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Help – Robert Thomas Revalee A 68 yr old Sgt E5 USMC Has been in Jail in Ensenada for over 3 months Please Help if you can

Lilmikey7 - 9-15-2014 at 08:51 PM

This is posted for a friend whose contact information is at the bottom if there is anything you can do to help.

Robert Thomas Revalee Sgt E5 USMC, a Vietnam war hero disabled at the Battle of Hue. Robert is 68 years old and a long time resident of Oxnard California and San Quentin Baja Mexico. He has been in jail in Ensenada for over 3 months, held without bail and allowed only one phone call a month, no visitors. The American Consulate is aware of him, but has not contacted him.

Robert was in a car accident a few hundred yards from his San Quentin home. He was not at fault, but his insurance had recently lapsed. He had returned from renewing his license and plates in California and the insurance lapse was a short oversight.

Robert spent 6 weeks in hospital with a broken hip, broken knee and crushed rib cage. He was removed from the hospital to the Ensenada jail 3 months ago. He is wheelchair bound and has to rely on other prisoners for bathroom assistance, meals, etc.

Nobody has come forward to help this man and it is evident that he will die in prison if these conditions go on for much longer.

Any help whatsoever greatly appreciated. Does anyone know how to contact the Catholic nuns that visit prisoners in Ensenada? That might at least be an allowable visit.

Please contact either Greg Taylor 0115216161085761 or
Duffy Shropshire Senior Master Sargent USAF Retired 805-215-1356

[Edited on 9-16-2014 by Lilmikey7]

OMG !!

captkw - 9-15-2014 at 08:55 PM

anyone have the US CONSULate Number handy ???

Lilmikey7 - 9-15-2014 at 08:58 PM

The American Council is a joke, they have tried them and nothing is getting done

BAJA.DESERT.RAT - 9-15-2014 at 09:37 PM

Hola Lilmikey7,

there is a lady named CELIA DIAZ that has a service of which i currently don't remember the name of but will search my files again, she has a service that helps people like your friend that are in need and has contacts throughout baja to help people out.

i have subscribed to her service for years just in case and she was heavily promoted by an extremely known baja writer, GENE KIRA.

as i don't travel baja as much as before, i disposed of all my stuff.

i will post on nomads and other sites and will get back to you.

i am so sorry to hear about your friends delimna.

BIEN SALUD, DA RAT

OCEANUS - 9-15-2014 at 09:53 PM

Here's Celia's contact information:

http://www.binationalemergency.org/committee.htm

Celia Diaz
619-425-5080 phone
619-425-4531 fax
celia@bemcc.org
642 3rd Ave. Suite I
Chula Vista Ca 91910

BEST OF LUCK!

BAJA.DESERT.RAT - 9-15-2014 at 09:58 PM

Hola OCEANUS,

i thank you for your unbelievable super fast response. i will forward this info and will put it in an area that i will be able to find it if i need it in the future.

BIEN SALUD, DA RAT

BAJA.DESERT.RAT - 9-15-2014 at 10:08 PM

Hola Lilmikey7,

as you can see from the response from oceanus, please contact celia diaz and see what she can do for your friend.

Here's Celia's contact information:

http://www.binationalemergency.org/committee.htm

Celia Diaz
619-425-5080 phone
619-425-4531 fax
celia@bemcc.org
642 3rd Ave. Suite I
Chula Vista Ca 91910

over the years, she has helped so many people through her network throughout baja north and south and i hope she will be able to help your friend.

please keep us posted as to how this unfolds. thank god he wasn't carrying any illegal guns.

BIEN SALUD, DA RAT

Kgryfon - 9-15-2014 at 11:53 PM

I hope your friend turns out ok. I think you are not getting much response because your title about "another marine" may be putting some people off. We had a big debate here recently about the "other" marine that may have left some people a bit sensitive about the subject. Let's just say this is a person who is in need through no fault of his own and not try to tie him in with that other guy. Who shall remain nameless least we start another war. :coolup: You might want to re-title your post just to be on the safe side...

bajalearner - 9-16-2014 at 02:15 AM

I don't know what words to say for this man. I feel so bad for the guy. The situation is horrible.

