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The real yellowfin tuna showed up...finally

bajainfo - 5-18-2014 at 04:21 PM

Rancho Leonero Resort, East Cape BCS, Mexico
A report right from the source:

The week of May 11-18

Water - Water temps have stabilized with inshore at 72 degrees; outside 80 degrees, flat and calm.

Air - Cool mornings, nice weather … highs in the low 90s. Last couple of days were beautiful and clear.

The Environment:

As we say in Mexico, “Perfecto!”

The Bottom Line:

A solid Leonero 8 on a 1 to 10 scale.

Marlin – They are jumping into the boats! Very, very good billfishing. All boats targeting marlin are releasing at least one, most multiples. The fish are an easy 15 to 20 minutes from the "Ranch," directly in front of La Ribera.

Dorado – Good fishing early in the week with all anglers limiting although the bite has slowed some in the past few days.

Roosterfish and more – Roosters have been on and off this week. The best gallo bite has been south, around Los Frailes. Fish in the 50-pound range are being released daily.

Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch …
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The first yellowfin tuna showed this week. On Friday, the JenWren ran into a school of tuna off Los Frailes. The boat limited with the largest fish a bruiser weighing 63-pounds.

weebray - 5-18-2014 at 05:44 PM

"Whenever I see a photograph of some sportsman grinning over his kill, I am always impressed by the striking moral and esthetic superiority of the dead animal to the live one." Edward Abbey

ncampion - 5-18-2014 at 05:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by weebray
"Whenever I see a photograph of some sportsman grinning over his kill, I am always impressed by the striking moral and esthetic superiority of the dead animal to the live one." Edward Abbey


That's what we get for being at the top of the food chain. Nature's way.

willardguy - 5-18-2014 at 05:53 PM

"whenever I see a post by weebray spewing BS, I am always reminded of the saying, "what a tool!" willardguy

drzura - 5-18-2014 at 05:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by weebray
"Whenever I see a photograph of some sportsman grinning over his kill, I am always impressed by the striking moral and esthetic superiority of the dead animal to the live one." Edward Abbey


Yeah..... they're probably going to eat it too. Have you purchased any beef, pork, or chicken lately? You tool.....

weebray - 5-18-2014 at 06:34 PM

Geez, you'd think I said something bad about an Apple product. In fact, the truth is most of the sport catch in Baja is carried back to the freezers of the overfishermen of the US. There is sits, and sits, and sits until it is inedible and not even good for bait. Oh, I know, your gonna get on here and tell me how "I eat everything I catch" or "I only catch what I can eat" or some such other BS but the truth is most of it is wasted. If you want to eat fish, go to a fish market, it's much cheaper and you'll never get skunked. If you want to fish, fine, but release the damn things, especially the baby ones as pictured. Sure I eat beef, pork and chicken. But I don't go out and kill it and leave half of it to rot. I used to fish a lot - I quit during my last rockfishing trip off the California coast. The bag limit was 10 but when we hit a productive bank the crowd went wild and the slaughter was on. Not a word was spoken by the crew or capitan. The worst part here is that those of you spewing the most vitriol know I speak the truth. I've been there, it's ugly.

drzura - 5-18-2014 at 07:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by weebray
Geez, you'd think I said something bad about an Apple product. In fact, the truth is most of the sport catch in Baja is carried back to the freezers of the overfishermen of the US. There is sits, and sits, and sits until it is inedible and not even good for bait. Oh, I know, your gonna get on here and tell me how "I eat everything I catch" or "I only catch what I can eat" or some such other BS but the truth is most of it is wasted. If you want to eat fish, go to a fish market, it's much cheaper and you'll never get skunked. If you want to fish, fine, but release the damn things, especially the baby ones as pictured. Sure I eat beef, pork and chicken. But I don't go out and kill it and leave half of it to rot. I used to fish a lot - I quit during my last rockfishing trip off the California coast. The bag limit was 10 but when we hit a productive bank the crowd went wild and the slaughter was on. Not a word was spoken by the crew or capitan. The worst part here is that those of you spewing the most vitriol know I speak the truth. I've been there, it's ugly.


You just let the slaughter houses do the dirty work for you; outta sight, outta mind, right? I would rather catch and have fresh fish, and actually, give most away to friends and family.

