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NEW PEMEX IN CATAVIÑA

Udo - 6-29-2014 at 04:18 PM

I drove by there a few days ago 06/20/2014, and the station was not quite open yet.
It did not look like they were planning on having a boomtown in selling gas with only one pump, and NO large highway sign.







J.P. - 6-29-2014 at 04:45 PM

They have had a pump in that same spot for at least10 years , although that looks like a new pump doesnt it.

Bob and Susan - 6-29-2014 at 04:50 PM

way back I bought gas at that pump...no more

a few years ago they replaced the pump and upgraded the sign but it never opened

Bajaboy - 6-29-2014 at 04:53 PM

old news for sure...been there for many years...

willardguy - 6-29-2014 at 04:58 PM

the difference is now its in Don Rafa's front yard ;)

Bajahowodd - 6-29-2014 at 05:02 PM

I've said it before. There is no profit in pumping gas off the grid by using generator power, unless Pemex itself would give a break on the wholesale cost of the gas.

There was long ago an issue about the distance between stations in this region. But we have come to rely on a fill up at the Los Pinos station allowing us to get all the way to GN with fuel to spare.

And, as has been previously stated, that pump has been there for years.

willardguy - 6-29-2014 at 05:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I've said it before. There is no profit in pumping gas off the grid by using generator power, unless Pemex itself would give a break on the wholesale cost of the gas.

There was long ago an issue about the distance between stations in this region. But we have come to rely on a fill up at the Los Pinos station allowing us to get all the way to GN with fuel to spare.

And, as has been previously stated, that pump has been there for years.
again, it works perfectly in gonzaga bay, you pull up, start the generator, pump your gas and shut down the generator. where's the problem?????

David K - 6-29-2014 at 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
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There was long ago an issue about the distance between stations in this region. But we have come to rely on a fill up at the Los Pinos station allowing us to get all the way to GN with fuel to spare.


Just a request to all Nomads and lurkers:

Please support Antonio in El Rosario and top off at Baja Cactus Pemex... Los Pinos does quite well selling tomatoes, and they don't provide ambulance service or all the other good work Antonio does! Thank you for considering this assistance to a fellow Nomad and goodwill ambassador in Baja.

villafontana - 6-29-2014 at 05:33 PM

Amen to that request David K!!

Udo - 6-29-2014 at 05:42 PM

We always do just that DK. In the Prius, I can make it on less than 5 gallons from mid OC to Baja Cactus.
This time, on the way back, We were still on the same gas from Baja Cactus) we filled up in Jesus Maria, and made it back to Orange County on the same tank!

chuckie - 6-29-2014 at 05:43 PM

Yup, what DK said....

Whale-ista - 6-29-2014 at 06:42 PM

I use Cactus every trip. (Nice bathrooms as well as what else was posted.)

villafontana - 6-29-2014 at 07:09 PM

Yooooooo whaleista....you still in BCS?? How ya been?

mulegemichael - 6-29-2014 at 07:49 PM

at the pump shown, as you drive in, a guy pulls up alongside you with a 55 gallon drum in the back of his pickup and gravity feeds 15 gallons into your tank then rings it up on the pump....really?....yer kidding, right?.....yeah...i am.

elgatoloco - 6-29-2014 at 08:18 PM

I remember one of the first times I pulled into Catavina with the idea to top off tank way back when and it was late afternoon. The guy at the pump said they were out of gas and next breath said they had rooms available at hotel. I thought that was a bit odd, the timing. I just told him that we planned to camp out in the desert for the night and he said, "ok, do you want to me fill it up?" :lol:

Good times.

bajabound2005 - 6-29-2014 at 10:03 PM

when you see the OXXO sign, then there will be a Pemex there.

villafontana - 6-29-2014 at 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
when you see the OXXO sign, then there will be a Pemex there.


Hahaha..indeed!! Soon Cataviña, soon::lol::lol::lol:

Martyman - 6-30-2014 at 09:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I've said it before. There is no profit in pumping gas off the grid by using generator power, unless Pemex itself would give a break on the wholesale cost of the gas.

There was long ago an issue about the distance between stations in this region. But we have come to rely on a fill up at the Los Pinos station allowing us to get all the way to GN with fuel to spare.

And, as has been previously stated, that pump has been there for years.


Thanks for the hot tip. I'll drive past the rude attendants at Baja cactus from now on.

Bajahowodd - 6-30-2014 at 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by Martyman
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I've said it before. There is no profit in pumping gas off the grid by using generator power, unless Pemex itself would give a break on the wholesale cost of the gas.

There was long ago an issue about the distance between stations in this region. But we have come to rely on a fill up at the Los Pinos station allowing us to get all the way to GN with fuel to spare.

And, as has been previously stated, that pump has been there for years.


Thanks for the hot tip. I'll drive past the rude attendants at Baja cactus from now on.


DK's post notwithstanding, the simple fact is that Antonio lives in Tijuana. So unless he just happens to be around a few times a month, I really don't see what he's going to do for anyone.

And YES! I gave up getting gas at his Pemex years ago. The straw that broke the camel's back was a shift change in the middle of the day, where customers had to stand around with their hand on their culos for what seemed like 20 minutes. Only after they accomplished the shift change, an employee walked out to me, and didn't start pumping gas, but rather wanted to sell me a bottle of gas additive. That was it!

In either direction, Los Pinos works for me. And they have a well stocked cooler, too.

David K - 6-30-2014 at 07:58 PM

Never had a rude attendant at El Rosario or one that tried to sell me additive. I have been buying gas there since 1974. I know Antonio is a great human, and maybe there are some people who want to dwell on negatives and not see the huge effort 'BajaCactus' does to help people, all people.

Antonio lives in El Rosario, has for a while now, but does go to Tijuana and San Diego often, as business needs dictate.

I had tomatoes with my dinner tonight, so I support Los Pinos that way!

Bajahowodd - 7-1-2014 at 04:58 PM

I do not doubt that Antonio is a really nice guy.

That said, They did try to sell me additive after an almost twenty minute wait while they had a shift change.

What I did not mention, was that while waiting, I decided to go to the restroom.