DENNIS - 9-16-2014 at 07:32 AM

I'm surprised at the consulate response. They have, I know, a reputation for staying out of these things, as they aren't a defense agency, but they do get in touch personally with US citizens in jails, and will make necessary phone calls. I know this for a fact.

bacquito - 9-16-2014 at 07:54 AM

What happened to the other people involved in the accident?

Maron - 9-16-2014 at 07:56 AM

thoughts and prayers for Sgt Revalle

bajalearner - 9-16-2014 at 09:01 AM

I wonder if the consulate responds according to the US citizen's culpability in an incident. In this case the man did not have proof of auto insurance. Does the consulate give weight to the facts of a case or rush to help every American equally?

Lilmikey7 - 9-16-2014 at 01:32 PM

This what happened, Bob me and my dad were having dinner and bob only had one drink and fish dinner. we all left then bob went home and the next thing bob call's my dad to come help him while i was at the front office talking to a friend.. when my dad came home he told me the story.. Bob was driving home and the other guy was racing home in the other direction.

Well this guy got into bob's lane and hit him and the guy calls his friends at the old mill to come get him which they did B4 the police got there. My dad and two other ppl. that we new were there. But this guy that hit bob is VERY well connected and works for Dricoll's In San Quintin and is good friends with the chief of police and he knows Los Pinos The Rodriguez's Brothers. This guy has been in trouble B4 but gets out of it. The chief of police has it out for bob and is saying all this stuff about him that is not true.. They are making this bigger than what it is.

Robert Thomas Revalee, 68 year old retired American vet left in Ensenada jail over 3 months.In auto accident and confined to wheel chair.Needs medical help!

Lilmikey7 - 9-16-2014 at 04:07 PM

Robert Thomas Revalee, SGT E5 USMC a Vietnam war hero permanently disabled with back injuries from the war.He
is presently in jail in Ensenada Baja Mexico, and has been for over 3 months.And yes held without medical help or bail.
He was in an auto accident which broke his hip knee and ribs. He has been in a wheel chair every day since.
Unfortunately he was in an accident with a very well connected employee of Driscolls strawberries and other berries.
The American Consulate has did nothing in his behalf. No one has offered any help in this matter. Yes he has a good
attorney and he is doing what he can. Trying to get a court hearing.But when you are going against a powerful man like
Louis Ernesto Guarbara Salcedo, with other incidents of drinking and driving in the past, you are going against a block
wall with no help.
Would appreciate any help in this matter.
Contacts,- Duffy Shropshire 805 216 1356
Greg Taylor 616 108 5761- 616 165 6068
Thank You

Bob53 - 9-16-2014 at 04:18 PM

So why is he being held? Was he intoxicated? Did he injure or kill someone? Was it his fault? And does the fact that he served in the military decades ago supposed to give him special treatment?

mojo_norte - 9-16-2014 at 05:34 PM

Hmm - could this be a troll post for someone missing the Jailed Marine Pt. 1 Post?

If not , Bob has been deemed guilty by the powers that be - with no witnesses unlikely to reverse that - and with no insurance needs to negotiate a liability settlement figure ( probably a new truck for the local) . The fact that he's an X Marine has no bearing on anything.

Kgryfon - 9-16-2014 at 05:38 PM

I don't think this is a troll. He's trying to get some help for his friend.

mojo_norte - 9-16-2014 at 06:05 PM

so there must be official charges that can be addressed by the attorney - what might they be ? in the case of a car accident with no injury it's a mater of the guilty party paying the other party for loss .

DENNIS - 9-16-2014 at 07:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Lilmikey7
But when you are going against a powerful man like
Louis Ernesto Guarbara Salcedo, with other incidents of drinking and driving in the past, you are going against a block
wall with no help.


For conversation purposes, I'll assume he, Mr. Revalee, was drinking.
If the other driver sustained injuries, the charges are compounded.
Mr. Revalee needs a different attorney. His condition would mitigate the charges, but only an attorney can argue that with a judge, and should have happened long ago.
I'm guessing his attorney is court appointed, or worse, a low paid freelancer waiting for better pay.
Mr Revalee may be responsible for damages to the other driver, if there are any.
We can only make uneducated assumptions at this point, and that is senseless.

The American consulate will have all pertinent details, so an attorney should inquire there to be brought up to speed.

I feel bad for Mr. Revalee. He is in a bad spot. I hope he has friends.

DENNIS - 9-16-2014 at 08:17 PM

The story:


Rechazan de cárcel a detenido enfermo
Por Luis Miguel Ramírez/EL VIGÍA

La Dirección de Seguridad Pública Municipal (DSPM), solicitará la intervención de las autoridades competentes para garantizar la atención para un ciudadano estadounidense, quien ayer resultó afectado por la descoordinación entre instancias médicas y penitenciarias.




Se trata de Robert Thomas Revelle, de 67 años, presunto responsable de daños y homicidio culposo en un choque de dos vehículos ocurrido el pasado 10 de junio en el Valle de San Quintín, pero este hombre de la tercera edad por tercera ocasión fue rechazado en el Centro de Reinserción Social (Cereso).

Con base en la información obtenida por El Vigía, este veterano de la guerra de Vietnam no fue admitido en la cárcel porque se fracturó la cadera; además, tiene antecedentes de patología crónico-degenerativa, riesgo de embolismo por tratamiento post operatorio y padece inestabilidad cardiaca.

Luego de que el sexagenario fue dado de alta del Hospital General de Ensenada, los policías municipales solicitaron una ambulancia para trasladarlo al penal, pero como lo rechazaron fue reingresado al nosocomio por gestión de los mismos agentes.

El argumento de los responsables del Cereso es que no cuentan con la infraestructura necesaria para recibirlo por su historial médico, el riesgo post operatorio y ser propenso a un infarto.

El pasado 12 de junio, El Vigía publicó que Revelle había sido trasladado a bordo de distintas patrullas a varios centros hospitalarios de San Quintín, sin recibir la atención médica que necesitaba.

http://www.elvigia.net/general/2014/7/14/rechazan-carcel-det...

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Google translation:

By Luis Miguel Ramirez / THE LOOKOUT

The Municipal Public Security Directorate (DSPM), request the intervention of the authorities to provide care for an American citizen, who yesterday was affected by the lack of coordination between medical and prison authorities.




This is Robert Thomas Revelle, 67, allegedly responsible for damages and wrongful death in a collision of two vehicles occurred on June 10 in the Valley of San Quintin homicide, but this man older third time was rejected in Center for Social Reinsertion (Cereso).

Based on the information obtained by The Watcher, this veteran of the Vietnam War was not admitted in jail because broke her hip; also have a history of chronic degenerative disease risk for postoperative embolism treatment and suffers cardiac instability.

After the sixties was discharged from the General Hospital of Ensenada, local police requested an ambulance to transfer him to the prison, but rejected as was readmitted to hospital for management of these agents.

The argument is that responsible Cereso not have the capacity to receive his medical history infrastructure postoperative risk and be prone to a heart attack.

On 12 June, the Watch reported that Revelle had been transferred to different patrols aboard several hospitals in San Quentin, without any medical attention he needed.

Kgryfon - 9-16-2014 at 10:49 PM

Lilmikey, this indicates that someone died in this accident, and that Mr. Revelle was responsible. Is this accurate?

DENNIS - 9-17-2014 at 07:18 AM

It is accurate. This link came to me with a cover story that I will not forward, but the details are damning.
Let the system sort it out and save your concern for another time and case.

Taco de Baja - 9-17-2014 at 07:35 AM

If someone died in the accident, as it appears from the article (an important fact that was left out of the original post), and Mr. Revelle let his insurance lapse, he's out of luck. Remember in Mexico you are guilty until proven otherwise.

If he had insurance, at least he'd have some legal representation from the insurance plan as well as a way to pay the family of the person who died (even if the accident was not "his fault"). Unfortunately, unless he has a lot of money to begin with, he's staying in jail for a while. This is a good example of why to have up to date insurance if you're going to drive in Mexico.

If someone did die, it helps explain his treatment a little better. But I am wondering if the driver in the other vehicle is also in jail? Or is he the one who died?

DENNIS - 9-17-2014 at 07:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Taco de Baja

If he had insurance, at least he'd have some legal representation from the insurance plan as well as a way to pay the family of the person who died (even if the accident was not "his fault"). Unfortunately, unless he has a lot of money to begin with, he's staying in jail for a while. This is a good example of why to have up to date insurance if you're going to drive in Mexico.




Insurance is nullified if the driver is drunk.
Energy here would be better spent worrying about the weather.

pacificobob - 9-17-2014 at 07:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by captkw
anyone have the US CONSULate Number handy ??? [/quote)




don't even imagine for a minute that the us consulate give a s##t about us citizens in trouble abroad , vets or otherwise....witness how they did nothing to seek the release of the kidnapped journalists in Iraq....but oh-so-willing to go to war after they have been beheaded...

[Edited on 9-17-2014 by pacificobob]

Marita-LosOlivos - 9-17-2014 at 12:45 PM

I just want to clear up that there was NO ONE killed in the car accident!!!
I was at the accident scene about 5-10 minutes after the accident, it happened right next to my house. There was NO ONE killed!! There was a man on the phone with the cops, explaining the accident scene, he said & I heard, "No, there are no deaths, one man is injured" That one man was Bob. He was badly hurt. The man driving the other car had been taken out of the car and driven to the hospital before the cops showed up.
I have no idea if Bob had insurance or not, I do not know why he is being held in Ensenada. The other man was in the hospital a couple days and was let out. He is out and about like nothing happened.
I have also spoken to a lawyer about what I saw that night. It will take a little while longer but I hope we can get Bob out of jail.

****Also no one was given a breath test and police reports say it was an accident, and no one was drunk.

[Edited on 9-17-2014 by Marita-LosOlivos]

[Edited on 9-17-2014 by Marita-LosOlivos]

David K - 9-17-2014 at 01:47 PM

So the newspaper lied about the accident and a man is held for killing another, when the other is "out and about like nothing happened" ?

Marita-LosOlivos - 9-17-2014 at 02:20 PM

Yes the news paper lied! There were no deaths, none at all! The paper gets their info wrong all the time, ask any Mexican and they will tell you the paper never has its facts straight. No one died. I was there, I heard the calls to the police, I heard people say, there were no deaths only one injured.
Yes the other man is out and about doing what he does best, whatever that is.

Bob53 - 9-17-2014 at 02:20 PM

Fishy

Marita-LosOlivos - 9-17-2014 at 02:28 PM

Fishy, it is way beyond fishy.

bajabuddha - 9-17-2014 at 02:54 PM

Most of us do believe you, Marita. If the Mexicanos involved are locally connected, the marine's arse is grassed. A few posters like the taste of their own sandals.

willardguy - 9-17-2014 at 03:06 PM

amarillo journalism. gotta sell papers. :no:

mtgoat666 - 9-17-2014 at 03:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Marita-LosOlivos
Yes the news paper lied! There were no deaths, none at all! The paper gets their info wrong all the time, ask any Mexican and they will tell you the paper never has its facts straight. No one died. I was there, I heard the calls to the police, I heard people say, there were no deaths only one injured.
Yes the other man is out and about doing what he does best, whatever that is.


reporting wrong info is not lying. just saying.

anyhow, i see a number of posters here are posting the version of the story they know. and i see that none of the stories are the true and whole story.
perhaps the other person died later?
what interest does the cop and state govt have in jailing someone to exact revenge for another? the cop and govt would have to be pretty stupid.
why would a middle class person be seeking such harsh revenge over a traffic accident?
none of the stories told to date make any sense.
someone want to make up a better story that is more believable????

anywho,... a good reminder to drive a safe and sane speed, as traffic accidents are never very fun, eh?

DENNIS - 9-17-2014 at 03:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666

why would a middle class person be seeking such harsh revenge over a traffic accident?


I was under the impression that he was in a family of the rich and powerful. That could explain most of everything.

mtgoat666 - 9-17-2014 at 03:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666

why would a middle class person be seeking such harsh revenge over a traffic accident?


I was under the impression that he was in a family of the rich and powerful. That could explain most of everything.


does not make sense. why didnt the guy just get a new car and move on with life?
the story makes no sense, so is probably wrong. like most stories in nomadlandia, there are kernels of truth is a matrix of poo

DENNIS - 9-17-2014 at 05:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
why didnt the guy just get a new car and move on with life?