Pacifico - 5-18-2014 at 07:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by weebray
"Whenever I see a photograph of some sportsman grinning over his kill, I am always impressed by the striking moral and esthetic superiority of the dead animal to the live one." Edward Abbey


Edward Abbey = vegetarian

BajaRat - 5-18-2014 at 08:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by weebray
Geez, you'd think I said something bad about an Apple product. In fact, the truth is most of the sport catch in Baja is carried back to the freezers of the overfishermen of the US. There is sits, and sits, and sits until it is inedible and not even good for bait. Oh, I know, your gonna get on here and tell me how "I eat everything I catch" or "I only catch what I can eat" or some such other BS but the truth is most of it is wasted. If you want to eat fish, go to a fish market, it's much cheaper and you'll never get skunked. If you want to fish, fine, but release the damn things, especially the baby ones as pictured. Sure I eat beef, pork and chicken. But I don't go out and kill it and leave half of it to rot. I used to fish a lot - I quit during my last rockfishing trip off the California coast. The bag limit was 10 but when we hit a productive bank the crowd went wild and the slaughter was on. Not a word was spoken by the crew or capitan. The worst part here is that those of you spewing the most vitriol know I speak the truth. I've been there, it's ugly.


Wow, thanks for the education. Guess I'll get rid of my gear, sell our ranchito, move to the city and start feeding my family McGarbages over fished Fillet O' Fish, caged chicken Mc Nuggets, and feed lot antibiotic pumped Big Macs............. Ur a real............. life saver :?:

redhilltown - 5-19-2014 at 12:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by drzura
Quote:
Originally posted by weebray
Geez, you'd think I said something bad about an Apple product. In fact, the truth is most of the sport catch in Baja is carried back to the freezers of the overfishermen of the US. There is sits, and sits, and sits until it is inedible and not even good for bait. Oh, I know, your gonna get on here and tell me how "I eat everything I catch" or "I only catch what I can eat" or some such other BS but the truth is most of it is wasted. If you want to eat fish, go to a fish market, it's much cheaper and you'll never get skunked. If you want to fish, fine, but release the damn things, especially the baby ones as pictured. Sure I eat beef, pork and chicken. But I don't go out and kill it and leave half of it to rot. I used to fish a lot - I quit during my last rockfishing trip off the California coast. The bag limit was 10 but when we hit a productive bank the crowd went wild and the slaughter was on. Not a word was spoken by the crew or capitan. The worst part here is that those of you spewing the most vitriol know I speak the truth. I've been there, it's ugly.


You just let the slaughter houses do the dirty work for you; outta sight, outta mind, right? I would rather catch and have fresh fish, and actually, give most away to friends and family.



Perfect response. i don't know where he gets off saying most of sport fishermen goes wasted...do you go their houses? Do you examine their freezers? Maybe a creepy fridge cam? Takes an example or two and extrapolates it out to conclusion based on practically nothing. And what the HELL do you know about the fish you find at a "fish market"?? Let me answer that: nothing. It might be open air...it might have nice people and a good vibe..pretty banners....but you know nothing of where or how that fish was caught (though I am sure there are some that are honorable and more power to them.) Yes...the Dorado pictured were small but they live fast and die young...the commercial fleets decimate them, not the sport fishermen. As to rockfish Wee has a point...they grow slowly and are very easily over fished. Maybe Wee has many a comment/rant and thread about commercial fishing...at least he would be honest on both sides. As a final note I have read my fair share of Ed Abbey and while a complicated soul, is one of the best nature writers ever...but if you wanna take the high ground on this then you better deal with his comments on women, cows/animals, and...well yes, Mexicans.

mtgoat666 - 5-19-2014 at 06:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by weebray
"Whenever I see a photograph of some sportsman grinning over his kill, I am always impressed by the striking moral and esthetic superiority of the dead animal to the live one." Edward Abbey


Ditto!

Pescador - 5-19-2014 at 06:35 AM

I understand that when I put a lure out and pull it in the right place, at the right speed, and under the right conditions, something will eat it.

What I don't understand is how the few progressive libs that post regularly on here are able to do the same thing. They throw out a lure that is not even very deceptive and for sure does not look like the real thing ( meaning an original thought or profound idea) but it gets strikes never the less.

