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Bob Dylan describes the reason we are in Baja

EnsenadaDr - 10-7-2014 at 07:39 PM

Was watching some old videos tonight and stumbled across the video of Bob Dylan singing "Hey Mr. Tambourine Man". Not only was he a great musician, but his lyrics are stunning and beautiful, especially the last two verses of this song that probably describes the reason we all are drawn to Baja:

Then take me disappearin' through the smoke rings of my mind
Down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves
The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow

Yes to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free
Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands
With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves
Let me forget about today until tomorrow

Enjoy this video, when the world was young and a kinder gentler and most of all simpler place...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeP4FFr88SQ

bajacalifornian - 10-7-2014 at 07:46 PM

Nice to hear from you . . .

Maron - 10-7-2014 at 08:19 PM

Yes, from one that is 68 years old, "those where the days"

peace

sancho - 10-7-2014 at 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
but his lyrics are stunning and beautiful,

No doubt, I can probably sing along with most of his songs,
kinda grew in that era. There was some disjointed lyrics as
admitted by him as well ' When a bowling ball came down the
road and knocked me off my feet' and a more notable one
' They asked me for some collateral and I pulled down my
pants', not being sarcastic, I get your drift, Baja is good for
the soul, where you been anyway?

EnsenadaDr - 10-7-2014 at 08:28 PM

Believe it or not, I haven't had much to say lately. When I do, you will hear from me.

Thanks ens doc

captkw - 10-7-2014 at 08:56 PM

4/5 years ago I won two tickets to see bob at the greek theater...Freakin ALSOME !!! Thanks KPIG !! and last week I missed Gordon lightfoot here (santa Cruz ca) at a small venue

wessongroup - 10-7-2014 at 10:44 PM

The use of music ....

What can one say, it is a personal expersonal experience buy the individual in many cases ...

For me, thanks

nothing loud, yet, get's the point across .... very strongly

anyone staying up for the "moon" ..

redhilltown - 10-7-2014 at 11:32 PM

Oh Wesson...one of my favorite scenes from any movie...and one of the most under rated of all time! Sheriff Baker (Slim Pickens) dying, looking out at the at the river he was going leave town on...

"What you want, and what you get are TWO different things."

bajalearner - 10-8-2014 at 08:00 AM

30 years ago, (I can't believe 30 yrs) I worked in Malibu CA for 2 months and found Bob Dylan's house to be on a couple acres (I'm guessing) of untouched land with a modest looking un-manicured house in the middle. Somehow I was not surprised at the place Bob called home (or possibly one of his homes, I don't know) but it was a sight as striking as his music because of the surrounding big money real estate. Real and honest. So, I agree, Bob would fit, in Baja.

Not far away, Johnny Carson's place was the opposite. Perfect but for a 50's something coupe parked in a corner on the property that the gate guard told me was Johnny's first car and he kept around but didn't drive.

EnsenadaDr - 10-8-2014 at 08:39 AM

Very interesting replies Bajalearner and captkw. The Greek Theatre is an awesome venue however I have been reading it is in financial jeopardy and I would have done anything to see Gordon Lightfoot, "Sundown".

Bajalearner, I am not surprised at the modesty of Bob Dylan's home. He was definitely different but it takes difference in this world to become a standout and become an icon in the music world. It's the guy that always wants to fit in that doesn't live to his full potential.

KurtG - 10-8-2014 at 08:54 AM

"kinder, gentler." Sorry but the memory of this 70 year old begs to differ. 50,000 of my contemporaries killed in Vietnam and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese. A million or more killed by the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. 1968 Chicago riots at the Democratic Convention in Chicago. Violent civil rights struggle in the South. The Gulags in the Soviet Union. I certainly don't remember those days as kinder or gentler and frankly I don't think the overall human condition has changed much for the better.

micah202 - 10-8-2014 at 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by KurtG
I certainly don't remember those days as kinder or gentler and frankly I don't think the overall human condition has changed much for the better.

.....good point KG...perhaps call -us- .... 'simpler,,stoopider' back then
. ,,,or at least 'young and naive' :rolleyes:

[Edited on 10-8-2014 by micah202]

motoged - 10-8-2014 at 09:43 AM

Folks,
It was all of that !

Dylan provided a voice for the vision.....the politicians and corporations sang quite a different tune.

