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WHAT'S WITH THE MEXICAN KEY LIMES PRICES IN BAJA!

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Udo - 3-13-2014 at 05:15 PM

I just saw a Facebook post for key limes in Mexico costing 80 pesos a kilo.
Normally they are 10-15nm per kilo!

willardguy - 3-13-2014 at 05:22 PM

another take on it (maybe the same?)

Lime prices have jumped from under 10 pesos ($0.75) per kilo (2.2 pounds) last month to nearly 30 pesos per kilo in Mexico (link in Spanish), rising by as much as 200% in some parts of the country (link in Spanish). As recently as 2012, the going price was closer to 8 pesos per kilo (link in Spanish).
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Climate change and cartel warfare are mainly to blame for the lime price hike.
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The polar weather gripping North America has crept into much of Mexico and been deleterious to the country’s lime growers. At least three of the country’s biggest lime-producing states, Colima, Guerrero and Oaxaca, have already suffered from shrinking harvests (link in Spanish) related to the poor weather. “If prices rise, my information suggests it has to do with the climate,” Mexico’s economics secretary Ildefonso Guajardo said last week. And the high prices could continue through the winter.
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Meanwhile, escalating violence in Michoacán, one of the country’s most important citrus-growing regions, has made harvesting and transporting limes harder. In some cases, gangs have demanded makeshift taxes from growers and distributors in the region, which drives up production costs that are passed on to consumers. In others, distributors have refused to transport limes to and from the area.
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Lime prices in Mexico City suffered a similar fate last year, jumping from 8 pesos per kilo to 40 pesos per kilo at one point. Lime prices also suffered dearly when cargo theft jumped 50% from 2009 to 2010, which jacked up insurance prices for trucking companies transporting, among other things, limes. Some markets in Mexico City were forced to sell limes for over 58 pesos per kilo, or more than quadruple the ordinary rate.

bajajudy - 3-13-2014 at 05:25 PM

I go out and shake my tree:P

Limes

bajaguy - 3-13-2014 at 05:26 PM

From ensenada.net

Article posted March 4, 2014
by Elizabeth Vargas

A decline in Mexican production , or sour lemon, in the State of Colima, where most citrus is harvested, and has been affected by a plague , together with phenomena such as grabbing the big chains, has remained several weeks price in almost 50 pesos per kilo .

In the case of Ensenada, the phenomenon is already resented housewives, restaurateurs and especially clams and seafood carts , where lemons are one of the main ingredients in this preparation.

According to data from the District 001 Sagarpa this increase in the price hits Baja California, because we are not a major producer of citrus to have been only 59 acres of lemon trees statewide .

The main producer of Ensenada with 37 acres and the remaining municipalities of 4-7 acres of lemons.

Added to this is that neither is production season so for now the option is to purchase the lemon price 50 pesos per kilo or find other varieties like lemon yellow is trading at 20 pesos the kilo .

Lemon production in the State of Baja California

37 Ensenada

06 Saint Quentin

05 Tecate

07 Rosarito

04 Tijuana

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Article posted March 9, 2014
by Elizabeth Vargas

Although the plague Baja California Golden Dragon or Huang long bing (HLB ) attacking citrus plants if the problem is not out of control , said the Managing Agricultural Development in Ensenada Abel Bojorquez .

This pest is the same that has ravaged other producing entities and a substantial increase in the price of lemon, which are most impacted by this pest trees.

Although California is not a citrus producing state , if you have some crops lemon , orange and tangerine mainly so it works in coordination with Sagarpa , Sefo and the Local Board of Plant Protection , with whom they have a sampling program across producers ranches to San Quentin.

In the samples found in table strategically placed traps and this has thrown that is controlled , there is no serious problem or infected orchards .

However, after the problem that exists in other states to the Midwest , the March 10 meeting with the Local Board will be held to review the specific topic and discuss whether strategies should be modified .

Baja California has suffered serious problems from pests such as olive fly that took the olive orchards in early 2000 or Whitefly in Mexicali that damaged the cotton crop , and other pests that have affected the vine or tomato.

Sample is to know how serious is the problem and establish control rates .


[Edited on 3-14-2014 by bajaguy]

motoged - 3-13-2014 at 05:29 PM

The price of a regular lime (larger than Key Lime) in BC is about 65-75 cents :O:O:O

I promised myself this year that I would not get upset about this tragic issue....as there is nothing I can do about it until I move to Mexico :light:

And even there it is a sign of the end of the world as we know it.

mulegemichael - 3-13-2014 at 05:45 PM

we shake our tree also....in mulege you can drive around until you find a tree that is dropping fruit all around it...stop, harvest, squeeze, drink.....too easy!

Pompano - 3-13-2014 at 05:53 PM

Limes are expensive all over the place and seem to be going higher. Last summer in Italy one nice lime was about 3.5 euros...or about $5 US. You made it last for tea and/or c-cktails.

p.s. Limes are 3/$1 at Safeway on the Oregon Coast.

[Edited on 3-14-2014 by Pompano]

Udo - 3-13-2014 at 06:55 PM

In Buena Vista, I know DTbushpilot has a very large lime tree in the parking lot of his condo (but you need an entry code to open the garage gate.)

desertcpl - 3-13-2014 at 07:09 PM

okay the entry code is

5698

DENNIS - 3-13-2014 at 07:10 PM

Today, coincidently, my worker mentioned the local key lime, they call them lemons, cost around 45 pesos per kilo.

