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Pheasants & memories

chuckie - 11-16-2014 at 05:38 PM

Last Saturday, drove back to the homeplace, for the Pheasant opener. NW Kansas on a perfect day, hunting with an old friend, and a couple of good dogs. After several years of severe drought, birds are coming back big time. Moving slowly, as I am having knee surgery next Thursday, managed to kill a limit of birds on Saturday and Sunday. Spent time with friends, farmers and and ranchers (the people that feed us). Drove a couple of rounds on a combine, harvesting corn..that felt good...Shot a good British Double, W J Jeffery mfg 1899....good guns, good people, great country...God Bless America!


Bajahowodd - 11-16-2014 at 05:47 PM

Duck Dynasty without the ducks.

chuckie - 11-16-2014 at 06:19 PM

Nah, they have more money....Well maybe...

bajabuddha - 11-16-2014 at 06:24 PM

Keep yer legs crossed Thursday; don't let 'em cut any higher.... :o

chuckie - 11-16-2014 at 06:47 PM

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: oops :no::no::no:

MMc - 11-16-2014 at 06:52 PM

Good on you!!! Nothing like a little hunting with good friends and good dogs. do you skin them or pluck?

chuckie - 11-16-2014 at 07:02 PM

Skin em...Filet out the breasts, sauteed in Garlic butter, served over noodles,with a cream sauce....Legs get collected in one milk container, frozen in water...last year brought about 100 to Mulege, cooked em all once for my Mexican neighbors...YES...

bajabuddha - 11-16-2014 at 10:26 PM

I used to skin 'em and cook in egg batter; but I found out if they were too tough, pluck 'em if they can't take a yolk.

:no: :bounce:

MMc - 11-17-2014 at 07:21 AM

And yoke em if they can't take a pluck.

Pescador - 11-17-2014 at 07:46 AM

We always took the legs, put them in the pressure cooker for a little bit, then rolled them in the usual stuff and browned them in the skillet. While in College in the San Luis Valley, we much preferred Pheasant to them mealy little chickens.

Pompano - 11-17-2014 at 08:48 AM

Good times afield, chuckie. Excellent hunting this year. Lots of sharptails, partridge, and ruffed grouse. Pheasants, too. Up here you have to keep your eyes open when driving to avoid collisions with the roosters.


We've had a few meals already. Pheasants, like a lot of upland game birds are normally a dry bird, but we use a recipe that keeps them wonderfully moist. It almost falls off the bone.



Place the pheasants into a large slow cooker. Wrap and drape bacon over the birds, covering the pheasants as much as you can. Whisk some condensed soup, sour cream, water, chopped onion, onion soup mix, and mushrooms together in a mixing bowl. Season to taste with salt and pepper. Pour over the pheasants.


Then use a crockpot or slow cooker....on Low for 8 to 10 hours, or on High for 5 to 7 hours. Get it ready early in the morning and you've got dinner waiting after the hunt. Be prepared to beat off extra hungry hunters.




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capt. mike - 11-17-2014 at 09:27 AM

Chuckie - ?? What town in NW KS? We hunt around Hoxie, Great Bend etc. I am from Hutchinson. Pheasant hunting is always a great pastime. My cousins have blinds at Cheyanne bottoms and are deadly on geese. I was supposed to go and then they polar vortex ruined my flight plans. We smoked ours, low for 8 hours. then foil wrapped till fork tender. Quails too.

chuckie - 11-17-2014 at 12:13 PM

Our place was 6 miles north of Bird City Ks....18 miles from Benkleman Nebraska.....21 miles from the Colorado border....

bufeo - 11-17-2014 at 01:44 PM

Nice, Chuckie. Really glad to see someone else using a doublegun. Nice looking box lock.

Do you hang your birds? I find that I'm in the minority around here. I hang them for three/four days (eviscerated, of course) and then skin the whole bird. I then separate breasts and the legs from the rest. The 'rest' usually goes into a "stoup" (a thick soup in our kitchen).

