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Possible curfew in La Paz

rts551 - 10-10-2014 at 07:42 PM

This article states that a curfew is being considered because of a crime wave in La Paz, including 20 murders in the last couple of months. Has anyone else heard any thing. The baja 1000 finish is a litlle over a month away (more or less).


http://colectivopericu.net/2014/10/09/considerar-toque-de-qu...

BajaBlanca - 10-10-2014 at 08:14 PM

I have not heard of the murders but did hear of folks closing off their streets with a guard to avoid robberies.

A curfew is pretty drastic.

rts551 - 10-11-2014 at 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by BajaBlanca
I have not heard of the murders but did hear of folks closing off their streets with a guard to avoid robberies.

A curfew is pretty drastic.


yes it is. This is bad news with the Baja 1000 coming up in November.

Petey - 10-11-2014 at 03:33 PM

it's a business dispute over control of the plaza

Ricardo - 10-11-2014 at 05:34 PM

Petey could you tell us more please.
Thanks Rick

BajaGringo - 10-11-2014 at 06:01 PM

There has been a wave of violence in La Paz the past few weeks and it looks to be a settling of scores and a struggle for control of the region. Over 20 deaths and nearly all of them are from Sinaloa with strong ties to the cartels. It was brought to my attention by a local there well known to a lot of Nomads who made the point that all of these murders happened in broad daylight; a curfew would have little if any effect.

Hopefully La Paz is able to get this under control...

AncientDigitalDude - 10-11-2014 at 07:28 PM

Here's the link about the (possible) curfew.

http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/comision-de-seguridad-del-congreso...

Nothing has been decided yet but there HAVE been 20 execution-style murders in La Paz since July 31 and I've read (in the news) about 2 car-to-car gunfights in broad daylight.

micah202 - 10-11-2014 at 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by AncientDigitalDude
Here's the link about the (possible) curfew.

http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/comision-de-seguridad-del-congreso...

Nothing has been decided yet but there HAVE been 20 execution-style murders in La Paz since July 31 and I've read (in the news) about 2 car-to-car gunfights in broad daylight.


...hmmm,,,something 'gained' in translation?? :wow:

''Asked if he considers that the State Government has allowed the entry of crime working corruptly, only replied: "actions speak louder than words, I think the police is gaining organized crime."''

mtgoat666 - 10-11-2014 at 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
There has been a wave of violence in La Paz the past few weeks and it looks to be a settling of scores and a struggle for control of the region. Over 20 deaths and nearly all of them are from Sinaloa with strong ties to the cartels. ... all of these murders happened in broad daylight; a curfew would have little if any effect.

Hopefully La Paz is able to get this under control...


Perhaps the curfew is to control more than murder, say control crime happening at night, eh?

If cartel takes over la paz, like some of the bad cities in mainland, say goodbye to Baja,... Nip this in bud now or just another fallen domino in collapse of mexico and Latin America?

Bajaboy - 10-11-2014 at 08:31 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
There has been a wave of violence in La Paz the past few weeks and it looks to be a settling of scores and a struggle for control of the region. Over 20 deaths and nearly all of them are from Sinaloa with strong ties to the cartels. ... all of these murders happened in broad daylight; a curfew would have little if any effect.

Hopefully La Paz is able to get this under control...


Perhaps the curfew is to control more than murder, say control crime happening at night, eh?

If cartel takes over la paz, like some of the bad cities in mainland, say goodbye to Baja,... Nip this in bud now or just another fallen domino in collapse of mexico and Latin America?


What makes you think they haven't already? Why wouldn't they be there? I assume they are every where in some form. I have heard stories about events even in Bahia Asuncion.

BajaGringo - 10-11-2014 at 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
There has been a wave of violence in La Paz the past few weeks and it looks to be a settling of scores and a struggle for control of the region. Over 20 deaths and nearly all of them are from Sinaloa with strong ties to the cartels. ... all of these murders happened in broad daylight; a curfew would have little if any effect.

Hopefully La Paz is able to get this under control...


Perhaps the curfew is to control more than murder, say control crime happening at night, eh?

If cartel takes over la paz, like some of the bad cities in mainland, say goodbye to Baja,... Nip this in bud now or just another fallen domino in collapse of mexico and Latin America?


What makes you think they haven't already? Why wouldn't they be there? I assume they are every where in some form. I have heard stories about events even in Bahia Asuncion.


