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SD plates - no more red-light or speed camera tickets

dasubergeek - 6-23-2014 at 02:59 PM

Another reason for you permanent ex-pats to use South Dakota for your plates... effective July 1, thanks to a new law signed by Governor Daugaard, the South Dakota DMV is no longer allowed to share contact information between states when it involves a speed or red-light camera. They can take all the pretty pictures of you they like.

(Before anyone jumps down my throat about safety, studies have shown that while light-running and speeding tend to decrease, rear-end accidents tend to increase... not to mention that in most places, traffic infractions have to be witnessed by an actual sworn LEO before fines can be assessed.)

http://legis.sd.gov/docs/legsession/2014/Bills/HB1122ENR.pdf

mtgoat666 - 6-23-2014 at 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by dasubergeek
Another reason for you permanent ex-pats to use South Dakota for your plates... effective July 1, thanks to a new law signed by Governor Daugaard, the South Dakota DMV is no longer allowed to share contact information between states when it involves a speed or red-light camera. They can take all the pretty pictures of you they like.

(Before anyone jumps down my throat about safety, studies have shown that while light-running and speeding tend to decrease, rear-end accidents tend to increase... not to mention that in most places, traffic infractions have to be witnessed by an actual sworn LEO before fines can be assessed.)

http://legis.sd.gov/docs/legsession/2014/Bills/HB1122ENR.pdf


i am shocked at the amount of red light running i see while driving about,... a rear end collision is more survivable than a t bone collision.
seems like benefits of camera ticket operations outweigh the negatives.

bajabuddha - 6-23-2014 at 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
i am shocked at the amount of red light running i see while driving about,... a rear end collision is more survivable than a t bone collision.
seems like benefits of camera ticket operations outweigh the negatives.


I agree with you goat, but so would a 2-second delay between 'RED' and 'GREEN'. There's not a soul in here who hasn't run a little-bit-PINK light in their lifetime, with a generous 'whew' afterward.

The auto-cameras generate revenue while decreasing expense of officer-patrols. Main thing is $$. Rear-enders are also a wreck, and cause injuries and damage.

If only South Dakota wasn't so damned far north..... :lol:

durrelllrobert - 6-23-2014 at 03:35 PM

Didn't need another reason but God bless South Dakota, land of the free and the sane.

bajaguy - 6-23-2014 at 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
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Originally posted by dasubergeek
Another reason for you permanent ex-pats to use South Dakota for your plates... effective July 1, thanks to a new law signed by Governor Daugaard, the South Dakota DMV is no longer allowed to share contact information between states when it involves a speed or red-light camera. They can take all the pretty pictures of you they like.

(Before anyone jumps down my throat about safety, studies have shown that while light-running and speeding tend to decrease, rear-end accidents tend to increase... not to mention that in most places, traffic infractions have to be witnessed by an actual sworn LEO before fines can be assessed.)

http://legis.sd.gov/docs/legsession/2014/Bills/HB1122ENR.pdf


i am shocked at the amount of red light running i see while driving about,... a rear end collision is more survivable than a t bone collision.
seems like benefits of camera ticket operations outweigh the negatives.





Well, apparently traffic engineers, law enforcement and local government agencies and the courts disagree.....more and more jurisdictions are doing away with the cameras.

Rear end collisions, lawsuits & court cases that the jurisdictions are losing because many jurisdictions were found to have non-sworn law enforcement reviewing the films and the jurisdictions must pay a set fee to the camera companies revenue even if the citation is dismissed............all in all, not cost effective and collision results were not substantially reduced.

http://fox5sandiego.com/2013/10/15/poway-bans-red-light-came...

http://www.pomeradonews.com/2013/03/08/poway-to-stop-red-lig...

http://www.sgvtribune.com/general-news/20140121/red-light-ca...

BajaDanD - 6-23-2014 at 08:10 PM

they took them out where I live because the company who ran the cameras were the only ones making any money and accidents did not decrease any. also people would just ignore the tickets. The city had 90 days to serve by hand a copy of the ticket. to make it valid. cost too much money to do that and people were fighting about constitutional rights and stuff.

bajario - 6-23-2014 at 08:36 PM

I know I turned right on a red light in Solana Beach a few weeks back and was flashed by the camera. I knew to stop completely as my wife got a camera ticket at the same right turn. But I didn't, guilty as charged, if a ticket ever comes. Haven't seen it, yet. Hopefully they just left the flash on as a scare tactic. It's working if so.

dasubergeek - 6-24-2014 at 12:45 PM

If you do get one, you can safely ignore it.

CortezBlue - 6-24-2014 at 05:36 PM

In AZ we got to the point that we stopped paying the tickets. They had to issue a ticket that was delivered by process servers. No one answered their door and after 90 or 120 days, I forget, it was removed.

I had one that I never paid and the server came to my house on Thanksgiving and when we didn't answer he parked at the end of my driveway for quite some time.

Within 6 months most of the Photo Radar was dead in the state and in many city's.

[Edited on 6-25-2014 by CortezBlue]

Ateo - 6-24-2014 at 05:40 PM

I have 2 red light cameras within 1/4 mile of my house and they are both one light away from each other! Thye're still turned on. My wife rolled threw a right hand turn at .00001 mph and they nailed her for $500. I saw the video. She was barely moving.

bajaguy - 6-24-2014 at 06:00 PM

Cortez..........

Do you know if those unpaid citations go to warrant and/or to DMV to place a hold on your drivers license or vehicle registration renewal????
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Originally posted by CortezBlue
In AZ we got to the point that we stopped paying the tickets. They had to issue a ticket that was delivered by process servers. No one answered their door and after 90 or 120 days, I forget, it was removed.

I had one that I never paid and the server came to my house on Thanksgiving and when we didn't answer he parked at the end of my driveway for quite some time.

Within 6 months most of the Photo Radar was dead in the state and in many city's.

[Edited on 6-25-2014 by CortezBlue]

bajalearner - 6-24-2014 at 06:35 PM

I heard several months ago that the photo system is under re-construction and will re-appear in a new and more legal way. I think it is certain that it will because it is big dollars to the private company.

dasubergeek - 6-25-2014 at 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by bajalearner
I heard several months ago that the photo system is under re-construction and will re-appear in a new and more legal way. I think it is certain that it will because it is big dollars to the private company.


In Orange County, the appeals court threw out the tickets because the desk jockey cop who showed up with the laptop with the tickets couldn't give details on the maintenance of the specific camera in question and couldn't answer technical questions.

They tried... the City of Santa Ana had the decision unpublished, which means it isn't available to search via FindLaw or Lexis-Nexis. But the Internet is a vast and vengeful land, and the case number and details are splattered all over it.

In Los Angeles, the courts have refused to enforce it because of the conflict of interest when a private company has financial incentive to issue tickets.

bacquito - 6-25-2014 at 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
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Originally posted by dasubergeek
Another reason for you permanent ex-pats to use South Dakota for your plates... effective July 1, thanks to a new law signed by Governor Daugaard, the South Dakota DMV is no longer allowed to share contact information between states when it involves a speed or red-light camera. They can take all the pretty pictures of you they like.

(Before anyone jumps down my throat about safety, studies have shown that while light-running and speeding tend to decrease, rear-end accidents tend to increase... not to mention that in most places, traffic infractions have to be witnessed by an actual sworn LEO before fines can be assessed.)

http://legis.sd.gov/docs/legsession/2014/Bills/HB1122ENR.pdf


i am shocked at the amount of red light running i see while driving about,... a rear end collision is more survivable than a t bone collision.
seems like benefits of camera ticket operations outweigh the negatives.


I disagree, I think the use of cameras promote "peddle to the metal" attitude to beat a sigal which can cause a t bone collision or hit the breaks which can cause a rear end collision.