.

3) Click on the gear symbol on the right corner of the box you see on the screen...





4) Select 800 (full size) or 640 (large size) for Nomad posting...



100x75 is the Avatar size, fyi.

5) Click SAVE!

6) Select photos you want to share on Nomad (or other forums) by pressing the Choose Photos & Videos button (or for the entire folder of photos, click Choose Folder).


Once done with uploading photos, make your post here on Baja Nomad and add photos using the IMG link from the choices of links for each photo in your album. Copy and paste that link in your Nomad thread, double spacing between links. Add a caption to the photo if desired... Click Preview Post to check your post... if okay, click Post Reply.

Udo - 3-2-2014 at 12:42 PM

However brief the film was, the house looks great.
You should have an easy time selling it.

divemulege - 3-2-2014 at 03:55 PM

Thanks for taking your time out to explain it. I will get it up tomorrow. Taking it easy today.

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Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by divemulege
I am going to take some pics of the work today. ... If someone can tell me how to post pics I will put some pics up. I will also take some video.

Sorry about the video. My daughter took that one. I started to get dizzy watching it. LOL. The lease is $221 per month.




There are many photo hosting sites, Photobucket.com is one used by many here, it is free for basic membership and very cheap for advanced.

1) Create an album for your trip or subject on Photobucket.

2) Click Upload (top center) to transfer photos from your PC folder to your Photobucket album.

3) Click on the gear symbol on the right corner of the box you see on the screen...





4) Select 800 (full size) or 640 (large size) for Nomad posting...



100x75 is the Avatar size, fyi.

5) Click SAVE!

6) Select photos you want to share on Nomad (or other forums) by pressing the Choose Photos & Videos button (or for the entire folder of photos, click Choose Folder).


Once done with uploading photos, make your post here on Baja Nomad and add photos using the IMG link from the choices of links for each photo in your album. Copy and paste that link in your Nomad thread, double spacing between links. Add a caption to the photo if desired... Click Preview Post to check your post... if okay, click Post Reply.

David K - 3-2-2014 at 04:37 PM

No problema at all. This was already posted ... happy to
help.

chuckie - 3-3-2014 at 03:26 PM

So? where are the pics...????

motoged - 3-3-2014 at 03:34 PM

Perhaps a bit premature to predict "a new river" and "no more floods".

Mother nature builds rivers....not mining companies or government engineers.

As you know....some dreams are nightmares in disguise :light:

vandenberg - 3-3-2014 at 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
Perhaps a bit premature to predict "a new river" and "no more floods".

Mother nature builds rivers....not mining companies or government engineers.

As you know....some dreams are nightmares in disguise :light:


Truer words were never spoken:saint::biggrin:

Bajahowodd - 3-3-2014 at 06:01 PM

Have to be honest in that I came very close to buying down there a few years ago. But the floods made me change my mind.

Mulege is a wonderful place. I would love to know more details about the dam project. If they can fix the flooding problem, I'll be in.

divemulege - 3-3-2014 at 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Have to be honest in that I came very close to buying down there a few years ago. But the floods made me change my mind.

Mulege is a wonderful place. I would love to know more details about the dam project. If they can fix the flooding problem, I'll be in.


FYI, we did not get flooding before because the river was not full of crap. Take away volume and the water has to go somewhere. Now they are making a very deep river bed and building dams to stop the water flow. The mine put in the majority of the money so the government started doing the work to complete. But I guess the negative people on this forum will always be grumpy and have nothing but negative things to say.

I will post a video in a few minutes of the work going on right now. They are building a 11km long river bed 300 meters wide and supposedly 30 meters deep. They have 7 earth movers and now 5 D9 doing the work. They have also widen the roads going into the mountains so they can bring heavy equipment up to build 3 damns. They already have built one.

chuckie - 3-3-2014 at 07:17 PM

FYI: We have had a LOT of floods in Mulege over the years, and it has had nothing to do with the river being "full of crap" It is pure volume. When the water is 2 feet below the hiway bridge, nothing, nothing is going to stop it. I hope the dams (not damns) do some good. We shall see...If you havnt been here and seen it, you can not even imagine the power...

motoged - 3-3-2014 at 07:26 PM

It's not an issue of negative or grumpy people....

Trying to sell a house in a known flood zone is a difficult thing....but pretending it will never happen again is an issue of denial and/or naivety....sort of real estate BS thinking/talk.

Mulege is a place dear to my heart and I would sure like to believe that the dam and river work will solve the problem of where 30 inches of rain in four hours is going to go....I am just not convinced that the issue is that simple.....but I don't have a house in a flood zone I am trying to sell.

You can put lipstick on a pig.....

I have been west of Mulege near the height of land after tropical storms and have seen flotsam 10 feet or more up in the trees/cactus, etc....and I don't think they will be managing floods that high with dams and deepening the waterways (San Raymundo).

I hope I am wrong.

I am not being negative as much as I think I am looking at the realities of climate change and its effects on "normal" weather patterns.

So, sorry the business and home didn't work out for you and your family....but if your optimism about dams etc is real, why sell the Oasis house?

[Edited on 3-4-2014 by motoged]

divemulege - 3-3-2014 at 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
It's not an issue of negative or grumpy people....