Pacifico - 5-19-2014 at 06:39 AM

“One final paragraph of advice: do not burn yourselves out. Be as I am - a reluctant enthusiast....a part-time crusader, a half-hearted fanatic. Save the other half of yourselves and your lives for pleasure and adventure. It is not enough to fight for the land; it is even more important to enjoy it. While you can. While it’s still here. So get out there and hunt and fish and mess around with your friends, ramble out yonder and explore the forests, climb the mountains, bag the peaks, run the rivers, breathe deep of that yet sweet and lucid air, sit quietly for a while and contemplate the precious stillness, the lovely, mysterious, and awesome space. Enjoy yourselves, keep your brain in your head and your head firmly attached to the body, the body active and alive, and I promise you this much; I promise you this one sweet victory over our enemies, over those desk-bound men and women with their hearts in a safe deposit box, and their eyes hypnotized by desk calculators. I promise you this; You will outlive the bastards.”
Edward Abbey

Hook - 5-19-2014 at 07:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pescador
I understand that when I put a lure out and pull it in the right place, at the right speed, and under the right conditions, something will eat it.

What I don't understand is how the few progressive libs that post regularly on here are able to do the same thing. They throw out a lure that is not even very deceptive and for sure does not look like the real thing ( meaning an original thought or profound idea) but it gets strikes never the less.


This reminds me of the story in Walt Peterson's Baja Adventure Book about their friend who could never catch anything, even in a hot bite. He was always dragging the wrong lure at the wrong speed at the wrong distance from the boat, or something.

They figured they would tip off the vegetarian groups of the world about his "techniques" and they would then promote it around the world.

Osprey - 5-19-2014 at 08:08 AM

I too have sinned. I have been an overtaker, a greedy man. Now, for the last few years I have been making up for my excesses. It's a simple form of expiation --- I use rod, reels, lures and I continue to troll and enjoy the day. What I do differently is try to avoid conditions that favor the fisherman but serve the fish. I look for places where there are no fish of any kind, troll at various and sometimes reckless speeds and patterns. On a good day I leave the fishery as I found it. Sometimes dumb luck brings me strikes and fine sport and food fish so I guess you could say, of the the scheme, the plan, that some days are better than others.

I said it was a plan. I never said it was a good plan.

[Edited on 5-19-2014 by Osprey]

[Edited on 5-19-2014 by Osprey]

dtbushpilot - 5-19-2014 at 09:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Osprey
I too have sinned. I have been an overtaker, a greedy man. Now, for the last few years I have been making up for my excesses. It's a simple form of expiation --- I use rod, reels, lures and I continue to troll and enjoy the day. What I do differently is try to avoid conditions that favor the fisherman but serve the fish. I look for places where there are no fish of any kind, troll at various and sometimes reckless speeds and patterns. On a good day I leave the fishery as I found it. Sometimes dumb luck brings me strikes and fine sport and food fish so I guess you could say, of the the scheme, the plan, that some days are better than others.

I said it was a plan. I never said it was a good plan.

[Edited on 5-19-2014 by Osprey]

[Edited on 5-19-2014 by Osprey]


I have apparently been practicing your technique for many years, let's go fishing some time Jorge, I could use some tips from a pro.:bounce::bounce:

willardguy - 5-19-2014 at 10:05 AM

:lol: all this from the guys that complain about the lack of fishing reports!

thanks for the report, looks like a great time!:D

weebray - 5-19-2014 at 10:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pacifico
Edward Abbey = vegetarian
To paraphrase Robert Frost. A wise man speaks because he has something to say, a fool speaks because he has to say something. If you know nothing about Ed Abbey don't tell us what you don't know.



"Nobody seems more obsessed by diet than our anti-materialist, otherworldly, New Age, spiritual types. But if the material world is merely illusion, an honest guru should be as content with Budweiser and bratwurst as with raw carrot juice, tofu, and seaweed slime."


Edward Abbey (1927 - 1989

[Edited on 5-19-2014 by weebray]

[Edited on 5-19-2014 by weebray]

weebray - 5-19-2014 at 11:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pacifico
“One final paragraph of advice: do not burn yourselves out. Be as I am - a reluctant enthusiast....a part-time crusader, a half-hearted fanatic. Save the other half of yourselves and your lives for pleasure and adventure. It is not enough to fight for the land; it is even more important to enjoy it. While you can. While it’s still here. So get out there and hunt and fish and mess around with your friends, ramble out yonder and explore the forests, climb the mountains, bag the peaks, run the rivers, breathe deep of that yet sweet and lucid air, sit quietly for a while and contemplate the precious stillness, the lovely, mysterious, and awesome space. Enjoy yourselves, keep your brain in your head and your head firmly attached to the body, the body active and alive, and I promise you this much; I promise you this one sweet victory over our enemies, over those desk-bound men and women with their hearts in a safe deposit box, and their eyes hypnotized by desk calculators. I promise you this; You will outlive the bastards.”
Edward Abbey


