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HOTEL SERENIDAD - A RARE OPPORTUNITY TO OWN A PIECE OF HISTORY

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chuckie - 7-5-2014 at 10:20 AM

Dreadful shame, Robin, but as you say, a GREAT opportunity!

[Edited on 7-6-2014 by BajaNomad]

desertcpl - 7-5-2014 at 11:31 AM

here comes the Ejidos

toneart - 7-5-2014 at 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by desertcpl
here comes the Ejidos

That was my thought too. They make a run at the property every few years. They pick away like mosquitoes and can inflict bites. Any prospective investor needs to be made aware of that. However, it is possible to overcome the Ejido, but it takes money, a good legal team and the indominitable will of a Don Johnson.

This particular Ejido is bogus but they can demonstrate their side of their rights, with government support. Fortunately, through the years they have been under funded and woefully inept at asserting their legal standing.

bajabuddha - 7-5-2014 at 12:01 PM

The last conversation I had with Mr. Johnson was not what i'd call a 'promising investment' description of the Serenidad. Since the Gov't has incurred so many tariffs on flyers coming in, and tourism is down over 70% across the board in Baja thanks to the wonderful press's coverage of the Cartel murders (on the mainland no less), Mr. Johnson told me he'd reduced his prices by 50% to try to encourage more business his way. He was definitely lamenting the current economy, or lack thereof. Even if one was given a superb low sale price on the whole shebang, one better have enough scratch capital to sustain it indefinitely, because I don't foresee tourism booming any time soon, like the 'good ol' days', especially with the lack of fly-in-business.

capt. mike - 7-5-2014 at 12:14 PM

very Sad but Don is getting old - he needs a break. It will never have the panache of the old days. Even BBP abandoned it for the whale trips for Loreto. Glad I had 30 plus years going there before flying became too problematic in Mexico with eAPIS and all the rest of the CBP BS.

toneart - 7-5-2014 at 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
very Sad but Don is getting old - he needs a break. It will never have the panache of the old days. Even BBP abandoned it for the whale trips for Loreto. Glad I had 30 plus years going there before flying became too problematic in Mexico with eAPIS and all the rest of the CBP BS.

We did have some good times, didn't we? :bounce:

LancairDriver - 7-5-2014 at 12:24 PM

This would be a great business opportunity at 1.5 million if it weren't for the ejido looming in the background. The potential buyer will be perceived as having deep pockets and the lawyers will be gathering like flys on dead fish to represent the ejido and begin the fleecing exercise. Probably would be prudent to budget a like amount for future legal fees. Unfortunately it will probably be impossible to regain the iconic reputation of the golden days of the hotel.

toneart - 7-5-2014 at 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by Robinhood
The ejido percentage has been accounted for in the sales price and negotiations are ongoing between all parties for a smooth transition.

The good ol' days of bush flying are past but where else could you pick up 50 waterfront rooms with all these amenities and panache for this price? I remember when Mulege was booming and Don wouldn't sell the place for ten times the price. Times change and opportunities are created. Feel free to find some comparables.

I would be happy to discuss any of your concerns via Skype at mulegeproperties, via email at mulegeproperties.com.mx, or in person at my office here in Mulege. Out of respect for my clients I won't divulge any more information in this public forum than they feel comfortable with.

Thanks for the input....P.S. As always - bring me a buyer (s) that complete the deal and I will pay a finders fee.

I have always found you to be forthright, honest and capable, Robin! You can pull it off and your clients will have ended up with a great property at today's prices. Persevere and good luck. Mulege needs the Serenidad operational.

capt. mike - 7-5-2014 at 12:26 PM

and......the airstrip is on federal land, Don does not own it - he only pays for the license and does the maintenance to benefit his amenity adjacent. If you buy the hotel you don't get fee title to the airstrip.

Terry28 - 7-5-2014 at 01:06 PM

This does appear to be a fantastic deal, even if the land was almost vacant....The only problem I would be concerned about would be " The bullet proof " sales contract....I don't think that exists in Mexico...( actually bullet proof, may be a poor choice of words in Mexico....)

bajagrouper - 7-5-2014 at 01:11 PM

I used to drive from San Francisco and leave on a Thursday so we could enjoy the Saturday night pig roast, so many nice memories but I always wondered how much it cost the Johnsons in legal fees over the years?

bajabuddha - 7-5-2014 at 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by Robinhood
Please continue the conversation but if you have any negative comments for the sake of negativity please respect Don, Nancy and myself by directing your questions to my private emails.

Don't sweat the small stuff, Robin. You're already 14 posts into your thread, and no one has inferred any blame to the POTUS, the acute immigrant threat, Hobby Lobby or Lib-tards..... yet.
(J/K!) :lol:

desertcpl - 7-5-2014 at 01:56 PM

Robin

I would think its a little naïve on your part that your posting here on BN would not generate a discussion about the Hotel

first I think its a great deal at 1.5M

and I have enjoyed the Hotel for years, nobody here is bashing the Hotel and the Johnsons,, great history, great location

but the history with the Ejido is not going to go away any time soon, and I wish you the best of luck

chuckie - 7-5-2014 at 02:40 PM

Knowing most of the Ejidos present management, I believe they are a more practical group than in the past. I also believe that the Serenidad is capable of coming back, given some aggressive marketing and creativity. I have had more great times there than I can remember (you can take that any way you care to). A grand opportunity!

