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1st Gay Wedding in Baja.

luv2fish - 11-21-2014 at 03:01 PM

Looks like the locals arent as tolerant as we thought.

http://www.afntijuana.info/informacion_general/34193_aplazan...

Ateo - 11-21-2014 at 04:09 PM

It's gonna take time for gays and lesbians to be accepted and given the rights they deserve, but that day is coming. The younger generations aren't as hung up on sexual orientation as the older ones. The future is bright. :cool:

Bajahowodd - 11-21-2014 at 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by luv2fish
Looks like the locals arent as tolerant as we thought.

http://www.afntijuana.info/informacion_general/34193_aplazan...

No big surprise since the nation is overwhelmingly Catholic, and with a burgeoning fundamentalist Christian movement.

Pompano - 11-21-2014 at 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by Ateo
It's gonna take time for gays and lesbians to be accepted and given the rights they deserve, but that day is coming. The younger generations aren't as hung up on sexual orientation as the older ones.....

Don't think the older generation in Mulege would quite agree with that. Gays were accepted into society a long, long time ago. Hardly a secret that Mulege was known as the Gay Capitol of Baja. Probably the old prison had some influence there.

DENNIS - 11-21-2014 at 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd

No big surprise since the nation is overwhelmingly Catholic, and with a burgeoning fundamentalist Christian movement.

I think it's more an issue of the nation being overwhelmingly macho.

DENNIS - 11-21-2014 at 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Pompano
Hardly a secret that Mulege was known as the Gay Capitol of Baja. Probably the old prison had some influence there.

I think even before Mulege, Santa Rosalia had a large gay community. Back in the sixties I walked into the big hotel and it reminded me of a poodle kennel.

Ateo - 11-21-2014 at 05:04 PM

Pompano,

Glad to hear LGBT are accepted in Mulege. There are definitely pockets of progressive thinking out there. We have along way to go elsewhere................

=)

There are many places around the world where you can be killed for not sharing the same sexual orientation as the majority.

This thread is Baja related so I'll leave it at that. I don't know the general public's acceptance of gays in Baja. Anyone have any numbers?

Oh, and I don't get the prison joke.

bajabuddha - 11-21-2014 at 05:17 PM

Mexico in general has been more tolerant of LGBTs although not any more 'respectful' than the U.S., you don't have the hate-crimes and total intolerance/judgementalism you do with our so-called Christ-ian communities. It's in every culture on earth; the Native American Nations are much more accepting than about any other creeds. In some Nations gay people are considered shamanistic. LGBT marriage in Mexico however, you're up against the Catholic church, and rotsa ruck there.

Arturo's bar in Puerto Peñasco in the '80s was a regular freak show late at night; the shrimpers and fishermen put on quite a drag show for themselves. And in Baja I think Sta. Rosalia makes Mulege look tame. Very open on the streets in broad daylight there, any time, any day. European/French influence?

And Ateo, you're spot-on. We let black people vote now, even women! It takes time; ask the POTUS if there's any prejudice left in the world.

More Queer Days are COMING ?

MrBillM - 11-21-2014 at 05:32 PM

To Mexico ?

Marc - 11-21-2014 at 05:52 PM

Way off location here....in Tahiti if a girl is so beautiful it just cant be true......it isn't. Society is totally accepting of gays and trannies. Not my cup of tea in that area....BUT...the beaches are TOPLESS.... I just hate myself. Sorry, I just thought I would throw that in.

KaceyJ - 11-21-2014 at 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Pompano
Hardly a secret that Mulege was known as the Gay Capitol of Baja. Probably the old prison had some influence there.

I think even before Mulege, Santa Rosalia had a large gay community. Back in the sixties I walked into the big hotel and it reminded me of a poodle kennel.

There were and are some characters in the area,

Anyone remember "Silvia" the road queen that based out of SR a ways back?

Seemingly accepted as part of the local ambience for the longest time then suddenly dissapeared.

bajabuddha - 11-21-2014 at 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
To Mexico ?

YUCCA VALLEY, YOU MAY BE NEXT!

Lock and load, Mr. Bile, they may break in and RE-DECORATE YOUR HOVEL.... you may even TOUCH one in Walmart and catch HIV/AIDS and EBOLA all at the same time...

SEMPER PERATUS, Coast Guard Guy.

Pompano - 11-21-2014 at 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by KaceyJ

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Pompano
Hardly a secret that Mulege was known as the Gay Capitol of Baja. Probably the old prison had some influence there.

I think even before Mulege, Santa Rosalia had a large gay community. Back in the sixties I walked into the big hotel and it reminded me of a poodle kennel.