Hmmm, Pacifico, seems you do know Ed Abbey. You make my point. I have the blood of hundreds of animals on my hands. I have hunted, fished, bought live animals to butcher and raised all manner of domesticated "meat" in my life. To paraphrase Robert Frost again, life is born into light and ends in wisdom. I am not pontificating a holier than thou attitude here, I too have sinned. The point here is we all may want to consider some restraint, not man's most strong suit. When I go to the airport and watch the coolers full of fish fillets loading on the great aluminum tube bound for LA I am witnessing one part of the degradation of the fishery here. We can argue what percentage won't ever be consumed but we all know that some of it will not be consumed. My experience with myself and friends is that that percentage is significant. My neighbors are fishermen, hard working, honest and 4th generation. Between them and the Bravo market my fish needs are satiated. Sport fishing for food makes no economic sense but sport fishing for fun - well - that's what Ed Abbey is all about.

Pescador - 5-19-2014 at 04:03 PM

One thing is for sure and that is Weebray spent entirely too much time out in the sun and fried a few vital parts.

weebray - 5-19-2014 at 04:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pescador
One thing is for sure and that is Weebray spent entirely too much time out in the sun and fried a few vital parts.


Oh what a snappy rejoinder. You are so clever. Now if you'd just get rid of that annoying and childish avatar people may take your drivel more seriously.

Pescador - 5-20-2014 at 03:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by weebray
Quote:
Originally posted by Pescador
One thing is for sure and that is Weebray spent entirely too much time out in the sun and fried a few vital parts.


Oh what a snappy rejoinder. You are so clever. Now if you'd just get rid of that annoying and childish avatar people may take your drivel more seriously.


Here is a snappy rejoinder. You come on a perfectly good fishing report from someone who took the time and you think it is necessary to invoke your thought police badge and tell those of us who happen to enjoy the whole culture of fishing that you are way above spiritually the low lifes who choose to partake even though you admit to having been a lowlife yourself for some time. But Now, you have seen the light and are in a much higher space spiritually and intellectually and if we would only read Ed Abbey, we might find some level of intellectual spirtuality also.

If you choose to go off on a tangent that is in a completely different direction than the original poster, I suspect it would be more effective to start your own rant and then see how much response you might get. Dennis feels very close to your thoughts as other posts I have read have indicated, but he is not going over the wall to try to show his superiority (or lack therof) on a thread about a fishing report.

Your behavior reminds me of the guy who has smoked for years but for some reason or other gives it up and then starts preaching to the whole world about the evils of tobacco. You are certainly entitled to your change of heart and your "new enlightenment" but I just wish you would find a more socially acceptable way of expressing it.

Hook - 5-20-2014 at 04:19 AM

The YFT have showed up here, too!!! Gonna chase 'em today. 40-60lbs. Nice size! About 30 miles out but, hey, you gotta do what you gotta do.

The sea is spring-time alive, right now. So much wildlife. Orcas, dozens and dozens of tortugas, jumping mantas, finback whales, sperm whales, schools of porpoise/dolphins in the thousands, jumping bills.

Catching fish hardly matters right now.

chuckie - 5-20-2014 at 04:36 AM

Well said Hook....A day on the SOC is always a special thing....Catching fish is a bonus...But I do like to catch fish...great news the Tuna are in....enjoy...and thanks for the comments and report....

Pacifico - 5-20-2014 at 05:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pescador
Quote:
Originally posted by weebray
Quote:
Originally posted by Pescador
One thing is for sure and that is Weebray spent entirely too much time out in the sun and fried a few vital parts.


Oh what a snappy rejoinder. You are so clever. Now if you'd just get rid of that annoying and childish avatar people may take your drivel more seriously.


Here is a snappy rejoinder. You come on a perfectly good fishing report from someone who took the time and you think it is necessary to invoke your thought police badge and tell those of us who happen to enjoy the whole culture of fishing that you are way above spiritually the low lifes who choose to partake even though you admit to having been a lowlife yourself for some time. But Now, you have seen the light and are in a much higher space spiritually and intellectually and if we would only read Ed Abbey, we might find some level of intellectual spirtuality also.