As I approached, an employee jumped out in front of me to mop the floor of that crappy restroom. After I was finished, he asked for a tip. Cannot figure out why he wanted a tip when I did all the work associated with bathroom duties.

So, if Antonio is such a great guy, why are his employees such beggars? Maybe he doesn't pay them enough. Just a thought.

David K - 7-1-2014 at 06:56 PM

I am not saying you are making it up, just that in hundreds of visits it hasn't happened to me. It is wrong, none-the-less and Antonio has posted here clearly that any time you have been wronged by his staff, please contact him asap with the date and time of day (a name would be helpful). All his staff wear uniforms with their name. Cameras see all activity at the station and motel parking area/ lobby. Antonio can review the tapes and take action.

The bathrooms were totally remodeled and he has (had) hired a person solely to clean them. There is a nice bathroom behind the door to the left of the motel front desk, and Antonio has invited Nomads to use it if there are issues with the gas station bathrooms... such as long lines...

Antonio pays higher than the standard rate for such work to keep good staff. However, people will sometimes take advantage of his kindness and passing tourists. That is why Antonio wants you to contact him so he can make good any problems.

His email is provided on his web site: http://bajacactus.com/

If serious, use the USA phone number to get a message to him or speak with him if he is at the motel. (619) 694-1082

dtbushpilot - 7-2-2014 at 04:42 AM

I don't use the El Rosario Pemex any more either. I'm not going to say why, I don't want to have to defend myself....

gallesram - 7-2-2014 at 08:51 AM

Weird; I stop there every time I head south and have never had any issue. Bathrooms are clean, attendants are fine, etc. We stop after staying overnight at Jardines and it's always early (7:00 am; that's early for us). We're not there to make friends or have lengthy conversation, just get gas, use the bathroom & keep going.

David K - 7-2-2014 at 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by gallesram
Weird; I stop there every time I head south and have never had any issue. Bathrooms are clean, attendants are fine, etc. We stop after staying overnight at Jardines and it's always early (7:00 am; that's early for us). We're not there to make friends or have lengthy conversation, just get gas, use the bathroom & keep going.


Baja Angel and I always give businesses a second chance, because everyone can have a bad day. This applies mostly to restaurants, but any business in Baja can go from good to bad and can get good again. It is tough to survive there, and someone (like Antonio) who has been such a good friend to ALL travelers (and could save your life someday with his ambulance service) deserves more than one chance if an employee screwed up.

Sure he is a friend, so I try harder to be in his corner when he isn't here... and I do that for any friend. We all make mistakes, but how empowering is it to forgive, instead to ignore?

elgatoloco - 7-2-2014 at 09:12 AM

We usually blow by there because the lines are too long.

Viva 500 miles of fuel!

YMMV

On the last whale trip that we guided we stopped northbound so the ladies did not have to pee squatting in the desert and they all reported good things about the restrooms. :dudette:

Los Pinos does have an ATM, which can be handy.

Baja Cactus

bajaguy - 7-2-2014 at 09:26 AM

I stop by for gas/Diesel every trip and also leave a cash donation for the ambulance.......what is interesting is that a couple of weeks later I get mailed a receipt for the donation.

It would be easy to stop in San Quentin, stay at Jardines and get gas at Los Pinos however I appreciate what Antonio is doing with the Desert Hawks ambulance service and his operating the PEMEX and motel. He is invested in his community and I gladly will continue to support him and his operations.

willardguy - 7-2-2014 at 10:11 AM

operating a pemex off grid is as easy as flipping a generator on and off. BUT, the only way a catavina pemex will work is if Don Rafa sells only to the traveler and not to the gentleman with the drums emptying the tank, as it was in the past.

toneart - 7-2-2014 at 11:13 AM

I admire DK's loyalty to Antonio! He deserves it. Antonio is a real humanitarian He also runs a good hotel and the gas station employees have always been good (and honest) with me. Of course, every business can have a bad apple or a bad day. That has never been my experience though. Perhaps, if you get a "rude" attendant, you could try dropping Antonio's name. I bet he would straighten up in a hurry.

Antonio really helped me a few years ago when I got horribly sick while staying in the BajaCactus Hotel.

The only time I was really inconvenienced there was when the pickup guys are in front of me filling up their 55 gallon drums for resale. That was just the luck of the draw. I doubt if Antonio would or should prohibit them from doing that.

El Rosario is the right distance and time of day to arrive from either direction. I always meet Nomads there too. :yes:

StuckSucks - 7-2-2014 at 02:17 PM

Years ago, the generator method worked in Puertocitos at an actual Pemex station. You got the guy out of the bar across the street, he'd come over, start the generator, pump gas, then return to the bar. This is back when the Puertocitos Road from San Felipe ran past the airport and down the coast (zero pavement, the current "old road").

Other gas dispensing methods:

willardguy - 7-2-2014 at 02:38 PM

Roman seems to do just fine using a generator at the gonzaga pemex, no problemo

Bajahowodd - 7-2-2014 at 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by David K
I am not saying you are making it up, just that in hundreds of visits it hasn't happened to me. It is wrong, none-the-less and Antonio has posted here clearly that any time you have been wronged by his staff, please contact him asap with the date and time of day (a name would be helpful). All his staff wear uniforms with their name. Cameras see all activity at the station and motel parking area/ lobby. Antonio can review the tapes and take action.

The bathrooms were totally remodeled and he has (had) hired a person solely to clean them. There is a nice bathroom behind the door to the left of the motel front desk, and Antonio has invited Nomads to use it if there are issues with the gas station bathrooms... such as long lines...

Antonio pays higher than the standard rate for such work to keep good staff. However, people will sometimes take advantage of his kindness and passing tourists. That is why Antonio wants you to contact him so he can make good any problems.

His email is provided on his web site: http://bajacactus.com/

If serious, use the USA phone number to get a message to him or speak with him if he is at the motel. (619) 694-1082


By merely stating I'm not making it up tells me how you feel.

I have to admit that after many stops in El Rosario, we became to feel uncomfortable with the vibe of the town.

The only stop we ever make these days is at Ed's Bajas Best for breakfast. Nice comfy place. Good food, and Ed is fun to talk with.

That all said, for the life of me, I do not know why you attached that link to Baja Cactus, inasmuch as they have never completed anything but that page. There is absolutely no info on the place, and there is no e-mail.

