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7 year old caught in crossfire

rts551 - 11-6-2014 at 10:29 AM

La Paz 5 Nov....Ya. I know it happens in Timbuck2.

http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/nino-lesionado-en-balacera-en-la-p...

latina - 11-6-2014 at 10:51 AM

Governor just announced that they will be enforcing the ban on polarized windows in vehicles and will be checking license plates to verify cars aren't stolen....think it will do any good?

LancairDriver - 11-6-2014 at 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by rts551
La Paz 5 Nov....Ya. I know it happens in Timbuck2.

(Following posted by Lancair Driver)
Most always compared to US. Here are some interesting statistics.

WORLD MURDER STATISTICS
From the World Health Organization

The latest Murder Statistics for the world:
Murders per 100,000 citizens per year.

Honduras 91.6 (WOW!!)
El Salvador 69.2
Cote d'lvoire 56.9
Jamaica 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
US Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.8
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-Leste 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname 4.6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.2

And .............................................

The United States 4.2 !!!!!!!!!!!!

ALL (109) of the countries above the listing for the USA have 100% gun bans.

It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND is not shown on this list because it has
NO MURDER OCCURRENCE!

However, SWITZERLAND 'S law requires that EVERYONE:
1. Own a gun.
2. Maintain Marksman qualifications .... Regularly .

Learn anything from this??

I think the message is - loud and clear - that gun bans and restrictions DO NOT work!

--

"During times of universal deceit,
telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
-George Orwell

[Edited on 11-6-2014 by LancairDriver]

[Edited on 11-6-2014 by LancairDriver]

bajaguy - 11-6-2014 at 11:02 AM

Yup, that will go a long way in stopping the violence

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Originally posted by latina
Governor just announced that they will be enforcing the ban on polarized windows in vehicles and will be checking license plates to verify cars aren't stolen....think it will do any good?

hombre66 - 11-6-2014 at 11:12 AM

Are you "assuming" that all the murders in those other countries were caused by guns? ;o)

Bielefeld - 11-6-2014 at 11:22 AM

@LancairDriver and rts551

You better check the whole List: Switzerland has 0.7 murders but there is no such law as to have to own a gun!!! Only that the military reserves keep their guns at home. And they have one of the highes suicide rates in the world because of that.

Don't be proud of the US numbers!!!!

Here is the list complete.

Murders per 100,000 inhabitants (2011)