If you choose to go off on a tangent that is in a completely different direction than the original poster, I suspect it would be more effective to start your own rant and then see how much response you might get. Dennis feels very close to your thoughts as other posts I have read have indicated, but he is not going over the wall to try to show his superiority (or lack therof) on a thread about a fishing report.

Your behavior reminds me of the guy who has smoked for years but for some reason or other gives it up and then starts preaching to the whole world about the evils of tobacco. You are certainly entitled to your change of heart and your "new enlightenment" but I just wish you would find a more socially acceptable way of expressing it.


Pescador, you nailed it! Well said....

Now, standby for another quote or snappy rejoinder from you know who.....

Hook, glad to hear things look great over there! I'm heading south now....

MitchMan - 5-20-2014 at 10:33 AM

I'm a "lib" as the "con" Pescador says it, and I fish. There were times decades ago when I "over fished" in the sense that I didn't consume all that I caught, since then I make sure that I do not do that anymore. To waste resources is a sin in my book.

Homo sapiens are the superior form of life and I do believe that, as such, humans have certain privileges over other forms of life, but not simply because of this superiority of design alone, but more because of the lower forms of life's lack of self awareness, intellectual consciousness, developed emotionality, awareness of distinctions between past and present and future, capacity for the level of care and sense of morality, and their living only in the present (for the most part) and the distinct simplicity of their consciousness.

In short, because of the lack of mental and emotional sophistication of the lower forms of life, I feel justified in killing fish for sport only so long as I eat the fish and share the fish with others who will eat it and do not participate in the species extinction.

[Edited on 5-20-2014 by MitchMan]

Feathers - 5-20-2014 at 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by Pacifico

Pescador, you nailed it! Well said....



Yes, he did… square on the head! :bounce:

Cypress - 5-20-2014 at 12:17 PM

Catch and keep as many as you're legally allowed, but see to it that they aren't wasted. You'll probably be invited to a fish dinner or two.:D

Pescador - 5-20-2014 at 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by MitchMan
I'm a "lib" as the "con" Pescador says it, and I fish. There were times decades ago when I "over fished" in the sense that I didn't consume all that I caught, since then I make sure that I do not do that anymore. To waste resources is a sin in my book.

Homo sapiens are the superior form of life and I do believe that, as such, humans have certain privileges over other forms of life, but not simply because of this superiority of design alone, but more because of the lower forms of life's lack of self awareness, intellectual consciousness, developed emotionality, awareness of distinctions between past and present and future, capacity for the level of care and sense of morality, and their living only in the present (for the most part) and the distinct simplicity of their consciousness.

In short, because of the lack of mental and emotional sophistication of the lower forms of life, I feel justified in killing fish for sport only so long as I eat the fish and share the fish with others who will eat it and do not participate in the species extinction.

[Edited on 5-20-2014 by MitchMan]


We may be on different sides of the political line, but I always respect what you have to say because you think things through and always offer a really intelligent response to issues. It is always refreshing to have discussions with those who take the high road.

[Edited on 5-20-2014 by Pescador]

mtgoat666 - 5-20-2014 at 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by MitchMan
Homo sapiens are the superior form of life and I do believe that, as such, humans have certain privileges over other forms of life, but not simply because of this superiority of design alone, but more because of the lower forms of life's lack of self awareness, intellectual consciousness, developed emotionality, awareness of distinctions between past and present and future, capacity for the level of care and sense of morality, and their living only in the present (for the most part) and the distinct simplicity of their consciousness.


y'all should watch the planet of the apes movies!

:lol::lol::lol: what a crack up! "killing can be fun, we are justified it by our superiority"
i am amused when people say such,... because when (not if) man finally meets an alien life form and that alien is superior to man,... the reflective man will see the error of his previously thinking this about "lower" species.

what ever happened to living life by the golden rule, and respecting all creatures?

peace out!

weebray - 5-20-2014 at 04:32 PM

I made a simple point. Go look at the picture. Who appears to be more esthetically superior? -well, answer the question. The escalation of my observation was brought to this thread but by the rabid overfishermen stuck in the Eisenhower days when you could walk across La Paz bay to the magote on the backs of the fish living there. I can just see the spittle at the corner of the mouths of these "Pescadores". Rave on ye fat and greezy citizens.

woody with a view - 5-20-2014 at 04:40 PM

"You make my point. I have the blood of hundreds of animals on my hands. I have hunted, fished, bought live animals to butcher and raised all manner of domesticated "meat" in my life."

just stop eating and do us all a favor......

tiotomasbcs - 5-20-2014 at 04:43 PM

Maybe a Fish Dinner on the Malecon with Blanca and Les?? You guys are hard Ass! Why the need to take a different opinion? These Santa Rosalia/ Mulege guys have a long history, Multiplicity. What do you do for fun? Jazz. that's cool. I don't criticize. Tio

MitchMan - 5-20-2014 at 08:03 PM

Thanks, Pescador, I appreciate your magnanimous comment.