I can e-mail Jardines any time I want. And they are very responsive.

And, isn't that phone number you reference, a Tijuana number?

UnoMas - 7-2-2014 at 05:24 PM

I always get my fuel in El Rosario and never had any problem with the attendants. They show you that the pump is zeroed, never have asked for a tip or been rude. They also bring ice for my cooler when asked if they have it. Yes I tip them because I always get great service there and don't ever feel like I am getting ripped off like many other Pemex stations in Baja. Antonio is a good man and tries hard to earn our trust. He is a Nomad and deserves our support IMO.

villafontana - 7-3-2014 at 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
I am not saying you are making it up, just that in hundreds of visits it hasn't happened to me. It is wrong, none-the-less and Antonio has posted here clearly that any time you have been wronged by his staff, please contact him asap with the date and time of day (a name would be helpful). All his staff wear uniforms with their name. Cameras see all activity at the station and motel parking area/ lobby. Antonio can review the tapes and take action.

The bathrooms were totally remodeled and he has (had) hired a person solely to clean them. There is a nice bathroom behind the door to the left of the motel front desk, and Antonio has invited Nomads to use it if there are issues with the gas station bathrooms... such as long lines...

Antonio pays higher than the standard rate for such work to keep good staff. However, people will sometimes take advantage of his kindness and passing tourists. That is why Antonio wants you to contact him so he can make good any problems.

His email is provided on his web site: http://bajacactus.com/

If serious, use the USA phone number to get a message to him or speak with him if he is at the motel. (619) 694-1082


By merely stating I'm not making it up tells me how you feel.

I have to admit that after many stops in El Rosario, we became to feel uncomfortable with the vibe of the town.

The only stop we ever make these days is at Ed's Bajas Best for breakfast. Nice comfy place. Good food, and Ed is fun to talk with.

That all said, for the life of me, I do not know why you attached that link to Baja Cactus, inasmuch as they have never completed anything but that page. There is absolutely no info on the place, and there is no e-mail.

I can e-mail Jardines any time I want. And they are very responsive.

And, isn't that phone number you reference, a Tijuana number?


Amen to that. Last week i was looking for a place to stay in El Rosario, so i type El Rosario on facebook and i got this Baja Cactus profile. So i added it, they added me, i ask them for a motel or hotel there (not knowing Baja Cactus IS a motel), they saw my message, and never got a reply. I dunno if Antonio manage that facebook profile or not, but if u ask for info and u dont get none, NO CUSTOMER FOR YOU. After that, i rather stay in San Quintin and fill gas there instead of Antonio's businesses.

David K - 7-3-2014 at 12:39 PM

Wow... the phone number is a 619 area code. That is San Diego, and I don't post false data, my goal is to assist other, positive attitude travelers who are looking for good value and interesting places.

The phone number or the ones in the link I posted (there are numbers there, regardless if Antonio has ever added anything else to the page), is the ONLY sure way to get a reservation... Stated numerous times. The place fills up because it is just that good, so somebody has done a good job?

Facebook to make a reservation, seriously? Antonio may get on there once in a great while to add a photo, maybe... I don't know... I never see updates from it? Antonio (despite my requests, in person) rarely gets on Nomad anymore. Life is pretty well a full plate for him... and now he is an ambulance operator as if the motel and Pemex and fatherhood wasn't enough!

You want El Rosario as a place to stay for many reasons... 30 miles further south than San Quintin, best motel anywhere for the price or for any price, support a great human in his efforts to help others, explore the many sites around El Rosario, ...

Other than Baja Cactus, Ed's Baja's Best B & B is nice, Turista Motel is nice, Sinahi Motel (not sure), and Mama Espinoza's Las Cabañas Motel is available.

I stayed at the Mision Santa Maria Hotel last week south of San Quintin (the former Desert Inn, La Pinta, El Presidente), and it was fine... that is the next closest lodge to El Rosario.

Bajahowodd - 7-4-2014 at 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Wow... the phone number is a 619 area code. That is San Diego, and I don't post false data, my goal is to assist other, positive attitude travelers who are looking for good value and interesting places.

The phone number or the ones in the link I posted (there are numbers there, regardless if Antonio has ever added anything else to the page), is the ONLY sure way to get a reservation... Stated numerous times. The place fills up because it is just that good, so somebody has done a good job?

Facebook to make a reservation, seriously? Antonio may get on there once in a great while to add a photo, maybe... I don't know... I never see updates from it? Antonio (despite my requests, in person) rarely gets on Nomad anymore. Life is pretty well a full plate for him... and now he is an ambulance operator as if the motel and Pemex and fatherhood wasn't enough!

You want El Rosario as a place to stay for many reasons... 30 miles further south than San Quintin, best motel anywhere for the price or for any price, support a great human in his efforts to help others, explore the many sites around El Rosario, ...

Other than Baja Cactus, Ed's Baja's Best B & B is nice, Turista Motel is nice, Sinahi Motel (not sure), and Mama Espinoza's Las Cabañas Motel is available.

I stayed at the Mision Santa Maria Hotel last week south of San Quintin (the former Desert Inn, La Pinta, El Presidente), and it was fine... that is the next closest lodge to El Rosario.


Stayed at Mision Santa Maria several times, both before and after the Los Pinos folks bought it. Most often it was because it was a Monday and Esmeralda and Carlos are closed on Mondays, which means staying at Jardines on a Monday means you have to drive somewhere to eat. After an all day drive, I prefer to eat with out having to drive somewhere. The new owners have made improvements in the rooms and they have greatly improved the dining room. But, at the end of the day, the whole property retains a creepy feel that stems from the building design.

So, did you stay there because Jardines was full? Or do you just have some problems with that family owned, family run property?

David K - 7-4-2014 at 06:51 PM

I wonder sometimes when I post a trip report with all the detail that I do, that I get a question like this... but I still don't mind answering it for Nomads who didn't get it the first time (Lord know I have missed some details here myself when I speed read through posts!)...

I was the guest of the Desert Assassins 'Trail of Missions' tour. I was flown by helicopter to San Vicente, then driven by Ford Raptor to the Hotel Mision Santa Maria where all 50 of us had a room reserved in advance for the night.

I have eaten at Baja Jardines perhaps 4 times, all very good. I have posted photos at their old and their new restaurant over the years so that others may enjoy it. We last ate dinner there for our first anniversary (July 18, 2009)... so, that is pretty telling, isn't it?

I have not stayed at their motel because we have closer association with fellow Nomad 'BajaCactus', and that is only 25 or so miles away. Antonio has not yet opened a restaurant, but Mama Espinoza's is next door, and we have not had a bad meal there yet. We have also walked to one of the taco places near Baja Cactus, too. A short drive takes us the 2 miles to Ed's Baja's Best Restaurant, where we have enjoyed more meals in El Rosario.

mulegemichael - 7-4-2014 at 07:32 PM

well, in my opinion, and i'm not an epicurian expert, none of the aforementioned restaurants, dk, even come close to the restaurant at jardines....none, and i mean none, of the aforementioned restaurants even comes close....really, really...

David K - 7-5-2014 at 09:46 AM

You are right Michael, they are not close to Jardines... they are about 30 miles away!

If you missed my comments above, I said Jardines was good... very good. I did NOT try to compare quality of El Rosario eateries to San Quintin's. It was about location, and if you cannot enjoy a meal in Baja away from San Quintin, then you won't have a lot of fun.

windgrrl - 7-5-2014 at 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by UnoMas
I always get my fuel in El Rosario and never had any problem with the attendants. They show you that the pump is zeroed, never have asked for a tip or been rude. They also bring ice for my cooler when asked if they have it.

Yes I tip them because I always get great service there...


Ditto x past 4 years.

willardguy - 7-5-2014 at 11:09 AM

I love El Rosario! in my rear view mirror :yes:

Bajahowodd - 7-5-2014 at 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by willardguy
I love El Rosario! in my rear view mirror :yes:



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Bajahowodd - 7-5-2014 at 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by David K
I wonder sometimes when I post a trip report with all the detail that I do, that I get a question like this... but I still don't mind answering it for Nomads who didn't get it the first time (Lord know I have missed some details here myself when I speed read through posts!)...

I was the guest of the Desert Assassins 'Trail of Missions' tour. I was flown by helicopter to San Vicente, then driven by Ford Raptor to the Hotel Mision Santa Maria where all 50 of us had a room reserved in advance for the night.

I have eaten at Baja Jardines perhaps 4 times, all very good. I have posted photos at their old and their new restaurant over the years so that others may enjoy it. We last ate dinner there for our first anniversary (July 18, 2009)... so, that is pretty telling, isn't it?

I have not stayed at their motel because we have closer association with fellow Nomad 'BajaCactus', and that is only 25 or so miles away. Antonio has not yet opened a restaurant, but Mama Espinoza's is next door, and we have not had a bad meal there yet. We have also walked to one of the taco places near Baja Cactus, too. A short drive takes us the 2 miles to Ed's Baja's Best Restaurant, where we have enjoyed more meals in El Rosario.


Telling? In that it has been six years since you ate there?

My point, again, is that at Jardines, the family that owns it and runs it, is on site. They live there.

I'll give you the fact that the Cactus bathrooms are much more tricked out, but for us, the beautiful grounds and the quiet, with the possible exception of the birds totally trumps jake braking trucks and running diesel motors next door at Cactus.

BajaGringo - 7-5-2014 at 05:00 PM

Not sure where all this animosity is coming from???

I have never had the pleasure to personally meet Antonio but I travel through El Rosario semi-frequently and know that just about everybody in town has only positive things to say about the entire BajaCactus operation. I really respect Antonio for the service he provides to travelers; especially with his Desert Hawks ambulance service. For that alone I take my hat off to Antonio.

Although I live in San Quintin and appreciate the thumbs up for a few of our establishments here, I also really like El Rosario and enjoy spending time there. Reyes has a large ranch an hour S-SE of El Rosario and we always like to grab food, gas or just a cold one while stopping along the way heading south. It's like an oasis before the long drive into the desert and I really appreciate that.

So that is my review of the town; but I also happen to really like the food at Mama Espinoza's. Maybe I'm just easy to please???


:lol::lol::lol:


Edit to add - let's not make this another thread about Mama's place, OK???

[Edited on 7-6-2014 by BajaGringo]

TMW - 7-5-2014 at 06:42 PM

Naaah, you're probably like me. I'm not a picky eater. I've never eaten at Jardines but will some day and I'm sure I'll like it very much. I've stayed at Baja Cactus and found it to be one of the better hotels in Baja and eaten at Mamas many times and really enjoyed it as at some other places in El Rosario. I've also stayed at Villa de San Quintin many times and really like it. There are many good places in Baja and we should give them all a big thank you for a job well done.

redhilltown - 7-5-2014 at 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by TW
Naaah, you're probably like me. I'm not a picky eater. I've never eaten at Jardines but will some day and I'm sure I'll like it very much. I've stayed at Baja Cactus and found it to be one of the better hotels in Baja and eaten at Mamas many times and really enjoyed it as at some other places in El Rosario. I've also stayed at Villa de San Quintin many times and really like it. There are many good places in Baja and we should give them all a big thank you for a job well done.



Well said as usual!

David K - 7-6-2014 at 12:21 PM

Right on Baja Gringo and TW!

Life is too short to throw stones at Baja businesses. Jardines is great. Baja Cactus is too... and no jake brake or diesel noise wakes me up in the rooms I have used. You got to wonder if it is so bad, why does it fill up before ANY other motel in town?

Antonio lives in El Rosario most of the time, but he travels a lot for business and family, so I must say that I have never been introduced to the owners of Jardines, but I won't ever say bad things because of that. Why rag on Antonio because you haven't seen him at his two businesses in Rosario? What does that even mean?

Neal Johns - 7-6-2014 at 07:30 PM

I'm a BajaCactus fan.
Both the person and the gas station. Period. :yes::yes:
Neal Johns

Bajahowodd - 7-8-2014 at 04:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGringo
Not sure where all this animosity is coming from???

I have never had the pleasure to personally meet Antonio but I travel through El Rosario semi-frequently and know that just about everybody in town has only positive things to say about the entire BajaCactus operation. I really respect Antonio for the service he provides to travelers; especially with his Desert Hawks ambulance service. For that alone I take my hat off to Antonio.

Although I live in San Quintin and appreciate the thumbs up for a few of our establishments here, I also really like El Rosario and enjoy spending time there. Reyes has a large ranch an hour S-SE of El Rosario and we always like to grab food, gas or just a cold one while stopping along the way heading south. It's like an oasis before the long drive into the desert and I really appreciate that.

So that is my review of the town; but I also happen to really like the food at Mama Espinoza's. Maybe I'm just easy to please???


:lol::lol::lol:


Edit to add - let's not make this another thread about Mama's place, OK???

[Edited on 7-6-2014 by BajaGringo]


Hey Ron. Perhaps it's not animosity, but just simple personal choice.

You well know the family at Jardines. I'm guessing that you have nothing but good things to say about them.

I get that welcoming feeling from them and their staff every time we stop there.

That said, perhaps I am incapable of explaining it, but the town of El Rosario just gives me a bad vibe. The only enjoyable experience I've had there was having breakfast at Ed's. and BS-ing with him.

Not animosity toward Antonio, or his hotel. Just a choice made to stay elsewhere on our trips.

BajaGringo - 7-8-2014 at 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
That said, perhaps I am incapable of explaining it, but the town of El Rosario just gives me a bad vibe. The only enjoyable experience I've had there was having breakfast at Ed's. and BS-ing with him.


That happens. Heck, I get the same feeling from half of the communities in Southern California anymore. I do think though if you were ever to just spend a couple of days in the town and get to know the place and people your opinion would quickly change. I know, that's not very practical when you have a limited number of vacation days and your destination is somewhere else.

I agree about Ed, he is a very nice guy and cooks a mean breakfast. Mike Younghusband introduced me to Ed a few years back.
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
You well know the family at Jardines. I'm guessing that you have nothing but good things to say about them.


We are very good friends with Guillermo, Carmen, Carlos and Esmeralda. They are great people, often guests in our home and made us feel very welcome from the first time we met them years ago. Carlos and Esmeralda just recently bought some property just a stones throw from us and are planning on building out here. I think they realized that it wasn't such a great idea building your home right next to your business.

Almost everyone we have met down here in the local region, from Camalu to EL Rosario, welcomed us into the valley and have treated us like best friends and family. We feel truly, truly blessed to be able to call this place home. I cannot imagine living anywhere else....

David K - 7-8-2014 at 07:33 PM

I am with BajaGringo on this... many towns in the USA give me the creeps... but I am most comfortable in Baja... even border cities. El Rosario is a farming and fishing center with a very tiny strip along Mex. 1 devoted to travels or tourists. Get off the highway, go to the older town, across the river and to the west 2 miles (El Rosario de Abajo). Warm, friendly people... but I have not seen any unfriendly people in the new town along Hwy. 1, either.

The point is any place can give you creeps if you fail to spend any time and get to know a little about it. I only considered it as a fuel stop before Antonio joined Baja Nomad in 2004 and taught us about his town. The next year was his first 'Baja-Rosario Cultural Festival' and many Baja Nomads attended and learned so much about this diverse town and came to appreciate it and know it is more than a fuel stop!

2005 Festival: http://vivabaja.com/705/ (6 pages)
2006 Festival: http://vivabaja.com/706/ (7 pages)
2007 Festival: http://vivabaja.com/707/ (first 2 pages)

dtbushpilot - 7-8-2014 at 08:45 PM

So, who knows something about the new Pemex in Catavina....you know the one this post is about?

[Edited on 7-9-2014 by dtbushpilot]

chuckie - 7-9-2014 at 08:56 AM

The continuous peeing contests on Nomads have also adversely affected the Ogalala aquifer in the Midwest. Got that straight from Bill....Es Verdad!

dtbushpilot - 7-9-2014 at 09:20 AM

And don't forget, all the "hot air" has contributed to global warmi...I mean "climate change"...

bajabuddha - 7-9-2014 at 09:24 AM

... do I smell phrog pharts?? :wow:

Bajahowodd - 7-9-2014 at 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
That said, perhaps I am incapable of explaining it, but the town of El Rosario just gives me a bad vibe. The only enjoyable experience I've had there was having breakfast at Ed's. and BS-ing with him.


That happens. Heck, I get the same feeling from half of the communities in Southern California anymore. I do think though if you were ever to just spend a couple of days in the town and get to know the place and people your opinion would quickly change. I know, that's not very practical when you have a limited number of vacation days and your destination is somewhere else.

I agree about Ed, he is a very nice guy and cooks a mean breakfast. Mike Younghusband introduced me to Ed a few years back.
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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
You well know the family at Jardines. I'm guessing that you have nothing but good things to say about them.


We are very good friends with Guillermo, Carmen, Carlos and Esmeralda. They are great people, often guests in our home and made us feel very welcome from the first time we met them years ago. Carlos and Esmeralda just recently bought some property just a stones throw from us and are planning on building out here. I think they realized that it wasn't such a great idea building your home right next to your business.

Almost everyone we have met down here in the local region, from Camalu to EL Rosario, welcomed us into the valley and have treated us like best friends and family. We feel truly, truly blessed to be able to call this place home. I cannot imagine living anywhere else....


I actually laughed out loud when you cautioned against amking this another thread about Mama's.

That said, I'll go out on a very short limb, and say that of all the folks on this forum, you, without a doubt, know the family that owns Jardines much better than anyone else.

Esmeralda told me she had a crush on you.:O:o:lol:

BajaGringo - 7-9-2014 at 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Esmeralda told me she had a crush on you.:O:o:lol:


Shhhhh - Don't tell Cristina!!!