Hook - 3-13-2014 at 10:10 PM

What complete mierda. There is no way that the cold snaps in the US have reached the states of Guerrero, Colima or Michoacan.

I just did a brief look and the temperature in Colima hasnt dropped below 60F all winter.........AT NIGHT!!!

The backyard citrus harvest in San Carlos has been in full swing for some time. We are hundreds of miles further north than those other states and we havent had a night below 50 degrees since early December. It's been the warmest winter, coupled with the lightest winds, than any local can remember.

I suspect price fixing. Even if the cost of insurance doubled for truckers, it would amount to so little when defrayed over all the limes (and other produce) carried. Where's the quadrupling of other produce if it is insurance related? So much produce comes from Sinaloa, which is a cartel hotbed. Where's the cartel related increases on the flavorless tomatoes we are forced to buy?

I guess it's possible that the cold has affected harvests in Florida and Texas. But I cant imagine it justifies a quadrupling of prices. Limes are grown in Central and So. America, too.

Another NAFTA shafta???

Alm - 3-13-2014 at 11:35 PM

So much excitement... Who and why would need a kilo of lemons in his fridge, I wonder...

flyguy - 3-13-2014 at 11:49 PM

Up here in Canada, limes are $1 each and double or triple that if you want organic... i did find bags of key limes at Walmart from Vietnam that had juice in 1 of every 10 or so lol :O

David K - 3-14-2014 at 12:16 AM

Juicy green limes in our markets (SoCal, USA) are 33 cents each.

Cypress - 3-14-2014 at 04:05 AM

Not sure what they cost here in MS, can get 'em at Wal Mart in small bags. Maybe a lb.? Key limes are the only limes with seeds. Have some seeds in potting soil, expect 'em to sprout in a week or so. They're supposed to produce limes in about three years.:D

Hook - 3-14-2014 at 06:10 AM

We're swimming in backyard limes right now.

Hey, maybe I should smuggle limes NORTH next week!!! :lol:

Santiago - 3-14-2014 at 06:22 AM

slightly OT - but I once was in a market and had a lime in one hand and a lemon n the other. I walked up to the produce worker and raised the lime and asked "que es?". He said "lemon"; I raise the lemon and he says "lemon". Huh?
There must be two different words?

Pompano - 3-14-2014 at 06:25 AM

Hook, here's what you can get for them in the States.


Safeway lime prices...from Mexico = .50 each



Trader Joe's 'Organic' 6 per bag @ $2 = .33 each

stanburn - 3-14-2014 at 07:16 AM

Here in The state of Colima there is no cold snap. The problem is a plague called the Yellow Dragon that has cut production. here they re beginning to call limes green gold due to the high prices.

Don't know where these so called "reporters" do their research....cold snap, please. I must admit that yesterday as pretty darn cold for los colimenses....it was 58 and we were all bundled up.

Stan

Hook - 3-14-2014 at 07:20 AM

Damn, Trader Joe's cutting into my profit margin!!! :fire:

I could fill my truck box to the brim with limes and sell them at some Scottsdale farmer's market and make a boatload!! Pay for all my Scottsdale excesses next week!!!

Hey, the Lexus Wives of Scottsdale probably dont shop at TJs, anyway. They're probably paying 1.50 per lime at Whole Paycheck. They'd gladly pay a dollar a lime!

I'll be rich! The Lime Baron!! The Lime King!!! Me, and Carlos Slim and the Russian oil tycoons!!!!

"The Man Who Cornered the Scottsdale Lime Market" back in '013 is what they'll write! I'll get a seven figure picture deal from Hollywood!! The Biography Channel will come calling!!!

THIS is why I come to the Nomads board!!! Not for the dog stories and the husband banter, like I thought!!! THIS IS MY CALLING!!!!!

Udo - 3-14-2014 at 07:31 AM

You don't need to smuggle them, Hook.

They are legal to bring NOB, just declare them (or not).
Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
We're swimming in backyard limes right now.

Hey, maybe I should smuggle limes NORTH next week!!! :lol:

Pescador - 3-14-2014 at 07:44 AM

Actually I started the whole thing because I stopped drinking margaritas and the market crashed as a result. I was trying to figure out why I was having such a problem with dry mouth while sleeping and I just assumed it was the salt around the rim. But I looked further, because it was causing a major problem with voice and since I was singing every week (and enjoying the margaritas provided by the host restaurant) I started looking into different herbal teas and the like to help with the condition. Come to find out, it was being caused by the heavy consumption of citric acid and had nothing to do with the salt at all. As soon as I quit the margies, the problem went away. I even did a little scientific study during the week and sure enough after a couple of margies, the problem came right back.
I wasn't sure I could make the sacrifice totally for musical reasons, but now that the prices have gone up so high, I can feel a little like I am boycotting unfair market practices.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

chavycha - 3-14-2014 at 10:45 AM

And somehow toronjas are 2.90p / kilo in BCS.

Poor red-headed stepchild fruit.

Heather - 3-14-2014 at 11:07 AM

In San Diego the price is high too. The bag of key limes that I usually buy at Sprouts for $1.99 was $4.99 last week. I didn't buy....

mcfez - 3-14-2014 at 11:15 AM

Expect higher prices to come. All citrus was vastly affected included our Blood Orange grove here in Sacramento. Also...count on all produce from California to be up by .50 per pound by Summer.