Goat, I don't disagree with your perspective in spirit. Superiority is not an unfettered license to take total advantage of other entities in any and all circumstances. Hitler and the N-zis took the position that superiority of one race gives that race unfettered and total license to totally abuse, control, exploit, consume, and even exterminate another race of people. That is not what I believe and that is not what most people with a conscience believe.

In this regard, generally all humans are quite and extensively and vastly totally superior to the next lower mammal/animal in the evolutionary line. That level of superiority alone is not enough, however, to have privileges over lesser animals. The fact that most all of those lower animals have a very limited level of awareness and intelligence which limits their level of realization of experience and therefore limited level of cognizance and much less complex emotion together with a limited concept of the past, present and future is the other characteristic (together with the immenseness of the superiority of human intelligence and range of emotion, etc.) that I think give us humans certain privileges over lower animals.

In fact, all of us humans are bestowed with that level of capacity, intelligence and complex emotionality (among other qualities) that I believe that we humans are entitled to a level of regard as beings in this universe to be always entitled to autonomy and unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness even if a superior type of being to us humans should land on our planet.

That is a huge difference to Hitler's philosophy...he drew the lines between different races and differing capacities/characteristics among humans, I draw the line between the human race (taken as a whole and excluding no one) and lower animals.

I don't see my philosophy as being based on a slippery slope and I do believe it allows for an appropriate, informed and conscionable level of respect for all creatures and nature itself.

I have the highest regard for your thoughts, Goat, and I consider you an ally in many ways.

[Edited on 5-21-2014 by MitchMan]

Pescador - 5-21-2014 at 07:41 AM

In much the same manner that a good farmer is always watching the condition of his land, monitoring water levels, checking for nutrition and proper growing conditions, and putting back in the form of seeding and fertilization, most sportsmen that I have personally known in my life have the same attitude towards the sea and rivers that produce fish or the lands that produce wildlife. Anyone that has spent much time afield knows that there are those times when everything comes together and it is easy to overcatch or overharvest. But most people that I have had the pleasure of fishing and hunting beside usually see the error of that and are more careful the next time around.
The PETA crowd would like to convice us that the biggest problem in the animal kingdom is humans and if things were left to a natural state we would return to some kind of Nirvana state. But we know mostly what they have been smoking anyway.

The fishing and hunting culture is, for the most part, respectful of the resource and spends more money on conservation that the average guy on the street. So, many of us like the pictures of successful harvests because we can identify with the skill, patience, and effort that goes into a successful harvest.

So, I refuse to be painted with the brush of irresponsible destroyer of game fish because I choose to take a picture for memories.

Finally, removed from all this. I wish I could find the picture of Ed Abbey who did a river trip with a group of my friends and caught a real monster rainbow trout that we had for dinner. I had a picture of him holding the trout up as a real trophy.

chuckie - 5-21-2014 at 08:02 AM

Back on the subject? Are any Tuna being caught from the Baja side? Like out of Mulege or San Lucas?

watizname - 5-21-2014 at 08:19 AM

Well, unless those two guys don't like fish, I can't see where they have enough to go to waste. Three or four good meals for family and friends. I know it's an archaic saying, but "party pooper" comes to mind. I guess some people are so unhappy they just have to spread it around. :cool:

Osprey - 5-21-2014 at 08:43 AM

Abbey made my day once when I lived in New Mexico and we shared a boat with two other fishermen. I didn't know much about him then -- he was just considered a looney ego freak Marxist. Anyway I caught a whopper brown, limited out while he caught and released a very small rainbow. He was a jerk. Almost fell out of the boat while he was making notes instead of fishing or paying attention to the movements of the small boat. Looking back I will say on that day he was more of a conservationist than I was cause I kept the brown and one other nice rainbow. He was 39 or 40 years old, I was 30 but I had fished a lot more than him around Utah and New Mexico.

weebray - 5-21-2014 at 10:57 AM

Looks like my original rib poking has provoked some thoughtful, albeit contentious at times, discussion. It has gone way beyond my intent but I'm not sorry. I have absolutely no problem with sport fishing for fun or for food. I do have a problem with the orgy of overfishing. It even extends to buying bait. The last panga trip I went on we bought way more live bait from the bait boat than we could ever use. Why? Because we had the cash and were afraid we would run out. At the end of the day most of it was released - dead. That would be fine if I were the only ahole out there doing it but I'm not. Overfishing a ALL levels is a problem here in Baja, even my most ardent detractors acknowledge that. There are limits but no one monitors them. We need to monitor them ourselves. I'm going to try a little harder. I still go fishing but to me it's more like golf now, relaxing entertainment. It makes no economic sense for me to fish for food. Every day the Bravo market has the freshest possible cleaned fillets for about 70 pesos a kilo. At the end of the day I'm sure a bunch of it gets thrown out. Enjoy your fishing trips, Release most of your catch and shop at your local market for food. And, to answer another critic, if you can't identify fresh fish you aren't a fisherman - eat beef.

weebray - 5-21-2014 at 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
"You make my point. I have the blood of hundreds of animals on my hands. I have hunted, fished, bought live animals to butcher and raised all manner of domesticated "meat" in my life."

just stop eating and do us all a favor......


I'm sorry, I just can't let this go without referring back to Robert Frost's quote about a wise man having something to say and a fool having to say something. You just provided a perfect example of someone with nothing to say - saying it.

monoloco - 5-21-2014 at 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by weebray
Looks like my original rib poking has provoked some thoughtful, albeit contentious at times, discussion. It has gone way beyond my intent but I'm not sorry. I have absolutely no problem with sport fishing for fun or for food. I do have a problem with the orgy of overfishing. It even extends to buying bait. The last panga trip I went on we bought way more live bait from the bait boat than we could ever use. Why? Because we had the cash and were afraid we would run out. At the end of the day most of it was released - dead. That would be fine if I were the only ahole out there doing it but I'm not. Overfishing a ALL levels is a problem here in Baja, even my most ardent detractors acknowledge that. There are limits but no one monitors them. We need to monitor them ourselves. I'm going to try a little harder. I still go fishing but to me it's more like golf now, relaxing entertainment. It makes no economic sense for me to fish for food. Every day the Bravo market has the freshest possible cleaned fillets for about 70 pesos a kilo. At the end of the day I'm sure a bunch of it gets thrown out. Enjoy your fishing trips, Release most of your catch and shop at your local market for food. And, to answer another critic, if you can't identify fresh fish you aren't a fisherman - eat beef.
Overfishing is a problem, but it's not coming from sports fishermen, sports fishermen adhere to the limits and are not what's depleting the resource. I sincerely doubt that many sport fishermen who spend considerable money on their sport and much energy to process and preserve their catch, then go to the trouble and expense to ship it home, would allow it to go to waste. I go out of my way to utilize every usable part of the fish including the head and the roe, so that nothing goes to waste. You are way off base suggesting that sports fishermen are wasteful. It just ain't so.

Waste not, want not

durrelllrobert - 5-21-2014 at 11:41 AM

Last time me and 2 buddies fished out of Loreto we spent most of the night cleaning, filleting and vacuum sealing a ice chest full of fillets (mostly YT) and feed the remains to the gulls. The tree guys in the room next to us had 2 chests full of fish that they "were to tired to clean" and they planned to just dump them on the side of the road on there way north. So we took their fish and stayed an extra day cleaning, filleting and vacuum sealing theirs. Now we had so many fillets that there was no longer room for sufficient ice in our chest. Fortunately a nice lady (who's also a BN) has large freezer in her garage and offered to let us use it so we froze all of the fillets overnight, picked them up the next AM and distributed the excess to all our hungry friends when we got back to Ensenada.

weebray - 5-21-2014 at 12:08 PM

Looks like you'll have plenty of bait for your future overfishing trips. And btw mono, you are just flat wrong, sorry. I need no further proof than durell's post about the druids that were going to dump the fish in a ditch. This happens way more than you think.

Cypress - 5-21-2014 at 01:01 PM

Get a life wee bray.:tumble: You're just trolling along. Just trolling along.:lol:

willardguy - 5-21-2014 at 01:08 PM

he's just taking a break from picketing the el triunfo oxxo!:lol: