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New business venture for cartels

bajaguy - 3-17-2014 at 09:26 PM

http://news.msn.com/world/mexico-drug-cartel-makes-more-deal...

this sums it up...

Whale-ista - 3-17-2014 at 11:57 PM

"I've never looked at them as drug-trafficking organizations," Logan said of Mexico's cartels. "They're multinational corporations that will react to market pressures and do what they have to do to stay in business."

Pretty basic: supply (MX) and demand (US)

DENNIS - 3-18-2014 at 07:37 AM

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Originally posted by Whale-ista

Pretty basic: supply (MX) and demand (US)


Yeah....but......try to stay in business without an intimate understanding of this:

"No supply.......No demand." :light:

Ateo - 3-18-2014 at 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by Whale-ista

Pretty basic: supply (MX) and demand (US)


Yeah....but......try to stay in business without an intimate understanding of this:

"No supply.......No demand." :light:


The desire to get high ain't going away Dennis. People drink, use illegal drugs and use prescription drugs. It's what people do. Knowing this, we need smarter drug laws.

Ateo - 3-18-2014 at 07:50 AM

Interesting article, bajaguy. Yep, the cartels are no different than the mafia.

Staying power

bajaguy - 3-18-2014 at 08:00 AM

The cartels will stay around and adapt no matter what is done with drugs.

Udo - 3-18-2014 at 08:00 AM

Reading the entire article quoted by bajaguy, I can now see that the new(er) cartels also have some stranglehold in Mexican key limes, and avocados.

It is no wonder that key lime prices shot through the roof to almost 10 fold their original price of 5 to 8 Pesos/kilo, and avocados prices have also risen in prices.
In the US, several restaurant chains have cut back on the orders of avocados, plus they are removing guacamole from their menu.

Nye - 3-18-2014 at 08:04 AM

A thing not covered when I studied mining techniques at university of Alaska was smuggling-

Pescador - 3-18-2014 at 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by Udo
Reading the entire article quoted by bajaguy, I can now see that the new(er) cartels also have some stranglehold in Mexican key limes, and avocados.

It is no wonder that key lime prices shot through the roof to almost 10 fold their original price of 5 to 8 Pesos/kilo, and avocados prices have also risen in prices.
In the US, several restaurant chains have cut back on the orders of avocados, plus they are removing guacamole from their menu.


Just imagine two trucks headed north. One has marijuana and the other has limes. The profit margin may not be too much different and no one hassles you with a truck load of limes.

Whale-ista - 3-18-2014 at 11:48 AM

Good points: humans have always looked for ways to get high/drunk, legally or otherwise.

Prohibition failed miserably in the US. And the war on drugs has given the US the largest/most expensive prison population in the world, not to mention ridiculous lines at the border.

I really thought things were improving, but with reports like this...

I was often asked about security concerns when I lived in San Miguel in the 90s, around the time 15 people were assassinated in Sauzal. They were newcomers to the drug trade, or so we all believed at the time, and apparently crossed the lines of the Arellano organization.

Not sure that case was ever solved. Back then I would simply say about this violence: "It's business, and I'm a civilian."

Now...now so sure. It appears the "business" is extending into everyday lives, far beyond the border.

Ateo - 3-18-2014 at 02:45 PM

Here's an example of a drug that's been legalized:

DavidE - 3-21-2014 at 04:56 PM

" The desire to get high ain't going away Dennis. People drink, use illegal drugs and use prescription drugs. It's what people do. Knowing this, we need smarter drug laws"

INTERESTING...

"The desire to get high ain't going away Dennis. People drink, use illegal drugs and use prescription drugs. It's what people do. Knowing this, we need smarter people. "

DavidE - 3-21-2014 at 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by bajaguy
http://news.msn.com/world/mexico-drug-cartel-makes-more-deal...


WHERE DO THEY GET THIS KRAP?

