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Plants into Baja

Bajayan - 5-2-2014 at 09:29 AM

Has anyone taken plants with them to Baja Sur? Is it legal? Is there a quarantine system/fee? Is it just to complicated to consider?

durrelllrobert - 5-2-2014 at 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by Bajayan
Has anyone taken plants with them to Baja Sur? Is it legal? Is there a quarantine system/fee? Is it just to complicated to consider?

As far as I know (from personal experience) it's not the plants that are illegal to import; it's the dirt they are planted in. Bare root plants are OK as long as they aren't pot.

Udo - 5-2-2014 at 09:57 AM

I'll second Bob's assessment.

When we reach the 28th parallel, the agriculture department always asks about plants. And in some instances they have searched our car.

David K - 5-2-2014 at 11:31 AM

There are other roads into Baja Sur than on the highway. Remove all soil if you want to.

bajaguy - 5-2-2014 at 11:42 AM

Advocating skirting or breaking the law???

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There are other roads into Baja Sur than on the highway. Remove all soil if you want to.

Bajaboy - 5-2-2014 at 11:48 AM

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There are other roads into Baja Sur than on the highway. Remove all soil if you want to.

Very sound advice if you're a proponent of breaking the law

David K - 5-2-2014 at 11:55 AM

No you two... There are other open 'legal' roads into Baja Sur, that is all. None have any sign posted with any 'rules' about what goes across.

Are you assuming this fellow is knowingly infesting an entire state with bugs? You missed where I said he can remove the soil if he is concerned.

Why do you assume government knows best on everything? Some people actually know more than government.

[Edited on 5-2-2014 by David K]

danaeb - 5-2-2014 at 12:14 PM

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Some people actually know more than government.

Believe it or not, David, the "government" is made up of "some people" who are actually interested in protecting the interests of their countrymen (in this case growers) who could be negatively affected by the unknowing importation of destructive insects/organisms whether on the plant itself or in the soil. The plants themselves, even if non-infested, can become invasive.

Not all government is evil.

[Edited on 5-2-2014 by danaeb]

Bajayan - 5-2-2014 at 12:18 PM

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As far as I know (from personal experience) it's not the plants that are illegal to import; it's the dirt they are planted in. Bare root plants are OK as long as they aren't pot.

Interesting, I guess that could work. I'll ask when I go through as well next time and hope not to lose any cuttings...

blackwolfmt - 5-2-2014 at 12:42 PM

So a few plants in a container of water will work fine, that's all I needed to know, I think I will ask my sis's boyfriend I am sure he said he buys plants at home depot in Phoenix and takes them to his mom in Hermosillo all the time

Bajaboy - 5-2-2014 at 12:45 PM

I was specifically told that I could not bring plants (grapes) from BC to BCS by the ag guys at the State line.

David K, your logic makes no sense....once again. :rolleyes:

danaeb - 5-2-2014 at 12:45 PM

Why not just buy what's locally available? Please think twice before bringing your plants across the border.

Here are just a few examples of devastating affects to commercial crops of "imported" insects:

http://www.farmbureauvc.com/pest.html

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blackwolfmt - 5-2-2014 at 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by danaeb
Why not just buy what's locally available? Please think twice before bringing your plants across the border.

Here are just a few examples of devastating affects to commercial crops of "imported" insects:
http://www.farmbureauvc.com/pest.html

[Edited on 5-2-2014 by danaeb]

Yes danaeb I have a small nursery Organic so I don't use pesticides or herbs, and bugs make my days frustrating, believe me I will just pick up a few cactus plants when i'm there after all i'm in BAJA

glad I don't have these yet the Asian citrus psyllid

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bacquito - 5-2-2014 at 01:10 PM

My wife got stopped from entering Mexico at San Ysidro with a potted plant (a palm) purchased at Home Depot. Yes, the problem was with the soil.
Our soils have problems that don't occur in Mexico and vice/versa. This type of inspection is a world effort to control infestations.
The inspector was correct.

bacquito - 5-2-2014 at 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by blackwolfmt

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The Asian citrus psyllid has shown up in Yuma Az, and Rio San Luis, Mexico- it is on the way!!

bacquito - 5-2-2014 at 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by Bajayan

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As far as I know (from personal experience) it's not the plants that are illegal to import; it's the dirt they are planted in. Bare root plants are OK as long as they aren't pot.