Allen R

motoged - 11-17-2014 at 03:22 PM

Yummie recipes !

Shingles and shovel in the truck box for when you get stuck in the farmer's field?

chuckie - 11-17-2014 at 04:42 PM

Nah, roofing a shed...never go ANYWHERE without a shovel.....and a pair of pliers...

capt. mike - 11-18-2014 at 08:52 AM

Allen I am going to try that, do you use any temp control? my cellar holds constant 62 degrees. have thought of dry curing meat in it.

bufeo - 11-19-2014 at 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
Allen I am going to try that, do you use any temp control? my cellar holds constant 62 degrees. have thought of dry curing meat in it.


Hi Mike, 62ºF is a bit warm in my book. When I hang pheasant, quail, partridge, or chukkar I generally do so in our garage, which here in cold-weather Idaho is usually in the 40-degree range. I have a couple of wall heaters and can adjust to mid-50s.

Although you'll find various opinions about length of time at what degree, I shoot for (no pun here) 3 to 7 days at 50º - 55ºF and daily check the "aroma" of the birds. I can't remember how I came by this rule, but it works for me.

Last year we were paid the highest of compliments by a long-time friend and bird-hunter extraordinaire. He's an octogenarian who lives in Hawaii and has traveled to N. America, S. America, and Europe to shoot game birds. He was having dinner with us and exclaimed on the pheasant Diana had prepared, saying "Without a doubt this is the very best pheasant I've ever had."

Dry-aging as you know is simply allowing meat to begin to rot and it's important to monitor the aging process. If you can find a spot in your cellar that is in the upper 50s, I'd give it a go, but probably for only a day or two (maybe three if near 55º). If you have a fridge that you can set to the low 50s, that would be better. Take one of the lower shelves out and hang the birds from an upper shelf. Again, it's important to not forget them.

Allen R.
BTW- still have my "Screaming Airlines" t-shirts, both long and short-sleeved. The long-sleeved one comes in handy up here. :yes:

chuckie - 11-19-2014 at 11:43 AM

When we were in Scotland a couple of years ago, we were served some hung grouse....I didnt care for them at all....perhaps hung too long..off putting flavor....Killed the tastse with some good single malt,so twasnt a total loss...

Pompano - 11-19-2014 at 02:01 PM

When I was a young kid and somewhat gullible yet, my uncles would often tell me of 'hanging' a goose, duck, or pheasant from the barn door by it's neck. They would say with a smile, “When it rotted enough to fall to the ground, it was ready to eat.” The very thought made you cring…

Whew...for sure, uncles...but ready to eat by what??

If you are not satisfied with any game that seems too ‘dry, tough, or gamey’, you might try this old method of brining and air-drying…just as popular and tasty today. The best tasting game birds I ever had were in my mother’s or aunt’s kitchen. It was called ‘Speckaschutt’…(spelling problem...never did learn the correct Norwegian spelling.) Back then everyone did this for game of all sorts. Some was also ‘put up’ or canned. You can make this with birds, game of all sorts, and even beef. It is unbelievably good. Note: Not to be confused with Smalahove, (sheeps head) …which you probably won’t be trying.

Using a container, submerge bird parts in a brine and keep in fridge for 6-24 hours. Brine can be any good one you like…such as sea salt, Worchestershire sauce, molasses, rosemary, bay leaves, pepper..or look up one if you don’t have a mother handy. Then wrap in cheesecloth and hang in cool, dark place, 32-40F…barn or garage (keep the dang cats out!)…for a couple weeks or taste ready. Eat as is or use in any recipe.

Brined and Hung. My favorite way to prepare an antelope shot this year. Used both hams and shoulders. When done hanging, I’ll just slice very thin and use as a snack or appetizer, like prosciutto only a helluva lot cheaper.

*edit to remove older hunting photos with our Playmate guide...tsk, tsk. I was naughty...again.



[Edited on 11-20-2014 by Pompano]

chuckie - 11-19-2014 at 02:45 PM

We did hams like that, ALA Smithfields from VA....Roger the guy on the right in the last pic. would be your grandson?:lol::lol::lol:

Pompano - 11-19-2014 at 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by chuckie
We did hams like that, ALA Smithfields from VA....Roger the guy on the right in the last pic. would be your grandson?:lol::lol::lol:


chuckie....you must be a psychic. Yes, that's my grandson, Lars, with his buddy, Randy, known as the Purple Sage.

p.s. uh chuckie...in your photo, which is older...you or the shotgun? ;) ;)

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chuckie - 11-19-2014 at 05:14 PM

The shotgun, actually, 16 Bore W.J. Jefferey, made 1899-1902....I am but 80..

Pompano - 11-19-2014 at 05:52 PM

I just added a rifle..a Sharps Creedmoor 45-70 mfg 1874. Yup, we both are/have old guns, but still able to load and fire to the mark.

capt. mike - 11-20-2014 at 11:19 AM

Thanks Allen, my cellar is actually the wine storage but with a walk in door and space of 10' x 4' x 8' high there is plenty of room. I set the cooler to 62 for economy but with winter here I can go to 55 no problem. So I may try a goose 1st.

By the way speaking of classic DBL barrels my Dad willed me his LC Smith dbl 12 Ga. It is a prize possession and deadly on Pheasant et al.

bufeo - 11-20-2014 at 11:23 AM

I couldn't handle all this discussion, so Rooney (my pointer) and I went out yesterday afternoon. Guess what's hanging in our garage. Okay, it's only one bird, but WTH it's a pheasant.

Nice doublegun, Mike.

Allen R.

capt. mike - 11-21-2014 at 09:20 AM

sweet!!

MMc - 11-21-2014 at 09:34 AM

Sounds like everybody did there part. I'm sure Rooney was happy too.

Russ - 11-21-2014 at 10:48 AM

Eastern Wash way back

:smug::smug:


Leader my 2nd Lab


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Russ - 11-21-2014 at 11:02 AM

Hunted mostly with my grandfathers model 97 and the others Ithica sxs 16 -- Mason my 1st Lab

Mason my 3rd Lab doesn't retrieve anything.

At 11 he's pretty laid back now


He did play beaver on my bathroom cabinet and door though this year.



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Pompano - 11-21-2014 at 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Russ
Hunted mostly with my grandfathers model 97 and the others Ithica sxs 16 --.

[Edited on 11-21-2014 by Russ]


Nice older shotguns. When very young I inherited a Winchester odel 97 12 ga. pump (with that dang thumb-busting exposed hammer) from my uncle Norman. Used it a lot... and learned the hard way about it's hammer.

On my 16th birthday, my father gave me a Ithaca 16 ga. pump action shotgun..model 'Featherweight' and has beautiful etching on it's receiver. It was my favorite pheasant gun back then for walking all those miles.


Rare shotguns these days. Both of these are in my collection.

bufeo - 11-21-2014 at 03:16 PM

What a great thread this is!

MMc Rooney was very happy. Her short tail was a blur as she retrieved the bird.

Russ, nice photos and nice looking Lab. Look at those eyes, "Who me, a beaver?"

I've passed along my 20-bore Ithaca Flues SxS to my granddaughter. It had been my uncle's and I acquired it in 1957. All my shotguns are doubles (two are O/Us the rest are SxS) and gauges are .410, 28, 20, and 12. It's embarrassing that I have more than one of several gauges, but I rationalize that my wife has more than one purse and I survive with a single wallet.

Allen R.

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chuckie - 11-21-2014 at 03:32 PM

I had knee surgery yesterday, and believe I will be well enough to head to Kansas again after Thanksgiving. I have 18 good doubles and will be shooting a 12 bore "G" grade Lefever on the next outing . The fat lab in the pic is not my dog..I'll get a pic of him at work next week..I have about a 3week window before I have to have a heart surgery, gonna maximize my time in the field....at 80 years young, dont want to miss any of it...stay well,all

Russ - 11-22-2014 at 08:02 AM

Gave almost all my guns to my brother's kids in CO. Hope they use them. Kept the Browning Lightning and an old pump 22 pump. I'd love to have both here....

bufeo - 11-22-2014 at 09:09 AM

chuckie I hope all goes well with your knee surgery recovery and the upcoming heart surgery. I'm trailing you by only two years, but so far (knock on head, closest thing to wood nearby) no R and R on any parts...yet.

You guys have some good guns in your cabinets.

At the risk of changing this thread to a "Baja" thread, have any of you shot birds in Baja? Funny thing with me, I shot birds (waterfowl, quail, and dove) in Baja many years before we had our house at Punta Bufeo. Over on the Melling Ranch and a couple of other places.

I began the paperwork on having legal shotguns down there but didn't complete the process. It wasn't overwhelming, the paperwork, etc., but we were just doing other things and none of them involved shooting at birds. I think now the process of having legal shotguns in Baja has changed and it's much more difficult. On my last trip to shoot on mainland of Mexico I used one of the guns at the lodge, and even that was over ten years ago.

Allen R.

Pompano - 11-22-2014 at 09:39 AM

Good thread, chuckie. Talking guns and hunting is always a pleasant pastime.

The Baja shotgun below was a Model 1912 Winchester 12ga. pump, commonly known as a Model 12. Photo was taken at Playa Buenaventura during some disagreements about 4-5 years ago. The fellow rested the shotgun on my pickup window while he talked to me. During the discussion, I unloaded it. Which is quite easy to do...just push the release button and pump out the shells...1-2-3 done. (3 if the plug is in)






Like always, never a dull moment in Baja.

bufeo, just noticed your post about bringing shotguns to Baja for doves, quail, etc. Yes, we used to...but not anymore.


A Winchester Model 42 .410 pump was our shotgun of choice for hunting doves in Baja years ago...this trip was in 1977. We would hunt the areas around Pta. Chivato and inland ranchos. Also fly over to Navajoa millet fields for excellent dove, duck, and quail. We always used the same guide/outfitter...Oscar Santandar. Hah...I remember one evening sitting with Oscar at a waterhole hunting javalinas...with his Remington Model 66 nylon .22 automatic rifle. I had one back home exactly like it. He thought that was the ultimate gun for wild pigs...Hoo boy.

It was a lot easier back in the day to bring shotguns to Baja...today I would not want to lose a quality shotgun to someone's interpretation of the law.

BAJA AND MAINLAND DOVE HUNTS – WINCHESTER 42 .410 PUMP




edit to add...my white-wing hunting amigo is using a Browning A5 .12 ga. A lot of overkill in my estimation. ;)





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[Edited on 11-22-2014 by BajaNomad]

chuckie - 11-22-2014 at 10:47 AM

I hunted pheasants, quail and doves in Baja Norte two years ago, with Arturo Malo, south of Mexicali. Used his guns to avoid the paperwork, good guns, Beretta O/U's. Shot driven and flushed Pheasants, wild birds not pen raised...LOTS of em....limited out by noon then napped and shot dove/quail...Great experience....Roger? Your nephew keeps getting younger..:lol::lol:

Pompano - 11-22-2014 at 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by chuckie
I hunted pheasants, quail and doves in Baja Norte two years ago, with Arturo Malo, south of Mexicali. Used his guns to avoid the paperwork, good guns, Beretta O/U's. Shot driven and flushed Pheasants, wild birds not pen raised...LOTS of em....limited out by noon then napped and shot dove/quail...Great experience....Roger? Your nephew keeps getting younger..:lol::lol:


chuckie...yup, I was a few years younger back in the day. My 'nephew' would have loved to have been with us on that shoot...if only he'd been born. I won a rather large bet for the Reno gambler who flew us over to the mainland...about who could hit what with .410's. Hitting doves with a full-choked .410 pump while they're flitting around in a millet field is a mite challenging. But then, it's all fun...even with a .12 ga. ;) ;)


