BajaNomad - Donation Request for Rebuilding the boat launch access road by Serinidad

Donation Request for Rebuilding the boat launch access road by Serinidad

Subastador - 10-17-2014 at 11:27 AM

In light of the well stated concerns in the other thread here, We are making a NEW, PROJECT SPECIFIC request for donations to help rebuild the road/ramp in front of Serinidad.

Here is the procedure:

DONATION PROCEDURE USING PAYPAL:

We are using Mike Fleming's paypal account. Here is how you do that:

1. go to paypal.com

2. login as usual

3. click on "send money"

4. copy and past or just type in TO: mike@fleming.cc

5. fill in your donation amount, click "PERSONAL" and choose "gift" and click continue.

6. on the next screen scroll down & write in the note space: " Mulege Rotary road/ramp repair" then click send and you have donated.

Some caveats:
First, misspelling will mess things up so cut and paste is the way to go.
Second: PayPal may hold large donation amounts for a day or two to "verify funds" or have other similar process with your account, usually they explain that on screen or in an email. No big deal.

Third: in step 5 above, clicking PERSONAL and choosing gift eliminates the 3% paypal fee so 100% of your donation is received.
___________________________________________________
Mulege Rotary will be acting as facilitator and funds collector for this project. All funds received thru this plea will be used for this project only. Thank you for your support. We need about $4,000. Any overage received will be transferred to the Mulege General Relief Fund (with concurrence from the donors).

[Edited on 10-18-2014 by BajaNomad]

[Edited on 10-20-2014 by Subastador]

[Edited on 10-20-2014 by BajaNomad]

DENNIS - 10-17-2014 at 01:45 PM

Is this a public issue? jes askin'.

mtnpop - 10-17-2014 at 02:56 PM

Not sure but the bigger of the problem may be in getting the permit or permission to build or rebuild in the Federal Zone.... even a dock or ramp
Someone needs to work on making sure and having all approved quickly... which in Mexico is ????????
Probably start with the mayor (Delagado) sp and get things in started....
Also for everyones sake... something on both sides of the estuary... just to hold the peace....

may the force be with us.....

bajabuddha - 10-17-2014 at 03:16 PM

OK, NOW FEEL ME. Some sheckles are already on the way. Buena Suerte, Mulege.

BajaBlanca - 10-17-2014 at 07:35 PM

glad to hear the serenidad is rebuilding-best of luck!

alacran - 10-17-2014 at 07:38 PM

Well, it has been placed in the Mulege forum, where it belongs.
Long story short, I have in the past spoken to the delegado (s) and was told that in order to build a new pier would take a long time to get permits.
However to REbuild an old one would be no problem.
There have been tons of attempts by many "engineers" to come up with ideas of a new pier, and none worked.

bajabuddha - 10-17-2014 at 10:08 PM

May I humbly suggest, don't build a skyscraper in a FLOOD ZONE. Get a road and a usable (maybe movable?) ramp in for the season. Another storm WILL come, and another flood WILL take it out. Usable, portable? I'm not an engineer. Never even been on a train. But those dang fish out there are calling and Chuckie can hear them, and Boy Howdy how i'd hate to pizz HIM off!!!
:cool:

[Edited on 10-18-2014 by bajabuddha]

mtnpop - 10-18-2014 at 08:55 AM

Well, the last 2 docks put in at this location were designed and set so they could be hooked onto an pulled away from the estuary if a flood was eminant.. But it seems that someone would have to be there with time and truck, etc to actually do that task.....
Looks like good plans are only good if someone has the responsibility of doing the deed...

A great idea though... and it seemed really a great idea at the time...

Of course if you pull it out and the flood does not happen (maybe unlikely) then you have to have the manpower and equipment to refloat it and anchor it...
Last year this could have taken place at least 3 times as there were that many close calls in Mulege...

The last dock was so narrow and wobbly it was really a feat to load and unload... but it did serve the purpose.... not to complain too much..

