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Airplane Rental California to Baja

TLBaja79 - 11-9-2014 at 01:42 PM

Hola Pilots
Does anybody know the cost of renting a plane from Southern California and flying it to Loreto and back?

I am not a pilot but a friend flies private planes and wants to fly down to Loreto. I'm sure some of you would know the details of doing this.

Or any contacts of companies that rent planes and are able to fly down to Baja.

I'm sure there are TONS of details but we are just looking into costs for now.

Thanks!

Brown Field

bajaguy - 11-9-2014 at 01:44 PM

He might want to check with an FBO at Brown Field, San Diego (Otay area)

http://www.firstflightcorp.com/first-flight-corp.-fleet.htm

C-182, $120/hr - wet

PA-32, $145/hr - wet

[Edited on 11-9-2014 by bajaguy]

capt. mike - 11-10-2014 at 09:53 AM

Yes, Tom Sarvis at 1st Flight is very good. Those planes are slow but haul plenty. Better allow 3.5 each way min to MMLT and back. and that with no winds, expect a header coming back. so maybe 7-8 hours budget.

And fees up the wazoo. Visas, pax dep tax, pilot's multi-entry permit for the gen dec and it is calendar based so at Jan 1st 2015 if he goes again same fee and drill.
Also Mexico now has an eAPIS system you need to comply with like USA. If he's not current on Mexican and stateside customs procedures he should join BPI and get briefed.

I don't go currently cause it is a royal pain and expensive. I've had 35 years of good Baja flying when it was easy, cheap and fun. No problem stopping unless I get a real reason to go. Such as a good friend moving his 54 ft motor sailor to la paz soon. ;^))

LancairDriver - 11-10-2014 at 12:34 PM

X2 on Mikes post. As much as private aviation has contributed to the BAJA economy and people, it appears Mexico is trying hard to discourage it. Probably at the behest of the U.S. government. When you compare the difficulty and expense involved with flying in and out of Mexico to driving in and out, you have to wonder when the same format will be applied to ground transport.

weebray - 11-10-2014 at 03:00 PM

The US government is a separate entity from the US citizenry. The US government does not consider it to be in the citizenry's best interest for people in private aircraft to fly across it's national borders. They consider it a galling and capricious frivolity. This situation is a part of our national paranoia and will not get better any time soon.

Cliffy - 11-11-2014 at 10:37 PM

Used to do it a lot but now with most of the old runways closed and the high cost and issues I have given it up. Just not fun anymore. Actually you will find airline flights are much easier and may also be cheaper in the long run. Go to TJ airport and catch a flight. Cheap and easy compared to flying yourself.

rzitren - 11-12-2014 at 07:24 AM

Quick Hijack
Looking for information on the airport on Cedros Island. Is it still open? Have not landed there in 20 years. Thanks

David K - 11-12-2014 at 09:31 AM

A reminder that Baja Nomad has a forum for private pilots: http://forums.bajanomad.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=36

rzitren, until you hear differently, I think the airport on Cedros will always be there as long as there is a large town there that supports the salt works. Salt is barged to Isla Cedros from Scammon's Lagoon and then transferred to deep sea vessels at Cedros. Flights still go to Isla Cedros from Ensenada and Guerrero Negro, last I read.

capt. mike - 11-12-2014 at 09:33 AM

When planes are outlawed, only outlaws will have planes.

Pompano - 11-12-2014 at 11:04 AM

TLBaja79, I wish you great luck in your quest. Getting to Loreto from San Diego by plane is not a problem, but small plane travel in Baja is becoming a problem.

I agree with the complaints and true reports about the decline of private flights. We used to contribute so much to the economy of some far-flung places in Baja. Year after year for a long, long time we used to fly into those pistas that were sometimes only flat places we had graded with an old rusted truck frame pulled by a pickup and chain. That was good enough.

Like the old strip by Posada that so many pilots helped to maintain...long ago dug up by the government. So sad...and So Long. Baja, she's changed so fast....that old strip is only a faint memory now, a place where folks walk their dogs or jog.

The old photo below is one of many on my old surfboard photo board hanging on the veranda.



1987. Shows when we flew 22 planes from a Baja pilots rally happening at Pta. Chivato on a day trip over to the Posada strip. Then I ferried everyone in my motorhome for the grand opening of the original Bony's Café at Rcho. Coyote.




Hah...as usual in those Baja days, the café was not quite prepared for the event. Not enough food, not enough tables, or dinnerware? Hah, you just laughed and said..No problem. I stopped a fish truck heading south on the highway and bought enough fish. (Remember those?..You knew it was a fish truck when you saw the melting ice water coming out the rear doors) Then we loaded tables, chairs, and eating equipment from mi casa and hauled to Bony's. Everyone paid Bony a per person fee anyway. We all got fed and had a ball...as you could only have in Baja back in the day.

And it's a damn shame to say goodbye to that part of Baja travel.

weebray - 11-12-2014 at 12:37 PM

Pompano, That looks like my old 180 in the top of the photo? (N7816A) I too logged many hours in Baja but every trip a new layer of regulation added too much burden to bother anymore. I remember a "short snout" perro at Ceralvo. We used to stop there to pick up lobster on the way home. According to the locals the dog lost part of his snout to a prop. when he was a pup. The owner told me he stuck it in the fire to seal it up and the pup survived. It was weird looking, pretty much all you could see was a mangled set of teeth. He came out to greet us but gave us a wide berth.