Trying to sell a house in a known flood zone is a difficult thing....but pretending it will never happen again is an issue of denial and/or naivety....sort of real estate BS thinking/talk.

Mulege is a place dear to my heart and I would sure like to believe that the dam and river work will solve the problem of where 30 inches of rain in four hours is going to go....I am just not convinced that the issue is that simple.....but I don't have a house in a flood zone I am trying to sell.

You can put lipstick on a pig.....

I have been west of Mulege near the height of land after tropical storms and have seen flotsam 10 feet or more up in the trees/cactus, etc....and I don't think they will be managing floods that high with dams and deepening the waterways (San Raymundo).

I hope I am wrong.

I am not being negative as much as I think I am looking at the realities of climate change and its effects on "normal" weather patterns.

So, sorry the business and home didn't work out for you and your family....but if your optimism about dams etc is real, why sell the Oasis house?

[Edited on 3-4-2014 by motoged]


I actually purchased another house in the "flood zone". I am not closing the dive shop and I am not leaving the area. I believe that this will alleviate the problem hence why I say you are so negative. Why do you even post on post of other people? Keyboard quarterbacks are always the best online. In person, not!

divemulege - 3-3-2014 at 07:52 PM

Here is the link of the construction going on.
http://youtu.be/DyPrQDCS9-E
Next time I take the RZR back to the mountains I will post the construction going on there too. It amazes me that the people that do not live on the river always like to slam the people that do!!! I will enjoy my new house on the river also!

divemulege - 3-3-2014 at 08:02 PM

Also, cliff has sold two houses in the last three weeks and there has been four houses sold in the last three months in Oasis.

cocoscabana - 3-3-2014 at 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by divemulege

I will post a video in a few minutes of the work going on right now. They are building a 11km long river bed 300 meters wide and supposedly 30 meters deep. They have 7 earth movers and now 5 D9 doing the work. They have also widen the roads going into the mountains so they can bring heavy equipment up to build 3 damns. They already have built one.


Having viewed the video, it appears that the "11km long river bed" is in the centre of the flat valley floor, near to Mulege. So it will still drain downriver into Mulege? Where are they building 3 dams and will they overflow into Mulege river, or out through the low area in the vicinity of CREAD, in the northeastern area behind Mulege which leads over towards Santa Ynez? To go in that direction, it would need a channel constructed.

And another thought...30 meters deep? Is that below sea level in the middle of the agricultural valley?

Having seen how high the river rises, I wonder???????

divemulege - 3-3-2014 at 08:24 PM

Motoged, you are a guy that comes once a week a year to Baja. I have lived in Mexico, not Baja, for 9 years. My wife was born and raised in Mexico. You live in Canada. I guess because you belong to Baja Nomads that makes you Mr. Mexico and the authority on Mexico. What a joke!

KurtG - 3-3-2014 at 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by divemulege
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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Have to be honest in that I came very close to buying down there a few years ago. But the floods made me change my mind.

Mulege is a wonderful place. I would love to know more details about the dam project. If they can fix the flooding problem, I'll be in.


FYI, we did not get flooding before because the river was not full of crap. Take away volume and the water has to go somewhere. Now they are making a very deep river bed and building dams to stop the water flow. The mine put in the majority of the money so the government started doing the work to complete. But I guess the negative people on this forum will always be grumpy and have nothing but negative things to say.

I will post a video in a few minutes of the work going on right now. They are building a 11km long river bed 300 meters wide and supposedly 30 meters deep. They have 7 earth movers and now 5 D9 doing the work. They have also widen the roads going into the mountains so they can bring heavy equipment up to build 3 damns. They already have built one.


Good Lord! Have you computed how many cubic meters of dirt is involved in a channel 300 meters wide and 90 meters deep and 11km long? For non-metric types that is nearly 1000 feet wide, 100 feet deep and 7 miles long. Just on the face of it I find this unbelievable. We're talking Panama Canal excavation here. Hard to take seriously.

divemulege - 3-3-2014 at 08:46 PM

Yeah, It is a lot. Do not expect them to finish this year. I imagine it is a couple year project. They are making ground but they have only been working on about 4 km so far. I went today and they had done about twice as much as they had done two weeks ago. Mexico is not as incompetent as you think though when it comes to dams and rivers these days. Not sure about the roads though. LOL
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Originally posted by KurtG
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Originally posted by divemulege
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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Have to be honest in that I came very close to buying down there a few years ago. But the floods made me change my mind.

Mulege is a wonderful place. I would love to know more details about the dam project. If they can fix the flooding problem, I'll be in.


FYI, we did not get flooding before because the river was not full of crap. Take away volume and the water has to go somewhere. Now they are making a very deep river bed and building dams to stop the water flow. The mine put in the majority of the money so the government started doing the work to complete. But I guess the negative people on this forum will always be grumpy and have nothing but negative things to say.

I will post a video in a few minutes of the work going on right now. They are building a 11km long river bed 300 meters wide and supposedly 30 meters deep. They have 7 earth movers and now 5 D9 doing the work. They have also widen the roads going into the mountains so they can bring heavy equipment up to build 3 damns. They already have built one.