Pompano - 10-18-2014 at 12:02 PM

Que lastima! Another flood takes out the floating dock in Mulege. Here’s a photo history of the floating boat dock at the Serinadad. A great group project, and hopefully, the new one will be in place before too long.

The dock looked like this for decades…this pic was taken 15 years ago…

And then like this by 2010..(Unlike Co-Pilot, I personally never fell in the river.)

Events (floods) make changes necessary.

"As an architect, you design for the present, with an awareness of the past, for a future which is essentially unknown."

"The power of one, if fearless and focused, is formidable, but the power of many working together is better."

Laughter is always good medicine....

"A horse is a camel designed by a committee."

The Improvements

Over the years, I've used and greatly appreciated all the improvements to launching boats in the river at the Serinadad. Making contributions to this project gives a helping hand to all those who do the work that lets all of us enjoy Mulege.

Buena Suerte!

[Edited on 10-20-2014 by BajaNomad]

dorado50 - 10-19-2014 at 07:16 PM

Who is spearheading this project?. Is there a specific plan in place?. Is any type of authorization needed(city, state, federal)?. Until I see a feasible project plan on paper with no opposition from any parties I will not throw monies into the wind...................awaiting your response.

bbbait - 10-19-2014 at 07:20 PM

Thanks Pompano! Great photos as always!

bigmike58 - 10-19-2014 at 07:55 PM

pompano-photo

3 days after Odile-

[Edited on 10-20-2014 by bigmike58]

55steve - 10-19-2014 at 08:35 PM

Thanks for the recent pics Mike - puts the whole project into perspective.

mtnpop - 10-20-2014 at 01:04 PM

In the Baja Catch book there is a story about Mulege that also has a picture of this dock area in an "L" shape with abut a dozen boats tied up...
Anyone have any idea of how many years ago the dock was like that???'
What storm took it away??? John, or Julio,,, I think it was gone before Jimena in 09.

Where is a volunteer or 3 to get the plans together to get this project underway...
Guessing that most are working on their own projects right now.....

Pompano - 10-20-2014 at 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by mtnpop
In the Baja Catch book there is a story about Mulege that also has a picture of this dock area in an "L" shape with abut a dozen boats tied up...
Anyone have any idea of how many years ago the dock was like that???'
What storm took it away??? John, or Julio,,, I think it was gone before Jimena in 09.

Where is a volunteer or 3 to get the plans together to get this project underway...
Guessing that most are working on their own projects right now.....

The old Hotel dock looked like that in 1974. I'll scratch around for a photo or two and post it. I used to motor my old 28' Pompano into that dock and tie up, but the boat channels were a lot deeper then.

Sometime later, it was named the 'Donation Pier' and an entrepreneur would ask you for a 'donation' to use it. That was okay...he got there first.

Cisco - 10-20-2014 at 03:36 PM

Put detachable auto wheels on it.

Rather like what you do on the transom of a skiff. Two wheels mounted on stub axles slide into square fittings permanent on the transom and haul it out.

Two wheels rear work for the skiff, for a float I would use four or six or...??? size.

The only time they would be on the float is when it's hauled. Put it back in the water and drop the wheels and store them ashore.

EZ in/EZ out.

mtnpop - 10-20-2014 at 04:29 PM

Been done. New dock after Jimena in 09 had this feature....
just have to make sure there is a responsible person there during hurricane season willing to store the wheels and take care of it each time there is an eminant threat...
no clue where the wheels were stored when Paul hit in 2012 and we were not expecting it to be a big flood... we were there at the time...those wheels are probably still stored somewhere...
But also,, that dock had revisions made and it was extended at least once so would have probably been impossible to drag out
Then the parking lot was also washed away so where to move it....
It all looks good on paper.... or in our brains...

But the idea is a great one...

sd - 10-20-2014 at 04:32 PM

A "rolling dock" is used at Rancho Leonero (East Cape). Rolled out each evening. Perhaps a modified version would work for Mulege?