Pompano - 11-12-2014 at 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by weebray
Pompano, That looks like my old 180 in the top of the photo? (N7816A) I too logged many hours in Baja but every trip a new layer of regulation added too much burden to bother anymore. I remember a "short snout" perro at Ceralvo. We used to stop there to pick up lobster on the way home. According to the locals the dog lost part of his snout to a prop. when he was a pup. The owner told me he stuck it in the fire to seal it up and the pup survived. It was weird looking, pretty much all you could see was a mangled set of teeth. He came out to greet us but gave us a wide berth.


weebray, that 180 taildragger was and is my old flying buddy, Dusty's, plane. At one time he equipped it with tundra tires and landed just about anywhere he wanted to in some very remote places (beaches) in Baja. He had/has very good skills as a pilot, still flying water bombers wherever needed. Was a helicopter pilot in Vietnam with 2 tours...slicks. Yesterday was his day.

Good Baja story about the short snout dog.



[Edited on 11-12-2014 by Pompano]

Bajahowodd - 11-12-2014 at 05:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by capt. mike
When planes are outlawed, only outlaws will have planes.


Thanks, Wayne!:lol::lol:

chavycha - 11-17-2014 at 09:10 PM

Those rental rates are ridiculously low. A 172M for $85 and a 182J with G430 for $120?

Unless 100LL is about $3 cheaper in San Diego than it is here, I don't know how they're renting out that cheap.


Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
He might want to check with an FBO at Brown Field, San Diego (Otay area)

http://www.firstflightcorp.com/first-flight-corp.-fleet.htm

C-182, $120/hr - wet

PA-32, $145/hr - wet

[Edited on 11-9-2014 by bajaguy]

Ateo - 11-17-2014 at 09:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pompano
Quote:
Originally posted by weebray
Pompano, That looks like my old 180 in the top of the photo? (N7816A) I too logged many hours in Baja but every trip a new layer of regulation added too much burden to bother anymore. I remember a "short snout" perro at Ceralvo. We used to stop there to pick up lobster on the way home. According to the locals the dog lost part of his snout to a prop. when he was a pup. The owner told me he stuck it in the fire to seal it up and the pup survived. It was weird looking, pretty much all you could see was a mangled set of teeth. He came out to greet us but gave us a wide berth.


weebray, that 180 taildragger was and is my old flying buddy, Dusty's, plane. At one time he equipped it with tundra tires and landed just about anywhere he wanted to in some very remote places (beaches) in Baja. He had/has very good skills as a pilot, still flying water bombers wherever needed. Was a helicopter pilot in Vietnam with 2 tours...slicks. Yesterday was his day.

Good Baja story about the short snout dog.



[Edited on 11-12-2014 by Pompano]


Nice photo of some dunes and what appears to be a large sandy beach runway. Can you disclose the location?

dtbushpilot - 11-17-2014 at 09:37 PM

Some planes belong in the Baja dirt.....



This is Bahia Asuncion...

[Edited on 11-18-2014 by dtbushpilot]

chavycha - 11-17-2014 at 10:08 PM

So very jealous of that pic. By my math it'd be about a 9 hour flight from here in a 180 or 182...

where is "here"

capt. mike - 11-18-2014 at 08:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chavycha
So very jealous of that pic. By my math it'd be about a 9 hour flight from here in a 180 or 182...


I can go non-stop from PHX to La Paz in 4.5 hours , same time from KSDM. granted I am 15- 20 kts faster than a 182. And I outrun my local friend's 180 by more. So where are you that it would take 9 hours to get to MMLT?

And oh, my direct time to MMLT is 3 to 3.5 hours depending on winds. Love my time machine. Just not doing any Baja currently.

Pompano - 11-18-2014 at 10:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ateo

Nice photo of some dunes and what appears to be a large sandy beach runway. Can you disclose the location?


Just now noticed your request about that beach and it brought back lots of memories. I'd give you the exact co-ordinates if I had them, Ateo...but I do not. About all I can tell you is that photo was taken on the Baja Pacific coast somewhere north of Mag Bay. Many great surf breaks, beaches, and camping areas. We flew so many trips around Baja from Mulege I can't recall each one. We'd land here and there and camp...first buzzing to scare off the seagulls and check for bikinis. I made a collage of some of our flying Baja adventures. We cruised in the taildragger 180 at about 150mph and in the twin 310 at about 185 mph, so we covered some ground fast.




One interesting day on the Pacific was when we saw several whales broaching below..many coming straight up and crashing over in a spray of water. Very awesome sights...especially from the plane. I suggested to Dusty I wanted a photo close-up of a jumping whale from the c-ckpit..as it would claim a nice spot on my casa's surfboard collage. We went low for a bit, then he abruptly pulled up as one broached directly in front of us...and appeared to be at about our height. He grinned and said..."Maybe we don't want to be the first to have a mid-air with a whale?!"

Never had many dull moments in Baja.

chavycha - 11-18-2014 at 06:34 PM

Oregon (77S)... so 6 hours of it would be just to get to the border.

http://skyvector.com/?ll=30.5934741698489,-113.6206054646575...



Quote:
Originally posted by capt. mike

I can go non-stop from PHX to La Paz in 4.5 hours , same time from KSDM. granted I am 15- 20 kts faster than a 182. And I outrun my local friend's 180 by more. So where are you that it would take 9 hours to get to MMLT?

And oh, my direct time to MMLT is 3 to 3.5 hours depending on winds. Love my time machine. Just not doing any Baja currently.


[Edited on 11-19-2014 by chavycha]