There were and are some characters in the area,

Anyone remember "Silvia" the road queen that based out of SR a ways back?

Seemingly accepted as part of the local ambience for the longest time then suddenly dissapeared.

OMG..don't I remember Silvia" a real Baja Road Warrior...and quite a character. (I've heard she was recruited by the current US administration as a consultant for garnering the San Francisco vote...but I don't know.)

My favorite memory of her/him/it was coming home to Coyote Bay late one night with a lively young lass (I'm NOT gay...at least not that night, anyway..) As we rounded the curve to make the turnoff into Bertha's Beer Joint at Burros Beach, this apparition launched itself onto the hood of my Jeep. It was none other than Silvia...with a bouquet of fake paper roses in one hand.

I managed not to run her/him/it over in my haste to exit the scene.

I saw her again one dark night coming back from town. Just the head and shoulders sticking out of the roadside grass..again with the flowers. It's kind of a hazy memory now....

Some have suggested I should have given her/him/it a better chance....

YV NEXT ?

MrBillM - 11-22-2014 at 10:08 AM

Next has already arrived and the infestation is only likely to spread.

Down at Stater Bros. ayer, there was a Drag-Queen prancing around.

With otra customers, including me, making comments and gestures.

All in fun, of course.

J.P. - 11-22-2014 at 12:38 PM

I didn't acquire this info from snoops or faux news. but my personal opinion is the Mexican People as a whole are very Tolerant but Acceptance is a whole different subject. its sad the gay community can't make that Distinction. :?:

grizzlyfsh95 - 11-23-2014 at 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by J.P.
I didn't acquire this info from snoops or faux news. but my personal opinion is the Mexican People as a whole are very Tolerant but Acceptance is a whole different subject. its sad the gay community can't make that Distinction. :?:

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/quote] OMG, "faux news". That is so original and amusing. You must be very enlightened to come up with that.
You want to see gay acceptance? Try PV.

rts551 - 11-23-2014 at 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by Pompano

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Originally posted by KaceyJ

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by Pompano
Hardly a secret that Mulege was known as the Gay Capitol of Baja. Probably the old prison had some influence there.

I think even before Mulege, Santa Rosalia had a large gay community. Back in the sixties I walked into the big hotel and it reminded me of a poodle kennel.

I always saw her at the inersection in Guerrero Negro hitchhiking. The locals there said that was where she was from. He/She certainly got around, so to speak.

Barry A. - 11-23-2014 at 10:00 AM

Back in the mid-'80's we would camp out at West La Gringa (north end of BOLA) for a week at a time, and for several years as I remember we were often visited in the evenings by an obviously and overtly young (30's?) gay Mexican that lived just up the beach to the west, and he would sit around the camp fire with us---------a very happy guy, and seemed to be getting-by just fine. Tho he spoke limited English, we enjoyed his visits and happy friendly nature.

Barry

Mulegé tolerance

Brinloor - 11-23-2014 at 10:43 AM

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A neighbourhood Mexican family was visiting relatives at the ranchos when their 4 year old boy received a dog bite to the scalp (agreed by all to be the fault of the child, not the dog - perhaps more tolerance). Rushed to clinic in Mulegé and when the doctor went to shave his head for stitches the kid started screaming the name of the local gay barber, saying that only he could touch his hair. The entire clinic cracked up, including the parents.

dtbushpilot - 11-23-2014 at 10:45 AM

I had to use the Bing translator so I might have missed something but what I understand is that their paperwork was not in order, signatures and numbers not matching etc. I'm not saying that other forces weren't at work here just what was reported. Sounds like they can come back when their paperwork is in order?

My neighbor who is Mexican and well connected was having a wedding at his home, we were invited. The day before the wedding he was running around like a crazy man trying to contact all the guests to tell them that the wedding was postponed because their paperwork was rejected.

It happens.....just sayin..

redhilltown - 11-24-2014 at 01:08 AM

Fun thread. Great comments and thoughts from the past. Though I gotta say Dennis and his poodle comment will be tough to beat! If he only had a Ralph Steadman with him to draw the scene...

capt. mike - 11-24-2014 at 10:46 AM

well.....I have seen pictures of a certain Mulege area wedding that featured a very tongue in cheek Killer Cain dressed in drag and getting hitched. Pompano knows this and likely has pics. :lol:

Pompano - 11-24-2014 at 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
well.....I have seen pictures of a certain Mulege area wedding that featured a very tongue in cheek Killer Cain dressed in drag and getting hitched. Pompano knows this and likely has pics. :lol:

Mike....you might mean the time Killer and I fell in love.

or...the time Killer got married and I gave away the bride.

