BajaNomad - Mexican Fracking Foes Lose a Big Round

Mexican Fracking Foes Lose a Big Round

Gypsy Jan - 7-22-2014 at 09:57 AM

From FNS news service.

"Mexican opponents of the controversial method of extracting natural gas known as fracking lost an important battle in the Mexican Senate late last week. As part of a 91-26 vote that approved secondary legislation implementing the Pena Nieto administration’s energy reform, most senators rejected a measure that would have prohibited fracking.

Prior to the July 18 vote, the Mexican Alliance against Fracking, a grouping of environmental organizations, presented senators with a petition signed by more than 10,000 people that supported a fracking ban.
Nonetheless, a majority of senators from President Pena Nieto’s PRI party joined with lawmakers from the PAN and PVEM (Mexican Green) parties to reject an outright prohibition of fracking. Voting in favor of a ban were members of the PRD and PT parties.

Senator Pablo Escudero, PVEM representative, maintained that environmental studies in the United States, as well as the history of fracking in Texas, Louisiana, New Mexico and other states, showed that fracking could be done in a safe manner. To back up his case, Escudero referred to studies by University of California physicist Dr. Richard Muller, whose pro-environment arguments in favor of fracking have engendered sharp polemics.

Taking a stand against outlawing fracking in Mexico, PAN Senator Silvia Garza of Coahuila, who represents a state where large deposits of shale gas are said to be located, declared that economic development could not be stopped.

“I am against overregulation,” Garza said. “I am against the brake they want to put on this country.”

Chihuahua Senator Javier Corral, also a member of the PAN, begged to differ from the majority of his colleagues.

“One cannot affect the viability of the planet in the name of economic development,” Corral said. “(Fracking) will have devastating consequences in the state of Chihuahua, from the intensive use of water and its contamination, and from methane emissions that produce 21 times more greenhouse gases than does carbon dioxide.”

Corral continued, “Over there (Chihuahua), where rain is not plentiful, how will they bring the (water) necessary for drilling a well?”

Fracking proponents earlier got a boost from a prominent figure known for his environmental advocacy-Nobel Chemistry Prize winner Mario Molina.

In a recent comments to the Mexican press, Molina gave a qualified endorsement to fracking, saying it was a viable proposition as long as it was “done right.” Like Senator Escudero, Molina pointed to the United States (where opposition to fracking is growing), adding that enhanced gas exploitation had brought economic benefits.

“Let’s do it as it is done in the U.S.,” Molina said. “It varies a lot from state to state, but some are doing it very well. If it is not done right, it won’t last long. It’s being stopped in many countries.”

Passed in the Senate, the energy reform legislation, minus the anti-fracking measure, was sent to the lower house of the Mexican Congress for approval. Meanwhile, the Mexican Alliance against Fracking vowed to keep fighting against the extraction of shale gas. According a message posted on the activist group’s Facebook page, an additional 13,000 people signed the anti-fracking petition after it was delivered to senators last week."

For a recent, in-depth FNS report on fracking in Mexico, readers can check out:
http://fnsnews.nmsu.edu/fracking-fights-loom-large-in-mexico...

Additional sources: El Mexicano/El Sol de Mexico, July 19, 2014. Article by Bertha Becerrra. La Jornada, July 17 and July 19, 2014. Articles by Emir Olivares, Andrea Becerril and Enrique Mendez. Milenio.com, July 18, 2014. Article by Angelica Mercado and Omar Brito. Proceso/Apro, July 17, 2014. Article by Jenaro Villamil. El Universal, May 19 and July, 2014. Articles by Adriana Vallinas, Alberto Morales and Juan Arvizu.

Frontera NorteSur: on-line, U.S.-Mexico border news
Center for Latin American and Border Studies
New Mexico State University
Las Cruces, New Mexico

Whale-ista - 7-22-2014 at 10:33 AM

Wonder if anyone mentioned the enormous amount of water fracking requires, and the contamination of groundwater it leaves after the shale gas is extracted, and the fact in the US it is exempted from Clean Water Act oversight/regulations.

Que locura...

durrelllrobert - 7-22-2014 at 10:33 AM

That's a Fracking shame :spingrin:

micah202 - 7-22-2014 at 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by durrelllrobert
That's a Fracking shame :spingrin:

...indeed.....there's something about fracking in Mexico that REALLY has me worried.....perhaps it's something about it being particularly earthquake prone ,,,the particularly corrupt pollitical system,,,and the exceptionally voiceless state of the population.........fracking WILL bring some HORRENDOUS consequences in the name of ''you can't stop progre$$''.