Bob and Susan - 10-21-2014 at 06:34 AM

does anyone have a picture of a working "rolling dock"?

willyAirstream - 10-21-2014 at 06:38 AM

Here is a few
http://www.google.com.mx/search?q=rolling+boat+dock&safe...

Pompano - 10-21-2014 at 12:28 PM

Something to look at. A few examples of 'rolling docks' below.

As the Mulege dock builders know, these type of movable docks have been in use in our Up North area lakes for 50 years and more. I've been using mine on the Rainy River -Canada/US border for quite some time. Before that, Dad built one for our family cabin at Red Willow Lake, ND in 1955. Winter comes and lakes and rivers freeze up solid....with very thick ice. Folks got tired of the continuous seasonal repairs to their boat docks after spring 'ice out', so lots of business's started up fabricating these types of docks. Today builders and sellers are literally all over the place. You can buy new, build your own if you're handy, or buy used. For reference, good used prices run from $500 to $2000 in our lake area for a long dock with an 'L'.

But Mulege ain't exactly next door....and the aduana would have a fit trying to figure the import fee....so naturally it's do-it-yourself (with the added factor of saltwater, tides, and use of floats.)

The Mulege boat ramp area has the same characteristics as most soft bottom lakes....so some of these might be an idea for the inventive Mulege group of volunteers.

Here's some photos...

Could be hauled out with some advance warning and without too much trouble. A couple fellows and a pickup and it's high and dry. (So it says in the fine print..I've done mine myself with the aid of a good cussing vocabulary)

Anyway, there's great minds at work in Mulege...and hope this helps. I'd sure like to launch there again one day soon. Good Luck, Mulege!

[Edited on 10-22-2014 by Pompano]

mtnpop - 10-22-2014 at 07:44 AM

These look great... with the exception that the estuary isn't a lake... the water level is not static. the tide goes out the tide comes in..
But with the engineers around Mulege they should be able to attach floaties to it and anchor it from following the current.
Might work anyway,, thats why I am not a dock builder...
This area gets hammered every flood... the road and parking lot are just above high tide level..
Of course most of you know the conditions....
Looks like the shoreline might have changed also....
Look forward to what happens for both sides of the estuary for all fishermen and ladies...

Mulegena - 10-22-2014 at 07:59 AM

Those who wish to go out fishing now are doing so successfully
on both sides of the river, dock or no dock.

The local pangeros in town have launched on both sides of the river.
Because they go out daily they're leaving their boats on the riverbank:
north river, they're launching by the old hotel and docking near Gringo's house;
south river the pangas are docked further east of where the Donation Pier was.

A first-hand report from a resident fisherman on their experiences
now would be welcome.

[Edited on 10-22-2014 by Mulegena]

willyAirstream - 10-22-2014 at 01:57 PM

The damage looks even worse at low tide. The ramp has been recovered from PC and negotiations are on going for the dock. There is alot of concrete work to be done before they could possibly be used. The road in front of the runway is basically gone as is the road behind the Serinidad.

[Edited on 10-22-2014 by willyAirstream]

chuckie - 10-22-2014 at 02:19 PM

Thats way worse than I imagined....And I wonder how much silt was dumped at the river mouth? Negated all that dredge work?

Mulegena - 10-22-2014 at 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by chuckie
Thats way worse than I imagined....And I wonder how much silt was dumped at the river mouth? Negated all that dredge work?

The river ran chocolate brown for about 3 weeks after this flood,
probably because of the dredging up in the valley.

Nature will have Her way. Work with Her, for to to otherwise is mere human folly.

mtnpop - 10-22-2014 at 02:42 PM

Quick question,,, Mateo lived just above the ramp and around the hill in the picture... Did he move before the flood and is his place gone or there???? Also the little military hut was there also.... maybe WAS????
Mateo needed help before this... we always had them clean our fish and took him out with us when we could...

Mulegena - 10-22-2014 at 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mtnpop
Quick question,,, Mateo lived just above the ramp and around the hill in the picture... Did he move before the flood and is his place gone or there???? Also the little military hut was there also.... maybe WAS????
Mateo needed help before this... we always had them clean our fish and took him out with us when we could...