BajaBlanca - 7-5-2014 at 03:59 PM

Met the Johnsons for the first time ever when we were on our month in La Paz visit. We wish them the best of luck.

micah202 - 7-5-2014 at 04:19 PM

.http://bajasur.es.craigslist.com.mx/reb/4552511196.html
......'' Mulege Properties' owner, Robin Frizzelle, has worked as a licensed Real Estate sales representative for global leader, Coldwell Banker, in Lake Tahoe for 10 years. We promise ethical services and full disclosure''

...seems like you'll have no problem talking about either Ejidos OR potential floodplains then

[Edited on 7-5-2014 by micah202]

JC43 - 7-5-2014 at 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by LancairDriver
This would be a great business opportunity at 1.5 million if it weren't for the ejido looming in the background. The potential buyer will be perceived as having deep pockets and the lawyers will be gathering like flys on dead fish to represent the ejido and begin the fleecing exercise. Probably would be prudent to budget a like amount for future legal fees. Unfortunately it will probably be impossible to regain the iconic reputation of the golden days of the hotel.

1.5 million ??? When we stood at the Serenidad last time, the rooms where poorly maintained. Water spots at the ceiling. Only very few guests. Maybe 8 or 10. A hotel w/ about 50 rooms, a 1,5 million ticket a business opportunity when only 8 or 10 are booked? Oh, Robin, am I allowed to ask this?
Don Johnson is well known in Mulege, but not as the most honest man. BTW he lost the lawsuit against the Ejidos on the part of land on the right-hand-side of the highway southbound about 40 ha. He claimed to be the owner of that land, but could not proof any payment to the court. That lawsuit went on for about 20 Years..
Well, maybe I am completely wrong with all this. Maybe. But that is what goes around in Mulege..

SFandH - 7-5-2014 at 05:15 PM

A 5% return on investment on 1.5 million would mean netting $6,250 a month, every month.

chuckie - 7-5-2014 at 05:18 PM

JC43, I'll forgive you your ignorance. I have lived in Mulege for over 30 years, and until you have met Don Johnson and get to know him, your bashing is inappropriate. If you don't want to buy the property, please don't.

monoloco - 7-5-2014 at 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by SFandH
A 5% return on investment on 1.5 million would mean netting $6,250 a month, every month.

If one could average a 50% occupancy rate for the year at $65 a night it would gross $48,750 a month. That doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility, if someone fixed the place up a bit and had some marketing skills.

LancairDriver - 7-5-2014 at 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by SFandH
A 5% return on investment on 1.5 million would mean netting $6,250 a month, every month.

I would plan on another 750k for hotel restoration. If there truly is no problem with the ejido, and competent management is in place, the potential is there to restore the hotel to its previous historical status and turn a decent profit. This property could be the key to bringing new prosperity to all of Mulege. With any success with the holding ponds now under construction to control the devastating flooding seen recently, Mulege could be headed for a much brighter future.

JC43 - 7-5-2014 at 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by chuckie
JC43, I'll forgive you your ignorance. I have lived in Mulege for over 30 years, and until you have met Don Johnson and get to know him, your bashing is inappropriate. If you don't want to buy the property, please don't.

Chucky, did you live in Mulege or did you visit Mulege for some days or month? Leaving in (a guess) March or April and maybe coming back in November only for to leave by X-Mas again? Living in Mulege means all year round, nothing else.
Otherwise you are a guest in Mulege.
BTW this is the second time you are unfriendly not to say "snotty".. I like you a lot!
What I said is what goes around in Mulege. nothing else.
And again btw, I know the Johnson family.
Can you explain to the Nomads reading this post, why Diana and hubby left the Serenidad. Although Diana was introduced by Don Johnson as the next "El Jefe" ?
If you got a good explanation you'll get a sardine as a winner!

bajabuddha - 7-5-2014 at 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by monoloco

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Originally posted by SFandH
A 5% return on investment on 1.5 million would mean netting $6,250 a month, every month.

Last I heard, rooms were $50 per night (or less, depending on lack of occupancy) and that would mean an average of 25 rooms a night, EVERY night, at your estimates. I'm not bashing, i'm just counting. Did you add in 'fixer-upper' costs as well, once ownership is taken? It is a little run-down. I wish the Johnson's well, it IS a good price for the goodies, but it's going to take investment capital to recoup for a long, long time. First order of business will be to establish trust with the 'Good-ol'-Boys' of Mulege, the true makers and breakers, and then go to work on the rest of BAUM (Businsess As Usual, Mexico).

JC43 - 7-5-2014 at 06:00 PM

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I just talked to my friends living all year round in Mulege. All access roads to the Serenidad are partially flooded due to high tide. That is normal every summer.
The water has reached the airstrip - ponds on it.
And what about 'the potential' when global warming rises the ocean level only about several inches???

LancairDriver - 7-5-2014 at 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by JC43

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I have never heard of annual summer flooding of the roads and runway due to high tides. How about the rain there of the past few days? Russ posted some information about that. I would tend to believe this is what your friends are looking at.

[Edited on 7-6-2014 by LancairDriver]

JC43 - 7-5-2014 at 06:20 PM

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LD, if you never heard about that high tide in summer, flooding the access roads, is it b/c you are never in Mulege in summer?
No wonder,,,who is talking across the border about the access roads of the Serenidad in Mulege?
It's a fact that high summer tide is flooding the entire area, every year. Mostly the access road along the river. But others as well.
Today ocean waters are right next to and on the strip. And that is ocean water, not rain water. Rain water would be drained into the ocean. No doubt, the water is salty, so what?

LancairDriver - 7-5-2014 at 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by JC43

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No, I never spend any time in Mulege between May and September. I'm acclimated to 65 degree summer temperatures on the Oregon Coast. Maybe a full time Mulege resident could comment on the summer high tide flooding covering the south bank of the River?

chivatojoe - 7-5-2014 at 07:44 PM

As a resort operator in the area it would be nice to hear from Bob and Susan from the lighthouse??

Serenidad Hotel

cessna821 - 7-6-2014 at 02:18 AM

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I second Chuckie on this one.

I have lived in Mulegé since 2000 and kept my own aircraft at the Serenidad for many of those years.

I have known Don well during this time and although I don't know how this sits with others here, I have always found him to be the perfect gentleman.

He and Nancy have been solid citizens and I wish them well in their retirement.

[Edited on 7-6-2014 by cessna821]

chuckie - 7-6-2014 at 05:31 AM

Just a few weeks ago, JC43 was asking basic questions about Mulege, now he is a self proclaimed expert. However so far all he has posted is rumour or negatives, with some smoke about global warming and rising waters. I feel no need to present my creds to him as to my term of residency, or to answer or explore questions about Dons family. The Serenidad has gotten a bit long of tooth, and Don has gotten old, we all know that. Both the hotel and the Man, are of strong character, and a sort of legend in the area. The hotel can come back, and I wish Don a quick sale and a happy retirement. He has earned it. This is my last post on this thread, to engage JC further would be non productive.

willyAirstream - 7-6-2014 at 06:27 AM

JC43 is exaggerating the high tide river road flooding. There are places with 6`` deep puddles, but easily passable. The current storm has made every dirt road a muddy mess, every steep drive a problem, butit dries quickly and will be back to normal washboard soon.

bajabuddha - 7-6-2014 at 06:44 AM

JC43, FYI, When they built the Mulege Prison up on the hill, they built it AROUND Chuckie; he was a bit feisty in his youth (but not any more, we now call it 'eccentric'). Get to know your 'peeps' before you lord your new knowledge over them. The estero is and always has been a flood-plain, and even the biggest floods usually dissipate to only 4 or 5 feet deep down at that end where the water can spread out. The Hotel, houses, and Serenidad has been there long before most of us, and will probably be there a while after.

Buena Suerte to the Johnsons; they've earned their retirement. The price is good, should be more, but times are hard. Sounds like a lot of price, but there's a lot for the price. As stated, will need some work in more areas than one, but I had my first dance there the winter of '95 and learned about using vanilla for bobo's there that coming April. A cook showed me in the kitchen back when Don hosted the Rotary Pig Races (with much bigger pigs than they use now... entered one with a buddy, and damn near got trampled!). Most everyone has a Serenidad story or two. I'm going down to the local grocery store this morning and buying a lottery ticket or two; that'd be my retirement wish, and Chuck, you can pick your own room. I get to run the bar.
bb :yes:

SFandH - 7-6-2014 at 10:33 AM

How old are the Serenidad main buildings?

motoged - 7-6-2014 at 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Make some rich folks a pretty b-tchen' private home.
I"ll spend some time dreaming about it.......

I am gonna go shake my piggy bank..... :lol:

JC43 - 7-6-2014 at 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by chuckie
Just a few weeks ago, JC43 was asking basic questions about Mulege, now he is a self proclaimed expert. However so far all he has posted is rumour or negatives, with some smoke about global warming and rising waters. I feel no need to present my creds to him as to my term of residency, or to answer or explore questions about Dons family. The Serenidad has gotten a bit long of tooth, and Don has gotten old, we all know that. Both the hotel and the Man, are of strong character, and a sort of legend in the area. The hotel can come back, and I wish Don a quick sale and a happy retirement. He has earned it. This is my last post on this thread, to engage JC further would be non productive.

Who can read,,, has clearly an advantage, right Chucky?

I never, ever proclaimed myself as a Mulege expert.
Read again what I posted: I said I talked to folks living in Mulege all year round.
And, yes, yesterday I Skype'd with them. They did drive to the Serenidad yesterday and yes, mud peddlers every where, just like WillyAirstream confirmed. Maybe from rain. Possible. But as the tide is on the same level then the strip or the access roads or the Serenidad itself, , water can't drain.
And that is the news from yesterday from folks living there and watching. Not from somebody like Chucky living cross the border and b-tching around.
Q to Chuck: R U living in Mulege? Means, is your first residence located in Mulege? Or in the US. R U paying taxes in Mx? Your car is a MX car w/ an MX plate on it? R U holding a 'Residente Permanente'? Or r u traveling to Mulege on an FM >> visitors Visa?
If u r a permanent resident I apologize! If not, don't talk like you know something better than the Mulege residents.

motoged - 7-6-2014 at 11:11 AM

It can become dangerous on Nomads sometimes when a person makes a comment about a community that falls short of only offering praise....