...whoever cannot $ee that fracking i$ pretty much a la$t ca$h-grab in killing a planet mu$t be willfully blind!!!

.......''a majority of senators from President Pena Nieto’s PRI party joined with lawmakers from the PAN and PVEM (Mexican Green) parties to reject an outright prohibition of fracking. ''....what kind of -green- party is that,,,GREENBACK$$$???

...kudos to the standouts...or were they on holidays when the ga$ cartel$ were visiting?--clearly ALL WERE INFORMED about the water issues,,etc

[Edited on 7-22-2014 by micah202]

sancho - 7-22-2014 at 12:15 PM

There has been reports out of, Oklahoma, I believe, as to
the increase of quakes, POSSIBLY due to fracking. Up in the order
of 100's of quakes, compared historically to little activity. Coincidence? Probably not

bajabuddha - 7-22-2014 at 12:34 PM

Earthquakes are the last of peoples' worries. Entire communities are now without potable water even for agriculture due to the gas/infusions of natural aquifers from fracking. When you can walk into someone's house that's been there (and their families) for generations, light a bic lighter and set their sink on fire from the 'ane' build-up in their water pipes, their way of life is essentially over... and ours. The water they grow their agriculture with, water they use for their cattle, ALL water is now tainted with not only gasses but leached chemicals pumped in to unseat and unsettle all that locked gas.

I won't eat sweet corn from western Colorado ever again. Used to be Olatha corn was best in the West, and for the last 5 years tastes horrible. I quit buying entirely a few years back, and now ask where my veg's come from when I buy.

Big money rules, oil men rule, the mighty $Buck$ rules. A good Baja friend did a stint in local Canadian politics for a couple of years trying to battle the impending frack-vasion. There was no common-sense reasoning with the profiteers, only power-plays and pundit-ploys of who had the most dollars to buy their decisions. IF Mexico's mainland thinks it has bad water now, wait a few years. You will be able to cook and shower at the same time, and you can bet there'll be a whole lot less restrictions and controls over the ops than farther north.

Ahhh, to just get out in that little boat with a few Pacificos and just fish for a few hours.......

David K - 7-22-2014 at 09:32 PM

Drinking water tables are shallow and natural energy sources (fossil fuels) are VERY deep, otherwise water wells would all be spewing gas and oil.

Fracking is human technology that solves our energy needs in this period of converting from fossil fuel to some yet undiscovered or unrealized energy supply that can power all the things that fossil fuels power.

We can stop importing oil from countries that are less than friendly to all free people and have an economic boom (and not just in North Dakota and other fracking regions) by accepting high tech energy extraction methods.

Instead of listening to drama and name calling, put your country back on the top by supporting American (and Mexican) modern energy sources. :light:

micah202 - 7-22-2014 at 09:42 PM

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...Dave,,I'm pretty sure you'll be regretting that opinion sometime in the not too distant future....of course that's 'just my opinion'

[Edited on 7-23-2014 by micah202]

bajabuddha - 7-22-2014 at 09:58 PM

David, your sense of scientific awareness is only far exceeded by your good looks.

motoged - 7-23-2014 at 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by bajabuddha
David, your sense of scientific awareness is only far exceeded by your good looks.

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TMW - 7-23-2014 at 09:11 AM

There is a lot of fracking here in the Central Valley and the enviromentalist want it stopped by claiming it affects ground water. With the draught conditions in CA many believe it will. But there is no scienctific evidence showing that it does, at least not yet. DOGGER and other state agencies are monitoring it.

micah202 - 7-23-2014 at 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by TW
There is a lot of fracking here in the Central Valley and the enviromentalist want it stopped by claiming it affects ground water. With the draught conditions in CA many believe it will. But there is no scienctific evidence showing that it does, at least not yet. DOGGER and other state agencies are monitoring it.