DavidE - 3-14-2014 at 11:44 AM

Bragging Speculator

How much to fix my car to get back to the border?

($30,000)

That's absurd I'll hire a tow truck

(that's $100,000)

Aren't Darwin Ethics just great?

apple - 3-14-2014 at 11:49 AM

Maybe it is just the season? Our tree slowed its production way down a little over a month ago

willardguy - 3-14-2014 at 11:58 AM

from the president of the lime blah blah blah


Mexico: Lime prices increase 300% in less than a month

The drop in production due to the weather and the difficulties being experienced by carriers in the state of Michoacan have caused the price of lime to increase by up to 300 percent in less than a month. A kilo currently costs 30 pesos.

In an interview, Sergio Ramírez Castañeda, president of the Mexican Lime Product System, warned that product prices could continue to increase in coming days because three of this season's major producing states (Colima, Guerrero and Oaxaca) has had delays and lost a portion of their harvest as a result of the weather.

He noted that Michoacan currently provides about 2,500 tonnes of lime per day, but that prices had increased considerably because of the scarce supply.

"We expect prices to be high for the rest of winter because Michoacán is the only state that hasn't been affected by the weather since it's not on the coastline," he said.

Rogelio Hernandez, a carrier of food in Michoacan, stated that carriers had been forced to take different routes for transporting their cargo because of the violence in the state and the narco-roadblocks. This, in turn, increases the time and costs of moving the product, as well as the likelihood of the products not arriving in the best conditions.

He also said that, despite the low temperatures, several truckloads of products had been lost in the last month making traders lose their income because they didn't reach their destinations.

Hook - 3-14-2014 at 01:56 PM

For the rest of the winter? You mean, like, another six days, Mr. Castañeda?

DavidE - 3-14-2014 at 02:25 PM

Is this guy a freakin' idiot or Wall Street Marionette?

I have ELEVEN arborles de limon in my huerta. All mature. In Michoacan. On the coast within 1/4 miles of crashing Pacific ocean breakers. All are laden with limes BUT THERE ARE NO BUYERS

ON PURPOSE.

My son in law is as I write filling costales with fruit and is going to haul them to Patzcuaro for Sunday market. Eduardo has a stake truck so a few tons of limones should go over well. They will be tarped.

Hook - 3-14-2014 at 02:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chavycha
And somehow toronjas are 2.90p / kilo in BCS.

Poor red-headed stepchild fruit.


Time to drink chihuahuas!!!!

MitchMan - 3-14-2014 at 03:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Alm
So much excitement... Who and why would need a kilo of lemons in his fridge, I wonder...


I do. I make my own margaritas from scratch, can't make good ceviche and salsa without them, Cubra Libre and other rum drinks, lime wheels are great garnish for other mixed drinks. Don't use lemons, use limes...has sharper flavor and more aroma. Don't use lemon, use lime in your tea...5 drops exactly in a hot cup of Earl Grey.

Bought a small lime tree for the yard in Baja, was only about 18 inches high, now its 6 ft high, but no fruit yet in La Paz. I think that I am going to plant a couple more.

Going to La Paz next week. If lime prices are crazy high, I am going to drink more Pacifico and buy toronjas for Salty Dogs. The show must go on.


[Edited on 3-14-2014 by MitchMan]

Russ - 3-14-2014 at 03:23 PM

Asked the kids that come around how much? $50/ kilo. Time to rob a neighbors tree:light:

vandenberg - 3-14-2014 at 06:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MitchMan
Bought a small lime tree for the yard in Baja, was only about 18 inches high, now its 6 ft high, but no fruit yet in La Paz. I think that I am going to plant a couple more.
[Edited on 3-14-2014 by MitchMan]


Mitch, I have one mature lime tree here in Nopolo, and it produces more limes than you can possibly use.
Literally hundreds every month in the summer. Already starting to produce this season.

BajaLuna - 3-14-2014 at 06:43 PM

MitchMan: how long ago did you plant your lime tree? Just curious how long it took to get that size!

Never tried lime in tea, going to have to give that a try! 5 drops!!

Mexican Restaurants Now Charging Customers for Limes in Wake of Massive Price Hikes in Orange County

Gypsy Jan - 3-18-2014 at 12:41 PM

From The OC Weekly: http://blogs.ocweekly.com/stickaforkinit/2014/03/lime_prices...

By Gustavo Arellano

"So there I was at a local taquería, ready to chow down on four tacos al pastor, when I noticed something was missing: a lime wedge.

As I wrote last week, the wholesale price of a 40-pound case of limes from Mexico--where the vast majority of limes bought in the U.S. are grown--is reaching unprecedented levels due to chaos south of the border caused by the drug wars (although the Mexican government is putting the blame on a plague). When I wrote the post, a case cost $90; on Saturday, a local restauranteur tweeted a photo of a case costing $105.

I warned in my post that customers would be feeling the pinch soon, as limes help Mexican food reach its heights from the taco to guacamole to ceviches and more.

Back to the missing lime wedge. I asked the taquero what was going on, and he said he'd give me one--but he'd have to charge me extra.

The price wasn't TOO exorbitant--a dime--but it got me to do an informal survey of tacos in SanTana. Of the 5 places I visited, none had yet begun to charge--but they were only giving out lime wedges upon request.