Some folks get kinda territorial and take shots at "outsiders" who don't meet certain made-up criteria.

I remember arguing with siblings about who had the toy first...

willyAirstream - 7-6-2014 at 11:19 AM

Chucky has probably been in Mulegè longer than anyone on this board, most of it full time.

chuckie - 7-6-2014 at 02:36 PM

The fool just cant get it right. I NEVER suggested he couldn't ask questions. I said (go read it) his response was snotty, it was. I do reserve the right to call someone on the posting of character damaging rumor, to defend good people and to decry pure BS. Mulege has many faults, I know all of them, we don't need someone who has never been there, making up more based on a few phone calls.

HOTEL SERENIDAD - A RARE OPPORTUNITY TO OWN A PIECE OF HISTORY

Robinhood - 7-6-2014 at 03:53 PM

Don and Nancy Johnson have decided to pass on the legendary Hotel Serenidad for the next generation of hoteliers.

This is an incredible opportunity for an individual or a group of investors to have a prime location and viable business in beautiful Mulege.

Peruse the following link and let your imagination wander:

http://bajasur.es.craigslist.com.mx/reb/4552511196.html

I am available for any questions via Skype at mulegeproperties or via my website at www.mulege-properties.com

Pescador - 7-6-2014 at 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by JC43

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Well, JC, I shore am glad I read your posty thing on this here internet report. I had this little ol oil well here in my backyard in Oklyhoma and was all set to plunk down about 2 million dollars to buy that real purty piece of property, but if it is as bad you you say it is, and fur shure, yu should know, I think maybe you saved me somewhere in the neborhood of at least 2 million smackeroos.

Mama always wanted a nice place where she culd cook for them pilot types and I em pretti handi with a saw and hammer, figuring we culd turn thet propetie into a real nice plasce.

Yurs truli,

chuckie - 7-6-2014 at 04:59 PM

Pescador, you are da bomb...

Robinhood - 7-6-2014 at 05:59 PM

Tried to avoid the infighting that has nearly destroyed this valuable resource that is the BajaNomads board by deleting my original posts and posting again....however the powers that be just combined my original trashed thread and my new one. I was only trying to keep on topic and prevent further flight from the BajaNomads board.

I think that this board is a great place for Bajaphiles but sometimes.....

Please let everyone you might know that may be interested in purchasing the Hotel Serenidad to refer to:

http://bajasur.en.craigslist.com.mx/reb/4552511196.html

for further information.

Muchisimas gracias,

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Originally posted by Robinhood

David K - 7-6-2014 at 06:55 PM

Thanks Robinhood. Just ignore the sidebars or negative replies as best as you can, and keep posting. By deleting your opening post in this thread, it doesn't take away the whole thread, only makes the thread a puzzle for some.

You can ask Doug (BajaNomad) to move your re-post addition to the top, so it makes more sense... Or, just start a new thread with it. While it is in the correct 'classified ads' section, it is somewhat sad that people would want to ruin your sale instead of just asking questions about the sale to help you and Don & Nancy to complete the transaction.

Thanks David

Robinhood - 7-6-2014 at 07:11 PM

I don't want to bother the guy but I did start a new thread and it was combined in what you are reading now...if this can be fixed by him with a new thread ignoring all the bickering it would be a positive reinforcement.

If this sells via a contact made through the BajaNomads board I will show my appreciation to the Nomads Administrator for his perseverance in keeping this forum alive amidst all the nonsense.

And now back to the topic at hand:

http://bajasur.en.craigslist.com.mx/reb/4552511196.html

Saludos,

David K - 7-6-2014 at 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by Robinhood
I don't want to bother the guy but I did start a new thread and it was combined in what you are reading now...if this can be fixed by him with a new thread ignoring all the bickering it would be a positive reinforcement.

If this sells via a contact made through the BajaNomads board I will show my appreciation to the Nomads Administrator for his perseverance in keeping this forum alive amidst all the nonsense.

And now back to the topic at hand:

http://bajasur.en.craigslist.com.mx/reb/4552511196.html

Saludos,

Best of luck to you, Don & Nancy!

dorado50 - 7-6-2014 at 08:33 PM

So who is the real mayor of Mulege, chuckie or jc43????

chuckie - 7-6-2014 at 11:52 PM

Not me, there are term limits.....

mtgoat666 - 7-7-2014 at 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by toneart

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$30k/room asking price, with seller fixing unclear title, sounds like good initial asking price. But weather only allows 100 to 150 days/year high occupancy potential.

Mulegena - 7-7-2014 at 05:00 PM

I was at the Serinidad just yesterday evening.

Everything there was up to the hotel's excellent standards as always. The pool was sparkling and the adjacent bar was pouring tasty drinks.

I popped my head into a couple of rooms and they were charming, clean and beautifully appointed.

As I sat and chatted with a couple of new ladyfriends who always stay at The Hotel Serenidad on their travels, in walked Mr. and Mrs. Johnson beaming big smiles of happiness. They'd just then arrived home from a trip north. Don came 'round to each table and spoke personally with every guest as is his long-time custom.