The rich and powerful can be more vindictive than magnanimous, I suppose.
Maybe he's just a well trained gringo hater?
Who knows?

Marita-LosOlivos - 9-17-2014 at 05:55 PM

MTGOAT666 wrote this..........

reporting wrong info is not lying. just saying.

anyhow, i see a number of posters here are posting the version of the story they know. and i see that none of the stories are the true and whole story.
perhaps the other person died later?
what interest does the cop and state govt have in jailing someone to exact revenge for another? the cop and govt would have to be pretty stupid.
why would a middle class person be seeking such harsh revenge over a traffic accident?
none of the stories told to date make any sense.
someone want to make up a better story that is more believable????

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I did not make up any story. If my story is not believable to you, then whatever. JUST SAYIN......

Anyways, like I said before I was at the accident scene, mine is not a story of what I THINK I know or from what I heard from other people.

Oh and just so you know, the other person did not die later. He is alive and well. Actually he and his wife were out of town yesterday celebrating Sept 15th. I am sure you are gonna ask how do I know.....ha, ha, ha. I know people who know people, is that a good enough answer for you?? I have asked for months how the other person is, & people have told me he is doing very well.

You asked this "why would a middle class person be seeking such harsh revenge over a traffic accident?"
I have asked myself that question MANY times. The other person is well off, but he is suing Bob for every cent he spent in the hospital, and to get another car, even though the car the other person was driving was the "company car"
You are right none of this makes sense. How do you think we feel as we try to understand why Bob is being punished so harsh for a car accident.


You said a "what interest does the cop and state govt have in jailing someone to exact revenge for another? the cop and govt would have to be pretty stupid."

It is a known fact that when people hand out cash to keep people quiet or to change a story, it usually works in their favor.

Maybe my "story" is not believable to you, but this is what we have been dealing with since the night of the accident. Bob needs to get out of jail & into a hospital ASAP.

[Edited on 9-18-2014 by Marita-LosOlivos]

[Edited on 9-18-2014 by Marita-LosOlivos]

[Edited on 9-18-2014 by Marita-LosOlivos]

bajaguy - 9-17-2014 at 06:01 PM

Where did the accident happen (locaton) and who was deemed at fault???

Marita-LosOlivos - 9-17-2014 at 06:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Where did the accident happen (locaton) and who was deemed at fault???



The accident happened in San Quintin on the Old Mill road.
Bob was blamed for the accident.

bajaguy - 9-17-2014 at 06:12 PM

OK, thanks
Quote:
Originally posted by Marita-LosOlivos
Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Where did the accident happen (locaton) and who was deemed at fault???



The accident happened in San Quintin on the Old Mill road.
Bob was blamed for the accident.

mojo_norte - 9-17-2014 at 06:27 PM

Bob was in an accident . Bob is being blamed for the accident (possibly vehicular homicide) . Bob has a lawyer but the lawyer has let Bob rot in jail for 3 months with no visitation. Bob needs new better lawyer. Bob will need lots of cash to get him out of this . If you are sincere about helping Bob I would suggest you start talking to lawyers and trying to raise money.

BajaGringo - 9-20-2014 at 08:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Lilmikey7
Well this guy got into bob's lane and hit him and the guy calls his friends at the old mill to come get him which they did B4 the police got there. My dad and two other ppl. that we new were there. But this guy that hit bob is VERY well connected and works for Dricoll's In San Quintin and is good friends with the chief of police and he knows Los Pinos The Rodriguez's Brothers. This guy has been in trouble B4 but gets out of it. The chief of police has it out for bob and is saying all this stuff about him that is not true.. They are making this bigger than what it is.



I know of one such case recently where a tourist was involved in an accident locally, resulting in the death of a Mexican citizen. There are many different online news reports that Robert Thomas Revelle is in jail right now, being held for vehicular manslaughter and I too assumed that it was Robert who was involved in that accident.

Since our internet was out yesterday, I went into town to run some errands and started asking some questions. I was able to rather quickly determine that Robert was NOT involved in the accident that resulted in a death. In fact that accident had occurred weeks before the accident in which Robert was involved. I also learned that case had been dismissed as his family came down, immediately hired an attorney and reached a financial settlement quickly with the family of the deceased. He was released and back in the US within less than 10 days of being arrested.