"Come gather 'round people, wherever you roam....and admit that around you the waters have flown...."

Something like that :cool:

EnsenadaDr - 10-8-2014 at 10:35 AM

I think KurtG, when we were younger and life was much simpler for us as teens and children where we weren't directly responsible for the war in Vietnam and our parents did the worrying for us. Of course at the time we thought things were a big deal if we didn't get the shoes or clothes that everyone else was wearing. And at the time, we didn't appreciate all of the things our parents did for us and the carefree afternoons cruising around with our friends. Those were the days!!

Cisco - 10-8-2014 at 11:00 AM

Desolation Road, Bob Dylan. He Predicted All of This

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=47127&pag...

DENNIS - 10-8-2014 at 11:18 AM

The most famous song Dylan never sang:

"Knockin' On Reality's Door."

Cisco - 10-8-2014 at 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
The most famous song Dylan never sang:

"Knockin' On Reality's Door."

As Tony pointed out on: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=47127&pag...

He has never had to.

"MitchMan,

I am enjoying your perspectives in this string. I think you "get" Dylan. :yes:

Dylan, the man scoffs at the idea of being a philosopher, and he will not/is incapable of taking on that role publicly. Dylan, the songwriter/singer is a philosopher/psychic.

As an artist, he is a medium. Universal messages pass through artist/mediums and they, themselves, could not tell you where their ideas came from. :light:

His concentration and artistry has always been the music. When artists evolve and change, i.e. when he went electric, the public usually resists. They don't like change. All Dylan really wanted to do was to improve as a singer.

In retrospect, his evolution has been good, and successful! It is not necessarily better...just different. I think the difference is; he changed from a poet to an improved singer; more melodic and musically more mature.

What he did in the beginning is great in its own right.That is still my favorite Dylan. It stands alone and apart, and really shouldn't be compared with his mid-career and later work. His early work embodies a whole era. It is representative of the 60s generation. Everybody relates to it.

For most, it conjures good memories...nostalgia, if you will. :bounce:

For others, it represents a political, reactionary conservatism; an era to be reviled. :barf:

They are stuck/frozen in that mindset. We, as much as they try to pigeon hole us as stereotypes, have moved on. :yes:

EnsenadaDr - 10-8-2014 at 12:01 PM

are you sure it's not knockin' on heaven's door? I don't see a listing for reality's door by Dylan.

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Originally posted by DENNIS
The most famous song Dylan never sang:

"Knockin' On Reality's Door."

motoged - 10-8-2014 at 12:08 PM

Good interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKkZcgrec8A

KurtG - 10-8-2014 at 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Cisco :bounce:

For others, it represents a political, reactionary conservatism; an era to be reviled. :barf:

They are stuck/frozen in that mindset. We, as much as they try to pigeon hole us as stereotypes, have moved on. :yes:

I don't think I could be further from being a "reactionary conservative." I'm more to the left of center and do not "revile" that era. I have great memories of those years while clearly understanding that many in the world were suffering. I seem to change my opinion almost daily on whether or not the world has gotten better.

EnsenadaDr - 10-8-2014 at 12:17 PM

Illusions KurtG can sometimes be powerful defense mechanisms. While in Baja, we "feel" better, less stress, when in reality, there is crime, cartels and many other reality checks surrounding us. If we can escape the negative, if only for a while, it relieves stress and brings us good vibes. Better than injecting heroin or popping pills.

motoged - 10-8-2014 at 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by KurtG
.... I seem to change my opinion almost daily on whether or not the world has gotten better.

Yep....Our view may depend on our position.....and our position on our view.

That's a good line for my next ballad :light:

[Edited on 10-8-2014 by motoged]

Bubba - 10-8-2014 at 04:35 PM

Nothing new. Been listening to Mr. Zimmerman since 68.

bajabuddha - 10-8-2014 at 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by Bubba
Nothing new. Been listening to Mr. Zimmerman since 68.

Ditto. Songwriter, poet, philosopher, demigod, Zen master, embodiment of Truth... his music SUX. Never could stand his wailing or get through to the 'Universal Truth' everyone was pretending to subscribe to. Had to blast Kris Kristopherson to get ol' Bobby Zimmerman outa my head. Gimme a soft, soothing 'Voodoo Chile (slight return) from Jimi any day *grin*.

All seriousness aside, CADA LOCO CON SU TEMA. Whatever it took to 'Get You Through The Night' as first Willie and then the Beatles sang about. Hell, I remember you were either a Beta or a Surfer or a Greaser, and Z was still using the beatnik electric folk genre. Never could even play a decent harp. I know someone who swears Jim Morrison was (and still may be) the Second Coming..... and HE SUX TOO....
peace, out :coolup:

motoged - 10-8-2014 at 10:52 PM

BB,
I know you and I have agreed on some things....but you are being a Conehead this time and deserve to spend a month with Dennis, Mr. Bill, and Sargeant Bilko in a locked elevator with only one small tin of tuna, no beer or toilet paper for a month....and the elevator "ain't goin' nowhere" .

Be nice to Zimmie....just cuz you didn't "get it"... :biggrin:

Currently,

El Vergel - 10-8-2014 at 11:10 PM

Tempest is the thirty-fifth studio album by American singer-songwriter Bob Dylan, released on September 10, 2012 by Columbia Records. The album was recorded at Jackson Browne's Groove Masters Studios in Santa Monica, California. Dylan wrote all of the songs himself with the exception of the track "Duquesne Whistle", which he co-wrote with Robert Hunter.

His paintings are exquisite also.

[Edited on 10-9-2014 by El Vergel]

bajabuddha - 10-8-2014 at 11:10 PM

Oh, I got it... more than you think. We all have our 'get-it's of the era... 'cada loco con su tema' is, "have crazy with your theme", or "be as crazy as you like", or as we all said, "do your own thing".

Touchy, touchy Ged. I'm not from France, and like I said, "all seriousness aside"....

I knew i'd open a can of worms, but tuna?????????? :barf:

motoged - 10-8-2014 at 11:16 PM

BB,
Just my version of:
"I'm sarcastic and have a smart-azz attitude.
It's a natural defense mechanism against
drama, bullchit and stupidity."

Todo es bueno aqui :coolup:

bob D

captkw - 10-8-2014 at 11:20 PM

best concert I have been too !! a American legend,,Icon,hero and a real person !!

redhilltown - 10-8-2014 at 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by bajabuddha

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Originally posted by Bubba
Nothing new. Been listening to Mr. Zimmerman since 68.

Dylan never ascribed to the illusions you accuse him of...you are speaking of the gibberish that fans and critics heaped upon him. He never saw himself as a leader of anything...he just wrote songs and I get it if you don't like his voice...but no one will ever touch him as to great songwriting...no one...he has well over a hundred songs that will stand the test of time and will be sung around campfires in Baja long after we are gone. Hank has many, Kristofferson has a few, Willie a few...Beatles many... but no one comes close as to the quantity and the quality.

It is all about the songs...

bajabuddha - 10-9-2014 at 03:19 AM

Well sed, Red. I totally agree with your obvious love of his songwriting. I never 'accused' HIM of anything though; ..."the 'Universal Truth' everyone was pretending to subscribe to." The illusions aren't his. Reminds me of Sir Charles Barkley, who once said on national TV "I ain't no mu-fuggin' role model".... but Sir Charles, you don't have a choice now; a few thousand young fans would disagree. You're dead-on about the "gibberish that fans and critics heaped upon him". We all know where the base-root of the word 'FAN' comes from, too.

Even Jimi held Zimi as an idol and mentor; he set his guitar on fire after finishing with "Like A Rolling Stone" at the '67 Monterey Pop Festival, and recorded a few more of his works too.... just played 'em different is all. I've played a few of his songs around many a campfire from Baja to The Nam and back again, and you'd probably think my style sux too, your choice. I give him all the writing kudos in the world; respect given where due. Same for all the unsung writers like Kristofferson; he's a Rhoades Scholar graduate from Oxford in English Lit and Poetry. But dang, his style is..... unique.... as we all are, and our tastes too.

It IS all about the songs.... and the taste of the listeners who buy those songs, and those who prefer not to. Cada loco con su tema, amigo. Don't worry, be happy (Bobby McFerrin is pretty sharp too). The times (they are a changin') we were in covers a wide swath too; we all needed a 'face' to put on to identify with. I never did Dylan, couldn't and still can't get into the Dead, never wore granny glasses. Can't take Neil Young for the same reason; also a good poet.