Yes, the roads in and around the Serenidad are muddy. It's the rainy season in Baja and we had a thumper of a thunderstorm a few days ago. All a part of living in this magic little community that is Mulege that a very few of us have the privilege to call Home!

dorado50 - 7-7-2014 at 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by Mulegena
I was at the Serinidad just yesterday evening.

Everything there was up to the hotel's excellent standards as always. The pool was sparkling and the adjacent bar was pouring tasty drinks.

I popped my head into a couple of rooms and they were charming, clean and beautifully appointed.

As I sat and chatted with a couple of new ladyfriends who always stay at The Hotel Serenidad on their travels, in walked Mr. and Mrs. Johnson beaming big smiles of happiness. They'd just then arrived home from a trip north. Don came 'round to each table and spoke personally with every guest as is his long-time custom.

Yes, the roads in and around the Serenidad are muddy. It's the rainy season in Baja and we had a thumper of a thunderstorm a few days ago. All a part of living in this magic little community that is Mulege that a very few of us have the privilege to call Home!

Thanks for setting the record straight! :yes:

Kgryfon - 7-7-2014 at 05:37 PM

Robinhood, will it stay open until it sells or is it already shut down?

JC43 - 7-7-2014 at 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by Kgryfon
Robinhood, will it stay open until it sells or is it already shut down?

it always shuts down in Aug and / or Sept due to no business at all.

chuckie - 7-7-2014 at 06:13 PM

And you know that how? From your Skype Oracle?

Mulegena - 7-7-2014 at 06:43 PM

Krygfon, I was there yesterday evening enjoying me'self (see my post just above) and I've enjoyed many a dip in the pool throughout the whole of many summers. Some local businesses do close their doors in September when it's blistering hot here. The Serenidad has historically not been among them.

willyAirstream - 7-7-2014 at 07:00 PM

July, August and most of Sept is high season here. Cuesta Real is 100% booked those months, Hacienda Hotel is almost as busy and I would bet HOTEL SERENIDAD is also busy. Mexicans take vacations too. BCS advertises in TJ and Ensenada and the mainland. Bahia Conception is a big draw and any place with a pool does well. Once school is out, Mulege becomes busy again and the beaches have many visitors. Even in 100+ degrees. Also, HOTEL SERENIDAD has full time residents in their RV Park.

Paula - 7-7-2014 at 07:53 PM

We stayed at Serenidad on our first visit to Baja in Nov 2001. We loved Mulege and loved Serenidad. We loved Loreto a little more, and settled here. But from that first visit two hotels in Baja stay in my mind like a dream, Serenidad and Posada de Englebert in La Paz. Both are/were remnants of early Baja travel, and there isn't much of it left. Englebert is gone, and I hope Serenidad lives on with a new owner.

If I had a million dollars and a desire to go into a dream business I would buy it tomorrow. I hope the right person comes along, as we still like to go spend a night from time to time for old time's sake.

JC43 - 7-7-2014 at 08:39 PM

WillyAirstream is it possible that u r high these days b/c You call it High Season When all snowbirds are gone, those snowbirds which are making up 80% of all business in Mulege, that is high season?

All of the above statements are foolish , not to call them slimy, but definitely wrong.
How come that most - about 95% - US tourists, called 'snowbirds' for a reason, are leaving by April. Not coming back before October. And the gringos are making at least 80% of all the business in Mulege. How come that most shops in Mulege are closed @ that time? B/c you are right? and business is great? That's why the shops are closing down @ that time?
And when most businesses in town are closed that is called high season, right?
Gimme a break you guys. You are just lying on yourself.
And Serenidad is historically closed as well.
Yes, there are some RV tourists. Mexicans on the beaches and campgrounds as long as it is vacation time in Mexico. But by mid August when school starts again, all beaches are empty. Just go and look. You guys can't deny facts. Well, if you are stupid enough you do it anyway.
@ chuckie, you little D.A. (that does not mean District Attorney, but has something to do w/ your lower back) I am in Mulege w/o my wife @ this time to look at some properties.
But you have eaten the "Smart Pill" with a knife, right?

chuckie - 7-7-2014 at 09:01 PM

Well, law, son how you talk! Vanna looked good tonite in Yellow, I thought? Haysoos your attitude is quite common to underachievers with very small peni, so don't try so hard to impress. You may be accepted in spite of it. But I doubt it. Does your boyfriend know you are married?. I quite don't think I have ever read so much boooool sheice in one poorly written post! You obviously aint TOO smart or you wouldnt be looking at properties in a place like Mulege. Let us all know when your open house is, so we can bask in your aura...

Sept 2013

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freediverbrian - 7-7-2014 at 09:24 PM

I am with you CJ , a new thread on the subject would be welcome . Let the trolls go to the mud hole that is Off Topic and roll around in krap . Some say just don't read "those posts" but three pages are too much.

Where's my margarita?

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motoged - 7-7-2014 at 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by JC43
WillyAirstream is it possible that u r high these days b/c You call it High Season When all snowbirds are gone, those snowbirds which are making up 80% of all business in Mulege, that is high season?

All of the above statements are foolish , not to call them slimy, but definitely wrong.....

JC,
Your comments to Willy are way out of line.....he is a year round Mulege resident who seems to have integrated with the locals in a humble and helpful way....and, from my experience has absolutely no reason to make stuff up.