Here's the present-day me in a honker field before the big snow storm covered us up. Yes, I guess I'm a little worn down and missing a few parts, but still hitting the mark. For this type of shooting I use my Browning Citori O/U 12. ga. Full bored ...still the way I like things.






Good grief..where did the time go?


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BajaKeela - 11-22-2014 at 04:18 PM

About twenty years ago my hubby and I were invited to a family dinner .. Our host served Pheasant that was cooked in Champagne..That was the most delicious pheasant I have ever eaten..Stupid me should have begged the recipe.

bufeo - 11-23-2014 at 08:51 AM

Enjoying this thread, and the tasty recipe suggestions. We've not tried game birds in Champagne, but I don't know why not. After all sparkling wine is just that, "sparkling" wine.

I don't shoot many Canada geese, greenheads, or other waterfowl. I'm way too lazy. I save up what energy I have for chasing chukars around the hills, knowing that one of these days I'll come home and that will have been my last time for those birds.

Allen R

capt. mike - 11-24-2014 at 10:54 AM

Pompano can you recommend a good goose gun for KS shooting? I always thought one used something besides 12 GA or is it all about the shell capability like 3" or so??

I don't know if my LC Smith 12 GA can hold bigger than 2.75 " shells, but it is a dbl B.

Pompano - 11-24-2014 at 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
Pompano can you recommend a good goose gun for KS shooting? I always thought one used something besides 12 GA or is it all about the shell capability like 3" or so??

I don't know if my LC Smith 12 GA can hold bigger than 2.75 " shells, but it is a dbl B.


Mike, a lot depends on what type of shooting you will be doing.
Shooting geese from a decoy set means that your shots will most likely (and should be) within 35 yards. A good shotgun choice would be a 12ga. with either regular or 3" shells with #1 steel shot...you can go to larger BB type loads but it's not necessary. Steel shot penetrates quicker and deeper than the old lead shot. It's up to you what type shotgun. I prefer my over/under Browning. (Only 2 shots, but why get the limit so soon, anyway?) A lot of hunters prefer pumps or autos...with a 3 shot maximum.

For pass shooting, the birds will be quite a bit further away. Use the heavier loads in 3 in. mag. You'll be leading the target by a few lengths...needs a little practice.

Good luck out there...and Good Hunting.

p.s. that LC Smith double barrel should say on the barrel about shell size. If in doubt use the shorter shotshells. Sounds like you'll be decoying and you won't need the 3" anyway. In the deeks, let them come in..and put your front bead on the bird's beak...and follow through as you shoot.

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chuckie - 11-24-2014 at 12:12 PM

You cant shoot steel through that elsie...NO NO.....It will likely have 2 3/4 inch chambers, few had 3 inch...but NO STEEL it will ruin the chokes....

Pompano - 11-24-2014 at 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by chuckie
You cant shoot steel through that elsie...NO NO.....It will likely have 2 3/4 inch chambers, few had 3 inch...but NO STEEL it will ruin the chokes....


Whatever shotgun you use, Mike...it is illegal to shoot any lead shot these days. NO LEAD SHOT ALLOWED FOR WATERFOWL SINCE THE LATE '70'S. You cannot even be in possession of lead shot while hunting waterfowl.

If you are against using the new steel shot, then try bismuth or tungsten...but both have problems and are rather expensive. Remember, lead shot is illegal for waterfowl hunting. Always check the state regs to see if lead shot is allowed for upland game.