"The price for limes is just too much right now," said one restauranteur, who requested anonymity. "I feel bad not giving something we've always given out for free--but all those limones start affecting your bottom line after a while."

Customers so far have been understanding, since the price of limes is also affecting Mexican households. Prices aren't expected to drop for a while, unfortunately. "We're all chingados together," another taquero said with a bitter laugh.

Moral of the story? Start growing limes in your backyard--and erect barbed wire around it lest hordes of Mexicans start invading your house next year, desperate for a squeeze of that sweet, sweet lime..."

Udo - 3-18-2014 at 01:05 PM

Here are two possible answers:

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=72712&pag...

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=72793

No Hay Limas (Limon)

bajaguy - 3-18-2014 at 01:13 PM

Commercial Mexicana in Ensenada......not one to be seen. Oranges at Smart & Final 11 pesos per kilo

Kgryfon - 3-18-2014 at 03:20 PM

OK.OK.OK.

DavidE - 3-18-2014 at 03:20 PM

When do they fit people with breathing masks with quarter slot timers?

dasubergeek - 3-18-2014 at 03:28 PM

They keep climbing... 50$ a kilo at the Central de Abastos in Oaxaca on Tuesday, 70$ a kilo on Saturday.

woody with a view - 3-18-2014 at 03:51 PM

i just made the best ceviche with WSB using lemon since i have a tree. when i topped it off with clamato the next day you'd never know the difference......

dasubergeek - 3-18-2014 at 03:52 PM

The price of limes in Oaxaca was 50$ a kilo on Tuesday and 70$ a kilo on Saturday—and they were poor-quality limes, hardly any juice at all. There's a plague affecting lime trees in Michoacán and Colima (but not all of them, obviously) that causes the fruit to turn hard and yellow. They call it the dragón amarillo.

El Imparcial (which is PRD-leaning) had a huge front-page article about how the middlemen are the biggest issue, that Oaxaca has enough production for its own needs but that the middlemen are price-fixing to take advantage of the lime crisis and make more money, while screwing over the lime producers, etc. The report said that the lime producers are getting 10-12$ a kilo, but by the time it goes through two middlemen and the Central de Abastos (wholesale produce market on the outskirts of Oaxaca), the limes you buy in front of Benito Juárez market are 50$, 60$, or even 70$ a kilo.

There was also a heist outside of Coatzacoalcos, Veracruz last week; armed bandits surprised a lime truck on the road, tied up the driver, and made off with 3.25 mdp ($250,000) worth of limes.

Nobody is giving limes... you used to get a bowl of limes with everything, now it's impossible to get even one in a restaurant.

Precio de Limones Please Pass The Crow...

DavidE - 3-18-2014 at 04:18 PM

At first I was convinced speculators were to blame for the ballooning of limones prices.

Today I find out from family that the limones shortage is a protest from los limoneros. They are tired of the intimidation, corruption, extortion and protection rackets from the cartels and the do-absolutely-nothing attitude of local, state and federal police. So they quit. Why tend orchards then give all the money to scumbags?

So when suffering through limon withdrawals maybe this will help to understand. No my limones did not make it to market.

I would not be surprised at all if this spread to aguacates de Uruapan when the temporada arrives. Then pineapples from Playa Azul.

But I must retract my comments about speculators causing the shortage.

Wish it was NAFTA

baconjr - 3-18-2014 at 05:34 PM

Florida has had HLB for almost 10 years and they have lost over 400,000 acres of citrus because of this disease. It is serious as a heart attack. Could lay waste to citrus in the state of California. Our positive find in the LA Area was some Evangelical Chinese pastor went home to China and smuggled a pomelo cutting back into the US and grafted it on his tree. The graft was successful and he gave his congregation cuttings. The problem is that it can take 3-5 years to show up once the tree is infected. There is no cure except for total distruction of the tree and surronding trees. Some trees are more resistant than others but the outcome is the same.If I remember correctly lemons and limes are more resistant than other citrus.
Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
What complete mierda. There is no way that the cold snaps in the US have reached the states of Guerrero, Colima or Michoacan.

I just did a brief look and the temperature in Colima hasnt dropped below 60F all winter.........AT NIGHT!!!

The backyard citrus harvest in San Carlos has been in full swing for some time. We are hundreds of miles further north than those other states and we havent had a night below 50 degrees since early December. It's been the warmest winter, coupled with the lightest winds, than any local can remember.

I suspect price fixing. Even if the cost of insurance doubled for truckers, it would amount to so little when defrayed over all the limes (and other produce) carried. Where's the quadrupling of other produce if it is insurance related? So much produce comes from Sinaloa, which is a cartel hotbed. Where's the cartel related increases on the flavorless tomatoes we are forced to buy?

I guess it's possible that the cold has affected harvests in Florida and Texas. But I cant imagine it justifies a quadrupling of prices. Limes are grown in Central and So. America, too.

Another NAFTA shafta???

Ateo - 3-18-2014 at 05:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Udo
You don't need to smuggle them, Hook.

They are legal to bring NOB, just declare them (or not).


Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
We're swimming in backyard limes right now.