If you are a real person and not some mutant troll, you are certainly not starting up your Mulege life off in a healthy way. There are some duds in Baja, but you are picking on the wrong guys here.

And if Chuckie was in town, he would bring his pizza scarf gang and whip your arse or at least dump their bait bucket on your head....and if I was there I would join in....but Chuckie has warned Nomads that I bite :biggrin:

[Edited on 7-9-2014 by BajaNomad]

That is all

BeemerDan - 7-7-2014 at 09:44 PM

Serenidad is a wonderful place in Mulege, and I will always stop in on my way south. Why? Why not!

motoged - 7-7-2014 at 10:06 PM

Mulege + moto= fun

Dan, my first ride I took to Baja in '95:

Other rides have been on:

Too much crap:

Better tools:

Ride On

[Edited on 7-8-2014 by motoged]

willyAirstream - 7-7-2014 at 11:23 PM

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WillyAirstream is it possible that u r high these days b/c You call it High Season When all snowbirds are gone, those snowbirds which are making up 80% of all business in Mulege, that is high season? All of the above statements are foolish , not to call them slimy, but definitely wrong. How come that most - about 95% - US tourists, called 'snowbirds' for a reason, are leaving by April. Not coming back before October. And the gringos are making at least 80% of all the business in Mulege. How come that most shops in Mulege are closed @ that time? B/c you are right? and business is great? That's why the shops are closing down @ that time? And when most businesses in town are closed that is called high season, right?

I don't do drugs, but it sounds as if you need some. Where are you getting your "facts". They are not correct. Most shops are not closed, but do note that most restaurants are closed on Mondays and Tues, year round and that some shops close between 11 and 4 year round. One restaurant that caters to gringos does close for the summer.

Justin , JC43, I understand you are in Mulege at this moment from your u2u. Where are you staying? As you can see for yourself, most shops are not closed. As almost all gringos and a few Mexicanos in Mulege lurk on this board, ( as well as sellers ) be sure to introduce yourself to get the greeting you deserve. I have previously spent much time gathering info and photos on a piece of property for you and if you need futher assistance, I am busy. Enjoy your stay and while you are down here, please visit some other towns.

Here is a pic along the estuary, near the Serenidad.

sorry robin

chuckie - 7-8-2014 at 02:14 AM

He's not in Mulege, and likely wont be. Last week he thought it was on the mainland....Infantile troll, and hey Beemer Dan LOVE the black 1st trip beemer. I rode an R100rs down there several times...

chuckie - 7-8-2014 at 02:16 AM

Oops that was ED's bike...still nice, love the pipe treatment!!!

chuckie - 7-8-2014 at 05:40 AM

I think I may have been wrong about Haysoos not being in Mulege. He apparently was spotted slithering under a door somewhere. Be careful not to step on him..No, wait! Its OK.

Russ - 7-8-2014 at 08:59 AM

I'm confused... again
" From Jack at BBPilots
Just got off the phone with Don, he said that the Hotel is not for sale and he is working to find out exactly how the so called listing got put up and it is my feeling that once he finds out, the "Stuff" is going to hit the fan.
He told me to tell everyone that the weather is wonderful, the strip is in good shape, the fishing is unbelievable, and all is well in "Mulege Land"
Jack"
Some one else please talk to Don, in person. If Jack is correct there should be some people dragged through the Mulege Mud! But there must be some facts put forth before anyone goes off half c-cked. :?:

I don't know Jack but I know that the fishing nor the sticky weather is "wonderful"

[Edited on 7-8-2014 by Russ]

BajaGringo - 7-8-2014 at 09:21 AM

Wonderful weather is a relative thing. I love the weather year round out here on the NW Pacific coast of the peninsula. While it's perfect to me, others tell me that it is much too cold for their taste. Some people actually "enjoy" 100+ degree weather.

Me? I find myself opening the refrigerator a lot more often once the temps reach 80...

YMMV

willardguy - 7-8-2014 at 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Russ
I'm confused... again
" From Jack at BBPilots
Just got off the phone with Don, he said that the Hotel is not for sale and he is working to find out exactly how the so called listing got put up and it is my feeling that once he finds out, the "Stuff" is going to hit the fan.
He told me to tell everyone that the weather is wonderful, the strip is in good shape, the fishing is unbelievable, and all is well in "Mulege Land"
Jack"
Some one else please talk to Don, in person. If Jack is correct there should be some people dragged through the Mulege Mud! But there must be some facts put forth before anyone goes off half c-cked. :?:

I don't know Jack but I know that the fishing nor the sticky weather is "wonderful"

[Edited on 7-8-2014 by Russ]

whaaaat? so this is a bogus craigslist ad???? we said all those nice things about Don for nothing? :lol:

LancairDriver - 7-8-2014 at 10:27 AM

I have talked to a family member who was surprised to hear their hotel was for sale two days ago. I hesitate to speculate as to what is going on.

chuckie - 7-8-2014 at 10:36 AM

I think I have it figured out, but am withholding comment.

Calmate people....

Robinhood - 7-8-2014 at 11:06 AM

I sat with Don and his accountant yesterday and spoke to Nancy just now - the Hotel Serenidad is for sale definitely (as with all deals it is up to the sellers to change their mind until the contract is signed).

There was some reckoning about the sales price to account for 50 years of toil but it is still a great deal for somebody with some vision and enough cash to see the future come.

