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Rosetta Stone or other Spanish programs?

TLBaja79 - 10-24-2014 at 07:45 AM

I am looking for a good Spanish program to learn me some better Spanish!
I had a decent base back in high school but it has eroded over the years and in no way has it gotten any better. I wish I could go spend months down south of the border living and speaking Spanish but that's not happening anytime soon. I'm able to get by on the basics and have a decent vocabulary but far from fluent.

Has anybody used Rosetta Stone or any other programs out there?
I'd be interested to hear from the nomads before pulling the trigger on $250+

bajalearner - 10-24-2014 at 08:15 AM

Be careful if buying one from Craigslist.

I bought a rosetta stone program off Craigslist for $50. which turned out to be just a few levels of the program. I installed it on my laptop before purchasing but didn't realize it was only a small portion until after I used it awhile. I did get some use from it and wasn't impressed. $250 is too much. But everyone learns in different ways.

Have you done a search for "free Spanish lessons"?

For me, having a person teach me is the best way. Do you have time to use an adult school or community college?

cj5orion - 10-24-2014 at 08:25 AM

I did some searching on the net for spanish "lessons"

nada !

jim1944 - 10-24-2014 at 09:36 AM

Try looking for podcasts. There are several different series.

DavidT - 10-24-2014 at 09:47 AM

https://www.duolingo.com

Fluent Forever by Gabriel Wyner is also very helpful in how to learn other languages.

DENNIS - 10-24-2014 at 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by TLBaja79
I am looking for a good Spanish program to learn me some better Spanish!



Classic. Thank you.

DENNIS - 10-24-2014 at 10:09 AM

Try this. The price is right:

http://spanish.about.com/od/learnspanishgrammar/

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[Edited on 10-24-2014 by DENNIS]

güéribo - 10-24-2014 at 10:10 AM

I agree with bajalearner. The best way, if possible, is to find a conversation partner. Language is relational. The motivation to be understood--by a real human being--is what causes us to improve.

I used to be a language teacher. I noticed that the students who put their heads down into their books and didn't interact with classmates rarely improved. They learned words, verb forms, etc. They could fill out a worksheet. But they usually didn't reach the point of being able to use the language in the real world--to have a conversation!

Lee - 10-24-2014 at 10:17 AM

Rosetta Stone is great. Word/picture/verbal accelerated type learning. Class is where your laptop is. Intensives at Se Habla-La Paz helped to. Berlitz doesn't work for me. Classes in La Paz involved homework and lots of writing and that was useful. If you're only interested in conversational Spanish, then any paperback covering real life situations is good. I'll never be fluent but I can be understood.

DENNIS - 10-24-2014 at 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by Lee
I'll never be fluent but I can be understood.


That's one of the troubles with them pesky Messicans. Most are just too gracious to tell you different. :lol:

weebray - 10-24-2014 at 10:37 AM

I second duolingo, very good intro. But nothing beats one on one with a private teacher.

bajalearner - 10-24-2014 at 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by TLBaja79
I am looking for a good Spanish program to learn me some better Spanish!



Classic. Thank you.


:lol:

pauldavidmena - 10-24-2014 at 04:03 PM

SpanishPod101 has some professionally produced podcasts at multiple levels. The basic subscription is free, but to get access to transcripts and other language tools one has to pay for the "Premium" package. The "Premium Plus" package includes 1-on-1 instruction for $23 a month.

Better than any program has been a local Spanish conversation MeetUp group that meets for a couple of hours every other week. My particular group consists of native Spanish speakers, educators, and people like me who don't get to practice enough here in the suburbs of Boston. There are many similar groups through the U.S., so that might be an easy (and free) way to gain some conversational proficiency.

Alm - 10-24-2014 at 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by jim1944
Try looking for podcasts. There are several different series.

x2.

Don't know if this would workl for somebody on intermediate level, but it helped me a lot to get from "very basic" (read - a few phrases) to intermediate, including past and future tenses. Yes, I can "habla" now.

Coffee Break Spanish by Radio Lingua is the best of podcasts that I know, and it's free for download on Itunes. 80 lessons total.

Without ANY high-school Spanish, having started it at nearly-retirement age, I tried different free methods:

DVDs from library - rip, watch, repeat. Some success, not much. It should be fun, otherwise you won't learn. Standard Deviants series was fun - don't remember if I made it through 3 or 4 of their DVD before found Coffee Break. They do explain grammar in Deviants.

Textbooks - boring, and no interaction, no sounds, no feedback. Some grammar can only be explained through textbooks though.

Was about to buy some $$$ program, possibly that famous Rosetta, but then read an interesting research where they concluded that Rosetta IS NOT SUITABLE FOR ADULTS. Doesn't work well. Because adult brain needs explanations, while Rosetta doesn't explain anything, they talk in Spanish and show pictures - a lot of static pictures btw, not always a movie. Very interesting research, with statistical data showing that people who were happy with Rosetta, were mostly those in the process of learning, while people who have already learned, have used methods other than Rosetta, and majority of those were using podcasts. Yes, Rosetta includes online video-classes, don't know how many, but I'm sure not enough.

There are also nice series on Youtube, called Extra en Espanol - with subtitles both in Esp and Engl. Try different sources, 'cause sometimes subtitles are in Esp and Russian :). Very funny series, but this is more for practice than learning. They use all the tenses and conjugations from the very 1st episode, and never explain anything.

Edit - PS: Why is this post here in General Questions? don't we have Spanish section on Nomads?

[Edited on 10-24-2014 by Alm]

TLBaja79 - 10-26-2014 at 09:16 AM

Awesome thanks for the ideas, I'm going to skip the $250 and check out some of the podcasts.

I couldn't agree more that being down in Mexico talking Spanish is by far the best but unfortunately I'm a loooong ways from being able to spend a lot of time south of the border.

DENNIS - 10-26-2014 at 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by TLBaja79


I couldn't agree more that being down in Mexico talking Spanish is by far the best


I disagree in a way. Spoken Spanish...the vernacular.... is a large part incorrect and will make much more sense with a correct, solid foundation. Home study will give you a lot of this.
When all the dust settles, it becomes clear that the biggest obstacle to learning a language [or anything] is an inadequate level of desire. You really have to want it or it's just another tedious job.

Alm - 10-26-2014 at 10:53 AM

Practice makes it perfect. Speaking with locals helps, but only after you've already learned enough vocabulary and past/future/conditional/subjunctive grammar.

Podcasts worked for me because my work involves a lot of waiting (read - waiting for action). Management is OK with me having ear buds from Smartphone on such times, from their point of view this is better than reading a newspaper or snoring. OTH, I had a huge incentive to listen to podcasts because had nothing better to do :)

I downloaded all the Coffee Break lessons from Itunes, they are numbered 1 to 80. I renamed them by adding the endings "-Preter", "Fut", "Perf", "Health" etc, and listened off-line. Repetition is the key, you're not going to learn anything if listen to it only once. MP3 player or Ipod or any Smartphone - whatever you have.

Coffee Podcasts are free, transcripts are not. They are Scottish, but you'll soon get used to accent. Also, they use both Spaniard's "TH" sound for S,Z,C and Mexican "S" sound for the same, can be distracting at times. I did familiarize myself with basic grammar and pronunciation prior to this, so could figure out the spelling of most words without transcripts. Standard Deviants DVD and (very boring) printouts from Spanish Grammar helped me with grammar.

Btw, Spanish.about.com is an excellent source for grammar when you can't grasp something otherwise.

Duolingo I didn't know about, have checked it just now, seems like too simple and too brief course. Not enough practice, examples and repetition, and too much typing. Try it though, maybe you'll like it.

Here is a nice interactive series:
Mi vida loca

and podcasts that I listened to before had found Coffee Break Spanish: Discover Spanish. 6 units *6 lessons, 36 lessons total. Short basic course, but maybe this is what you need. Download it so that you'll skip the annoying intro at the beginning of each lesson.

Different things work for different people.

[Edited on 10-26-2014 by Alm]

BajaBlanca - 10-26-2014 at 08:47 PM

interesting how varied the opinions are. Les learned a LOT when he used Rosetta stone for Spanish and I have used itftwice - once for Italian when we were headed to Italy and then again for Polish before we went to meet Les's family.

I really liked it and Les's Spanish comprehension improved tremendously.

A teacher can be the best solution but then again - it depends on the teacher.

Best of luck.

[Edited on 10-27-2014 by BajaBlanca]

kiterkip - 10-27-2014 at 06:25 AM

If you do try Rosetta Stone, be sure to also use the Audio Companion to Rosetta Stone. I find it to be very helpful. Once you have run through the actual PC/Laptop chapter... you then play the Audio Companion in your car, or on your walk. Every time a word or concept comes up, your brain sees the image that you studied last week on the PC.
Works great... all that's left now is some discipline :)

Pescador - 10-27-2014 at 08:23 AM

I did not like the approach in Rosetra stone and found for conversational spanish that Learning Spanish Like Crazy was a more helpful approach.