They are everywhere today, including small, mid-western farming communities in Utah, North Dakata, Iowa, Wisconsin, Tennessee and Nebraska, among others...

Hook - 10-11-2014 at 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
There has been a wave of violence in La Paz the past few weeks and it looks to be a settling of scores and a struggle for control of the region.


Like Petey said, it's a business dispute over control of the plaza. :lol:

I would think a police imposed curfew would be of benefit to cartels moving contraband. Fewer eyes out to see illegal activities. Easier to cover up activities when they go awry. Easier to dismiss killings as having never happened.

An unintended consequence? Or, maybe not so unintended............

Would cartel members really observe a curfew? I doubt it.

micah202 - 10-12-2014 at 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
There has been a wave of violence in La Paz the past few weeks and it looks to be a settling of scores and a struggle for control of the region.


Like Petey said, it's a business dispute over control of the plaza. :lol:

I would think a police imposed curfew would be of benefit to cartels moving contraband. Fewer eyes out to see illegal activities. Easier to cover up activities when they go awry. Easier to dismiss killings as having never happened.

An unintended consequence? Or, maybe not so unintended............

Would cartel members really observe a curfew? I doubt it.


...yah,,like the article says.....''the police is gaining organized crime''....a crfew would allow a freer interaction betyween police and cartels without the nuisance of witnesses .

...tell me it ain't true! :(

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BajaBruno - 10-12-2014 at 09:18 PM

I'm not sure that all Nomads are aware that "plaza," as used in the context of the cartels, means a specific geographic area controlled by a cartel. The "plaza boss" is in charge of maintaining the area and supervising cartel operations in that locale. He has control over the cartel assassins who are used to weed out competition from other cartels trying to use the same area.

La Paz used to be, or so it seemed, a neutral territory, but that seems to have changed, probably because of the recent arrests of cartel chiefs who may have been a stabilizing influence in relations with other cartels.

mtgoat666 - 10-12-2014 at 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
There has been a wave of violence in La Paz the past few weeks and it looks to be a settling of scores and a struggle for control of the region. Over 20 deaths and nearly all of them are from Sinaloa with strong ties to the cartels. ... all of these murders happened in broad daylight; a curfew would have little if any effect.

Hopefully La Paz is able to get this under control...


Perhaps the curfew is to control more than murder, say control crime happening at night, eh?

If cartel takes over la paz, like some of the bad cities in mainland, say goodbye to Baja,... Nip this in bud now or just another fallen domino in collapse of mexico and Latin America?


What makes you think they haven't already? Why wouldn't they be there? I assume they are every where in some form. I have heard stories about events even in Bahia Asuncion.


They are everywhere today, including small, mid-western farming communities in Utah, North Dakata, Iowa, Wisconsin, Tennessee and Nebraska, among others...


perhaps. but wisconsin rarely has mass graves, bodies dumped in street to make a statement, bans on travel by state dept employees, govt abdication of control to drug lords, etc... if la paz or san quintin gets to be like a some of the nastier cities in mainland mexico, you and every other gringo will be dead or gone.
so dont ** ** ****** *** suggest that cartel ops in la paz are just like wisconsin
i hope la paz nips it in the bud. gun battles in the streets is pretty serious chit.





[Edited on 10-13-2014 by BajaNomad]

DENNIS - 10-13-2014 at 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by BajaBruno

La Paz used to be, or so it seemed, a neutral territory,


In the past, Puerto Vallarta and Acapulco had the same consideration, but that was violated some time ago. I guess, to expect otherwise would be like assuming honor among savages.

BajaGringo - 10-13-2014 at 07:33 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
... if la paz or san quintin gets to be like a some of the nastier cities in mainland mexico, you and every other gringo will be dead or gone.
so dont ** ** ****** *** suggest that cartel ops in la paz are just like wisconsin
i hope la paz nips it in the bud. gun battles in the streets is pretty serious chit.


Never said that La Paz is just like Wisconsin. Nor is what is going on in many larger cities in Mexico and the US just like what is going in San Quintin or Des Moines. But if you think for one moment that the cartels aren't in both San Quintin and Des Moines today you are kidding yourself. The level of violence is usually proportional to the size of the plaza as the bigger the prize, the bigger the fight.

I have very close family who worked undercover drugs in conjunction with the DEA, before going to work for the DA. The cartels are now controlling both ends of the cross border drug trade. You'd be amazed what is going on in small town America today. Very little of it ever makes the news...


http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/09/us/mexican-cartels-small-town-...