As with many things in business it helps to have an agent to unwind the details and present a pretty package to you. This particular gift has been through fifty years of Mexican history and has a few knots to untie leading to the sale. That's what I do for every client and try to iron out the wrinkles in the process to present you with a smooth deal.

I could tell you some stories about how many future problems I have recognized and worked out for clients before they have put the first dollar down. I work hard to make my clients get the best deal possible by saving them time, money, and hassle.

The final buyer (s) will have a iron-clad notarized deal that guarantees security for both the buyers and the sellers. That's the final word on that.

Saludos,

P.S. Doug I would love to put this ad in clean new thread?????? Is this possible? Like I said - If I sell this to a Nomad contact I would show my appreciation for your attention.

[Edited on 7-8-2014 by Robinhood]

capt. mike - 7-8-2014 at 12:09 PM

The reason it is closed in SEPT all month is to give the staff a month's vacation. The heat and humidity is brutal in Sept and with USA schools back in biz the fishing families are done with summer dorados.

I too got the email sourced from the chief of the BBP/BPI stating the conversation with Don. Puzzling at a minimum.

motoged - 7-8-2014 at 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by chuckie
Oops that was ED's bike...still nice, love the pipe treatment!!!

Chuckie,
My '81 R80 G/S was a sweetie.....RaceTech cartridge fork, Ohlins rear, Super Trap exhaust, ....sold it to buy the KTM 690 as it is a superior bike for the purpose.....but my sentimentality about previous airheads is strong. I also had a R100 RS .....best looking beemer ever made :saint:

Ged

capt. mike - 7-8-2014 at 01:28 PM

I flew into Serenidad countless times over summers and only was the strip a problem was right after one of the 3 latest major hurricane flood events. Otherwise normal summer rains drained quickly and you could always find a dry spot along the 3900 Ft to set down.

Cypress - 7-8-2014 at 01:49 PM

$1.5 mil. To me, that's some serious money. Especially since I don't have it.

4.5 is serious money to anybody but the potential is enormous

Robinhood - 7-8-2014 at 01:58 PM

Part of the talk with the accountant was to nail down a price the family would be comfortable with. After some thought about unrecognized assets and liabilities the price was adjusted accordingly.

This was a hard decision for the Johnson family because it has been a part of their whole lives and they had turned down many much higher offers in the past. However the market is what the market will bear.

The Craigslist ad reflects the new price and also includes acreage, houses, an R.V. park as it would be more convenient for the family to sell the package.

Lots of possibilities on the table so don't think inside the box here. Let your imagination wander about the possibilities of how the entire compound could be utilized by new investors.

:light:

[Edited on 7-9-2014 by Robinhood]

[Edited on 7-12-2014 by Robinhood]

chuckie - 7-8-2014 at 02:00 PM

Right now eleven bucks is serious! Ged? Next time we have a cold one, I'll tell you how I got the RS...

motoged - 7-8-2014 at 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chuckie
Right now eleven bucks is serious! Ged? Next time we have a cold one, I'll tell you how I got the RS...

I will buy the first round.....and tell you my RS story (dark grey w/ smoke; Krausers, Konis, and many smiles....sold it for the 1100 GS oilhead....)

I will be in Mulege early January/15....maybe we should meet at the Serenidad :light:

We can wear scarves :lol:

chuckie - 7-8-2014 at 02:55 PM

I'm up for that. I'll be there about the same time.Kids say I have to stay through Christmas, since I havnt had Christmas with them in 18 years.( my daughter keeps track). My RS was the same color had over 100K miles on it when I sold it, all mine. Stay well

mtgoat666 - 7-8-2014 at 04:22 PM

Quote:

I don't know Jack but I know that the fishing nor the sticky weather is "wonderful"

[Edited on 7-8-2014 by Russ]

sounds like the RE agent jumped the gun, eh? maybe that just goes to show the agent is an eager beaver!

chuckie - 7-8-2014 at 04:39 PM

Robin is eager, and good at what he does. I doubt he would do anything unethical...

Kgryfon - 7-9-2014 at 04:15 PM

I've noticed that scarves and pizza seem to be a recurring theme around Mulege...just saying...I'm sure there is a great story lurking somewhere that explains it all...

motoged - 7-9-2014 at 04:41 PM

Yep....short version from my view:

Last winter Mulege Nomads were raving about a local new pizza joint (since closed, unfortunately). One commented about the pleasure of "scarffing down the pie"....and another (who appears to have been living in a cave w/no internet or tweeting capabilities....or something) asked about "scarffing"....apparently confusing it with "scarves".

Good humour ensued and the weekly pizza fests had pizza-nomads playing with the idea of wearing a "scarf" to the "pizza scarffing".

Something like that....kind of a play on words thing.

Versions of the story may vary.....

I took advantage of this epicurian festivity by saying that I would be passing through town and would like to meet some Nomads through such a gustatory get-together. I had a chance to meet a half-dozen or so Nomads, eat some pizza, and enjoy myself.

However, I apparently disappointed some.....Pescador, for instance, said he was expecting me to be a guy in dreadlocks, but wouldn't expand on his expectation..... :?:

I was introduced to Chuckie in passing as he drove up for a brief chat with the others (as my recollection goes....but the names don't always connect with faces in my brain until used a few times....).