Good Lord! Have you computed how many cubic meters of dirt is involved in a channel 300 meters wide and 90 meters deep and 11km long? For non-metric types that is nearly 1000 feet wide, 100 feet deep and 7 miles long. Just on the face of it I find this unbelievable. We're talking Panama Canal excavation here. Hard to take seriously.

divemulege - 3-3-2014 at 08:51 PM

I also heard it was going to be 100 m wide by 10 m. I was told by someone else the other dimensions. I am going to go by on Wednesday and ask them first hand so I can get the correct information. 300m by 30m sounds pretty extreme to me.

cocoscabana - 3-3-2014 at 09:01 PM

Divemulege...can you start a new thread on this???

KurtG - 3-3-2014 at 09:27 PM

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Originally posted by divemulege
I also heard it was going to be 100 m wide by 10 m. I was told by someone else the other dimensions. I am going to go by on Wednesday and ask them first hand so I can get the correct information. 300m by 30m sounds pretty extreme to me.


Your earlier post says I think Mexico incompetent in this type of engineering which is something I did not say. Don't put words in my mouth or attribute attitudes to me which I do not hold and did not express. I questioned the dimensions you posted which on brief examination seem impossible.

New Thread and get this back on-point

Mulegena - 3-3-2014 at 09:30 PM

Yes, this is big news for Mulege and the peninsula and deserves its own thread.

I finally got my computer configured to enable HTML5 so I could watch your video. This is real. I'm going out to see it, too.

motoged - 3-3-2014 at 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by divemulege
.... Why do you even post on post of other people? Keyboard quarterbacks are always the best online. In person, not!


DM,
????????:?::?::?::?::?::?:

I don't understand your "post on post" comment. What do you mean?

I am not a keyboard q'back....I am just not as sure as you that the engineering upstream will solve the flood problem near the town. I have seen the flood damage way out to the west and doubt they are placing dams there....but I may be assuming something here about dam locations.

I am glad your dive business is surviving....and it really is unfortunate that your wife's pizza joint is not continuing. Her pizza was good....but I have had better. I thought and still think that the concept is a good one.

Don't know what you are getting so peey about...but if you want to get personal, try it with someone else. Your personal attack on me is unwarranted....it seems I hit a nerve somehow. I spend more time in Baja than you are aware of, but your time in Mexico doesn't justify your rudeness to me in this thread.

Good luck selling your house....and hope the other one survives high water.

[Edited on 3-4-2014 by motoged]

divemulege - 3-4-2014 at 09:08 AM

Kurt,
I did not mean to offend. I too think it is a huge project to tackle but they are putting a lot of resources to it. I have always thought in the past that Mexico construction was a joke but in the last 10 years they have brought a lot of consultants in from the States and elsewhere to teach them how to do it right. I believe you were right on with your comment. I will update with videos twice a month to show progress on another thread.

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Originally posted by KurtG
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Originally posted by divemulege
I also heard it was going to be 100 m wide by 10 m. I was told by someone else the other dimensions. I am going to go by on Wednesday and ask them first hand so I can get the correct information. 300m by 30m sounds pretty extreme to me.


Your earlier post says I think Mexico incompetent in this type of engineering which is something I did not say. Don't put words in my mouth or attribute attitudes to me which I do not hold and did not express. I questioned the dimensions you posted which on brief examination seem impossible.

divemulege - 3-4-2014 at 09:11 AM

Motoged,
Any post I put up you have nothing but negative comments. You guys can go look at my post in the classifieds for restaurant equipment for sale and see the same negative quotes. Just gets old listening to people that do not live in Mexico full time, let alone come for a week or two a year, to constantly belittle others on a Mexico forum post like they are Mr. Mexico. Go away and do not post on my post anymore. Hell, this is a house for sale not a forum for conversation. Funny is everyone I ask here about you they all say you are a ****.
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Originally posted by motoged
Quote:
Originally posted by divemulege
.... Why do you even post on post of other people? Keyboard quarterbacks are always the best online. In person, not!


DM,
????????:?::?::?::?::?::?:

I don't understand your "post on post" comment. What do you mean?

I am not a keyboard q'back....I am just not as sure as you that the engineering upstream will solve the flood problem near the town. I have seen the flood damage way out to the west and doubt they are placing dams there....but I may be assuming something here about dam locations.

I am glad your dive business is surviving....and it really is unfortunate that your wife's pizza joint is not continuing. Her pizza was good....but I have had better. I thought and still think that the concept is a good one.

Don't know what you are getting so peey about...but if you want to get personal, try it with someone else. Your personal attack on me is unwarranted....it seems I hit a nerve somehow. I spend more time in Baja than you are aware of, but your time in Mexico doesn't justify your rudeness to me in this thread.

Good luck selling your house....and hope the other one survives high water.

[Edited on 3-4-2014 by motoged]

motoged - 3-4-2014 at 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by divemulege
.... Funny is everyone I ask here about you they all say you are a ****.

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Originally posted by divemulege


DM,
What is really funny is that no one in Mulege knows me....I have met two Mulege individuals prior to a gathering at Laura's GatoGordo in January this year....Al (moto guy) and a woman who is a friend of a friend in BC.

While I do not have any sense of the woman's opinion of me, I believe that Al and I enjoyed each other's company with motorcycle riding being our common interest....

The other opinions you have gleaned have come from folks who have never met me and who had previously formed an opinion about me based, most likely, on my posts on Baja Nomads.

I am opinionated at times and am also a likeable soul in most situations (try talking with people who have actually met me....). I can live with all that.

Your insults say more about you than me.

I guess giving my opinions about pizza and cinnamon buns has irritated you....and while it was not my intention, I will let you manage your emotional reactions in your own way.

divemulege - 3-4-2014 at 07:12 PM

MG,
What irritates me is that you are on my post about selling my house talking about the restaurant. You are also knocking the river when you do not even live here. I live in Mexico because I have a Mexican wife and I love Mexico. I did not move here because I could not deal with the USA, because I was running for the law or anything else. You say that American cannot make it here in business but I do not even run the restaurant or work at it. It is completely Mexican ran and owned. I think locals stay in business because they will accept making $2000 per month. It is not worth it to me for my wife to work all those hours and only make $100 per day. The dive shop does extremely well during the season and it makes sense. Stop posting on post when nobody wants to hear your input unless it is positive. Negativity gets you know where but enemies!

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Originally posted by motoged
Quote:
Originally posted by divemulege
.... Funny is everyone I ask here about you they all say you are a ****.

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Originally posted by divemulege


DM,
What is really funny is that no one in Mulege knows me....I have met two Mulege individuals prior to a gathering at Laura's GatoGordo in January this year....Al (moto guy) and a woman who is a friend of a friend in BC.

While I do not have any sense of the woman's opinion of me, I believe that Al and I enjoyed each other's company with motorcycle riding being our common interest....

The other opinions you have gleaned have come from folks who have never met me and who had previously formed an opinion about me based, most likely, on my posts on Baja Nomads.

I am opinionated at times and am also a likeable soul in most situations (try talking with people who have actually met me....). I can live with all that.

Your insults say more about you than me.

I guess giving my opinions about pizza and cinnamon buns has irritated you....and while it was not my intention, I will let you manage your emotional reactions in your own way.

Well now !!

captkw - 3-4-2014 at 07:37 PM

first the san jose marina,,then La ribera Gig and lets not forget the nautical stairway...ohh and bay of the dead,, aka "los Sueno's....Napolo....port escondido....I love Baja and all its.charms....But Cabo was a nice place not to long ago IMO... as for a damn on the river...hope its done right the first time...after all...We are all only humans...and we cant give up !!! PS...almost forgot,,what was that Big,Orange tall a$$ building that stood near the bay in La Paz forever,,empty??

[Edited on 3-5-2014 by captkw]

rts551 - 3-4-2014 at 07:59 PM

When, not if, another event like John, Julio, or Jimena hits the area I wonder how well the dams will work? 100x10 meters is not much given the amount of water that flowed during those events....and could the dams make it worse? Hold water back until they break loose....

Hope the Engineering is there.

divemulege - 3-5-2014 at 07:44 AM

Guys, go make a post on the General forum. This is a house for sale. Not a place to BS. They should call this Baja woman because everyone bickers like a bunch of women. No offense Mulegena. LOL
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Originally posted by rts551
When, not if, another event like John, Julio, or Jimena hits the area I wonder how well the dams will work? 100x10 meters is not much given the amount of water that flowed during those events....and could the dams make it worse? Hold water back until they break loose....

Hope the Engineering is there.

SFandH - 3-5-2014 at 07:55 AM

If they are building dam(s), I would guess that they know they'll have to open the flood gates with subsequent flooding during Jimena type events and the dams are being built to provide a constant water supply during normal weather conditions.

I wonder if the river through Mulege will dry up except during storms.

[Edited on 3-5-2014 by SFandH]

divemulege - 3-5-2014 at 10:34 AM

From what they told us they will have automatic gates that will open on different levels as water peaks to let water out. It is about controlling the water and also keeping the water for the mines. They are suppose to be diverting the flow of water to the valley where San Ynez is and that is where they are going to put the big damn. That way the trucks do not have to come into Mulege to get water daily.
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Originally posted by SFandH
If they are building dam(s), I would guess that they know they'll have to open the flood gates with subsequent flooding during Jimena type events and the dams are being built to provide a constant water supply during normal weather conditions.

I wonder if the river through Mulege will dry up except during storms.

[Edited on 3-5-2014 by SFandH]

SFandH - 3-5-2014 at 10:41 AM

So is there still going to be a river going through Mulege?

Jeez, I hope so.

divemulege - 3-5-2014 at 11:05 AM

Yes, but it will not handle the heavy rain water.

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Originally posted by SFandH
So is there still going to be a river going through Mulege?

Jeez, I hope so.

tripledigitken - 3-5-2014 at 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by divermulege......It is about controlling the water and also keeping the water for the mines. They are suppose to be diverting the flow of water to the valley where San Ynez is and that is where they are going to put the big damn. That way the trucks do not have to come into Mulege to get water daily.




