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San Juanico cantina CLOSED again

brewer - 6-9-2014 at 11:34 AM

Just heard notice that the cantina is now closed, barbed wired off. Feds shut them down. I hope the campground is still open, I'm heading there in a couple weeks.

Anyone here know why?

elgatoloco - 6-9-2014 at 06:14 PM

http://www.scorpionbay.net/rfiform/contact_us.asp

Edit for contact info for the guy who may or may not run the joint?

:saint:

http://www.scorpionbay.net/index.php

My neighbors are headed down there in a week. Four families. 22 people. 11 surfers. Good times. :biggrin:

[Edited on 6-10-2014 by elgatoloco]

David K - 6-9-2014 at 06:17 PM

Most of the posts are pretty old Matt... I think since Carlos Fiesta died and Juan del Rio also stopped posting here, a lot has gone down hill???

brewer - 6-9-2014 at 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by elgatoloco
http://www.scorpionbay.net/rfiform/contact_us.asp

Edit for contact info for the guy who may or may not run the joint?

:saint:

http://www.scorpionbay.net/index.php

My neighbors are headed down there in a week. Four families. 22 people. 11 surfers. Good times. :biggrin:

Crazy cat, that is a lot of people, whoa! A friend who is down there reported the closure this morning.

[Edited on 6-10-2014 by elgatoloco]

[Edited on 6-10-2014 by brewer]

Ateo - 6-9-2014 at 06:43 PM

Go to Christi's Tacos or the Burro. Bummer to see the cantina close again. They have some legit food in there.

bajario - 6-10-2014 at 05:52 AM

I went in the summer of 2010 and 2012. I remember it being closed both times. Camping was available though. Burro worked just fine for grub and grog. I'm headed back the end of Julio.

mtgoat666 - 6-10-2014 at 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by Ateo
Go to Christi's Tacos or the Burro. Bummer to see the cantina close again. They have some legit food in there.

Glad to hear the food is legitimate. Not a fan of illegitimate food.

Petey - 6-14-2014 at 07:26 PM

Cantina is a bit more than closed.

[Edited on 6-15-2014 by Petey]

[Edited on 6-15-2014 by Petey]

Cantina.jpg - 26kB

Tomas Tierra - 6-15-2014 at 12:24 PM

I sure hope the restrooms are still open for all the bluff campers!
Otherwise, I fear an early season bloom of the white desert lily

Ateo - 6-15-2014 at 12:30 PM

Did someone burn it (palapa) down again? I helped put a fire out there back in 2010 or 2011. We were sitting on the balcony of our house drinking beers and saw the fire break out. We grabbed a hose and fire extinguisher and drove over there. After it was put out I wondered if I had just gotten in the way of an arsonist. So much drama involved over the campgrounds, I figured next time I'd just watch it burn.

woody with a view - 6-15-2014 at 01:35 PM

we saw 75+ boards heading south while we drove home yesterday.

school must be out again..... :barf:

Petey - 6-16-2014 at 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by Ateo
Did someone burn it (palapa) down again? I helped put a fire out there back in 2010 or 2011. We were sitting on the balcony of our house drinking beers and saw the fire break out. We grabbed a hose and fire extinguisher and drove over there. After it was put out I wondered if I had just gotten in the way of an arsonist. So much drama involved over the campgrounds, I figured next time I'd just watch it burn.

No this time somebody used a dump truck with a steel cable to yank the main concrete support pillar down in the middle of the night.

BooJumMan - 6-16-2014 at 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
we saw 75+ boards heading south while we drove home yesterday.

school must be out again..... :barf:

Barf is right.

Word is out that Baja is "safe" again... Stoked for the people who will get more business from surf tourism driving the coast, but not that stoked on the surfers who don't have any clue on Baja etiquette

motoged - 6-16-2014 at 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by BooJumMan
..... not that stoked on the surfers who don't have any clue on Baja etiquette

Yeah....and no pulling down palapas between sets, eh !?

Lee - 6-16-2014 at 03:00 PM

Why would an arsonist torch the cantina and what's up with the damage done? Must have missed that post.

woody with a view - 6-16-2014 at 03:20 PM

sean Collins was part of a group that wanted to sell lots and close access to the point/campers. the cantina has a 25 year lease that sc's crew is trying to break. looks like they did it.

these are the same kooks who sold out and promoted every swell via surfline.com and now want to own the point(s) and keep out the masses......

I'm sure there is more to it, but you get the idea.

[Edited on 6-16-2014 by woody with a view]

[Edited on 6-17-2014 by woody with a view]

Petey - 6-16-2014 at 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by woody with a view
sean Collins is/was part of a group that wanted to sell lots and close access to the point/campers. the cantina has a 25 year lease that sc's crew is trying to break. looks like they did it.

these are the same kooks who sold out and promoted every swell via surfline.com and now want to own the point(s) and keep out the masses......

I'm sure there is more to it, but you get the idea.

[Edited on 6-16-2014 by woody with a view]

Collins is dead, btw.

woody with a view - 6-16-2014 at 06:35 PM

I thought the is/was made my point.

i'll edit.

Scorpion Bay Cantina Torn Down

marial - 6-16-2014 at 08:24 PM

We showed up to Scorpion Bay around June 8th , 2014, to find the cantina closed off with barbed wire, Federales standing guard, and "private property signs". We heard from the other campers that men came in the middle of the night to put up the barbed wire. They also tried to pull down the cantina with a truck but did not succeed. Some of the campers thought they saw the men bring gasoline so the campers left in case there was a fire.

A few nights later, the dump truck and men returned, but with chain saws this time. They used the chain saws to cut each supporting beam till each beam was just a thread. Then the dump truck pulled the cantina down with a cable. The men laughed and cheered at the demolished structure.

The bathrooms no longer work (no power so no water.) People are still camping on the bluffs. But don't expect internet or prepared meals.

[Edited on 6-17-2014 by marial]

[Edited on 6-17-2014 by marial]

Cappy - 6-16-2014 at 08:26 PM

DAMMMMM

marial - 6-16-2014 at 09:08 PM

Trying to post picture...

ehall - 6-16-2014 at 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by marial
Trying to post picture...

Use a photo hosting site like photobucket or picasa

elgatoloco - 6-16-2014 at 10:37 PM

NOTICE

Wednesday, June 11, 2014

Unfortunately, there has been a property invasion at the camp ground and the Cantina was taken over and demolished. At the moment the flush toilets are not working, the internet is not operational and there is no electricity. Manuel and Juan Jose are there taking care of the area. The palapas are open and the house and suite are open. We are setting up the water truck to dispense water. Bring your shower bag. God willing, this will get sorted out too.

Ruben

http://www.scorpionbay.net/index.php

David K - 6-16-2014 at 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by ehall

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Originally posted by marial
Trying to post picture...

Use a photo hosting site like photobucket or picasa

There are many photo hosting sites, Photobucket.com is one used by many here, it is free for basic membership and very cheap for advanced.

1) Create an album for your trip or subject on Photobucket.

2) Click Upload (top center) to transfer photos from your PC folder to your Photobucket album.

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4) Select 800 (full size) or 640 (large size) for Nomad posting...

100x75 is the Avatar size, fyi.

5) Click SAVE!

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marial - 6-17-2014 at 06:59 AM

Photos, I hope

http://s112.photobucket.com/user/marial-baja/media/cantina%2...

http://s112.photobucket.com/user/marial-baja/media/cantina%2...

mtgoat666 - 6-17-2014 at 07:23 AM

Greed often ruin the good things, eh?

Pretty soon the Californian owners will put up fences, build their little vacation pads out of sustainable materials, and entertain their insufferable friends from OC. Soon their guests will be posting questions on this board, like "where can I buy organic veggies and fair trade coffee and in san juanico?"

Karmic retribution will be the house robberies that liberate their fancy boards, ATVs and flat screen TVs.

In 20 years the house owners will be on this board complaining about some new mega resort that will ruin san juanico, not self aware enough to realize that the resort will be the second ruining, and they were the first.

Don't ya jus love em?

durrelllrobert - 6-17-2014 at 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Greed often ruin the good things, eh?

Pretty soon the Californian owners will put up fences, build their little vacation pads out of sustainable materials, and entertain their insufferable friends from OC. Soon their guests will be posting questions on this board, like "where can I buy organic veggies and fair trade coffee and in san juanico?"

Karmic retribution will be the house robberies that liberate their fancy boards, ATVs and flat screen TVs.

In 20 years the house owners will be on this board complaining about some new mega resort that will ruin san juanico, not self aware enough to realize that the resort will be the second ruining, and they were the first.

[Edited on 6-17-2014 by durrelllrobert]

tiotomasbcs - 6-17-2014 at 12:53 PM

But, the Surf was sooo Good!! credit to Wilbur Kookmeyer. Have to agree with Goat and the Woodman. Que lastima. Tio

chippy - 6-17-2014 at 01:06 PM

All this for a gutless wave that might break twice a year :?:

That place has always been a kook magnet. Let em have it.

elgatoloco - 6-17-2014 at 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tiotomasbcs
But, the Surf was sooo Good!! credit to Wilbur Kookmeyer. Have to agree with Goat and the Woodman. Que lastima. Tio

http://www.wilbur-kookmeyer.com/

Ateo - 6-17-2014 at 05:22 PM

here's a better baja spot:

tiotomasbcs - 6-17-2014 at 05:29 PM

Ateo, don;t you get it? Condos and etc. Thanks gato for the Kookmeyer website! Maybe Ateo needs a history lesson?! Chippy is write/right--somewhere in the southern hemisphere/ not here close to LA!! Tio

Ateo - 6-17-2014 at 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by tiotomasbcs
Ateo, don;t you get it? Condos and etc. Thanks gato for the Kookmeyer website! Maybe Ateo needs a history lesson?! Chippy is write/right--somewhere in the southern hemisphere/ not here close to LA!! Tio

What are you talking about? You're not making sense. Did I say something? Please elaborate.

Lots of people!

bajachris - 6-17-2014 at 08:27 PM

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My neighbors are headed down there in a week. Four families. 22 people. 11 surfers. Good times. :biggrin:

[Edited on 6-10-2014 by elgatoloco]

Honestly I think people that head to Baja with 22 people and 11 surfers ruin Baja. Are you affraid to be alone? Baja is best with solitude. People shudder when a group like that shows up! :no:

bajario - 6-17-2014 at 09:11 PM

" Honestly I think people that head to Baja with 22 people and 11 surfers ruin Baja. Are you affraid to be alone? Baja is best with solitude. People shudder when a group like that shows up"

Good thing there will only be 13 of us next month with maybe two surfers. Not afraid to be alone but enjoy relaxing with family and friends in settings other than a backyard BBQ.

elgatoloco - 6-17-2014 at 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by bajachris
My neighbors are headed down there in a week. Four families. 22 people. 11 surfers. Good times. :biggrin:

[Edited on 6-10-2014 by elgatoloco]

Honestly I think people that head to Baja with 22 people and 11 surfers ruin Baja. Are you affraid to be alone? Baja is best with solitude. People shudder when a group like that shows up! :no:

Good news is that they are not the windansea buttholes. Just some families heading out for summer vacation. All well behaved and well versed in etiquette. Remember, there will always be another wave.............. :dudette:

tecatero - 6-18-2014 at 05:06 AM

I wouldn't mind a nice vacay pad on the point.............Its inevitable to happen, Im very surprised we have been able to camp as long as we have here.......I hate to admit it, but its 2014, cash talks and us gringos camping here with million dollar views spending $100 a week doesn't seem like its doing much for San Juanico, but oh well, there are lots of places on the planet to see

bajachris - 6-18-2014 at 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by tecatero.......I hate to admit it, but its 2014, cash talks and us gringos camping here with million dollar views spending $100 a week doesn't seem like its doing much for San Juanico,

I think this is how the Mexicans look at it, economically the campo is an underutilized resource. Development will bring in big $ for the community. If Ruben can find a way to negotiate for both, better yet.

And if you can't count the members of your group on one hand, you have too many people with you and are at risk of over taxing the limited resources we all have to share down there. If you want to travel with a large group that is what Disneyland is for.

willardguy - 6-18-2014 at 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by elgatoloco

Quote:

Originally posted by tiotomasbcs
But, the Surf was sooo Good!! credit to Wilbur Kookmeyer. Have to agree with Goat and the Woodman. Que lastima. Tio

http://www.wilbur-kookmeyer.com/

I remember his dad! :lol:

woody with a view - 6-18-2014 at 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by bajachris

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easy there, Chris! just cuz you got your spots all set up at the busiest spots around doesn't mean you can start calling the shots. A LOT of us have been going into SA & SJ since the early 80's and have watched them turn into a surf ghetto..... we all want solitude but you have staked your claim at the 2 busiest spots, depending on the time of year.

just sayin.....

elgatoloco - 6-18-2014 at 11:27 AM

SNAP! :lol:

elgatoloco - 6-18-2014 at 01:27 PM

Most recent Surfers Journal 23.3 has a nice story about Murphy. Good read. Check it out.

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Originally posted by willardguy

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Originally posted by elgatoloco

Quote:

Originally posted by tiotomasbcs
But, the Surf was sooo Good!! credit to Wilbur Kookmeyer. Have to agree with Goat and the Woodman. Que lastima. Tio

http://www.wilbur-kookmeyer.com/

I remember his dad! :lol:

tiotomasbcs - 6-18-2014 at 04:39 PM

Murph the Surf?! I look up from this and see him on a Malibu poster called Call to the Wall here in mi casa. Rick Griffin. Surfing eyeball was?? Help. Loved the Wilbur travels in Baja--have them copied out on print ..... everything possible went wrong but...the Surf was sooo good! Me thinks we all would like to go back 20 years and enjoy a session, verdad? Tio

woody with a view - 6-18-2014 at 05:49 PM

surfing eyeball is called God's Eye and is permanently inked onto my shoulder!

motoged - 6-18-2014 at 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
surfing eyeball is called God's Eye and is permanently inked onto my shoulder!

Woody,
Now that's an ugly eye.....

....but the cure could only be developed by a surfer:

http://metro.co.uk/2014/04/11/surfer-uses-massive-wave-to-perform-diy-surgery-on-his-eyeball-4696309/

I trust your tat looks a bit better...

elgatoloco - 6-18-2014 at 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tiotomasbcs
Murph the Surf?! I look up from this and see him on a Malibu poster called Call to the Wall here in mi casa. Rick Griffin. Surfing eyeball was?? Help. Loved the Wilbur travels in Baja--have them copied out on print ..... everything possible went wrong but...the Surf was sooo good! Me thinks we all would like to go back 20 years and enjoy a session, verdad? Tio

Nice.
My wife has many framed concert handbills from her days hanging and working at the Avalon Ballroom for Chet Helms. Many of them were done by Rick Griffin. Highly recommend the article in TSJ.

willardguy - 6-18-2014 at 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by elgatoloco

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Nice.
My wife has many framed concert handbills from her days hanging and working at the Avalon Ballroom for Chet Helms. Many of them were done by Rick Griffin. Highly recommend the article in TSJ.

not to mention all the album sleeve art and the work on the eagles "on the border" album cover

woody with a view - 6-18-2014 at 11:30 PM

god's eye!

th.jpg - 38kB

motoged - 6-19-2014 at 01:13 AM

Dude, that's sick :cool:

tiotomasbcs - 6-19-2014 at 11:28 AM

Wilbur's "True Baja Stories" are fantastic! Non surfers and Kooks --Must see/read. Even my old Baja Stories aren't this good and better illustrations!! Thanks, Amigos. Tomas

Lee - 6-19-2014 at 01:02 PM

Dank. Chronic, too.

woody with a view - 6-19-2014 at 01:42 PM

Pacific Vibrations?

BajaNomad - 8-31-2014 at 12:51 PM

Posted to the "Friends of Scorpion Bay Campground and Cantina" Facebook Group by Ruben Andrews:

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To see who is behind the years of problems at the cantina, see:
http://www.scorpionbay.info

FB group is here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/115118945166528/

ehall - 8-31-2014 at 01:35 PM

Wow, real estate agents and contractors. Doesn't take a genius to figure out what they are up to.

woody with a view - 8-31-2014 at 06:07 PM

Sean Collins invented surf forecasting to the masses. he made millions and want(ed) to keep those same masses from encroaching on a spot he had his eyes on. burn out the legal leasee so you can sell off the dirt to the highest bidder?

i'm glad he didn't see his nefarious plan come to fruition......

[Edited on 9-1-2014 by woody with a view]

mtgoat666 - 8-31-2014 at 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
Sean Collins invented surf forecasting to the masses. he made millions and want(ed) to keep those same masses from encroaching on a spot he had his eyes on. burn out the legal leasee so you can sell off the dirt to the highest bidder?

i'm glad he didn't see his nefarious plan come to fruition......

[Edited on 9-1-2014 by woody with a view]

Diickheads from San Diego and the OC flocking everything up. The list of names is revealing. flock them. They will get theirs. Karma eventually evens the score.