Perhaps someone else knows, too, but I'll ask my husband who is Mateo's nephew. I'll report back on this post as an edit. ~ Mulegena

Edited to report that my husband spoke with Mateo tonight, Wed, Oct 22.
Mateo did have to evacuate from his house for several weeks after the flood. He is back in his house now and would surely like to take folks out fishing, he says. He needs work -- now. In addition to the urgent need for work and food, Mateo reports he's got several really bad toothaches-- sheesh! poor guy!

Frankly, we know that times are tough for him, now more than ever. He and the other pangeros need work and they need food for themselves and their families.

Mateo sends his regards to his Nomad fishermen buddies and expressed his gratitude in the ongoing concern of everyone.

[Edited on 10-23-2014 by Mulegena]

willyAirstream - 10-22-2014 at 03:26 PM

Mateo survived as did his casa, but it must have been rough. The water line is closer to his casa now, but not up to his fence. If you want to charter a panga, Mateo is your guy. The military shack is gone, but the military block buildings survived and are freshly painted.

dorado50 - 10-22-2014 at 08:25 PM

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dorado50 - 10-22-2014 at 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mulegena
Those who wish to go out fishing now are doing so successfully
on both sides of the river, dock or no dock.

The local pangeros in town have launched on both sides of the river.
Because they go out daily they're leaving their boats on the riverbank:
north river, they're launching by the old hotel and docking near Gringo's house;
south river the pangas are docked further east of where the Donation Pier was.

Oh really????? I, as well as many, many others do not have a panga as our fishing boat thus our launching our boats would be too challenging as we need a concrete ramp to launch and retrieve!. Your information on panga boats launching is correct....but most all other boats wanting to launch will need a new ramp!

A first-hand report from a resident fisherman on their experiences
now would be welcome.

[Edited on 10-22-2014 by Mulegena]

[Edited on 10-23-2014 by dorado50]

LancairDriver - 10-22-2014 at 08:58 PM

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Originally posted by dorado50

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[Edited on 10-23-2014 by dorado50]

Looks like there has already been some first hand reporting along with pictures. Suggest if you want to go fishing get your a$$ out there with a shovel and get to work.

dorado50 - 10-22-2014 at 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by LancairDriver

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Originally posted by dorado50

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[Edited on 10-23-2014 by dorado50]

Looks like there has already been some first hand reporting along with pictures. Suggest if you want to go fishing get your a$$ out there with a shovel and get to work.

dorado50 - 10-22-2014 at 09:52 PM

workin on it boss man :lol:

Mulegena - 10-22-2014 at 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by dorado50

Quote:

Originally posted by Mulegena
Those who wish to go out fishing now are doing so successfully
on both sides of the river, dock or no dock.

The local pangeros in town have launched on both sides of the river.
Because they go out daily they're leaving their boats on the riverbank:
north river, they're launching by the old hotel and docking near Gringo's house;
south river the pangas are docked further east of where the Donation Pier was.

*************************************************
Oh really????? I, as well as many, many others do not have a panga as our fishing boat thus our launching our boats would be too challenging as we need a concrete ramp to launch and retrieve!. Your information on panga boats launching is correct....but most all other boats wanting to launch will need a new ramp!
***************************************************

A first-hand report from a resident fisherman on their experiences
now would be welcome.

[Edited on 10-22-2014 by Mulegena]

[Edited on 10-23-2014 by dorado50]

Would you please remove your response from within the body of the quote? It's to be outside the quote; otherwise it appears as if the person being quoted made the statement.

[Edited on 10-23-2014 by Mulegena]

bajabuddha - 10-22-2014 at 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Subastador
In light of the well stated concerns in the other thread here, We are making a NEW, PROJECT SPECIFIC request for donations to help rebuild the road/ramp in front of Serinidad.