Now that answers some questions I had. Appreciate the videos of the construction progress.

rts551 - 3-5-2014 at 11:37 AM

I think it was you that originated the comment about dams!
first post!
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Originally posted by divemulege
Guys, go make a post on the General forum. This is a house for sale. Not a place to BS. They should call this Baja woman because everyone bickers like a bunch of women. No offense Mulegena. LOL

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Originally posted by rts551
When, not if, another event like John, Julio, or Jimena hits the area I wonder how well the dams will work? 100x10 meters is not much given the amount of water that flowed during those events....and could the dams make it worse? Hold water back until they break loose....

Hope the Engineering is there.

mtgoat666 - 3-5-2014 at 11:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by divemulege
From what they told us they will have automatic gates that will open on different levels as water peaks to let water out. It is about controlling the water and also keeping the water for the mines. They are suppose to be diverting the flow of water to the valley where San Ynez is and that is where they are going to put the big damn. That way the trucks do not have to come into Mulege to get water daily.

Quote:
Originally posted by SFandH
If they are building dam(s), I would guess that they know they'll have to open the flood gates with subsequent flooding during Jimena type events and the dams are being built to provide a constant water supply during normal weather conditions.

I wonder if the river through Mulege will dry up except during storms.

[Edited on 3-5-2014 by SFandH]


a map of proposed dams and canal locations would be informative, eh?

David K - 3-5-2014 at 12:15 PM

DiveMulege, if you need help posting photos... let me know (u2u or ?).

As for the sidebars about the river, don't get too upset because they keep your original 'for sale' post bumped to the top of the forum! Your ad always will appear first and replies are all below it.

Yes, it is a classified ad, and if you don't want to discuss the dam construction, then start a new dam thread in the General Discussion forum and ask Doug (BajaNomad) to move the dam questions/ comments to the new thread there.

I do find the dam construction discussion interesting... I cannot find a Santa Ynez on the map, however? Also, you probably mean Northwest (mountains) and not Northeast (sea) of Mulege?

Anyway, best luck with the sale!

MulegeAL - 3-5-2014 at 01:22 PM

He means playa Santa Ines, north of M, about halfway up to Punta Chivato.

There is low land/valley from there back to the valley behind Mulege. Makes sense to divert major flood volumes that way, not much rise between the two areas. Is easy to see on pg 15 of BajaAlmanac.

Good luck on the house sale, sorry the pizza joint didn't work out. The location is great, maybe it would work better as a coffee shop? I'm no restaurant guy, I'm sure you discussed it already at length. I give you both points for trying, most won't even do that.

Can't get on base unless you swing at some balls. Keep swinging!

David K - 3-5-2014 at 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by MulegeAL
He means playa Santa Ines, north of M, about halfway up to Punta Chivato.

There is low land/valley from there back to the valley behind Mulege. Makes sense to divert major flood volumes that way, not much rise between the two areas. Is easy to see on pg 15 of BajaAlmanac.

Good luck on the house sale, sorry the pizza joint didn't work out. The location is great, maybe it would work better as a coffee shop? I'm no restaurant guy, I'm sure you discussed it already at length. I give you both points for trying, most won't even do that.

Can't get on base unless you swing at some balls. Keep swinging!


Ah, well that is better... thank you very much... I wouldn't think of looking for a dam or river work on the beach towards Punta Chivato and that watershed (Boca de Magdalena) doesn't go into Mulege at all... ???

RnR - 3-5-2014 at 07:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MulegeAL
He means playa Santa Ines, north of M, about halfway up to Punta Chivato.

There is low land/valley from there back to the valley behind Mulege. Makes sense to divert major flood volumes that way, not much rise between the two areas. Is easy to see on pg 15 of BajaAlmanac.


I wonder if the new bridges on Mex 1 in this low land/valley area were designed to handle the additional water to be diverted from the Mulege valley?

Think that there was a lot of coordination between the highway bridge engineers and the flood control engineers?????

divemulege - 3-5-2014 at 09:56 PM

If someone wants to start a topic about it in the general section I will post pics, talk with the guys building it and show the construction every couple of weeks. I hate posting stuff on here because then I have to listen to the non believers and I have better things to do than try to convince someone.

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
DiveMulege, if you need help posting photos... let me know (u2u or ?).

As for the sidebars about the river, don't get too upset because they keep your original 'for sale' post bumped to the top of the forum! Your ad always will appear first and replies are all below it.

Yes, it is a classified ad, and if you don't want to discuss the dam construction, then start a new dam thread in the General Discussion forum and ask Doug (BajaNomad) to move the dam questions/ comments to the new thread there.

I do find the dam construction discussion interesting... I cannot find a Santa Ynez on the map, however? Also, you probably mean Northwest (mountains) and not Northeast (sea) of Mulege?

Anyway, best luck with the sale!

motoged - 3-6-2014 at 01:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by divemulege
.... I hate posting stuff on here because then I have to listen to the non believers and I have better things to do than try to convince someone.


You seem to have a problem hearing opinions other than your own....and when you do, you insult those with a different opinion.

Should everyone "believe" what you do ?

Why not consider the notion that just because a person believes something doesn't mean it is true...it just means they think it is true.

People are not necessarily being negative simply because they might think differently than you.