:lol::lol::lol:

shari - 7-10-2014 at 09:48 AM

just a quick word on places that have 619 phone numbers...we have one but it's a magic jack number so even though one may have a USA phone #, one can still live onsite in baja. I for one like it that Baja Cactus has a USA phone as I can phone them to make reservations for our guests with my magic jack for no long distance charges.

ummm...talking about Pemex stations...ours is scheduled...hahaha...thats funny right there....to open on July 15th...tick tick tick

willardguy - 7-10-2014 at 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by shari
just a quick word on places that have 619 phone numbers...we have one but it's a magic jack number so even though one may have a USA phone #, one can still live onsite in baja. I for one like it that Baja Cactus has a USA phone as I can phone them to make reservations for our guests with my magic jack for no long distance charges.

ummm...talking about Pemex stations...ours is scheduled...hahaha...thats funny right there....to open on July 15th...tick tick tick
pemex's are like a fine wines, they need to age before opening! ;)

Bajahowodd - 7-10-2014 at 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Esmeralda told me she had a crush on you.:O:o:lol:


Shhhhh - Don't tell Cristina!!!

:lol::lol::lol:


A joke, my friend. But, what red blooded male would not be absolutely flattered by the attention of a vibrant, beautiful woman such as Esmeralda.

Fact is that Guillermo told me that everything he's doing as he expands Jardines is all for his grand children and his daughter Esmeralda.

My thinking is that Carlos may be the absolutely luckiest guy in San Quintin, with the possible exception of you.:yes::yes:

BajaGringo - 7-10-2014 at 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd My thinking is that Carlos may be the absolutely luckiest guy in San Quintin, with the possible exception of you.:yes::yes:


I am amigo, I am...

;)

By the way, anybody noticed that Javier Plascencia stopped to have lunch in El Rosario???

Lunch in El Rosario



[Edited on 7-11-2014 by BajaGringo]

David K - 7-11-2014 at 04:06 PM

Who is Javier P. ?

BajaGringo - 7-11-2014 at 04:30 PM

Who is Javier???

Master chef and owner of Mision 19, credited with creating the new BajaMed cuisine...

Master of a New Tijuana


dirtbikr - 7-11-2014 at 04:42 PM

If I was a Mexican, (I'm polish) and I wanted to make some money I would show up in catavina or maybe santa Rosalia, Mulege with a boatload of ULSD diesel for sale. I for one would probably pay double so that I can bring my new truck down and enjoy it. Where is that mexican entrepreneur?

Bajahowodd - 7-11-2014 at 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
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Originally posted by Bajahowodd My thinking is that Carlos may be the absolutely luckiest guy in San Quintin, with the possible exception of you.:yes::yes:


I am amigo, I am...

;)

By the way, anybody noticed that Javier Plascencia stopped to have lunch in El Rosario???

Lunch in El Rosario



[Edited on 7-11-2014 by BajaGringo]


I really have to say that I'm miffed by that simply because, in my opinion, there is nothing at Mama Espinosas That can add anything to the world of food. It's pedestrian, at best.

I'm guessing that Javier was looking for a photo op at an iconic restaurant.

I'm guessing that

BajaGringo - 7-11-2014 at 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I really have to say that I'm miffed by that simply because, in my opinion, there is nothing at Mama Espinosas That can add anything to the world of food. It's pedestrian, at best.

I'm guessing that Javier was looking for a photo op at an iconic restaurant.

I'm guessing that


I followed Javiers trip down to San Juanico and the photo he posted of his lunch at Mama's was the only photo he posted of food his entire trip.

I'm guessing that he actually enjoyed the meal.

But I'm only guessing that...

;)

ncampion - 7-11-2014 at 08:21 PM

It's very popular on this board to flame Mama's, but I have never had anything but an enjoyable meal there. Not the best - but always enjoyable.

David K - 7-11-2014 at 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by ncampion
It's very popular on this board to flame Mama's, but I have never had anything but an enjoyable meal there. Not the best - but always enjoyable.


We don't eat there often, but also never had a bad meal... It is a special place founded by a special lady!




Marinero - 7-12-2014 at 07:05 AM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
So, who knows something about the new Pemex in Catavina....you know the one this post is about?

[Edited on 7-9-2014 by dtbushpilot]


My understanding is that it's all good to go but they need to widen the highway there to four lanes so all the traffic and exit can enter safely.:cool:

But, just so this stays consistent with virtually every other innocuous thread I also understand that the environmentalists have filed an injunction on the impact of that much more asphalt on ambient summertime temperatures and it's impact on shifting high pressure systems just that much further north, which has been proven to be contributing to the ongoing severe drought in the SW.

[Edited on 7-9-2014 by soulpatch]

Widen the road for safety? Uhh, what about the shoulder drop-off at the GN Pemex?

J.P. - 7-12-2014 at 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by ncampion
It's very popular on this board to flame Mama's, but I have never had anything but an enjoyable meal there. Not the best - but always enjoyable.








I am not into flaming anyone, It's all about choices. we used to stop at Mama Espinosas I love her Lobster stew. we stayed at Baja Cactus when there was just a few rooms the price was only 26$ and we fueled at the Pemex there because that was the last game for many miles But they now have many more choices on that road and some are better and some are worse. I commend anyone along that stretch of road that try to make life better for themselves and others but I owe no one any special allegiance .

:yes::yes:

[Edited on 7-12-2014 by J.P.]

willardguy - 7-12-2014 at 09:10 AM

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Edit to add - let's not make this another thread about Mama's place, OK???

[Edited on 7-6-2014 by BajaGringo]


did you really think david would pass up an opportunity like this? :lol:

BajaGringo - 7-12-2014 at 09:16 AM

I can't help myself. Love Mama and her family...

Bajahowodd - 7-12-2014 at 04:58 PM

Nice family. Nice people.

But I have to comment on the fact that many of the so-called defenders of the restaurant simply said they never had a bad meal there.

That may be the truth.

But, never a great meal.

That, again, is why I wonder just why Javier would stop there.

To be fair, as someone who has traveled the extent of the peninsula for many years, there is most likely not a great meal ( not saying a good meal) between Ensenada and La Paz.

BajaGringo - 7-12-2014 at 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
...To be fair, as someone who has traveled the extent of the peninsula for many years, there is most likely not a great meal ( not saying a good meal) between Ensenada and La Paz.



I'll take that as a positive review...