...OMG...-really-!??
....so it's 'circumstance' that many places now can light their tapwater on fire,,and couldn't before fracking started in their area!?
...sounds like indu$try bafflegab....yah,,,and there's no'conclusive scientific evidence' that smoking effects your health,,either

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[Edited on 7-23-2014 by micah202]

TMW - 7-23-2014 at 09:33 AM

If you read my post it concerned the Central Valley. If you know of someone in the valley that lights their water with a match due to fracking give me a name or a city and I'll check it out. Just saying it happens don't cut it with me. If you have a reference to go to then post it.

micah202 - 7-23-2014 at 12:12 PM

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...okay,,a quick google shows these issues in Colorado ,Ohio,,Kansas,Wyoming,western Canada....ahh is Yuba County part of your central valley?....of course ,there's some possibility that it's a 'natural' occurrence-don't know the details,,,,,keep your head in the sand for nowif yer want

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/06/17/state-health-depar...

TMW - 7-23-2014 at 03:19 PM

["The filtration system that takes the methane out of the water at the mobile home park broke in April. Since then, neighbors have been too scared to turn on the shower."]

There is no mention of any relationship with fracking. This is exactly what happens when anti fracking people hear something like this they automatically pin it on fracking instead of waiting for test results. I may be wrong but I don't think fracking causes methane gas to get into the drinking water, it would be the chemicals in the water used for fracking. But as DK mentioned fracking takes place thousands of feet below the water table.

micah202 - 7-23-2014 at 03:22 PM

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....might as well 'agree to disagree'...believe it or not ,,I don't come here to pick arguments.

.....time will tell.......if it hasn't already.
...I look forward to the day we all err on the side of caution ,,,rather than commerce

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[Edited on 7-23-2014 by micah202]

TMW - 7-23-2014 at 03:26 PM

Oh well, by the way Yuba County is not in the Central Valley, it's north of Sacramento.

bajabuddha - 7-23-2014 at 03:52 PM

Two different statements claiming 'water tables and gas tables are thousands of feet apart' are flat wrong, misleading, and faux-babble. Each location is entirely different; in southwestern Wyoming I had a geologist tell me the oil-tables are only a few hundred feet deep, and in Mexican Hat, Utah they still pump oil from as shallow as 50 feet. Thirty miles east of there, it's four thousand feet down; so don't lump all into one category. Fracking is designed to shatter a LOT of rock to release gas, and the current theories (yes, just theories) of earthquakes show they pressurize and FRACTURE large areas of rock, not just a little bit, and the gas filters through once IM-permeable layers that are now PERMEABLE from fracking. Ain't just one well, either; the gas companies lease out several square miles of land and farms and acreage and do hundreds of wells at a time so the rock displacement is immense.

The sink-lighting trick, as well as stock-tank stink, bad coloration and total unusable once-culinary well water has been documented from Pennsylvania to Wyoming and Colorado, and several mid-western States. It's not a 'theory' like global climate change, it's a money-driven fact.

Don't lump 'those anti-frackers' all together like 'lib-tards'. Ostriches are pretty useless birds themselves.

bledito - 7-23-2014 at 05:26 PM

I've read somewhere that half or better of the return routes for the oil/gas fail within the first year of service. The wall is created during the drilling with a liquid mix that solidifies but is only about a inch thick a concrete type return pipe.

dtbushpilot - 7-29-2014 at 08:48 AM

http://local.msn.com/quake-shakes-mexicos-gulf-coast-1

Boy, it didn't take Mexico long to get on the "fracking bandwagon". :lol:

[Edited on 7-29-2014 by dtbushpilot]

David K - 7-29-2014 at 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajabuddha
Two different statements claiming 'water tables and gas tables are thousands of feet apart' are flat wrong, misleading, and faux-babble. Each location is entirely different; in southwestern Wyoming I had a geologist tell me the oil-tables are only a few hundred feet deep, and in Mexican Hat, Utah they still pump oil from as shallow as 50 feet. Thirty miles east of there, it's four thousand feet down; so don't lump all into one category. Fracking is designed to shatter a LOT of rock to release gas, and the current theories (yes, just theories) of earthquakes show they pressurize and FRACTURE large areas of rock, not just a little bit, and the gas filters through once IM-permeable layers that are now PERMEABLE from fracking. Ain't just one well, either; the gas companies lease out several square miles of land and farms and acreage and do hundreds of wells at a time so the rock displacement is immense.

The sink-lighting trick, as well as stock-tank stink, bad coloration and total unusable once-culinary well water has been documented from Pennsylvania to Wyoming and Colorado, and several mid-western States. It's not a 'theory' like global climate change, it's a money-driven fact.

Don't lump 'those anti-frackers' all together like 'lib-tards'. Ostriches are pretty useless birds themselves.

You see, here is a case where if you don't think a little about what was said, the reply can make up all sorts of variations!

1) I never said oil and water levels are always thousands of feet apart, that is just dumb.

2) You don't need to 'frack' where the oil is close, or easy to extract.

3) Fracking is technology that can access oil from places previously impossible to get oil from, and not anywhere near ground water we use for drinking.

It's a great new hope for American freedom and prosperity, and safe where ever it has been operating. Are some of you not happy until we are as poor as we can get and as dependent on the rest of the world for what we need?

bajabuddha - 7-29-2014 at 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by David K

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First David, I never mentioned you by name. Please, don't call me 'dumb'. I'm aware of the need of fuel, just that the eminent Powers That Be aren't conducting their work in a safe and proper manner, they've had carte blanche and need 'watchdogs', because money and power know no sympathy or care who they hurt for a profit. I'm not as concerned about running out of natural gas as I am water; it's a much more valuable resource. I'm happy my sink isn't catching fire. And you're only happy when espousing your 'American Freedom and Prosperity' philosophy; besides, it ain't your sink, well, farm or ranch........ yet.

David K - 7-29-2014 at 09:38 AM

Sorry, but since I didn't mention you by name, I didn't call YOU dumb.
Sorry if you don't like what I post, it isn't personal.
Have a nice day.

micah202 - 7-29-2014 at 09:52 AM

...principles over personalities,,,,,I'd say sure,yes,.....IF procedures and cautions are taken seriously,,then there's a -possibility- that -some- of the fracking procedure is more fruitful than damaging......BUT there's just WAYYYY too much evidence that fracking is being treated like the next goldrush,and all precautions are NOT being taken.
....it's definitely not a good sign that when people raise -serious- concerns in a highly democratic constituency such as canada and the US,they are treated with all the lawyer tactics and marginalization that's been brought to bear upon them.....I findit hard to believe that those fracking greediy idiot$ will suddenly start acting responsibly once they're let loose on mexico!! :no:

Sweetwater - 7-30-2014 at 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K
Sorry, but since I didn't mention you by name, I didn't call YOU dumb.
Sorry if you don't like what I post, it isn't personal.
Have a nice day.

I see the poster boy for idiocy has kicked into gear again. I'm sure he has lots of rig experience as a yard boy.

One of the initial fields fracked in Wyoming was in the area I grew up. There are multiple examples of ground water contamination of both fracing fluids and the well products, oil and gas. They dropped from 40 acre well pads to 10 acre pads and the land is dotted with pads. They are all connected by a spider web of dirt roads. And if you think having one of those roads available on public land is a good thing, try riding your moto towards an oncoming pumper truck who is driving 80 mph with gravel flying off both sides of his truck. BTW, did I mention that the test rates for the workers show 60% meth usage? Oil and gas booms come with a cost that I'm not willing to pay.....

Haha....you notice I didn't call anyone a real idiot so don't take it personally.... :lol:

bajaguy - 7-30-2014 at 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sweetwater
.......... BTW, did I mention that the test rates for the workers show 60% meth usage?

Had any sheetrock work done lately???

micah202 - 7-30-2014 at 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sweetwater

One of the initial fields fracked in Wyoming was in the area I grew up. There are multiple examples of ground water contamination of both fracing fluids and the well products, oil and gas.

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...yeh,,,but they're so much better now--only nicey nicey fracking! :yes:

bajabuddha - 7-30-2014 at 02:54 PM

George: "FRACK THE FRACKIN' FRACKERS."

Bonnie: "George, you say 'FRACK' too much".

George: "Frack you."

..... George Washington Hayduke and Bonnie Abzug in "The Monkey Wrench Gang".

micah202 - 4-28-2016 at 02:52 AM

referring back to the original post,,,,

........now that some time has passed,,, I'm hoping those senators in Mex are having some 2nd thoughts over fracking :barf:

........here's word from some of the same places they ....''showed that fracking could be done in a safe manner.''

http://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/do-fracking-activities-ca...

....definitely worth a watch. :wow:

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[Edited on 4-28-2016 by micah202]

elgatoloco - 4-28-2016 at 08:30 AM

Rock-n-Roll :saint:

Hope Gypsy Jan is OK. :dudette:

durrelllrobert - 4-28-2016 at 09:37 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Drinking water tables are shallow and natural energy sources (fossil fuels) are VERY deep, otherwise water wells would all be spewing gas and oil.

Fracking is human technology that solves our energy needs in this period of converting from fossil fuel to some yet undiscovered or unrealized energy supply that can power all the things that fossil fuels power.

We can stop importing oil from countries that are less than friendly to all free people and have an economic boom (and not just in North Dakota and other fracking regions) by accepting high tech energy extraction methods.

Instead of listening to drama and name calling, put your country back on the top by supporting American (and Mexican) modern energy sources. :light:

Anyone know the source of the LNG being brought in to the Seimpra Energy LNG plant just north of Ensenada by tankers? Wonder how much of that comes from fracking? How much of it is piped to the US?

[Edited on 4-28-2016 by durrelllrobert]

SFandH - 4-28-2016 at 09:47 AM

A 1/2 hour of reading about shale oil/gas fracking indicates there are three substantial environmental concerns:

1. A depletion of fresh water from the aquifers caused by the tremendous amounts of water needed to perform the fracking.

2. Pollution of the aquifers resulting from fracking waste water injection back into the ground. (A large percentage of the water used to perform the fracking comes back up polluted with the other chemicals used, this is the waste water.)

3. Earthquakes resulting from the waste water injection.

Also:

"The researchers [who hailed from Duke, Ohio State, Dartmouth, the University of Rochester and Stanford] say the source of the methane in homes they surveyed in Pennsylvania and Texas was not the act of hydraulic fracturing itself, but was due rather to cracks in the steel casing or flaws in the cement of the wells that are meant to protect groundwater sources from contamination. In other words, with adequate safety measures, these contaminations could be prevented."

http://www.newsweek.com/fracking-wells-tainting-drinking-wat...

elgatoloco - 4-28-2016 at 09:56 AM

Re: 'adequate safety measures'

Google 'fracking loophole'

F*^cking amazing :fire:

SOS

elgatoloco - 4-28-2016 at 09:59 AM

Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert

Most of it comes from Indonesia. Plant not being utilized fully.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Azul_LNG

micah202 - 4-28-2016 at 10:05 AM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

A 1/2 hour of reading about shale oil/gas fracking indicates there are three substantial environmental concerns::::::

....there's a 4th,, and it's a biggie.....

4...methane leak-off was thought to be ~1 or 2% of production..........
.... BUT IT'S MORE LIKE 6-8% OF PRODUCTION!!

.......thats a LOT of cow farts!

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=...

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[Edited on 4-28-2016 by micah202]

SFandH - 4-28-2016 at 10:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco

Re: 'adequate safety measures'

Google 'fracking loophole'

F*^cking amazing :fire:

SOS

That suks big time. It's incredible the fracking companies are exempt from the clean water laws and don't need to reveal the chemicals they are injecting into the ground - trade secrets you see.

Energy Policy Act of 2005

They wouldn't need the exemptions if it was a safe process.

gsbotanico - 4-28-2016 at 01:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

Oh well, by the way Yuba County is not in the Central Valley, it's north of Sacramento.

Yuba City is in the Sacramento Valley, the area drained by the Sacramento River. I went to school at UC Davis at the southern end of the Sacramento Valley and bordering the Delta region. South of the of the Delta is the San Joaquin Valley, the area drained by the San Joaquin River.

The whole area is called the Central Valley, from Redding in the north to Bakersfield in the south. I worked summers when I was in school and traveled most of the valley working on agricultural projects. One thing I know for sure is that it is HOT in the summer and hottest at the northern and southern ends. Coolest is the Delta region because breezes blow in from the San Francisco Bay area. Not taking a side in the the fracking controversy, only want to be clear on the geography.

micah202 - 4-28-2016 at 01:46 PM

...interesting to hear how DK and DT and the head-in-sand club are doing on this,,, now that it's 2 years later and true science is becoming hard to avoid and discredit.

...ahh,, f'gettit :barf:

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=75851

dtbushpilot - 4-28-2016 at 02:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by micah202

...interesting to hear how DK and DT and the head-in-sand club are doing on this,,, now that it's 2 years later and true science is becoming hard to avoid and discredit.

...ahh,, f'gettit :barf:

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=75851

What's interesting to me is that you have to dig up a 2 year old post to run back up the flag pole for you and the other "the sky is falling" group to salute. I was out fishing, you know, doing something.....how about getting off the couch and getting some fresh air, might find something interesting to do or see....or you can just stay there surfing the internet with the rest of the trolls, your choice....

Cisco - 4-28-2016 at 03:55 PM

The Mexican Government, by militarizing their police and privatizing many projects are in a position of power to do what they wish and line their pockets.

But, the people are fighting back, with more fervor than in the U.S. where the government has been successful in dividing the populace and egging them on to conquer themselves.

This article provides an outlook on the people vs the “haves” with their personal army.

https://itsgoingdown.org/deepening-police-violence-mexico-le...

I have wondered how it came to be that Mexico has such a human and natural resource potential undeveloped for the people and now have an inkling of the part the U.S. has played for the “haves” and is now playing with the oil resource.

Why 62 people in the world have the amount of wealth of the lowest one-half of all humanity; why a person in business in Mexico could become the richest man in the world.

It is becoming clear to me now, and the people are fighting back.

Several victories for social movements in Mexico were recounted in the Insumisión posted on March 17. This edition focuses on the state’s response, which in the first part of April has been expressed through two of the state’s inherent qualities: force and coercion.

https://itsgoingdown.org/insumision-state-responds-force/

“In between these companies and their loot, lies an impediment to the realization of surplus value—the dignified resistance of the people of Mexico, who in the face of continued repression, harassment, and violence, stand strong in defence of mother earth and their territory.”

bajabuddha - 4-28-2016 at 05:02 PM

Yup, go out, get some fresh air.... while it lasts. What was that valley in SoCal that had the methane leak? Let's go for a bike-ride! That is, while those retired on oil money go fishing.

I won't buy Olathe corn from western CO any more. I won't complain either, my faucet and sink isn't burning. My kids aren't suffering (or my parents, or neighbors, cows or crops). THE SKY IS FALLING! Therefore, bury your head in the sand because after all, it ain't your problem. Even though they have on film people's tapwater BURNING, hell..... get a life.

wessongroup - 4-28-2016 at 05:36 PM

Perhaps Mexico should look to this ... as a means of developing "power" .... as they have access to a rather large amount ... Wave action of the Ocean

Denmark has been moving on this, along with many other nations ... very interesting approach

agree with the negatives associated with "fracking" ... It's just common sense .... "For every action there is an equal and opposite re-action" ... and one is moving atoms around when "fracking" therefore Newton's Law would apply .... and some get to see, smell and taste the validity of this law ... another thing which may be of concern, most of the "majors" used dry wells for injection of their Hazardous Waste for disposal purposes which was allowed by the Federal Government ... couldn't burn, bury (landfill) or store it all ... costs and/or polution concerns long term

Say, maybe Japan should think about this, but then they don't have much in the way of Oil Fields and/or Natural Gas ... for the disposal of all that radioactive water which has accumulated "on site" over the past 5 years ... that would be the radio active water which DID NOT flow into the Pacific Ocean

Just checked the "Ice Wall" .... AP Interview: ***ushima Plant's New Ice Wall Not Watertight

Well so much for that idea .... I know lets just set tolerance higher for exposure ... that should do the trick :biggrin:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ap-interview-*...

[Edited on 4-29-2016 by wessongroup]

SFandH - 4-28-2016 at 05:44 PM

Fracking bans and moratoriums:

https://keeptapwatersafe.org/global-bans-on-fracking/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/12/18/where-com...

micah202 - 4-28-2016 at 06:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot

Quote: Originally posted by micah202

...interesting to hear how DK and DT and the head-in-sand club are doing on this,,, now that it's 2 years later and true science is becoming hard to avoid and discredit.

...ahh,, f'gettit :barf:

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=75851

...so you really don't mind if they frack under your frikken house!? ...even with growing -mounds- of proof that there's a huge issue??

Oh, I get it,, you'll just move to some other paradise. :wow:

micah202 - 4-28-2016 at 06:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha

Yup, go out, get some fresh air.... while it lasts. What was that valley in SoCal that had the methane leak? Let's go for a bike-ride! That is, while those retired on oil money go fishing.

I won't buy Olathe corn from western CO any more. I won't complain either, my faucet and sink isn't burning. My kids aren't suffering (or my parents, or neighbors, cows or crops). THE SKY IS FALLING! Therefore, bury your head in the sand because after all, it ain't your problem. Even though they have on film people's tapwater BURNING, hell..... get a life.

...tap water!!??......check THIS out!!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/river-fire-australia-mp-1.35503...

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