Country

Murders
per 100,000 inhabitants

Hong Kong 0.2
Iceland 0.3
Singapore 0.3
French Polynesia 0.4
Japan 0.4
Bahrain 0.6
Guam 0.6
Norway 0.6
Austria 0.6
Macao 0.7
Oman 0.7
Switzerland 0.7
Slovenia 0.7
Germany 0.8
Spain 0.8
Denmark 0.9
Italy 0.9
Qatar 0.9
Micronesia 0.9
New Zealand 0.9
Vanuatu 0.9
Australia 1,0
Bhutan 1,0
China 1,0
Malta 1,0
Saudi Arabia 1,0
Sweden 1,0
Tonga 1,0
France 1,1
Netherlands 1,1
Poland 1,1
Samoa 1,1
Tunisia 1,1
Egypt 1,2
Ireland 1,2
Portugal 1,2
Serbia 1,2
United Kingdom 1,2
Hungary 1,3
Armenia 1,4
Croatia 1,4
Morocco 1,4
Algeria 1,5
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1,5
Greece 1,5
Slovakia 1,5
Somalia 1,5
Canada 1,6
Maldives 1,6
Vietnam 1,6
Belgium 1,7
Czechia 1,7
Cyprus 1,7
Macedonia 1,9
São Tomé and Príncipe 1,9
Bulgaria 2,0
Iraq 2,0
Romania 2,0
Israel 2,1
Tajikistan 2,1
Azerbaijan 2,2
Finland 2,2
Kuwait 2,2
Lebanon 2,2
Syria 2,3
Afghanistan 2,4
Luxembourg 2,5
Mauritius 2,5
Korea, R 2,6
Bangladesh 2,7
Liechtenstein 2,8
Nepal 2,8
Libya 2,9
Iran 3,0
Latvia 3,1
Uzbekistan 3,1
Chile 3,2
Taiwan 3,2
Turkey 3,3
Argentina 3,4
Djibouti 3,4
India 3,4
Montenegro 3,5
Sri Lanka 3,6
Solomon Islands 3,7
Niger 3,8
Albania 4,0
Yemen 4,2
Northern Mariana Islands 4,2
USA 4,2
Georgia 4,3
Laos, DV 4,6
Suriname 4,6
Thailand 4,8
Belarus 4,9
Cuba 5.0
Estonia 5,2
Ukraine 5,2
Philippines 5,4
Uruguay 5,9
Lithuania 6,6
Antigua and Barbuda 6,8
Haiti 6,9
East Timor 6,9
Kiribati 7,3
Moldova 7,5
Pakistan 7,8
Mali 8.0
Indonesia 8,1
Madagascar 8,1
Cayman Islands 8,4
Mongolia 8,7
Senegal 8,7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8,7
Kazakhstan 8,8
Mozambique 8,8
Bolivia 8,9
Nauru 9,8
Liberia 10.1
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Peru 10.3
Gambia 10.8
Togo 10.9
Barbados 11.3
Costa Rica 11.3
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Cape Verde 11.6
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Bermuda 12.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Nicaragua 13.6
Gabon 13.8
Zimbabwe 14.3
Botswana 14.5
Mauritania 14.7
Sierra Leone 14.9
Benin 15.1
Korea 15.2
Ghana 15.7
Chad 15.8
Rwanda 17.1
Eritrea 17.8
Burkina Faso 18.0
Ecuador 18.2
Guyana 18.6
Angola 19.0
Greenland 19.2
Cameroons 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Kenya 20.1
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Brazil 21.0
Panama 21.6
Burundi 21.7
Congo 21.7
Dominica 22.1
Guinea 22.5
Mexico 22.7
St. Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Sudan 24.2
Tanzania 24.5
Dominican Rep. 25.0
St. Lucia 25.2
Ethiopia 25.5
Puerto Rico 26.2
Bahamas 27.4
Central African Republic 29.3
Congo R 30.8
South Africa 31.8
Colombia 33.4
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Malawi 36.0
Uganda 36.3
Zambia 38.0
St. Kitts and Nevis 38.2
Guatemala 38.5
Am. Virgin Islands 39.2
Belize 41.4
Venezuela 45.1
Jamaica 52.2
Ivory Coast 56.9
El Salvador 69.2
Honduras 91.6

bajaguy - 11-6-2014 at 11:23 AM

If you are dead, it doesn't really matter how you got there

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Originally posted by hombre66
Are you "assuming" that all the murders in those other countries were caused by guns? ;o)

Hook - 11-6-2014 at 11:25 AM

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Are police cars in Mexico equipped with links to computer databases? Or are they just going to be used at random checkpoints?

It always amazes me how large the percentage of vehicles without ANY license plate is in Mexico. Supposedly, a lot of it is from crooks who steal license plates of legal cars and put them on illegal cars and then use that vehicle in the commission of a crime. Much easier to steal a plate than steal a car.

Of course, NOTHING will work, unless you have a police force with the gumption to confront these gangs and enforce the laws and/or the gumption to resist their bribes. NOTHING, NADA will work with this.

And since that doesnt exist, well...........it's all pretty futile.

Hook - 11-6-2014 at 11:32 AM

I'd really like to see these murder rates filtered to remove domestic violence, i.e., violence committed by one family member on another. That is an EXTREMELY large portion of the murder rate by guns, in the US. But it doesnt reflect the types of murders that many of these countries are experiencing, especially Mexico.

I really don't worry much about domestic violence.

Well, at least I DIDN'T worry about it much until I recently saw the movie, Gone Girl.

That is one amazing movie that had my circle of friends talking about for several days afterwards.

motoged - 11-6-2014 at 11:39 AM

Gone Girl....the husband was as crazy as his wife (or is that just Ben Affleck/ :biggrin

....he stayed cuz he hadn't had enough of her yet :wow:

chuckie - 11-6-2014 at 11:40 AM

That statement about the 109 counties above the US on the 1st list is as bogus as it gets....Total gun bans? Horse hockey...In many of those countries, every person who can carry one has an AK....Been there, seen it...Kazakstan? Ukraine? Anyone ever watch the news? Croatia? Geez

bajaguy - 11-6-2014 at 11:43 AM

How about Washington DC and Chicago....gun bans seem to be working there

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Originally posted by chuckie
That statement about the 109 counties above the US on the 1st list is as bogus as it gets....Total gun bans? Horse hockey...In many of those countries, every person who can carry one has an AK....Been there, seen it...Kazakstan? Ukraine? Anyone ever watch the news? Croatia? Geez

chuckie - 11-6-2014 at 12:32 PM

Thats true and dont forget Cleveland

mtgoat666 - 11-6-2014 at 12:51 PM

regardless of what is happening in chicago or croatia, back on topic, seems like every day in la paz there is a gun battle in the streets or a few random bodies discovered in the streets,...

worse than the dengue epidemic!

rts551 - 11-6-2014 at 01:08 PM

seems like a lot of people like distractions from the fact that a 7 year old boy was shot when caught in the crossfire. not any posts showing a concern there. mostly more political rants

Lancair... alot of good a gun would have done this young boy, huh.

[Edited on 11-6-2014 by rts551]

willardguy - 11-6-2014 at 01:17 PM

hey at least you got one reply before the blowhards turned it to chit! the poor la paz cruise ship guy never even made it out of the gate! :lol:

chuckie - 11-6-2014 at 01:51 PM

I'm not sure how one is supposed to respond....Its an awful thing and happens way too often. I am an avid hunter shooter and have been since wee hood. BUT I believe there are too many guns on the streets in our country and others under too little control. I broke ranks with the NRA long ago when they started the crusade of an assault weapon in every hand, under the banner of the second amendment. We have no way of knowing, but I think the folks that drafted the great document which contains it, would NOT have objected to common sense being applied. Instead we have allowed, no, almost insisted that the country be flooded with weapons that have almost no useful purpose in sport shooting or hunting. I only need one shot to kill an elk,not 30. Now there are millions of these guns on the streets, available to almost anyone...We are long gone down the road on this one...Yeah I know, Guns dont kill people, people kill people....But they can do it pretty easily these days...

bajabuddha - 11-6-2014 at 02:54 PM

The gist of this thread is not the right to bear arms in our country, but the slaughter of innocent lives in Mexico due to collateral damage from Cartel shoot-outs. They don't give two chits who gets hit, and it actually helps their reputation as ruthless assassins, making the public shut up and run when they see illegal activity. Stand up to them? Suicide.

The one answer that will stem and control (not cure) the problem is to LEGALIZE POT. Prohibition is slowly being chipped away here, and non-users are starting to see the light; two more States and the District of Columbia just voted so. The Cartels will always have their illicit wares to transport and distribute, but the tremendous amount of (just) pot-related crimes burden our system, and it's still the #1 import by 'the bad guys' into the U.S.. We haven't learned anything from Alfonse Capone and buddies.

It's just a short distance away; legalize possession of 2 ounces or less, and home-cultivation of no more than 6 plants... penalties for sales, depending on size and amount. Nationally and Federally. Take away their cash cow, and go after the chemical makers; they leave a trail from all the supplies they need for the more dangerous drugs. Until then, the trail they leave will be collateral blood trails in the streets.

And, for the gun-toters out there (I have 4), if you think you're going to shoot back at a couple of black SUV's with AK's blazing, they'll remember you for sure. They have long memories. You pseudo-statisticians can prove anything with a spin from numbers, or the bible.... the real truth is, a little kid is dead, and your 'rights' or 'numbers' didn't do that child any good. It's just too horribly bad it's spilled into Baja now; used to be apart from the carnage, but so did the resort towns of Acapulco and Puerto Vallarta, too. Pandora has opened another box........

Loretana - 11-6-2014 at 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by bajabuddha

.... the real truth is, a little kid is dead, and your 'rights' or 'numbers' didn't do that child any good.

The child was injured, shot in the leg, according to the news article. That's the good news.

:saint:

Locally, here in Loreto, we see a heavy presence of SEDENA troops in convoys....these are Professional Marines, and they look like they mean business.

dtbushpilot - 11-6-2014 at 03:41 PM

I don't have any argument with legalizing pot in the US but I don't think it will have any impact on organized crime in Mexico. These cartel guys aren't going to apply for a job at Pemex when their pot income dries up. There are lots of ways to make a buck illegally, human trafficking, extortion, kidnapping etc. I think I'd rather let them have their pot income than have them sending you body parts of your loved one in a ransom demand.

micah202 - 11-6-2014 at 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by bajabuddha
The one answer that will stem and control (not cure) the problem is to LEGALIZE POT.

...LaPaz...the boy...crossfire....gangs.............do you think that's mostly over pot?.....I'd be guessing Coca and meth,no? :?:

bajabuddha - 11-6-2014 at 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by micah202

Quote:

Originally posted by bajabuddha
The one answer that will stem and control (not cure) the problem is to LEGALIZE POT.

...LaPaz...the boy...crossfire....gangs.............do you think that's mostly over pot?.....I'd be guessing Coca and meth,no? :?:

Indirectly, i'd say yes, it is over pot first, as that is still their primary export for now. As I first stated, it isn't going to get rid of the Cartels; we still have The Mob in our own backyard, and always will. My point is that prohibition makes for bigger gangsters with more power; when alcohol was re-legalized, the shoot-em-up Chicago days lessened. Illicit drugs will always be a bane of (especially our) society, but pot shouldn't be 'illicit'. Not to mention the burden it puts on our incarceration system; we have more people in jail than anywhere in the world, and a very large quantity of it is from simple possession. It would lessen our jail overcrowding and spending, and allow a closer and more focused attack on 'cooked' drugs.

chuckie - 11-6-2014 at 04:51 PM

Ah Si.....But does it matter?

willardguy - 11-6-2014 at 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
I don't have any argument with legalizing pot in the US but I don't think it will have any impact on organized crime in Mexico. These cartel guys aren't going to apply for a job at Pemex when their pot income dries up. There are lots of ways to make a buck illegally, human trafficking, extortion, kidnapping etc. I think I'd rather let them have their pot income than have them sending you body parts of your loved one in a ransom demand.

there's your answer! to say nothing yet everything, it is what it is.

Pompano - 11-6-2014 at 05:36 PM

The death of any child anywhere is terrible.

I just watched a report on the news about 4 people who were run over in Oregon while walking on their neighborhood sidewalk during trick or treat time on Halloween eve. A 7-year-old girl was killed, and another child and 2 adults are hospitalized in serious condition. The driver reported to police that he lost control during a 'lane change', swerved, jumped the curb and ran over the group walking on the sidewalk. Unfortunately, he escaped injury.

The driver admitted to having smoked pot in the last 2 hours and also was a frequent user of meth. He is currently in jail and charged with the death of the little girl.

In todays courts he may get a fine. For sure he will be able to smoke pot again anytime he wants. The little girl does not have that option...she's dead.

DanO - 11-6-2014 at 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
The death of any child anywhere is terrible.

I just watched a report on the news about 4 people who were run over in Oregon while walking on their neighborhood sidewalk during trick or treat time on Halloween eve. A 7-year-old girl was killed, and another child and 2 adults are hospitalized in serious condition. The driver reported to police that he lost control during a 'lane change', swerved, jumped the curb and ran over the group walking on the sidewalk. Unfortunately, he escaped injury.

The driver admitted to having smoked pot in the last 2 hours and also was a frequent user of meth. He is currently in jail and charged with the death of the little girl.

In todays courts he may get a fine. For sure he will be able to smoke pot again anytime he wants. The little girl does not have that option...she's dead.

I don't think he just gets a fine, Roger. In that case, it's not a question of possession, it's a question of killing someone with a vehicle while under the influence. For those purposes, Oregon's (and I suspect most states') restrictions on pot are even stricter than on alcohol:

"It is illegal to drive a vehicle while under the influence of marijuana, alcohol, other drugs, or a combination of substances. When alcohol is involved, a blood alcohol level of 0.08 percent of the driver's blood, by volume, will conclusively establish that the driver is under the influence (if the level is less, the prosecutor can still point to the driver's actions to prove that he was under the influence).

When marijuana is involved, however, any amount of marijuana that was in the driver’s blood or urine while he was driving will establish that the driver was under the influence. (Or. Rev. Stat. Ann. § 813.010.)

This guy will be doing time for criminally negligent homicide, at a minimum.

Pompano - 11-6-2014 at 06:08 PM

I know, DanO...I was being deliberately flippant. Enforcement of present day drug laws is becoming a thing of the past.

I have two beautiful and healthy grandgirls. The thought of this creep getting his high and killing a little girl makes my blood boil.

DanO - 11-6-2014 at 06:29 PM

As it should. Seems like being a kid these days is like running a fricking gauntlet. A sorry state of affairs. I blame the internet (present company excepted of course).