Just a thought and an invitation to not make others wrong because they perceive things differently

It must be difficult trying to convince everyone with a different viewpoint that yours is THE correct one.
:light::light:

[Edited on 3-6-2014 by motoged]

vandenberg - 3-6-2014 at 09:05 AM

Motoged,

You just can't help being confrontational.:no::no:

divemulege - 3-6-2014 at 09:06 AM

MG,
You think we want to hear your opinion. I am trying to sell a house. Not looking for your opinion on my house nor do I want to hear from you. Don't you get it? Man, you must lead a boring life that you have to sit in front of your computer to give you some empowerment.

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
Quote:
Originally posted by divemulege
.... I hate posting stuff on here because then I have to listen to the non believers and I have better things to do than try to convince someone.


You seem to have a problem hearing opinions other than your own....and when you do, you insult those with a different opinion.

Should everyone "believe" what you do ?

Why not consider the notion that just because a person believes something doesn't mean it is true...it just means they think it is true.

People are not necessarily being negative simply because they might think differently than you.

Just a thought and an invitation to not make others wrong because they perceive things differently

It must be difficult trying to convince everyone with a different viewpoint that yours is THE correct one.
:light::light:

[Edited on 3-6-2014 by motoged]

David K - 3-6-2014 at 10:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by divemulege
If someone wants to start a topic about it in the general section I will post pics, talk with the guys building it and show the construction every couple of weeks. I hate posting stuff on here because then I have to listen to the non believers and I have better things to do than try to convince someone.

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
DiveMulege, if you need help posting photos... let me know (u2u or ?).

As for the sidebars about the river, don't get too upset because they keep your original 'for sale' post bumped to the top of the forum! Your ad always will appear first and replies are all below it.

Yes, it is a classified ad, and if you don't want to discuss the dam construction, then start a new dam thread in the General Discussion forum and ask Doug (BajaNomad) to move the dam questions/ comments to the new thread there.

I do find the dam construction discussion interesting... I cannot find a Santa Ynez on the map, however? Also, you probably mean Northwest (mountains) and not Northeast (sea) of Mulege?

Anyway, best luck with the sale!


You have the photos and details, so would you please start the new thread on the General Baja forum? Thank you!

PS. It may be helpful to add photos of your home for sale here... ?

motoged - 3-6-2014 at 10:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Motoged,

You just can't help being confrontational.:no::no:


V,
Yes I can....and when someone insults me, I don't have to stand by and not reply.

This whole issue seems to have arisen from a comment I made about the ongoing risk of the river flooding in Mulege.

I do not always stoop down to pick up a thrown gauntlet...but I do at times.

I try to contribute to BN forums with a variety of posts....this one is one of the sour ones.

I will drop this issue and leave this thread alone....

rts551 - 3-6-2014 at 10:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Motoged,

You just can't help being confrontational.:no::no:


V,
Yes I can....and when someone insults me, I don't have to stand by and not reply.

This whole issue seems to have arisen from a comment I made about the ongoing risk of the river flooding in Mulege.

I do not always stoop down to pick up a thrown gauntlet...but I do at times.

I try to contribute to BN forums with a variety of posts....this one is one of the sour ones.

I will drop this issue and leave this thread alone....


I think that your opinion and questions about flooding is appropriate when someone is trying to sell property....but Ged, full disclosure in Mexico is not a requirement.

divemulege - 3-6-2014 at 10:10 PM

Every person that has inquired is told about flooding during the conversation. There is no way of hiding the fact when there still is a lot of houses that are damaged on the river. With the ability to insure through GNP for $301 a year for $110k of coverage, you cannot lose. I just cleaned out my new house for $7500 pesos. I have another $8000 pesos of damage to pay and it is completely fixed. If I had insurance I would of actually made a lot more than that. To live in a nice area you have risks. California has quakes, midwest has tornadoes and the gulf and east coast have major hurricanes. To be inconvenienced for a couple of weeks to live near the ocean for $42k is a no brainer! What would you pay in the states for a house like this. MG is just a bitter person and if you look at a lot of his post you will see his negativity. Grow some balls and come tell me in person MG!
Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Motoged,

You just can't help being confrontational.:no::no:


V,
Yes I can....and when someone insults me, I don't have to stand by and not reply.

This whole issue seems to have arisen from a comment I made about the ongoing risk of the river flooding in Mulege.

I do not always stoop down to pick up a thrown gauntlet...but I do at times.

I try to contribute to BN forums with a variety of posts....this one is one of the sour ones.

I will drop this issue and leave this thread alone....


I think that your opinion and questions about flooding is appropriate when someone is trying to sell property....but Ged, full disclosure in Mexico is not a requirement.

Bajahowodd - 3-7-2014 at 05:56 PM

I am personally hoping that the construction on this river project is more professional than the bridge projects between Insurgentes and Constitucion.

divemulege - 3-7-2014 at 09:24 PM

The new bridge in Mulege under the bridge came out nice. Ok, maybe that is a small project. LOL
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I am personally hoping that the construction on this river project is more professional than the bridge projects between Insurgentes and Constitucion.

RnR - 3-8-2014 at 07:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I am personally hoping that the construction on this river project is more professional than the bridge projects between Insurgentes and Constitucion.


What's the issues with the bridges?

As I recall, there is only one or two bridges and they have been there a few years.