Sit back, enjoy your cd.... or cassettes.. or 8-track... or vinyl.... and that's why they invented earphones. :spingrin:

Cisco - 10-9-2014 at 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by bajabuddha

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Originally posted by Bubba
Nothing new. Been listening to Mr. Zimmerman since 68.

Before his suicide Phil Ochs was outproducing Dylan in quantity, quality was a subjective thing.

Dylan at one time said he does not know how Phil does it, he was turning out twice the volume. They liked each other and respected the others work too, as I do. Both Dylan and Ochs are among my favorites.

If you have not heard it, try Och's "The Highwayman". He described it as an English poem that was crying to be set to music.

Joan Baez early work was very impressive also and her voice, of course, distinct. She finally decided to quit singing, (she is in her early seventies now, lives in Woodside with her Mom who has got to be 100) her voice for the last twenty years has been deteriorating even with all the coaching.

Another real favorite of mine? Leonard Cohen. He must be in his early 80's and toured a couple of years ago. Beautiful. His work is supreme and sublime, no-one has ever come close to the kind of poetry he sings.

bajalearner - 10-9-2014 at 10:25 AM

Wow, such expertise, I'm impressed with the intelligence! Thanks for sharing your knowledge. :wow:

greengoes - 10-9-2014 at 11:26 AM

Robert Zimmerman AKA Bob Dylan stole his whole act from Ramblin' Jack Elliott when little Bob first hit Greenwich Village in the early 60's.

DENNIS - 10-9-2014 at 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by bajalearner
Wow, such expertise, I'm impressed with the intelligence! Thanks for sharing your knowledge. :wow:

Beware of brilliance without quotation marks.

mtgoat666 - 10-9-2014 at 12:34 PM

speaking of the broad genres of country and folk music,....
if you were sentenced to spend an hour at sharkeys drinking with the local lushes, would you rather listen to norteno, bob dylan or taylor swift on the juke box?

wessongroup - 10-9-2014 at 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by greengoes
Robert Zimmerman AKA Bob Dylan stole his whole act from Ramblin' Jack Elliott when little Bob first hit Greenwich Village in the early 60's.

Dittos

and both from Woody ... :biggrin:

[Edited on 10-9-2014 by wessongroup]

bajaspuds - 10-9-2014 at 04:34 PM

... Bob is so universal

DENNIS - 10-9-2014 at 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
speaking of the broad genres of country and folk music,....
if you were sentenced to spend an hour at sharkeys drinking with the local lushes, would you rather listen to norteno, bob dylan or taylor swift on the juke box?

Juke boxes are for the proletariat. Sharky's has live music.

What's your choice of music while dining at the local landfill?

redhilltown - 10-9-2014 at 05:19 PM

As a huge Phil Ochs fan back in the day my guess is that he was not out producing anyone as he approached his suicide...he was a mess. His early career was extremely prolific.

As to ripping off Ramblin Jack and Woody I can only go back to the quote I have always heard attributed to Stravinsky: A lesser artist borrows, a genius steals!". To say Dylan was nothing but a thief is as silly as saying the same about Mozart and Haydn...or Schubert and Beethoven (Schubert idolized Beethoven and you can hear it over and over)...

The four albums "Another Side of Bob Dylan", "Bringing It All Back Home", "Highway 61 Revisited", and "Blonde On Blonde" in the space of couple of years represents the greatest outpouring of genius the pop/folk/rock world has ever seen/heard. Or to quote Phil Ochs after hearing Highway 61 for the first time "it is impossibly good".

...and even if he DID rip off his earlier heroes, he tore them all down and set their houses on fire by going electric...he was hated for that and yet it proved to be one of the defining moments in rock history

ok...enough...now I'm getting defensive

rock on everyone and listen to whatever ya want!!! :tumble:

DENNIS - 10-9-2014 at 05:21 PM

Now...this is moosik:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PejBkU4-1fk

DENNIS - 10-9-2014 at 05:24 PM

.

Otra vez por Los Aguilas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv-fjv1bbXI

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[Edited on 10-10-2014 by DENNIS]

Bubba - 10-12-2014 at 05:41 PM

Is this what you were trying to say ensenadadr?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeP4FFr88SQ&index=4&...

EnsenadaDr - 10-12-2014 at 09:31 PM

talking about live music at Sharkey's..did you make the benefit concert for Frenchie?

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Juke boxes are for the proletariat. Sharky's has live music.

What's your choice of music while dining at the local landfill?