:lol::lol::lol:

TMW - 7-13-2014 at 11:14 AM

Saying one had a great meal is interesting. I have only had what I would call something great to eat a few times. The shrimp ceviche at the Solamar hotel in Cabo was great. I have a friend who always tells me this place and that place has great food but when I eat there it's OK or it's good but not what I'd call great. For a place to have great food I'd have to want to go out of my way to go there. I use to think El Nino's in San Felipe had great steaks until the last few years. The last steak I had there last year was as tough as shoe leather. I'm not a picky eater, I'll eat almost anything. But great food in my opinion is few and far between and that goes for the restaruants in the states too. The fast food fries have went down hill when the took the lard out. KFC chicken taste worse now too and I can't too much of the special sauce on my burgers know matter who makes it. I like mustard on my burger. When Am/PM left San Felipe the burgers and hotdogs took a nose dive. I want my meal to be satisfying and if it is great all the better.

willardguy - 7-13-2014 at 11:25 AM

there was something "special" about those am/pm burgers. they always left me with the feeling something "bad" was about to happen!:lol:

Bajahowodd - 7-13-2014 at 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by TW
Saying one had a great meal is interesting. I have only had what I would call something great to eat a few times. The shrimp ceviche at the Solamar hotel in Cabo was great. I have a friend who always tells me this place and that place has great food but when I eat there it's OK or it's good but not what I'd call great. For a place to have great food I'd have to want to go out of my way to go there. I use to think El Nino's in San Felipe had great steaks until the last few years. The last steak I had there last year was as tough as shoe leather. I'm not a picky eater, I'll eat almost anything. But great food in my opinion is few and far between and that goes for the restaruants in the states too. The fast food fries have went down hill when the took the lard out. KFC chicken taste worse now too and I can't too much of the special sauce on my burgers know matter who makes it. I like mustard on my burger. When Am/PM left San Felipe the burgers and hotdogs took a nose dive. I want my meal to be satisfying and if it is great all the better.


I'm guessing that you were talking about Solmar.

These folks operate several restaurants off site of there property such as Romeo Y Julietas. Perhaps the only hotel operator in Cabo to operate off site restaurants.

But, cynical me just figures that the can hype those places on site and get the limos to take folks there.

Realize that one of their Cabo properties, which may actually have the greatest number of rooms in town (and is a timeshare) is Playa Grande.

dirtbikr - 7-13-2014 at 05:39 PM

How does the post go from gasolina in cativina to restaurants?

redhilltown - 7-13-2014 at 11:25 PM

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Originally posted by dirtbikr
How does the post go from gasolina in cativina to restaurants?


Why should it be different than other other thread??? :cool:

Bajahowodd - 7-14-2014 at 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by dirtbikr
How does the post go from gasolina in cativina to restaurants?


Because!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

mtgoat666 - 7-14-2014 at 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by dirtbikr
How does the post go from gasolina in cativina to restaurants?


yes, that is odd. most threads usually drift to a debate on global warming.

BajaGringo - 7-14-2014 at 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
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Originally posted by dirtbikr
How does the post go from gasolina in cativina to restaurants?


yes, that is odd. most threads usually drift to a debate on global warming.



Just give us a few more pages, I'm sure we can get there...

:lol::lol::lol:

redhilltown - 7-14-2014 at 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
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Originally posted by mtgoat666
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Originally posted by dirtbikr
How does the post go from gasolina in cativina to restaurants?


yes, that is odd. most threads usually drift to a debate on global warming.



Just give us a few more pages, I'm sure we can get there...

:lol::lol::lol:




It was a dark and stormy night when Al Gore drove into Catavina and needed gas for his Hummer...

chuckie - 7-15-2014 at 06:24 AM

Al Gore is a HUmmer...

SFandH - 7-15-2014 at 06:56 AM

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Originally posted by Udo
We always do just that DK. In the Prius, I can make it on less than 5 gallons from mid OC to Baja Cactus.
This time, on the way back, We were still on the same gas from Baja Cactus) we filled up in Jesus Maria, and made it back to Orange County on the same tank!


Udo, hope you're feeling well enough to respond. How are you doing?

Tell us more about the Prius in Baja. The mileage is incredible! How does it do going up the steeper grades, like the one south of El Rosario? Does it work hard going up? Would loading it up with stuff and two people slow it down?

Anybody else drive a Prius or similar in Baja?

[Edited on 7-15-2014 by SFandH]

BajaBill74 - 7-15-2014 at 08:06 AM

I have been driving a Prius to Baja for four years. I drive about 500 miles from Santa Rosa to Chula Vista and fill up at Costco.

From there I made it once to Santa Rosalia but usually just to San Ignacio.

That's usually just with one person. One trip with four people and luggage we only made it to Vizcaino. With that load we were always able to maintain or exceed the speed limit.

Now, back on subject, I've never needed gas at Catavina. Why fill up with only 5 gallons?

David K - 7-15-2014 at 08:47 AM

That one and the old Parador Punta Prieta one (L.A. Bay junction) are good locations. A third failed location was at San Agustin... and a fourth was at Nuevo Rosarito.

Some issues with the central desert locations were: off grid, banks too far away, security, employee availability, poor business management, and of course being locked into the national fixed price even though those locations have higher operating costs.

David K - 7-15-2014 at 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by BajaBill74

Now, back on subject, I've never needed gas at Catavina. Why fill up with only 5 gallons?


That's southbound (75 miles from El Rosario Pemex)... Northbound, or surfing the 7 Sisters, or coming around from San Felipe and Gonzaga Bay (if that Pemex is closed) is why Cataviña is useful. :light:

MMc - 7-15-2014 at 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by redhilltown
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Originally posted by BajaGringo
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Originally posted by mtgoat666
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Originally posted by dirtbikr
How does the post go from gasolina in cativina to restaurants?


yes, that is odd. most threads usually drift to a debate on global warming.



Just give us a few more pages, I'm sure we can get there...

:lol::lol::lol:




It was a dark and stormy night when Al Gore drove into Catavina and needed gas for his Hummer...


He was looking for a lost friend and some turtle soup.

Jumping to the end,that should cover all the possible hijacks:lol::lol::lol:

mtgoat666 - 7-15-2014 at 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by MMc
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Originally posted by redhilltown
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Originally posted by BajaGringo
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Originally posted by mtgoat666
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Originally posted by dirtbikr
How does the post go from gasolina in cativina to restaurants?


yes, that is odd. most threads usually drift to a debate on global warming.



Just give us a few more pages, I'm sure we can get there...

:lol::lol::lol:




It was a dark and stormy night when Al Gore drove into Catavina and needed gas for his Hummer...


He was looking for a lost friend and some turtle soup.

Jumping to the end,that should cover all the possible hijacks:lol::lol::lol:


don't forget immigration, gun control and freedom-hating liberals!

todays news should give you something to talk about - redneck whites protesting against poor immigrant children by marching on the orphanage armed with assault rifles!

"Conservative groups protested the possible housing of Central American children in Vassar, Michigan, on Monday by marching through town, some with AR-15 rifles and handguns, according to The Detroit News.

About 50 protesters led by the group Michiganders for Immigration Control and Enforcement carried American and “Don’t Tread on Me” flags as they marched from city hall to a social services facility that may house the children. The protest follows a similar but larger gathering that took place last week."

MMc - 7-15-2014 at 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
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Originally posted by mtgoat666
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Originally posted by dirtbikr
How does the post go from gasolina in cativina to restaurants?


yes, that is odd. most threads usually drift to a debate on global warming.



Just give us a few more pages, I'm sure we can get there...

:lol::lol::lol:


Done and done:lol::P:lol:

Bajahowodd - 7-15-2014 at 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by David K
That one and the old Parador Punta Prieta one (L.A. Bay junction) are good locations. A third failed location was at San Agustin... and a fourth was at Nuevo Rosarito.

Some issues with the central desert locations were: off grid, banks too far away, security, employee availability, poor business management, and of course being locked into the national fixed price even though those locations have higher operating costs.


Just think about all of those "sprouting Pemex stations in Baja. The one thing they have in common is that they have convenience stores.

There is much to be made by selling junk food and cigarettes. Not so much for the gasoline.

The profit margin that Pemex allows to their dealers is pitifully low, given that the government controls the price of gas.

So, the idea that anyone in an off the grid location, who must consume fuel just to pump their gas, is not going to happen without some relief from Pemex.

David K - 7-15-2014 at 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
That one and the old Parador Punta Prieta one (L.A. Bay junction) are good locations. A third failed location was at San Agustin... and a fourth was at Nuevo Rosarito.

Some issues with the central desert locations were: off grid, banks too far away, security, employee availability, poor business management, and of course being locked into the national fixed price even though those locations have higher operating costs.


Just think about all of those "sprouting Pemex stations in Baja. The one thing they have in common is that they have convenience stores.

There is much to be made by selling junk food and cigarettes. Not so much for the gasoline.

The profit margin that Pemex allows to their dealers is pitifully low, given that the government controls the price of gas.

So, the idea that anyone in an off the grid location, who must consume fuel just to pump their gas, is not going to happen without some relief from Pemex.


Right indeed. Until recently, the Pemex franchise owners were handcuffed by stupid government limitations... such as no other sales or work at Pemex stations (such as we have in the USA gas stations: tire repair, auto service, oil changes, etc.).

SFandH - 7-15-2014 at 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by David K

Right indeed. Until recently, the Pemex franchise owners were handcuffed by stupid government limitations... such as no other sales or work at Pemex stations (such as we have in the USA gas stations: tire repair, auto service, oil changes, etc.).


I haven't seen a gas station in San Diego that does anything except sell gas and junk food in a long time. There are probably a few old timers left but gas and junk food is the modern business model.

Pemex does it better and cheaper. With full service thrown in.

Cliffy - 7-15-2014 at 11:26 PM

We could drift into oil independence for the USA, the IRS scandal, the VA scandal, the abortion debate, OH wait, that's a hijack. :-) :-)

redhilltown - 7-15-2014 at 11:32 PM

It all may be a moot point. Once the road is finished between San Luis Gonzaga and La Chapala the traffic through Catavina may drop in half? Or some significant number. San Felipe is pretty reliable and now so is the Pemex in Gonzaga plus the Rancho Grande pumps (haven't used them for a while...are they still selling gas?). A lot of us will decide whether we want to drive a new amazing road along the Sea of Cortez or bumble through all the topas, buses, and traffic along Highway One through San Quintin etc... Not really a choice.

David K - 7-15-2014 at 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by redhilltown
It all may be a moot point. Once the road is finished between San Luis Gonzaga and La Chapala the traffic through Catavina may drop in half? Or some significant number. San Felipe is pretty reliable and now so is the Pemex in Gonzaga plus the Rancho Grande pumps (haven't used them for a while...are they still selling gas?). A lot of us will decide whether we want to drive a new amazing road along the Sea of Cortez or bumble through all the topas, buses, and traffic along Highway One through San Quintin etc... Not really a choice.


Until it is replaced, the old pavement from Puertecitos to San Felipe is no high speed road... sudden, steep dips... Not a high speed road like the newer one from Puertecitos to Gonzaga.

Cliffy - 7-16-2014 at 01:32 AM

Being from N AZ I can't wait till the road is at least graded from Gonzaga to MEX 1 even if the old part has issues.
CoCo better stock up.

David K - 7-16-2014 at 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by Cliffy
Being from N AZ I can't wait till the road is at least graded from Gonzaga to MEX 1 even if the old part has issues.
CoCo better stock up.


It is a graded road... or do you mean freshly graded/ scraped?

It is only an issue for a rough surface for trailers, motorhomes, low slung cars, but 4WD is not needed.

Some photos between Gonzaga and Chapala taken in July, 2012:







redhilltown - 7-16-2014 at 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by David K
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Originally posted by redhilltown
It all may be a moot point. Once the road is finished between San Luis Gonzaga and La Chapala the traffic through Catavina may drop in half? Or some significant number. San Felipe is pretty reliable and now so is the Pemex in Gonzaga plus the Rancho Grande pumps (haven't used them for a while...are they still selling gas?). A lot of us will decide whether we want to drive a new amazing road along the Sea of Cortez or bumble through all the topas, buses, and traffic along Highway One through San Quintin etc... Not really a choice.


Until it is replaced, the old pavement from Puertecitos to San Felipe is no high speed road... sudden, steep dips... Not a high speed road like the newer one from Puertecitos to Gonzaga.


Quite true. And the first nasty hurricane will tear it up...but for now (and once the road is finished), it will still be a better alternative than the slog thru San Quintin. Coco better stock up!