Mike, your short hunt with newly designed steel shot shells will not ruin the chokes. The problem of steel shot scratching shotgun bores was solved by using thicker shot cups that cushioned the shot and acted as a barrier between the shot column and barrel wall. Damage to chokes was likewise either reduced or eliminated by using thicker shot cups, plus gunmakers were now tempering new screw-in chokes specifically for steel shot. It's up to you.


I'm been shooting my expensive Browning O/U's in 12 and 20 ga. with steel for many years now, since 1979. The screw-in chokes are still good...or they must be...

..as I save wear and tear by only shooting one shell per bird, but maybe that's just me. ;)

This Saskatchewan hunting photo shows me with a daily limit of 5 honkers....5 shots total. (Plus some snow geese, which were a bonus.) I did that for all 3 consecutive days that I was at my Canadian friend's farm. Not bragging, as the huge honkers are like shooting at barn doors coming into your decoys. We hunted harvested pea fields...an excellent goose feed. All steel shot up there, too, by the way.






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capt. mike - 11-24-2014 at 01:55 PM

yeah, as a long time KS hunter I am all familiar with prohibited lead shot near water. My cousins from Great Bend who are all pro level geese shooters have blinds but mainly shoot on the pass. So they like the colder windy days when the birds in migration stay lower. but they all learned how to lead and limit every weekend morning they go. they own purpose guns for geese but sitting here in AZ now I can't say which ones they have. Out in Barton county waterfowl sporting is like almost a religion. Since I grew up on pheasant and quail we walked fields with dogs and blockers. My dad didn't like sitting around a blind.

chuckie - 11-24-2014 at 07:32 PM

Steel shot in that old elsie WILL wreck your chokes....but, it's your gun...do what you want ............

chuckie - 11-24-2014 at 07:37 PM

Steel shot in that old elsie WILL wreck your chokes....but, it's your gun...do what you want ............

Pompano - 11-24-2014 at 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by chuckie
Steel shot in that old elsie WILL wreck your chokes....but, it's your gun...do what you want ............


Well, Mike and chuckie, I was brought up around guns of every type and have shot firearms of all kinds. Like all things in life experiences, you will have your opinion and I will have mine.
But I have a love affair with guns, so let's keep talking. In my gun collection, which is embarrassingly considerable after 5 decades, I have an LC Smith, an Ithaca, a Fox, a Matador (10 gauge), a prized Parker Vulcan and more...all side by sides in 10-12-16-20 gauges. I don't shoot any of these doubles anymore as they are purely collectables for me.

After years of seeing out of both eyes and having gotten used to having five fully functioning fingers on each hand, I have adopted a rather-safe-than-sorry attitude. As a general rule, I no longer fire any double made before WWII. I have one exception to this rule and it is my French Darne in 16 gauge which is double-proofed and stronger than anything similar made in the USA. Quite sweet to carry after ruffed grouse and pheasant.


Any double in fine condition is safe to shoot only with the loads for which the gun was built. Remember, you can't replace the sight lost from a damaged eye, so only shoot those guns and loads that were meant to be used together! I know dozens of hunters who are using their older and favorite shotguns with new steel loads. They are knowledgeable, of course, and will have checked the barrels first.

For instance, an old Parker 12-gauge shotgun I have is in excellent condition, and if I ever were to shoot it, I would shoot only black-powder loads in its Damascus barrels. But I will never shoot it.

The most correct response I can think of for you is ....Let your gunsmith in Arizona look over the gun. I know there are plenty in the Mesa area. If he tells you it's safe to shoot then you can shoot it. NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT, BUT THE BEST RESPONSE HERE! Not every gunsmith has all the knowledge required to insure your safety. But among the things a gunsmith will do is measure your chambers for length and diameter to see if they are still factory standard.

Hah...now maybe all this has got you into thinking of a brand new shotgun? But take heart, you really don't need one. And don't let the gunsmith talk you into one...in case he's a seller. Use the double with the correct legal loads... and have a good hunt.



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