Interesting, I guess that could work. I'll ask when I go through as well next time and hope not to lose any cuttings...

If the plant itself is not a problem!!

bajaguy - 5-2-2014 at 01:27 PM

http://consulmex.sre.gob.mx/reinounido/index.php/visas/79#7

•The Ministry of Agriculture prohibits the following goods since they represent a great risk for the introduction of plagues and diseases: earth, straw, padded containers of hay, straw decorations without processing; homemade foods; flours of animal origin; fresh, dry, canned or frozen meat and meat products, such as smoky, salted and mature sausages that have been elaborated in countries under absolute quarantine (Europe, Africa, Asia and South America).

For additional information please visit the website:

www.sagarpa.gob.mx

The Federal Law on Plant Health – The Plant Health Law authorizes SAGARPA to reduce the risks of microbiological, physical and chemical contamination in the production of crops and to take actions to promote and protect plant health.

According to the Law, phytosanitary certificates are required for imports likely to host diseases or pests. While some agricultural products may be the subject of specific regulations, such as NOM-012-FITO-1996 on preventing the introduction of potato pests, the Plant Health Law also requires SAGARPA to develop Phytosanitary Requirement sheets (Hojas de Requisitos Fitosanitarios) which also lay out specific requirements for imported plant products.

http://www.senasica.gob.mx/?Idioma=2&id=622

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Not ALL Government is EVIL ?

MrBillM - 5-2-2014 at 01:34 PM

Actually, most government is not Evil.

Unnecessary and Corrupt might be the majority, though.

Especially in Mexico.

Not that corruption there isn't at times good.

I always found Mordida to be a good way to do business with the authorities.

bajalearner - 5-2-2014 at 01:43 PM

I didn't know this. I crossed at SY with 2 4 ft tall potted plants. I rolled the side windows down as usual when I drove past the officials who did not stop me. I took them to my place in TJ. Sounds like I was in violation.

tehag - 5-2-2014 at 03:49 PM

Just don't do it! Invasive species, both plant and pathogenic are a global problem of enormous cost to everyone.

willardguy - 5-2-2014 at 03:57 PM

so this is why our border patrol frowns on crossing with a muddy vehicle? :?:

David K - 5-2-2014 at 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
I was specifically told that I could not bring plants (grapes) from BC to BCS by the ag guys at the State line.

David K, your logic makes no sense....once again. :rolleyes:

Yes Zac, and if you like your health care plan, you can keep it... Oh, and the average family will pay $2000 LESS a year for their insurance! :lol:

durrelllrobert - 5-2-2014 at 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by bacquito

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Originally posted by blackwolfmt

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The Asian citrus psyllid has shown up in Yuma Az, and Rio San Luis, Mexico- it is on the way!!

I think it's even further south now and is one of the reasons that the price of limes has gone up so much in Mexico as well as the states.

Bajaboy - 5-2-2014 at 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Yes Zac, and if you like your health care plan, you can keep it... Oh, and the average family will pay $2000 LESS a year for their insurance! :lol:

There you go again :rolleyes:

I also heard that Obamacare was going to destroy the economy and there would be death squads :biggrin:

bacquito - 5-2-2014 at 06:33 PM

Agricultural inspections are important-please note the attached.

http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2014/05/02/bad-meat-investigation/?...

blackwolfmt - 5-2-2014 at 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by willardguy
so this is why our border patrol frowns on crossing with a muddy vehicle? :?:

Since you bring this up . don't forget about Boats with invasive weed and other crap underneath going from baja to Az to Co to TX, back to Ca then to la Paz

Bajayan - 5-2-2014 at 07:32 PM

I'll look into the phyto certificates. I don't want to bring in bugs, and don't mind a reasonable cost to ensure that for certain plants that aren't available in Baja.

woody with a view - 5-2-2014 at 08:41 PM

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Has anyone taken plants with them to Baja Sur? Is it legal? Is there a quarantine system/fee? Is it just to complicated to consider?

we used to take just enough "plants" to get us to Calafia after work, surf our nuts off, eat tacos in rosarito and be back to the border by 9pm.

we'd stop in the center divider going north at coronado ave and grab the bag with the rest of the "plants" on our way back to point loma.

this was the mid 80's..... sorry if this doesn't help!