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[Edited on 10-13-2014 by BajaNomad]

shari - 10-13-2014 at 07:39 AM

If anyone wants to keep up on the bloodshed that is happening down south, tune in to this online newspaper who often report these shootings first...it's in spanish though but you could translate it...some pretty gruesome stuff..Todays first stories are mostly about assasinations...the comments are always interesting.

http://colectivopericu.net/

Here is one about a shootout in Todos Santos too
http://colectivopericu.net/2014/10/12/muy-grave-el-balaceado...

awhile back the "plaza" jefe from Vizcaino got capped on the road between here & Vizcaino...he had just checked out of the hotel at the beach so they had that cordoned off. Cartel activity is everywhere if you consider someone scoring some weed is involved or betting on race horses owned by the cartels, c-ck fighting too...oh and maybe political gatherings??? hahaha:o

[Edited on 10-13-2014 by shari]

rts551 - 10-13-2014 at 07:41 AM

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There has been a wave of violence in La Paz the past few weeks and it looks to be a settling of scores and a struggle for control of the region. Over 20 deaths and nearly all of them are from Sinaloa with strong ties to the cartels. ... all of these murders happened in broad daylight; a curfew would have little if any effect.

Hopefully La Paz is able to get this under control...


Perhaps the curfew is to control more than murder, say control crime happening at night, eh?

If cartel takes over la paz, like some of the bad cities in mainland, say goodbye to Baja,... Nip this in bud now or just another fallen domino in collapse of mexico and Latin America?


What makes you think they haven't already? Why wouldn't they be there? I assume they are every where in some form. I have heard stories about events even in Bahia Asuncion.


They are everywhere today, including small, mid-western farming communities in Utah, North Dakata, Iowa, Wisconsin, Tennessee and Nebraska, among others...


perhaps. but wisconsin rarely has mass graves, bodies dumped in street to make a statement, bans on travel by state dept employees, govt abdication of control to drug lords, etc... if la paz or san quintin gets to be like a some of the nastier cities in mainland mexico, you and every other gringo will be dead or gone.
so dont ** ** ****** *** suggest that cartel ops in la paz are just like wisconsin
i hope la paz nips it in the bud. gun battles in the streets is pretty serious chit.


So just who do you think controls the drug trade in the US? Just today there was an article about laundering money in the US. ASSSHAT

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/10/11/mexico-lifts-dollar-res...





[Edited on 10-13-2014 by BajaNomad]

bajabuddha - 10-13-2014 at 08:17 AM

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Glad to see the name calling is in play... wouldn't want to think things had changed on Baja Nomads!:lol:

That's right; they should have to gargle with Woody's sack! :lol:

rts551 - 10-13-2014 at 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by shari
If anyone wants to keep up on the bloodshed that is happening down south, tune in to this online newspaper who often report these shootings first...it's in spanish though but you could translate it...some pretty gruesome stuff..Todays first stories are mostly about assasinations...the comments are always interesting.

http://colectivopericu.net/

Here is one about a shootout in Todos Santos too
http://colectivopericu.net/2014/10/12/muy-grave-el-balaceado...

awhile back the "plaza" jefe from Vizcaino got capped on the road between here & Vizcaino...he had just checked out of the hotel at the beach so they had that cordoned off. Cartel activity is everywhere if you consider someone scoring some weed is involved or betting on race horses owned by the cartels, c-ck fighting too...oh and maybe political gatherings??? hahaha:o

[Edited on 10-13-2014 by shari]



or buying from PEMEX. I know of one station in the area I have been told is a front for Cartel money. Also know someone in Vizcaino who use to run drugs North via semi when it was much easier. Claims he quit many years ago. Point is drugs are and has been in the area for a long time.

Lengua - 10-13-2014 at 12:49 PM

This is not good news coming on the heels of Odile . Tourism is already off and now we have Cartel activity, assassins and murder in the streets.

rts551 - 10-19-2014 at 09:49 AM

and now an armed robbery at the banco banorte.


http://vizcainohoy.com/index.php/policiaca/item/7655-hombres...

Sweetwater - 10-19-2014 at 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Lengua
This is not good news coming on the heels of Odile . Tourism is already off and now we have Cartel activity, assassins and murder in the streets.


My thoughts are along those lines.....and with the pending Baja Mil, it wouldn't be pretty to have all those folks develop problems with cartel folks...it could be a big black eye.....they are used to getting a pass on most of the real Baja issues.....