Robert's case is another ball of wax.

The man who Robert hit was driving a new, expensive vehicle, owned by Driscolls - a company vehicle. As such it was fully insured and as a result of the accident, not only did the insurer have to pay for the cost of a new, replacement vehicle but also pay for all the associated emergency medical costs and care for the driver of the vehicle, an engineer who works for BerryMex - a division of Driscolls.

This legal matter is now in the hands of the insurance company, who is pursuing the case against Robert for drunk driving, causing body and property damages. They want to recuperate their losses. The vehicle was new and all together it will probably take around $50K USD more or less.

Neither Driscolls, their employee driving the company vehicle or the Rodriguez family is involved in any way in trying to keep Robert in jail.

sd - 9-20-2014 at 08:34 AM

BajaGringo - thanks for this explanation. I love my Baja trips, and would be concerned if I were ever in an accident. Of course I carry good insurance, and hope it covers anything needed. I was curious about the details of this accident, and nice of you to spend your time to help.

David K - 9-20-2014 at 08:44 AM

Thank you BajaGringo! I think we all can appreciate the facts here and are very fortunate that you are so active in the San Quintin area and communicate with the rest of the 'Baja-loving' world about events there.

Perhaps BajaGeoff can verify, but even if he had insurance in force, if Robert Thomas Revelle was drinking himself drunk and then drove... he violated the policy? Would liability still be covered?

bajabuddha - 9-20-2014 at 08:45 AM

It's common knowledge since day 1 (of Our Lord) that Mexican Insurance is a 'get out of jail FREE' card, more or less. You'd better have it. If not, and you injure or kill a National, you will be put in jail until the fines/fees are paid. It sounds like a classic case of "It will never happen to me" syndrome. Unfortunately, it did. Mexico has a NO TOLERANCE law on alcohol; you drive and have one beer it's illegal, period.

A few years ago a beach buddy rolled his truck. No other vehicles, no major injuries, just some road rash and aches. He told the cop he'd had 'a beer' and the Federale scared the bejeezus out of him, but mordida was agreed on, and he was free to go, NO TICKET because it was single-car, and he had insurance, which after much wrangling did pay off... some. We were told of the laws at that time, that if a local citizen was involved and injured, it would be jail and the insurance company would be the arbitrator.

So, no insurance, he's responsible for all, and will remain so until all costs incurred are taken care of. Lesson learned for ALL that travel Baja (or all Mexico) don't let your insurance lapse. EVER. Same goes with the tourist card (FMM) if you don't got it and need it, you're in deeper trouble. This thread is a fundraiser to help him with his fines and penalties.

BajaGringo - 9-20-2014 at 08:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Perhaps BajaGeoff can verify, but even if he had insurance in force, if Robert Thomas Revelle was drinking himself drunk and then drove... he violated the policy? Would liability still be covered?



Very good question...

bajalearner - 9-20-2014 at 10:16 AM

I certainly make mistakes. It's stories like this one that cause me to; 1, buy insurance, 2, plan not to drive drunk and 3, try to teach my kids the same.

It's so easy to criticize another for drunk driving, but there have been times I have been beyond the legal limit but did not; hit another car, tear the side of a cruise ship open, get into a fight, loose senses and get hurt...

And there, except by the grace of THOUGHT and LUCK, go I. It's a tragedy.

As a kid, I heard stories of people diving into shallow pools and getting paralyzed. It went in one ear and stuck, thankfully. Recently, I saw a story of a man who did that when in his twenties and with a wife and 3 kids. He was in a bed for many years and today in his 60;s he has a wheel chair with a straw for movement.

Some instantaneous choices can cause tremendous pain. BTW, the man's story was on TV because he was scammed out of $250 thousand dlrs. (all he had) by an investing consultant to ran away with the $.

Lilmikey7 - 1-23-2015 at 09:35 PM

I want to thank everyone for helping but my friend who has been wrongfully incarcerated here in SQ for over 7 months is now free and at his family home in the United States. He will be going to the nearest VA hospital where he will finally get the medical attention he has desperately needed for all these months, thank God and hopefully it is not too late