Here is the procedure:

DONATION PROCEDURE USING PAYPAL:

We are using Mike Fleming's paypal account. Here is how you do that:

1. go to paypal.com

2. login as usual

3. click on "send money"

4. copy and past or just type in TO: mike@fleming.cc

5. fill in your donation amount, click "PERSONAL" and choose "gift" and click continue.

6. on the next screen scroll down & write in the note space: " Mulege Rotary road/ramp repair" then click send and you have donated.

Some caveats:
First, misspelling will mess things up so cut and paste is the way to go.
Second: PayPal may hold large donation amounts for a day or two to "verify funds" or have other similar process with your account, usually they explain that on screen or in an email. No big deal.

Third: in step 5 above, clicking PERSONAL and choosing gift eliminates the 3% paypal fee so 100% of your donation is received.
___________________________________________________
Mulege Rotary will be acting as facilitator and funds collector for this project. All funds received thru this plea will be used for this project only. Thank you for your support. We need about $4,000. Any overage received will be transferred to the Mulege General Relief Fund (with concurrence from the donors).

[Edited on 10-18-2014 by BajaNomad]

[Edited on 10-20-2014 by Subastador]

[Edited on 10-20-2014 by BajaNomad]

BUMP

Please, show your support however you can. The road needs a good day's work with a big machine, and what can't be used for a ramp can be used to help Mulege; they're still in a hurt, and Rotary is a wonderful help.

Less b-tchin' and more pitchin'. :coolup:

mtnpop - 10-23-2014 at 11:42 AM

Looks like 2 tons of work instead of 1 ton just to get around to the ramp/dock area...

Anyone have an accounting of where we are on the goal to get this done?????

We will have soon some 5x5 inch window decals with Hurricane Odile Survivor Mulege 2014 for sale at $50 pesos each... all proceeds will go to the dock/ramp we have minimal cost involved actuall donated.... they have a wave/palm trees similar to the old One bad day in Mulege decals... assorted colors.. will post when ready...
thanks to all that are being involved with these projects... much obllige

gallesram - 10-23-2014 at 12:12 PM

I will be happy to donate once a plan is in place with an estimate of costs; and my guess is there are lots of us out here in the same position since I can't launch my boat without concrete and a dock. That said, I'd like to see the plan before I send $$. The last time the Rotary asked for money we were told that Saul would make food boxes for the locals after the flood, so that was enough of a plan for me and I donated. Same theory here.

willyAirstream - 10-24-2014 at 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by mtnpop
.... they have a wave/palm trees similar to the old One bad day in Mulege decals... assorted colors.. will post when ready...

One bad day or No bad days in Mulege

How about "No bad days in Mulege except in Sept. "

Mulege en Movimiento AC may print Odile T shirts if there is an interest.
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=76035

bajabuddha - 10-24-2014 at 09:28 PM

JUST THINKIN'....

The term, 'No Bad Days' has always seemed a double-negative to me.

NO........BAD......... starts the whole thing off to the dark. A suggestion:

"IT'S ALL GOOD" or, "ALL GOOD DAYS" ... something upbeat? The 'no bad' has been over-used; does anyone have alternative ideas? I have, and will donate to whatever comes up, because IT'S ALL GOOD, que no? The Li'l ville that keeps on keepin' on......

Subastador - 10-29-2014 at 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gallesram
I will be happy to donate once a plan is in place with an estimate of costs; and my guess is there are lots of us out here in the same position since I can't launch my boat without concrete and a dock. That said, I'd like to see the plan before I send $$. The last time the Rotary asked for money we were told that Saul would make food boxes for the locals after the flood, so that was enough of a plan for me and I donated. Same theory here.

We (Rotary Mulege) has a contractor's estimate of about $3,500 to rebuild the road to the ramp. This is to do it right. We could probably make a usable track for less. To date, the PROJECT SPECIFIC donation request has garnered a little over $1,000. Many thanks to those who have already sent a donation. We would like to do a good job, but we are short of our goal at this point. We may make a decision to use what we have, as far as it will go, and look to other sources later. We need to do something soon, as the "season" is starting. If you can help us we will, as previously stated, fully account for all funds collected and report on their use. We would like to make a cut off date of November 15th.So if you want to help us in this community service project, please do so at your earliest convenience.