Or, have they started something new since my last trip through in October?


[Edited on 3-8-2014 by RnR]

chuckie - 3-8-2014 at 07:52 AM

There likely is no issue, just folks offering non knowledgeable opinions, pointing out issues that have nothing to do with the thread.....Why would wodd give a rodents burro about the Mulege bridges?

divemulege - 3-8-2014 at 02:27 PM

Praise the lord! LOL
Quote:
Originally posted by chuckie
There likely is no issue, just folks offering non knowledgeable opinions, pointing out issues that have nothing to do with the thread.....Why would wodd give a rodents burro about the Mulege bridges?

Bajahowodd - 3-10-2014 at 04:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RnR
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I am personally hoping that the construction on this river project is more professional than the bridge projects between Insurgentes and Constitucion.


What's the issues with the bridges?

As I recall, there is only one or two bridges and they have been there a few years.

Or, have they started something new since my last trip through in October?

I don't know for how long you have made the trip between Insurgents and Constitucion, but the original project had bridges on both sides of the highway. Some have been washed out.

Reminds me of the bridge fiasco down by Cabo at El Tule. Maybe the government has learned some lessons, but there is a very long history of recently constructed bridged not built to withstand the stress.





[Edited on 3-8-2014 by RnR]

chuckie - 3-10-2014 at 05:29 PM

So What? Several bridges in New York and New Jersey have failed as well....That has as much to do with Mulege as El Tule....

vandenberg - 3-10-2014 at 07:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I am personally hoping that the construction on this river project is more professional than the bridge projects between Insurgentes and Constitucion.

Living in Loreto and traveling to Constitucion monthly, I don't believe they ever intended bridges for both sides of the highway. Expensive and not necessary. For the few times a year the area floods, the diversion of the traffic to the north going side is simple by making it one lane in each direction. like most of Baja.
Saved lots of funds and serves the area beautifully.

J.P. - 3-10-2014 at 07:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by divemulege
The new bridge in Mulege under the bridge came out nice. Ok, maybe that is a small project. LOL

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I am personally hoping that the construction on this river project is more professional than the bridge projects between Insurgentes and Constitucion.










There is nothing wrong with the newer bridge design. The design allows for the approaches to wash out thus preventing damage to the main span. the approaches are easy to replace.
No design would hold the pressure from the flood water.

willyAirstream - 3-10-2014 at 08:15 PM

The bridge under the bridge is a unique design. The main span, the lid, is held by gravity and meant to self destruct when a flood occurs and not damage the massive pilings at each end. The pilings are over 2o ft deep, 3-4ft. in dia and made with 1 inch rebar.
off topic, but keeping the house ad at the top :)

Paula - 3-10-2014 at 10:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by divemulege
Every person that has inquired is told about flooding during the conversation. There is no way of hiding the fact when there still is a lot of houses that are damaged on the river. With the ability to insure through GNP for $301 a year for $110k of coverage, you cannot lose. I just cleaned out my new house for $7500 pesos. I have another $8000 pesos of damage to pay and it is completely fixed. If I had insurance I would of actually made a lot more than that. To live in a nice area you have risks. California has quakes, midwest has tornadoes and the gulf and east coast have major hurricanes. To be inconvenienced for a couple of weeks to live near the ocean for $42k is a no brainer! What would you pay in the states for a house like this. MG is just a bitter person and if you look at a lot of his post you will see his negativity. Grow some balls and come tell me in person MG!

Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Motoged,

You just can't help being confrontational.:no::no:


V,
Yes I can....and when someone insults me, I don't have to stand by and not reply.

This whole issue seems to have arisen from a comment I made about the ongoing risk of the river flooding in Mulege.

I do not always stoop down to pick up a thrown gauntlet...but I do at times.

I try to contribute to BN forums with a variety of posts....this one is one of the sour ones.

I will drop this issue and leave this thread alone....


I think that your opinion and questions about flooding is appropriate when someone is trying to sell property....but Ged, full disclosure in Mexico is not a requirement.



The initial post on this thread says that the flooding issue has been solved for the foreseeable future. That is a big stretch, as no one can predict whether the "solution" is viable, or what Mother Nature might serve up. But I especially take issue with the insurance part of divemulege's post above. Are you saying that it is okay to build in a floodplain because you can't lose, as the insurance might actually give you a windfall if you are wiped out? How irresponsible can you be? Have you not considered the environmental impact of your personal debris being washed into the sea? Do you have no moral compass?


To raise the issue of flood potential on this property is entirely appropriate, especially since the seller is misrepresenting the potential. This is a discussion forum, and if you advertise property it is valid for readers to post what they feel about the property being advertised, both positive and negative. I'm pretty sure that DM would not have objected if Motoged had said "beautiful home-- jump on this deal while you can!"

Motoged has been posting here for several years, and his posts are thoughtful, well stated, good natured, and generally spot on.

Divemulege just signed on last October, and most of his posts are self-promoting, and when he is questioned or called out he becomes defensive and mean-spirited. Personally I think you could change your identity to Takeadivemulege-- it would more clearly identify who you are.

mul rio

captkw - 3-10-2014 at 10:35 PM

I don't Know a nothing about buy/renting in Baja!!!!!!...What I do Know since 1977 I have seen SOO many fine houses/trailers/places go down stream there....,.And I do Carry some weight in BCS ,,,so that said,,,any one that would like to buy in that area should really check/research/spend a winter or twobefore buying there.....SOO sorry Div M/...this is my home for overt 30 yrs and some of us take care of BIZ....The RIO has been a issue for ever.....funny,,,,,a FEW YEARS,,GRINGOS WERE SCARDED OF THE PRISION.....jUNGLE Jims I hope is not your second home ???>

Udo - 3-11-2014 at 07:58 AM

My two centavos:

Last summer I tried to buy insurance for my house in BA. One insurance company declined coverage in BA and the other gave me a quote for over $2,400 US per year, all because BA was considered to be in the Mulege flood zone, even though we were less than 100 KM south of Guerrero Negro.
After some arguing, I was told that all of Baja Sur was either in the "Mulege flood zone," or in the "hydro meteorological phenomena" zone.

So currently my house sits uninsured.

absinvestor - 3-11-2014 at 09:49 AM

Udo- interesting on the cost. Prior to deciding that we wanted to live on the beach vs the river we looked at both opportunities. I was surprised that the owners living on the river were getting insured- one I looked at had actually been destroyed twice and replaced by insurance both times and yet was able to get the home insured for the 3rd time. I don't recall what he was paying for insurance. In my opinion, living on the river without insurance is a real gamble- living without insurance where you are is not nearly as risky.

motoged - 3-11-2014 at 10:16 AM

I have been visiting Mulege since 1989 and have always thought that the houses along the river were where I would want to live if I found myself choosing Mulege. Mulege has its own unique charm that many of us resonate with.

Having said that, I have come to realize that the river is unforgiving when the tropical storms dump an insane amount of rain in a short period of time west of the town.

Insurance can take many forms....and perhaps the promise of dams, stream diversion, and better water management upstream can be seen as a form of insurance.....but like the other forms.....is a gamble as has been said.

I fully appreciate the lure of a river house. Not only is the location exotic, some of the houses are beauties. However, as many have acknowledged by moving away from the river (Nomads have done so), they worry less about the risk of loss of property and , in some cases, their life (as the river took a resident's life several years ago).

Life is a gamble full of risks....we play the game and "takes our chances". Managing risks is also part of the game.

I hope the dam(n) thing works out. :saint:

Udo, find out what company is insuring the river houses :light:, See what they say about your area again....and what do other Asuncionites do? It will be astounding if they consider most of southern Baja uninsurable due to "meteorlogical" influences.

That would rock a few boats :O

MulegeAL - 3-11-2014 at 10:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Udo
So currently my house sits uninsured.


Udo,
Have you tried Lewis and Lewis? If not, search for that. $2.4K is way out of line.

Any takillya left from the TJ tequila event last fall?

Bajahowodd - 3-11-2014 at 04:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by motoged
I have been visiting Mulege since 1989 and have always thought that the houses along the river were where I would want to live if I found myself choosing Mulege. Mulege has its own unique charm that many of us resonate with.

Having said that, I have come to realize that the river is unforgiving when the tropical storms dump an insane amount of rain in a short period of time west of the town.

Insurance can take many forms....and perhaps the promise of dams, stream diversion, and better water management upstream can be seen as a form of insurance.....but like the other forms.....is a gamble as has been said.

I fully appreciate the lure of a river house. Not only is the location exotic, some of the houses are beauties. However, as many have acknowledged by moving away from the river (Nomads have done so), they worry less about the risk of loss of property and , in some cases, their life (as the river took a resident's life several years ago).

Life is a gamble full of risks....we play the game and "takes our chances". Managing risks is also part of the game.

I hope the dam(n) thing works out. :saint:

Udo, find out what company is insuring the river houses :light:, See what they say about your area again....and what do other Asuncionites do? It will be astounding if they consider most of southern Baja uninsurable due to "meteorlogical" influences.

That would rock a few boats :O


This.

And as far as MulegeAl, Lewis & Lewis is a NOB broker. Seems to me that if anyone is serious, they out to contact a broker SOB.

cliffh - 3-11-2014 at 05:07 PM

Udo we use Mario Ortez in La Paz for our house in Buena Vista( approx 12 years) might be worth a call, 01-612-123-4242 Cliffh

Udo - 3-11-2014 at 05:17 PM

I'll give it another shot, motoged. But what I found out is that no one in BA has house insurance! (AT t least from the people I spoke with).
My house is built with block, so no hurricane is going to touch it, but break-ins are not out of the question, regardless how safe a neighborhood is.
Quote:
Originally posted by motoged

Udo, find out what company is insuring the river houses :light:, See what they say about your area again....and what do other Asuncionites do? It will be astounding if they consider most of southern Baja uninsurable due to "meteorlogical" influences.

That would rock a few boats :O

Udo - 3-11-2014 at 05:19 PM

Thanks for the lead, Cliff.
I'll give them a call in the morning!
Quote:
Originally posted by cliffh
Udo we use Mario Ortez in La Paz for our house in Buena Vista( approx 12 years) might be worth a call, 01-612-123-4242 Cliffh