..then again, there was that ceremony with Killer's gerbil...but that's a whole different story.

[Edited on 11-26-2014 by Pompano]

Bajahowodd - 11-27-2014 at 06:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM

Next has already arrived and the infestation is only likely to spread.

Down at Stater Bros. ayer, there was a Drag-Queen prancing around.

With otra customers, including me, making comments and gestures.

All in fun, of course.

GEEZ. Why don't you just sit in your double wide trailer in the desert and pleasure yourself. Who gives a crap about who loves who?

Queer Corral Hitching Posts .......................

MrBillM - 11-27-2014 at 08:08 PM

Are interesting only to poke "pun" at.

As to the Dragons, IF they didn't expect to be ridiculed, WHY would they look that way ?

redhilltown - 11-28-2014 at 01:25 AM

On Thanksgiving I give thanks that Bill only writes in nonsensical gibberish that no one can really understand...

Giving Thanks on Thanksgiving............

MrBillM - 11-28-2014 at 02:54 PM

At this stage in life, every day is OK.

And, a surprise.

As to those who lack understanding.............comprehension requires Intellect.

But, you wouldn't understand.

[Edited on 11-28-2014 by MrBillM]

dasubergeek - 11-28-2014 at 11:44 PM

It's much more tolerant, as you might imagine, in the large cities than in the rural areas. Nowhere is that more visible than in Jalisco. Guadalajara has a huge gay community and a gayborhood located off Juárez and Federalísimo. Outside of the metro area, though, you're pretty much in Mexican Texas, with macho macho men and their incredibly beautiful wives, the kind of place where when the church bells ring the 15-minute warning everything shuts down for Mass.

Mexico City, of course, has the Zona Rosa and there are signs in a vast majority of the businesses that talk about not discriminating.

Tijuana has a gay community too but it's a little bit more spread-out. There's not a gayborhood in TJ, but there are clubs and businesses and the wealthier the area, the more tolerant and accepting they are.

luv2fish - 1-10-2015 at 05:06 PM

They say third time's the charm, unfortunately that wont apply here. I guess we have some " good ole boys " in the local government that aren't ready for this...

http://zetatijuana.com/noticias/generalez/16120/se-cancela-b...

Ateo - 1-10-2015 at 05:16 PM

It's a long road...................the freedom to marry who you love will prevail.

lizard lips - 1-10-2015 at 05:48 PM

The signature issue made me think but the bomb threat was pretty weak......I personally have no issue with gay marriage and one day it will be no big deal in Mexico or the U.S.

The good ole boys will die off and it will happen.

Pompano - 1-10-2015 at 06:00 PM

All of this has raised some questions. Do we have to stay within our own species?

I have a tiger by the tail.

A tiger but it's tail?

Howard - 1-10-2015 at 09:07 PM

As Tony said, it's GREAT!

Oops, make that a tiger by it's tail

[Edited on 1-11-2015 by Howard]

bajabuddha - 1-10-2015 at 11:59 PM

Errm, no offense meant, but it's " its' " tail...... :smug:

Actually..............it's neither

MrBillM - 1-11-2015 at 07:30 PM

Used as a possessive pronoun, there is NO apostrophe.

Ateo - 1-11-2015 at 10:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Pompano

All of this has raised some questions. Do we have to stay within our own species?

I have a tiger by the tail.

What's your answer to your question?

Pescador - 1-12-2015 at 08:57 AM

Ken Follet has a new book in a trilogy series called, "Edge of Eternity" and it has a appropriate quote. "Political Discussions: They usually have easy answers; Send all the Mexicans home, put Hells Angels in the Army, and castrate the queers. The greater their ignorance, the stronger their opinions".

Ateo - 1-18-2015 at 09:10 AM

and the first same sex marriage happened:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/jan/17/gay-wedding-marri...

Actually one of these three were the first

durrelllrobert - 1-18-2015 at 10:47 AM

.. to admit being gay and probably 2 of them eventually married one of the others:
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R53S0VHQ1s

Terry28 - 1-18-2015 at 02:08 PM

Personal opinion: If you don't approve of gay marriage..don't marry a gay person!!

Queer Couplings on the RISE .................

MrBillM - 1-18-2015 at 05:18 PM

Another consequence of Global Warming upsetting nature's balance ?

Everything else seems to be blamed on Changing Climate.

luv2fish - 1-24-2015 at 10:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo

It's a long road...................the freedom to marry who you love will prevail.

NOT SO FAST AMIGOS / AMIGAS

http://www.afntijuana.info/informacion_general/36434_sin_amp...