Lessee,

The iron ore comes from the hills behind La Colorada, near La Mira. Michoacan. Then MIRACULOUSLY even though there is a perpetual SHORTAGE at Las Truchas, the SICARTSA steel mill (It is gigantic) in Lazaro, somehow the LCT MIRACLES enough iron ore to feed the mill AND export billions of dollars in ore to China? This story is so stupid it hurts. It's a CROCK! All the six and ten wheel dump trucks that enter La Mira Mex 37, then dogleg over to Mex 200 (a mile in length) end up in Las Truchas. There are 2 mills in Mexico. One in Lazaro the other in Monclova.

STEEL? Yeah sorta. Like all the rebar and plate coming from the plant, the thousands of tons of pig iron used to make car engines and axles and frames and fenders.

Whether LCT has influence over SICARTSA I do not know but I know that gosh darnned highway like the back of my hand and there is no gosh darnned parade of dump trucks going to the port.

Yeah, they turn off Mex 200 at LA ORILLA and loop around to the steel mill.

What'll it be next? Organ snatching? Hammond rather than kidney. Selling babies to Al Queda? Filching isotopes from Bahia Verde?

If it's Mexico it means 200 octane BS news stories will be gobbled up. Grab them forks, folks.

willardguy - 3-21-2014 at 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by DavidE
Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
http://news.msn.com/world/mexico-drug-cartel-makes-more-deal...


WHERE DO THEY GET THIS KRAP?

Lessee,

The iron ore comes from the hills behind La Colorada, near La Mira. Michoacan. Then MIRACULOUSLY even though there is a perpetual SHORTAGE at Las Truchas, the SICARTSA steel mill (It is gigantic) in Lazaro, somehow the LCT MIRACLES enough iron ore to feed the mill AND export billions of dollars in ore to China? This story is so stupid it hurts. It's a CROCK! All the six and ten wheel dump trucks that enter La Mira Mex 37, then dogleg over to Mex 200 (a mile in length) end up in Las Truchas. There are 2 mills in Mexico. One in Lazaro the other in Monclova.

STEEL? Yeah sorta. Like all the rebar and plate coming from the plant, the thousands of tons of pig iron used to make car engines and axles and frames and fenders.

Whether LCT has influence over SICARTSA I do not know but I know that gosh darnned highway like the back of my hand and there is no gosh darnned parade of dump trucks going to the port.

Yeah, they turn off Mex 200 at LA ORILLA and loop around to the steel mill.

What'll it be next? Organ snatching? Hammond rather than kidney. Selling babies to Al Queda? Filching isotopes from Bahia Verde?

If it's Mexico it means 200 octane BS news stories will be gobbled up. Grab them forks, folks.
easy hotrod, you'll hurt yourself!:lol:

bledito - 3-21-2014 at 06:35 PM

whats the average wage in mexico? it's low, even when there is work to be found. the cartels like the mafia or any other gang is taking advantage of the demand of human behavior, the need to survive. they pay. most likely a wage better than can be found in the legal buisness enviorment. they use illegal drug demand and any other illegal methods they can to generate revenue to expand into other markets. if mexico were able pay a better wage and expand it's production of materials produced providing more work maybe the human draw to the illegal method to survive would begin to dry up.

DavidE - 3-22-2014 at 10:46 AM

Seņor, with all due respect Mexico, in it's full authentic TRUE glory is enchanting and exotic enough as is. Why do institutions and individuals INSIST on going STUPID and manufacturing hysterical fiction about the country? Whenever I read these stories I know that despite the worst intentions of the fictionalists, the stories HURT people, especially Mexico's best, the poor. I have met more CIA agents, ex Vietnam helicopter gunship door gunners, "successful" ex dope smugglers, corporate CEO's (driving battered 30 year old pickups), detectives, and MEE solar engineers down here than I have in the USA. "And what do YOU do for a living?" is the greatest opening line for 100-100-100 grade fertilizer I have ever heard down here. "Ex seal. Al Qaeda assassin sniper hunter when not at home in Malibu".

It gets old..