Hey, maybe I should smuggle limes NORTH next week!!! :LOL:


Man, I wish I knew/remembered this. I've thrown a ton of limes away. I'm too scared after bringing dog food back during the swine flu outbreak. Now, I give almost everything away before crossing. Can't risk it with Sentri. No meat, no fruit, nothing not packaged is my rule.

DENNIS - 3-18-2014 at 05:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Udo
You don't need to smuggle them, Hook.

They are legal to bring NOB, just declare them (or not).



https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/82/related/1

willardguy - 3-18-2014 at 06:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Udo
You don't need to smuggle them, Hook.

They are legal to bring NOB, just declare them (or not).



https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/82/related/1
can you use the argument, but but, this guy on bajanomads said.........:lol:

DENNIS - 3-18-2014 at 06:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by willardguy
can you use the argument, but but, this guy on bajanomads said.........:lol:



Only if you drop David K's name. :lol:

Just when you thought it couldnt get worst.....

mcfez - 3-18-2014 at 11:32 PM

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/stickaforkinit/2014/03/lime_prices...

dasubergeek - 3-19-2014 at 09:27 AM

They were $3 a pound, $5 for a sack at the Northgate supermarket in Santa Ana last night. Unbelievable.

Lee - 3-19-2014 at 12:49 PM

58 pesos per kilo at Lazarraga, Todos Santos, today.

DENNIS - 3-19-2014 at 01:31 PM

Why limes in Mexico have suddenly tripled in price


By Roberto A. Ferdman @robferdman January 23, 2014

http://qz.com/169555/why-limes-in-mexico-suddenly-cost-four-...

http://www.freshplaza.com/article/117114/Mexico-Lime-prices-...




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[Edited on 3-19-2014 by DENNIS]

CP - 3-26-2014 at 11:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Santiago
slightly OT - but I once was in a market and had a lime in one hand and a lemon n the other. I walked up to the produce worker and raised the lime and asked "que es?". He said "lemon"; I raise the lemon and he says "lemon". Huh?
There must be two different words?


I remembered this question when I was in Super Ley Cd. C. yesterday. First time I have seen 'American' limones there.


[Edited on 3-26-2014 by CP]

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woody with a view - 3-26-2014 at 11:42 AM

here's an idea. let the growers hold back production and quit buying them. if there is no market for limes they'll get the hint real quick.

Sweetwater - 3-26-2014 at 12:08 PM

Whilst roaming through Baja the past several weeks, I depended on the local mercados to support my inquisitive nature about tequilas that I never see north of the border. I would buy something like a bottle of Juan Roberto reposada with 2 limons and present the purchase to the cashier. Without fail, the limon's were gratis with a smile and a Muchos Gracias from me.......

I had no idea there's a SHORtAGe....?

DavidE - 3-26-2014 at 12:34 PM

People who sent cash subsidies to los carteleros were successful. The LCT branched out beautifully. Limoneros have to pay 20% of their crop in money lost to coyotes the only people who will purchase and transport limones, mangoes and platinos in my home area. How would you like to own and maintain a huerta de mangos and be offered 26 pesos for 16 kg of fruit and the fruit cannot have manchas de fungicida on them. Transport the fruit yourself to a mercado de abastos anywhere and the vendors will not buy it - from anyone but a recognized coyote.

Jaybo - 3-26-2014 at 01:21 PM

Just saw this at the bottom of Dennis' link above:

http://www.freshplaza.com/article/119187/Mexico-Middlemen-ra...

bajacalifornian - 3-26-2014 at 01:41 PM

The cartels have found this brilliant commodity to control.

Yup. Mexico uses a lot of them.

Udo - 3-26-2014 at 03:02 PM

They are already doing that because the cartels will only give then a small percentage of what the market will bear. The growers refused to sell them at that low a price.
Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
here's an idea. let the growers hold back production and quit buying them. if there is no market for limes they'll get the hint real quick.

DavidE - 3-26-2014 at 03:14 PM

"Middlemen?"

"MIDDLEMEN!?"

Wotta freakin; hoot

Next time I see Chino, I gotta tell him his new apodo is "MIDDLEMAN!" (Like Kaliman!)

COYOTE is what they have been and what they will remain. Chino drives a nearly new Black Dodge pickup with those baby-buggy tires and wheels. Funny thing, he never comes around when the military or SSP are in the area.

KaceyJ - 3-26-2014 at 04:13 PM

Margarita party in a year or two!:bounce:

The local fruit stand today had limes on sale for $3.50 / lb. and the last time I bought any they were 2lbs./ 1$ ---so stopped by the nursery and picked up two Mexican lime trees and one Tahiti lime tree. If hlb doesn't wipe em out I'll be prepared for a scurvy epidemic in a couple of years.

Leo - 3-26-2014 at 04:19 PM

OK whatever caused the 'lime-disease', we better get used to it, or indeed plant your lime trees.
Now what about eggs? They were scarce last year, but they are very expensive now too here in TS. 10 pesos for an egg!

Udo - 3-27-2014 at 08:26 AM

TEN pesos per egg?:?:

That will be 200 pesos a flat?:o

I think I'll start raising my own chickens:bounce:
Quote:
Originally posted by Leo
OK whatever caused the 'lime-disease', we better get used to it, or indeed plant your lime trees.
Now what about eggs? They were scarce last year, but they are very expensive now too here in TS. 10 pesos for an egg!

mcfez - 3-27-2014 at 08:56 AM

The next time you see lemons or limes on sale, buy an extra supply. At home, place the whole fruits in a freezer bag and stash them in the freezer.

When you need fresh lemon or lime juice, simply defrost the frozen lemons or limes in the microwave for a few seconds (or submerge in cold water for about 15 minutes.)

The texture of the lemon or lime will likely be mushy once thawed, but the juice will still be perfectly fine for use in your favorite recipes.

I've been doing this for years

willardguy - 3-27-2014 at 10:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Udo
TEN pesos per egg?:?:

That will be 200 pesos a flat?:o

I think I'll start raising my own chickens:bounce:



Quote:
Originally posted by Leo
OK whatever caused the 'lime-disease', we better get used to it, or indeed plant your lime trees.
Now what about eggs? They were scarce last year, but they are very expensive now too here in TS. 10 pesos for an egg!
whats up with this???? I could give a ratzazz if I ever see another lime, but i've been eating alot of eggs lately, you know, now that they're okay to eat again! (this week anyway):lol: anyone else seeing the price of eggs going up?

Cypress - 3-27-2014 at 10:30 AM

Don't know where Mexico fits in, but the average cost of food worldwide has gone up 37% according to info on the internet. The diversion of corn from food to ethanol and adverse weather are a couple of factors.

mcfez - 3-27-2014 at 11:50 AM

Fuel :o is the bigger reason.

Used on the farm tractor and water pumps. Used to transport the produce. Then the price of packaging manufactured with petroleum (plastics)....up, up, and further up.


".......Last week, the World Bank released a new report that further confirms what most of us have known for a long time — that rising crude oil prices are the biggest contributor to rising food prices. This may come as a shock to the growing hordes who believe the myth that corn for ethanol is the largest driver of food prices." http://theenergycollective.com/gsitty/233751/driving-food-pr...

[Edited on 3-27-2014 by mcfez]

DavidE - 3-27-2014 at 01:01 PM

OIL SHORTAGE? WOTTA BUNCHA MAROONS! (A cut N paste)





HOUSTON — Boosted by the galloping pace of tight oil operations, the United States produced a tenth of the world’s oil at the end of last year, the Energy Information Administration reports.

Overall U.S. oil production averaged 7.84 million barrels a day in the fourth quarter of 2013, 10 percent of the world production, up from 9 percent at the end of 2012. Shale and other dense rock, newly accessible because of advancements in hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling, accounted for 3.22 million barrels of the U.S. daily average during the three months ending Dec. 31.

The shale boom has given the U.S. a production rate not seen since 1988, as tight oil replaced declining production in conventional fields. Almost two-thirds of U.S. tight oil comes from South Texas’ Eagle Ford and North Dakota’s Bakken shales.

Study: Tight oil still profitable even if crude prices plummet

The Untied States is the undisputed global leader in tight oil production. Canada and Russia — the only other commercial tight oil producers — trail with 300,000 barrels per day and 100,000 barrels per day, respectively.

Most of Canada’s tight oil production comes from its western provinces of Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan. Russian producers have begun extracting tight oil by hydraulic fracturing in formations in the West Siberia Basin

danaeb - 4-3-2014 at 05:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
What complete mierda. There is no way that the cold snaps in the US have reached the states of Guerrero, Colima or Michoacan.

I just did a brief look and the temperature in Colima hasnt dropped below 60F all winter.........AT NIGHT!!!

The backyard citrus harvest in San Carlos has been in full swing for some time. We are hundreds of miles further north than those other states and we havent had a night below 50 degrees since early December. It's been the warmest winter, coupled with the lightest winds, than any local can remember.

I suspect price fixing. Even if the cost of insurance doubled for truckers, it would amount to so little when defrayed over all the limes (and other produce) carried. Where's the quadrupling of other produce if it is insurance related? So much produce comes from Sinaloa, which is a cartel hotbed. Where's the cartel related increases on the flavorless tomatoes we are forced to buy?

I guess it's possible that the cold has affected harvests in Florida and Texas. But I cant imagine it justifies a quadrupling of prices. Limes are grown in Central and So. America, too.

Another NAFTA shafta???


It appears you were right Hook, about the price-fixing:

La PrensaCiudad de México.- La Procuraduría Federal del Consumidor (Profeco) presentó este miércoles ante la Procuraduría General de la República (PGR) una denuncia en contra de quien o quienes resulten responsables de hechos que pueden ser constitutivos de delitos en contra de la economía nacional, por el excesivo precio del limón.


http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n3346147.htm

Udo - 4-3-2014 at 05:57 PM

Later this year i'll be planting three key lime trees at the house in BA.

According to some of the food co-ops in Baja, the cartels are involved in the distribution of limes as well as avocados.
The cartels are telling what they will pay the growers. The growers are letting the fruit rot, rather than taking the exorbitantly low prices the cartels are offering.

Pompano - 4-3-2014 at 06:21 PM

Went shopping for boat stuff the other day and thought this sight was timely for this thread.

Limes and other produce familiar to Baja... as seen today at a small market in the Pacific Northwest.




Price of Limes in US

Cypress - 4-5-2014 at 11:38 AM

$1.39 US dollars for one lime!:o Driving up the cost of a good fish taco. Jeez! My lime seeds haven't sprouted due to unseasonably cold temps. Will try again. Kinda looking foreword to a little Global Warming. Let the oceans rise. More room for the fish. Have 3 or 4 feet of wiggle room before the water will be a problem. 2050? 2075? Might be reaching the front steps by then.:)

Pompano - 4-5-2014 at 11:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
$1.39 US dollars for one lime!:o Driving up the cost of a good fish taco. Jeez! My lime seeds haven't sprouted due to unseasonably cold temps. Will try again. Kinda looking foreword to a little Global Warming. Let the oceans rise. More room for the fish. Have 3 or 4 feet of wiggle room before the water will be a problem. 2050? 2075? Might be reaching the front steps by then.:)


Cypress, those bayou limes are way overpriced @ $1.39 each. Here's a thought. You should drive a box-truck over here to Washington state, load up about 300 bushels of limes and peddle them back home...make a mint.




And of course watch out for gators and water moccasins when it starts to flood the swamps.

Cypress - 4-6-2014 at 04:59 AM

Pompano, The swamp is already flooded by spring rainstorms, the fish are in the trees.:biggrin:

sd - 4-6-2014 at 03:15 PM

Key limes at 99 cent store in California today are 99 cents for a one lb bag.

Cactus leaves also one lb for 99 cents, they will be on the grill soon with BBQ baby back ribs.

Udo - 4-7-2014 at 08:45 AM

I rarely stop at 99 cents store. My sister does regularly, and the key limes, is now a reason to stop there regularly.
I stopped there about a year ago and they had some paper plates that had flip flops on them...so I bought all they had.

Got limes???

bajaguy - 4-7-2014 at 09:10 AM

Just planted 3 year old locally - Ensenada - grown Key (Mexican) lime tree and orange tree yesterday. Now the waiting begins......

Here's the Canadian take on this

durrelllrobert - 4-7-2014 at 09:11 AM

canadaam.ctvnews.ca/bad-weather-drug-cartels-blamed-for-spike-in-lime-p...

CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Thursday, March 27, 2014 9:45AM EDT

Bad weather in Mexico is being blamed for a recent spike in the price of limes across Canada and the United States, where some supermarkets are now charging more than a dollar for a single lime -- almost triple what customers are used to paying.

But some importers say there is another element at play: Mexican drug cartels.

“The reality is that there is a criminal element in Mexico,” Raul Millan, the vice-president of Vision Import Group, told CTV’s Canada AM on Thursday. “What’s happening is that there have been containers that have been stolen. So some growers have had to incur other costs to protect their loads: They send their trucks with armed guards, they send a couple of cars that follow the truck for protection.”

Millan says that trucks destined for the U.S. from Mexican lime-producing regions like Veracruz and Michoacán can carry upwards of $100,000 worth of limes, making them prime targets for thieves.

But drug cartels are only part of the problem, Millan says.

Rain, wind and cold weather in December and January has killed blooming lime tree flowers in many regions, Millan says, resulting in a low volume of the fruit being harvested.

He says, in the U.S., a 40 pound box of limes is now selling for about $100, and that could go up by another $10 by Monday. Millan says he typically pays between $25 and $40 a box at this time of year.

But he says some Canadians won’t be hit as hard as Americans, as importers to this country have been receiving shipments of limes from Brazil. Millan cautions, however, that he trade-off for lower prices is lower quality.

“The Brazil lime is not the optimum lime, it is not as green as the Mexico lime, it’s not as juicy, it’s not what retailers or food service customers would prefer,” he said, adding that Canadian importers are paying about $60 for a box of Brazilian limes.

Millan says he expects prices on Mexican limes to remain as they are until the end of May, when he expects production to increase.

DENNIS - 4-7-2014 at 09:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Just planted 3 year old locally - Ensenada - grown Key (Mexican) lime tree and orange tree yesterday. Now the waiting begins......


Patience is a virtue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjAptSYCZP8

pauldavidmena - 4-7-2014 at 03:55 PM

Taken this afternoon at a supermarket in suburban Boston:



Fortunately blood oranges make for some awfully good margaritas. ;)






[Edited on 4-21-2014 by BajaNomad]

EnsenadaDr - 4-7-2014 at 05:53 PM

I bought a lemon in Albertson's in the San Diego area for 69 cents...crazy!!

Bob53 - 4-7-2014 at 06:22 PM

There are lemon, lime, orange and avo groves all around my house. I help myself. That is when my trees are bare.

DavidE - 4-8-2014 at 12:09 PM

You want reasonable price limones?

Let the autodefenses groups clean out the COYOTES that have been operating with government approval in Guerrero, Michoacan, and Colima. Gobernacion did ZERO, for 30 years, not PRI. not PAN to clean up the utterly CORRUPT gobernacion del estado de Michoacan. The result was La Familia Michoacana then their enforcers Los Caballeros Templarios.

BASTA YA!

No more 17% "comision" for my mangos to a coyote! Report the coyote to el ministerio publico, PROFECO, el PGR, PGE, los angeles verdes, and then you cannot sell your mangos.

Los Limoneros are tired of this as well as the owners of mil hectarias de aguacates. Let the "rurales" work. The national death toll RATE since EPN was elected has GONE UP, and FAST. There are going to be more Rosaritos coming to Baja California.

Just so you understand facts about the cost of limones. It may happen to aguacates as well.

DENNIS - 4-8-2014 at 12:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE

Just so you understand facts about the cost of limones. It may happen to aguacates as well.


Ohhhh well......why can't we make Margaritas out of watermelon? YUMMY :biggrin:

DavidE - 4-8-2014 at 01:09 PM

Hell we used to take a HORSE hypodermic needle and inject EVERCLEAR into watermelons. A lot of young ladies lost their virtue due to eating ice cold watermelon.

You can bet the aguacateros are going to follow suit, so if you have a guacamole fetish, better feed it now, if you're in Mexico.

Picking mangos Hadens now for semana santa. Chango cut 250+ cocos for las emramadas. Nice to see the 300# of 25-25-25 fertilizer didn't sit around in bags.

DENNIS - 4-8-2014 at 01:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE
so if you have a guacamole fetish, better feed it now, if you're in Mexico.



Not me. Never was one of my faves.

DavidE - 4-8-2014 at 04:02 PM

Mmmmmm, guacamole, gin, vermouth, brown sugar and cinnamon.....the adventurous add a couple of shakes of habanero jungle juice.

Se Llama Doctor Kevorkian

Por supuesto señor! Con or sin limón?

Whale-ista - 4-8-2014 at 09:43 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/08/news/companies/lime-shortage...

Line shortage hits the airlines.

Udo - 4-20-2014 at 02:19 PM

I just came back from a long weekend in Ensenada, and was walking by the fish market, and saw this sign from a street vendor by the outside fish taco stands...

This tiny fruit stand was selling really great looking Key Limes for 28 pesos a kilo.


These plastic bags were 20 pesos each
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If I needed that many, I could have bought the entire sack for 250 pesos.



Looks like the prices are coming down some. And the limes were looking really fresh (soft, shiny, green outer skin.

[Edited on 4-20-2014 by Udo]

[Edited on 4-20-2014 by Udo]

Mexican limes

durrelllrobert - 4-20-2014 at 03:59 PM

As we have done with tomatoes, we have sacrificed flavor for convenience and appearance. Key limes were grown commercially in southern Florida and the Florida keys, until the 1926 hurricane wiped out the citrus groves. The growers replaced the Key Lime trees with Persian Lime trees because they are easier to grow, easier to pick because they have no thorns, and due to the much thicker skin, are easier and more economical to ship. There are still many Key Lime trees throughout the Florida Keys in backyards however, commercial production is only on a very small scale. Though they do seem to be making a slight comeback as a Florida crop in recent years.

http://www.foodreference.com/html/articles-a.html





[Edited on 4-21-2014 by BajaNomad]

DENNIS - 4-20-2014 at 04:52 PM

Maybe this link will work better:

http://tinyurl.com/m6ztkr8

woody with a view - 4-20-2014 at 05:20 PM

1.29/lb for key limes vs 3.49/lb for limes in SD today.

KaceyJ - 4-20-2014 at 06:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Udo
I just came back from a long weekend in Ensenada, and was walking by the fish market, and saw this sign from a street vendor by the outside fish taco stands...

This tiny fruit stand was selling really great looking Key Limes for 28 pesos a kilo.


These plastic bags were 20 pesos each
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If I needed that many, I could have bought the entire sack for 250 pesos.



Looks like the prices are coming down some. And the limes were looking really fresh (soft, shiny, green outer skin.







Hey Udo,

Looks like the big bag would be the way to go , squeeze them and freeze them into lime cubes, si???

BTW , if they are really fresh , when you rub the skin they are oily


kc

DENNIS - 4-20-2014 at 07:55 PM

"BTW , if they are really fresh , when you rub the skin they are oily"...... kc
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Maybe as volatile as the oil in a lemon skin. Twist a "lemon twist" in front of a flame and it ignites like gasolene.

Udo - 4-21-2014 at 10:41 AM

That is how I pick out the really fresh ones, KC.

I know the big bag is the way to go, but my freezer space is limited, and that bag would take between 30 & 40 ice cube trays.

But I DID look at the bag twice and thought about it.

MitchMan - 4-21-2014 at 02:11 PM

In the OC in So-Cal at my local ethnic (Persion) market, key limes were $1.29 USD/lb, bought 12 limes for $.63 USD, that's about $.05 USD/lime. Not a bad price, will pay that all day long. UDO's $28 pesos per kilo is about the same as $1.00 USD/lb; not bad.

My neighbor in La Paz has several mature lime trees...plenty of free limes in the future, especially when my young lime tree starts producing. Now, if only avocados would grow in the Baja...don't know how true that is, but I don't know of anyone who has an avocado tree in La Paz. Oranges, limes and mangoes yes, but avocado, no.

[Edited on 4-21-2014 by MitchMan]

Udo - 4-21-2014 at 06:48 PM

Mitch...I know of two friends in East cape that have fruiting avocado trees. It si one of those trees that you have to have two of them, for them to produce fruit.

(Unless you do a graft job, like my sister did).

Feathers - 4-21-2014 at 07:46 PM

No need to juice the limes… just put them in a freezer bag and freeze 'em whole. Same with Lemons. The skin will be softer after freezing, but who eats the skin?

Just FYI… it's much easier to zest a frozen lemon or lime than a fresh one.

DENNIS - 4-22-2014 at 01:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Feathers

Just FYI… it's much easier to zest a frozen lemon or lime than a fresh one.


That sounds kinky. Do you have any fotos? :lol:
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