Sadly, I made the mistake later to describe the pizza as "pedestrian".....and I think that is when some Mulege Nomads put a bounty on my head for such a breach of etiquette.

Well, I have had time to get over it....and maybe a few others have too.....we will see when we convene for beers at the Serenidad in January to swap stories about the pleasures of putting a BMW between our legs for hours of pleasure on end :lol:

Hell, we might get along so well we might decide to buy the place, quell any and all false rumours about the mythical flood plain risks that worry local real estate agents/house-sellers (well at least one of them who has not yet darkened this thread with his bulky presence :biggrin:

).

If we do, the drinks are on the house for ALL Nomads for the first year commencing from completion of the sale. However, if we end up in a fist fight (or just swishing our scarves at one another) due to characteralogical differences, gastric reflux irritation, or just being born under a bad sign.....it is unlikely the sale will go through.....and no free drinks for you

Questions? :saint:

Kgryfon - 7-9-2014 at 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by motoged
Yep....short version from my view:

Last winter Mulege Nomads were raving about a local new pizza joint (since closed, unfortunately). One commented about the pleasure of "scarffing down the pie"....and another (who appears to have been living in a cave w/no internet or tweeting capabilities....or something) asked about "scarffing"....apparently confusing it with "scarves".

Good humour ensued and the weekly pizza fests had pizza-nomads playing with the idea of wearing a "scarf" to the "pizza scarffing".

Something like that....kind of a play on words thing.

Versions of the story may vary.....

I took advantage of this epicurian festivity by saying that I would be passing through town and would like to meet some Nomads through such a gustatory get-together. I had a chance to meet a half-dozen or so Nomads, eat some pizza, and enjoy myself.

However, I apparently disappointed some.....Pescador, for instance, said he was expecting me to be a guy in dreadlocks, but wouldn't expand on his expectation..... :?:

Questions? :saint:

Nope, no questions - you summed it up quite nicely, thanks! ...January, you say?

shari - 7-9-2014 at 05:08 PM

Oh that's rich...my new phrase for the day....characteralogical differences :biggrin:

motoged - 7-10-2014 at 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shari
Oh that's rich...my new phrase for the day....characteralogical differences :biggrin:

Shari,
Not sure it's in a dictionary, but it works.... :biggrin:

Bajahowodd - 7-10-2014 at 05:08 PM

Don is old. I've gotten the impression, whether it's just the money, or whatever, that Don's family is not emotionally invested in the place. The hotel is old and in need of a huge amount of restoration. With the exception of the lobby area, virtually everything has gone to seed. It's a great property, but it needs MAJOR help.

An investor with deep pockets might be able to salvage this as Don's legacy.

J.P. - 7-11-2014 at 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BajaGringo
Wonderful weather is a relative thing. I love the weather year round out here on the NW Pacific coast of the peninsula. While it's perfect to me, others tell me that it is much too cold for their taste. Some people actually "enjoy" 100+ degree weather.

Me? I find myself opening the refrigerator a lot more often once the temps reach 80...

YMMV

I can relate to Snooping in the refrigerator as my other half calls it she says I should have Frost Bite on my nose from sticking it in the refrigerator. :lol:

[Edited on 7-11-2014 by J.P.]

alacran - 7-12-2014 at 09:52 AM

The sale, is a hoax,as per DJ words yesterday.

Sighhhh

Robinhood - 7-12-2014 at 10:24 AM

I guess everybody else has it figured out.

They all must have spent hours with Don, Nancy, and the accountant like I did discussing the details of the sale and the desires of the owners. Then they probably spent another hour or two taking pictures with Don and putting it all up on the interweb and fielding calls from interested parties. Not to mention the time invested in meetings with the Ejido to uncover the requirements for a smooth transfer.

If there are any seriously interested parties please contact me though the Craigslist ad.

If Don has changed his mind in the last five minutes it is news to me. Thanks Alacran.

Have a pleasant summer,

Saludos,

mulegemichael - 7-12-2014 at 10:59 AM

you gotta remember, robin, there's a lot of experts on this board.

Sandlefoot - 7-12-2014 at 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mulegemichael
you gotta remember, robin, there's a lot of experts on this board.

Definition of an expert.

Lets break it down, we all know what an EX is!!! A has been, the last one, the one that once was, ect. Now a spert, that is what happens what a faucet fails, or a hose has to much air.

So an Ex spert is nothing more than a has been pulse of water! :no:

capt. mike - 7-15-2014 at 10:13 AM

I find this all too strange.
I know Alacran and he knows Don personally as a former resident of the trailer park before he built across the river.

If Don says no dice to him - well then.... ????????????

Robinhood - 7-15-2014 at 11:02 AM

Not that strange really.

The family changed it's mind several times as to the price and what they were interested in selling. It started with just the hotel and ended up as a larger offering.

They finally decided it would be in their best interests to try and sell the entire package which includes more acreage, houses, and an RV park. The most recent advertisement reflects their desires.

I would happy to bring them a qualified buyer and I have had calls asking for details but no serious offers on the larger deal.

Thanks for keeping this on top of the board.

chuckie - 7-15-2014 at 01:36 PM

Alalcran as in Marty that rents in Loma Azul?

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