Mulege Boat Ramp Status

walters886 - 11-16-2014 at 01:57 PM

I was able to launch my 17 foot Scout CC from the Mulege boat ramp twice this week. It's only graded dirt now but usable at both tides for small boats towed with AWD or four wheel drive. The roads to the ramp via Dog Town at the topas and Serenidad are open.

BTW the only work I've personally seen at the ramp was done by Alejandro, his boy and another teen. He's filled in the wash outs and massive dirt holes. I'm told by locals he was also responsible for removing the major under water concrete pieces of the old ramp that were blocking launches by using his truck and a chain.

This morning Alejandro and his teen crew were hard at work using slegde hammers to tear down the previously destroyed old concrete fish shack adjacent to the ramp.

I don't know if Alejandro is affiliated or wroking with the Rotary group for ramp recstruction. If so, great. If not they should tag up with one another. In any event I gave my own contribution to him for the work he has performed.

I would like to add that the fishing this week for sierra and grouper has been terrific. Yellow hootchies and small gold Rapalas are the ticket So go get 'em. tx ws

dorado50 - 11-16-2014 at 06:55 PM

Rotary???? haven't seen their participation at all. Alex is basically spearheading the whole deal. He has done a great job thus far! His buddy with a front loader has been helping out a lot. The dozer is out for part repair right now that is why Alex is working with shovels at this time. The ramp and parking areas should be twice as nice when done. I give my donations directly to Alex.............the concrete ramp is set for pour next low tide cycle. let's hope more donations come in to complete this much needed amenity.

chuckie - 11-16-2014 at 06:58 PM

Alex is a git er dun kinda guy....

Pompano - 11-20-2014 at 11:10 AM

Alex...I've known him for a long time and he's never been what you'd call a lay-about. Always busy making a living... rentals, bartending at the Serinadad, boat owner and fishing guide with a great conversational wit, patron of the Mesquite Bar downtown Mulege, and now it seems he's in the construction and road repair business. A regular dynamo. Wonder what's up for later this year?

Good luck with the new boat ramp!

bajabuddha - 11-20-2014 at 01:02 PM

As mi compadre says in San Lucitas, "There are Mexi-CANS, and Mexi-CAN'TS". He definitely belongs in the first category.

Subastador - 11-20-2014 at 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by chuckie
Alex is a git er dun kinda guy....

Yes, HE IS! New Information
The "Project Specific" road rebuilding donation request I made earlier only garnered $500 in actual donations before the cut-off date of November 15 I made earlier. THE TEMPORARY ROAD REBUILDING WORK DONE SO FAR WAS SPEARHEADED AND ACCOMPLISHED BY ALEJANDRO and ANTONIO AUGIAR PENA, THE GUY WHO HAD THE EQUIPMENT. He did the heavy work at cost for material and fuel. We gave them what money we had collected, and they got other donations, both from Americans and local pangeros.
THESE GUYS ARE REAL HEROS de MULEGE!

ALL work on the ramp itself is being spearheaded by Alejandro. Many, as noted by some prior posts, have given him money directly.

SO... if you are here in Mulege and want to contribute, give it to Alex. If you are still "up north" and want to get it here before you come down, send it to me by the PayPal method, and I will get it to him get it to Alex.

gallesram - 11-21-2014 at 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by Subastador

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Originally posted by chuckie
Alex is a git er dun kinda guy....

Thanks for the update; I'm definitely in. I sent you a U2U but if you could post your PayPal address for others too it may generate a few more donations. I didn't see this update until just now; great news! Maybe a few pictures of the progress too will generate even more interest.

dorado50 - 11-21-2014 at 03:24 PM

Launched my 20' CC @ 2800lbs. @ high tide no problem. Retrieved at low tide no problem with two wheel drive, no tire spin at all.

I like the slope of the ramp. Need more donations to pour that concrete though............. :bounce: