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Yuha Desert/ Plaster City RR Road to Split Mtn Rd to Salton Sea

David K - 1-24-2015 at 11:22 AM

While we planned it to be a 2 night camping trip, it was so cold at night we packed a 2 day trip into one!

Who are we?: My 26 y/o son Chris from Lakeside and myself.

Chris had some vacation time from his work, and I had no work but a truck that loves four wheeling in the desert.

Not sure at first where to go... Chris knew that when I was a kid (1967) my folks took me to the Yuha Desert to hunt for fossils in their Jeep Wagoneer. The huge oyster shell beds are there from when the sea levels really were higher by a few hundred feet (not just a couple inches)! So, he suggested we go there...

We left Lakeside about sundown on Thursday and headed east on I-8 to Ocotillo, then popped on the old Hwy. 80 (now called the Imperial Highway) to just past Coyote Wells. Now it was dark, and I didn't want to kick on all my HID and Halogen lights while still on public highways!

Back in 1967, there was no Interstate 8 freeway, just Hwy. 80 and the San Diego & Arizona Eastern Railroad track parallel to it. I found a spot to drive under the railroad line in a wash, but couldn't find (at first) the bridge to get under the freeway, to the south side. I ended up on the mesa at the edge of the freeway cut, too far east of where I knew there was a bridge I could drive under it with.

I then remembered the technology I possessed with my smart phone, and clicked on Google Maps to see the satellite view of where I was, the roads, and where I wanted to go! In the end, we got to the region of the Yuha Buttes (which are mountains of fossil oysters and other sea shells) and set up camp.

Chris picked up a tent a a sleeping pad, and I just inflated my air mattress and would enjoy the stars. We ate when we left Lakeside, so just the campfire was nice with some beef jerky for snacks. There was no wind, but it was cold and by sunrise, really cold. Between his dog getting cold in the tent, Chris's new sleeping pad (one of those backpacker ones that self inflate when you unroll it) was not adequate, and I didn't sleep as well as I usually do (too cold)... the next morning we decided to not spend a second night out.






Tailgating in then rough!






Next morning we made coffee and cooked up some Beer Brats, yum! I went on a hike to look for specimen fossils and Chris threw a ball for his dog, Aria to retrieve. It was a beautiful Friday morning!










5 million year old oysters!




'Fossilized' sea salt!



I let Chris drive and we found the road to the Yuha Wells, on the Anza Trail (Spain's land connection to Alta California from Sonora, Mainland Mexico). Water is located very near the surface here, and with some digging water would be found. Wells were dug next to the arroyo over 100 years ago for horse and human needs. In 1967, there was water almost at the top of the wells, but today, they were filled with sand, and quite dry. Chris didn't want to amuse me and dig down to the water table with my folding army shovel.












That's Signal Mountain in the distance (the Mexican Border).






This sign was at the De Anza Overlook.

From the Yuha Wells, the road continues west then south to the De Anza lookout and a Border Patrol watch truck, just north of Hwy. 98. We drove the 98 back to Ocotillo, then Hwy. 80 to Plaster City and beyond to the narrow gauge railroad that brings the gypsum from Split Mountain to Plaster City so USG (United States Gypsum) can make drywall sheets and other gypsum/ plaster products.

The road parallel to the train tracks is pretty good, goes through a bombing range (you must stay on the road), and goes through some deep silt, just like we find in parts of Baja! Chris got real excited powering through the silt... loves the four wheel drive!




We watched the Blue Angels practicing around Superstition Mountain for a few minutes before the silt section... There were four jets flying in diamond formation for several minutes, circling around the mountain... very cool.

Once back on the pavement at Split Mountain, we headed north to Ocotillo Wells on Hwy. 78. We could see big clouds of dust from many miles away, and wondered what was causing it? An off road race, a wind storm, what was it?



It was a pair of Ospreys practicing landing on the dry lake bed airport at Ocotillo Wells!

Chris wanted to see the Salton Sea, so we headed east. Last time he (and I) were there... 10-15 years ago, it was real stinky and dead fish and bones lined the shore. We were surprised to see the seashore much cleaner, not stinky, but lower and further out. Some pelicans and gulls were there, so something must still be alive in that water, but it really is a dead sea. All the old marina buildings are gone, and the area near the sea is nearly deserted. A few nice homes are between the highway and the sea, but it is only a fraction of what was here in the 60's when we used to boat and fish on the Salton Sea.

Panorama from North to East to South to West:









Awesome vehicle!


Topped the gas tank at the Salton City AM/PM truck stop station ($2.25/ gal) and racing fuel is $7.99/ gal. We went west to Borrego Springs, stopping at the 4WD test course to do a little A-TRAC and rear locker testing. Burritos in Borrego Springs took care of us for a late lunch, and then came back to Lakeside via Ranchita, Santa Ysabel, and Ramona. After dropping off Chris and Aria, I returned home to San Marcos.

In 24 hours, we traveled about 250 miles, did a lot of four wheeling, had a campfire, went fossil hunting, and saw sites I had not seen in almost 50 years!

Memories

durrelllrobert - 1-24-2015 at 11:45 AM

I also remember remnants of the old wooden highway to Yuma that were next to old highway 80 in the late 50s. Also early morning water skiing from Citizens Beach to North Shore in the early 60s at Salton Sea.

Mexitron - 1-24-2015 at 12:22 PM

Thanks for sharing and reminding us of the hidden gems right in our own back yard. Love it out there, too bad the Salton Sea is going away.

Skipjack Joe - 1-24-2015 at 12:55 PM

Those dust storms can be unhealthy. It's best to avoid them as much as possible.

woody with a view - 1-24-2015 at 01:08 PM

i've been told the Blue Angels winter based in Florida and summer in El Centro, or the other way around?

elgatoloco - 1-24-2015 at 02:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
i've been told the Blue Angels winter based in Florida and summer in El Centro, or the other way around?


They come to NAF El Centro in January and practice there until March. Their first show of the year is there March 12th then they hit the road for the rest of the year. Pensacola is considered 'home base'. They like El Centro for the 'perfect weather' for flying this time of year.

bajaguy - 1-24-2015 at 04:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe  
Those dust storms can be unhealthy. It's best to avoid them as much as possible.


What dust storms are those?





The ones created by the V-22 Osprey, especially if they are equipped with the Ma Deuce

David K - 1-24-2015 at 06:35 PM

Oh, to me a 'storm' is a natural event. Thanks for clearing up what I missed! The Ospreys just made some huge dust clouds... we saw it from 20 miles away!

Barry A. - 1-24-2015 at 11:15 PM

Heh David, I see you have been prowling around my old stomping grounds. Fun pictures!! I always loved the Yuha Desert, and the Plaster City open area (open to recreation vehicles). Lots of neat country between Plaster City and Borrego Springs, and environs. I spent 13 years in El Centro and prowling around that country via 4-wheel drive vehicles.

Barry

TMW - 1-25-2015 at 08:07 AM

Good stuff DK, thanks for the tour and pictures. It's been a long time since I've been out in that area off road.

Bajaboy - 1-25-2015 at 09:16 AM

Thanks for sharing David. I'd like to check that area out.

Hey, is it okay to have an open fire out there?

David K - 1-25-2015 at 10:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Thanks for sharing David. I'd like to check that area out.

Hey, is it okay to have an open fire out there?



OK? Hmmm, no signs saying not... and man needs fire for warmth... and it sure was cold. There was another camp just over the oyster shell hill from ours (we discovered the next morning) and there was smoke from their fire in the morning.

The region is heavily patrolled by Homeland Security (Border Patrol) and there are sophisticated electronic listening devices around. I suppose the heat detectors would go crazy from a campfire and they would report to the BLM if having a fire was forbidden?

David K - 1-25-2015 at 10:21 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Heh David, I see you have been prowling around my old stomping grounds. Fun pictures!! I always loved the Yuha Desert, and the Plaster City open area (open to recreation vehicles). Lots of neat country between Plaster City and Borrego Springs, and environs. I spent 13 years in El Centro and prowling around that country via 4-wheel drive vehicles.

Barry


North of Plaster City along the gypsum train line are big signs announcing you are entering a LIVE BOMBING RANGE. The road is an open corridor with signs along both sides of it to keep you on the road only. I am sure USG would have a fit if a bomb blew up their train tracks, so we felt safe. Seeing the Blue Angels training over Superstition Mountain was cool, but no other military aircraft was seen until we got to Ocotillo Wells, and the Ospreys doing touch and goes on the dry lake bed.

It would be fun to get back into the Fish Creek Mountains west of the train track and north of Carrizo Wash to look for Peg Leg Smith's black gold nuggets!

Barry A. - 1-25-2015 at 11:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Thanks for sharing David. I'd like to check that area out.

Hey, is it okay to have an open fire out there?


Inside Anza Borrego Desert State Park fires are restricted to self-provided containers in the boonies, and leaving/dumping coals and charcoal is a no-no. Bring your own firewood---NO FIREWOOD COLLECTION IS ALLOWED as there is not much there.

On BLM (all of the Yuha Desert and where David was) fires are permitted but bringing your own firewood is highly recommended. ( This is as of some 20 years ago, so may be different now but I don't think so.)

Barry

Barry A. - 1-25-2015 at 11:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
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It would be fun to get back into the Fish Creek Mountains west of the train track and north of Carrizo Wash to look for Peg Leg Smith's black gold nuggets!


Before the Carrizo Bombing Range closure was enforced, we used to camp up all the washes that fed Carrizo Wash back in the '40's and '50's, and explore by foot everywhere. There were bombs everywhere sticking out of the soil and on the ground within the Range, as well as many tanks that had been used for targets. A "clean-up" by the Military was done to rid the area of live ordinance, but it was decided that it was too dangerous still, and it was permanently closed (forget when that happened). Parts of the Fish Creek Mts. are outside the Bombing Range still.

There is "Black Gold" everywhere, (we were told) but we never found any (Peg-Leg got it all????) and believe me we looked. The entire Fish Creek drainage is wonderful and fascinating (to us, anyway) and mostly available to 4-wheel drive within the washes, even within the ABD State Park which manages most of it. OFF ROAD travel by vehicle is strickly prohibited, and enforced by both ground and air. (Big fines)

We spent a month each winter in Borrego Springs for 14 years, and drove by 4-wheel drive most (all?) of the "roads/trails" in ABDSP--------a never ending fascinating place to explore and hike.

Barry

DianaT - 1-25-2015 at 11:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  


On BLM (all of the Yuha Desert and where David was) fires are permitted but bringing your own firewood is highly recommended. ( This is as of some 20 years ago, so may be different now but I don't think so.)

Barry


According to the latest online BLM information, it appears that a permit is required to have a campfire.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/cdd/fire/fire_restrictions.ht...

It appears that the Yuha Desert area in in a Stage One zone and the requirements for the Stage One zone are

Campfires, barbecues and gas stoves are allowed with a permit. All public lands within the California Desert Conservation Area (CDCA) shall be in Stage I restrictions. Please check with individual local field offices for further information on restrictions.

bajalearner - 1-25-2015 at 01:07 PM

Nice.
I would rather see a sign that reads entering bombing area, not one that reads exiting same. :(

norte - 1-25-2015 at 01:14 PM

Just how did you come to the conclusion that protecting public lands is "excessive". Might not be so beautiful if it wasn't protected. and of course did it occur to you that other people might not be out there because they were working to support your ability to enjoy this beautiful desert?
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Oh brother... more big government to deal with.

So, tell me how and where one gets a permit when we didn't even know we were going to camp there 3 hours earlier? No signs other than to stay on marked roads, just open desert, lots of dirt roads to pick from.

Nearly nobody is out there in the big beautiful desert and maybe the excessive rules added by big government restricting personal freedoms is why?

Thanks Barry for sharing what it was like when the public could enjoy public lands! I actually am old enough to remember a little, and it was here at the Yuha Desert, 48 years ago that I camped with my parents. I was sharing with my son a little family history, the best of life.

Barry A. - 1-25-2015 at 02:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  
Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  


On BLM (all of the Yuha Desert and where David was) fires are permitted but bringing your own firewood is highly recommended. ( This is as of some 20 years ago, so may be different now but I don't think so.)

Barry


According to the latest online BLM information, it appears that a permit is required to have a campfire.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/cdd/fire/fire_restrictions.ht...

It appears that the Yuha Desert area in in a Stage One zone and the requirements for the Stage One zone are

Campfires, barbecues and gas stoves are allowed with a permit. All public lands within the California Desert Conservation Area (CDCA) shall be in Stage I restrictions. Please check with individual local field offices for further information on restrictions.



Thank you Diane, and she is technically correct. "Campfire Permits" are technically required, and have been as long as I can remember, on ALL Fed. recreation lands outside a designated camping area. Within designated Federally provided camping areas where campfire rings or grates are provided, said "rings" are required to be used---(no random campfires) and no permits are normally needed, or required.

The purpose of campfire permits was/is to be able to dispense Fire Safety messages to the visiting public, and give Law Enforcement agents the ability to enforce the law when it is deemed necessary or prudent. I never recall our BLM office ever issuing a "fire permit" the entire 13 years I was in the El Centro area for use in the open Low-desert (mostly Imperial Country). We did issue them for the semi-desert or non-desert vegetated areas up in the Jacumba Mts. and Laguna Mt. complex (mostly in San Diego County, etc.) as a real fire danger existed up there with all the chaparral. As near as I can remember, our Ranger's never cited ANYONE for having a campfire out in the open desert which included the Yuha and the areas David camped with Josh, and thousands have had campfires over the years with no permits. Obviously, "campfire permits" were not deemed of any practical use when there was nothing but sand and rock in the vicinity of your campfire. Ranger's used their discretion in enforcing the law, as they are trained to do.

There are areas of "desert" such as in the High Desert of the Mojave where more strict rules and regs for random campfires exist due to more vegetation and fire danger-----keep that in mind. Also, within State & County lands and Parks different and stricter regulations may apply. Check locally if in doubt, and above all use common sense. The National Park Service often has very strict campfire rules, so be aware of that and check locally.

Having said that, to be safe from possible citations and entirely within legal guidelines, you should get a permit for your random campfires on any Fed. public lands outside designated camping sites where no signs or public notices prohibit fires or state otherwise. (i.e. use common sense)

Barry

David K - 1-25-2015 at 03:15 PM

Thanks Barry, there is no vegetation where we camped (as you can see by photos), and we had our own firewood... dug a small pit in the dust/ sand... used an artificial log plus some pieces (you can see them next to dog in one pic). We had originally planned to be out for two nights. So, the unused wood was brought back home. No trash was left in the desert (or anywhere I go camping). If you can haul it in, you can haul it out!

Like you, I am a citizen who loves and enjoys the outdoors and wishes they to be open for my children and all others who show similar interest and respect of the public lands. I was with Chris, not Josh (as Josh was working on off road racers and Chris was on his days off from work). I wish we saw more people out there... but it was a weekday. Two guys on motorcycles rode by our camp and waved in the morning, that was the only humans we saw in the Yuha Desert other than the Border Patrol at the De Anza Overview.

David K - 1-25-2015 at 03:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Just how did you come to the conclusion that protecting public lands is "excessive". Might not be so beautiful if it wasn't protected. and of course did it occur to you that other people might not be out there because they were working to support your ability to enjoy this beautiful desert?


Thank you, but I do not live on government support, I have a small income from irrigation repairs and installs. I do understand it was a workday for most, and also the amount of poverty and under-employment in America has limited recreational activities, as well. Baja visits are also way down for us. This trip costs a just tank of gas (much cheaper now thanks to U.S. oil drilling and pipeline threats causing the Saudis to sell sell sell) and some brats + burritos at Borrego Springs.

The value was being with my 26 year old son, who is trying his best to be successful in this economy, also without government support. No TV, just the stars above and campfire below... as it has been since man discovered how to make fire! Priceless!

norte - 1-25-2015 at 04:45 PM

You did not answer excessive? Everyday you travel on the freeway or hiway or camp in a public area you are living on government support. You should appreciate that, not denigrate it since you probably do not contribute as much as they cost. Your small income is evidence of that. Although I assume you also live off your wife's employment as well.. does she provide you with health insurance and money for your tank of gas? or do you also have that subsidized? I think it is great that you have time with your son....so many people do not have that luxury. Again, don't take it so for granted, as it could be taken away some day. We all want to enjoy our beautiful deserts.


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Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Just how did you come to the conclusion that protecting public lands is "excessive". Might not be so beautiful if it wasn't protected. and of course did it occur to you that other people might not be out there because they were working to support your ability to enjoy this beautiful desert?


Thank you, but I do not live on government support, I have a small income from irrigation repairs and installs. I do understand it was a workday for most, and also the amount of poverty and under-employment in America has limited recreational activities, as well. Baja visits are also way down for us. This trip costs a just tank of gas (much cheaper now thanks to U.S. oil drilling and pipeline threats causing the Saudis to sell sell sell) and some brats + burritos at Borrego Springs.

The value was being with my 26 year old son, who is trying his best to be successful in this economy, also without government support. No TV, just the stars above and campfire below... as it has been since man discovered how to make fire! Priceless!

Cisco - 1-25-2015 at 04:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by norte  
You did not answer excessive? Everyday you travel on the freeway or hiway or camp in a public area you are living on government support. You should appreciate that, not denigrate it since you probably do not contribute as much as they cost. Your small income is evidence of that. Although I assume you also live off your wife's employment as well.. does she provide you with health insurance and money for your tank of gas? or do you also have that subsidized? I think it is great that you have time with your son....so many people do not have that luxury. Again, don't take it so for granted, as it could be taken away some day. We all want to enjoy our beautiful deserts.


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Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Just how did you come to the conclusion that protecting public lands is "excessive". Might not be so beautiful if it wasn't protected. and of course did it occur to you that other people might not be out there because they were working to support your ability to enjoy this beautiful desert?


Thank you, but I do not live on government support, I have a small income from irrigation repairs and installs. I do understand it was a workday for most, and also the amount of poverty and under-employment in America has limited recreational activities, as well. Baja visits are also way down for us. This trip costs a just tank of gas (much cheaper now thanks to U.S. oil drilling and pipeline threats causing the Saudis to sell sell sell) and some brats + burritos at Borrego Springs.

The value was being with my 26 year old son, who is trying his best to be successful in this economy, also without government support. No TV, just the stars above and campfire below... as it has been since man discovered how to make fire! Priceless!


Hey Burrowipe (norte) how about bottom posting, cannot answer you specifically when you top post.

And how about getting off your burro, shut down your keyboard and get out there instead of condemning a person for a reasonable, sound and enjoyable trip, a trip he was nice enough to share with all of us.

Buzz off Dickweed.

norte - 1-25-2015 at 05:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Cisco  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
You did not answer excessive? Everyday you travel on the freeway or hiway or camp in a public area you are living on government support. You should appreciate that, not denigrate it since you probably do not contribute as much as they cost. Your small income is evidence of that. Although I assume you also live off your wife's employment as well.. does she provide you with health insurance and money for your tank of gas? or do you also have that subsidized? I think it is great that you have time with your son....so many people do not have that luxury. Again, don't take it so for granted, as it could be taken away some day. We all want to enjoy our beautiful deserts.


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Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Just how did you come to the conclusion that protecting public lands is "excessive". Might not be so beautiful if it wasn't protected. and of course did it occur to you that other people might not be out there because they were working to support your ability to enjoy this beautiful desert?


Thank you, but I do not live on government support, I have a small income from irrigation repairs and installs. I do understand it was a workday for most, and also the amount of poverty and under-employment in America has limited recreational activities, as well. Baja visits are also way down for us. This trip costs a just tank of gas (much cheaper now thanks to U.S. oil drilling and pipeline threats causing the Saudis to sell sell sell) and some brats + burritos at Borrego Springs.

The value was being with my 26 year old son, who is trying his best to be successful in this economy, also without government support. No TV, just the stars above and campfire below... as it has been since man discovered how to make fire! Priceless!


Hey Burrowipe (norte) how about bottom posting, cannot answer you specifically when you top post.

And how about getting off your burro, shut down your keyboard and get out there instead of condemning a person for a reasonable, sound and enjoyable trip, a trip he was nice enough to share with all of us.

Buzz off Dickweed.

I thought language like yours was not allowed? Guess I will take you off my Christmas list. I was only questioning his obvious political comment about excessive government. Not his delightful trip.

Cisco - 1-25-2015 at 05:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Quote: Originally posted by Cisco  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
You did not answer excessive? Everyday you travel on the freeway or hiway or camp in a public area you are living on government support. You should appreciate that, not denigrate it since you probably do not contribute as much as they cost. Your small income is evidence of that. Although I assume you also live off your wife's employment as well.. does she provide you with health insurance and money for your tank of gas? or do you also have that subsidized? I think it is great that you have time with your son....so many people do not have that luxury. Again, don't take it so for granted, as it could be taken away some day. We all want to enjoy our beautiful deserts.


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Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Just how did you come to the conclusion that protecting public lands is "excessive". Might not be so beautiful if it wasn't protected. and of course did it occur to you that other people might not be out there because they were working to support your ability to enjoy this beautiful desert?


Thank you, but I do not live on government support, I have a small income from irrigation repairs and installs. I do understand it was a workday for most, and also the amount of poverty and under-employment in America has limited recreational activities, as well. Baja visits are also way down for us. This trip costs a just tank of gas (much cheaper now thanks to U.S. oil drilling and pipeline threats causing the Saudis to sell sell sell) and some brats + burritos at Borrego Springs.

The value was being with my 26 year old son, who is trying his best to be successful in this economy, also without government support. No TV, just the stars above and campfire below... as it has been since man discovered how to make fire! Priceless!


Hey Burrowipe (norte) how about bottom posting, cannot answer you specifically when you top post.

And how about getting off your burro, shut down your keyboard and get out there instead of condemning a person for a reasonable, sound and enjoyable trip, a trip he was nice enough to share with all of us.

Buzz off Dickweed.

I thought language like yours was not allowed? Guess I will take you off my Christmas list. I was only questioning his obvious political comment about excessive government. Not his delightful trip.


I think it's allowed now, that's why Doug did "burro" instead of using "norte" all the time.

You were NOT only questioning his obvious political comment about excessive government." Here is your comment:

"...Everyday you travel on the freeway or hiway or camp in a public area you are living on government support. You should appreciate that, not denigrate it since you probably do not contribute as much as they cost. Your small income is evidence of that. Although I assume you also live off your wife's employment as well.. does she provide you with health insurance and money for your tank of gas? or do you also have that subsidized?" (hmm. Registration, gas taxes, tolls,...).

Hey nortewipe. You been checkin out his "small" income also (whatever that means to whomever) not contributing "as much as it costs". How much does it cost nortewipe?

Living off Angel's employment? I don't know that she is employed, do you?

"I was only questioning his obvious political comment about excessive government." BULLNORTE (think Doug cranked that one also). You were making a pure nortehole out of yourself going personally about things you don't know NORTE about.

How about a colonoscopy with your keyboard? Is that acceptable?

You are MEAN norte. THAT is not acceptable.

[Edited on 1-26-2015 by Cisco]

Bajaboy - 1-25-2015 at 05:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Thanks for sharing David. I'd like to check that area out.

Hey, is it okay to have an open fire out there?


Inside Anza Borrego Desert State Park fires are restricted to self-provided containers in the boonies, and leaving/dumping coals and charcoal is a no-no. Bring your own firewood---NO FIREWOOD COLLECTION IS ALLOWED as there is not much there.

On BLM (all of the Yuha Desert and where David was) fires are permitted but bringing your own firewood is highly recommended. ( This is as of some 20 years ago, so may be different now but I don't think so.)

Barry


Thanks for the clarification. I know about the Anza Borrego restrictions and thus the question. Plenty of evidence there of people that don't follow/know the rules.

DianaT - 1-25-2015 at 05:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Thanks for sharing David. I'd like to check that area out.

Hey, is it okay to have an open fire out there?


Inside Anza Borrego Desert State Park fires are restricted to self-provided containers in the boonies, and leaving/dumping coals and charcoal is a no-no. Bring your own firewood---NO FIREWOOD COLLECTION IS ALLOWED as there is not much there.

On BLM (all of the Yuha Desert and where David was) fires are permitted but bringing your own firewood is highly recommended. ( This is as of some 20 years ago, so may be different now but I don't think so.)

Barry


Thanks for the clarification. I know about the Anza Borrego restrictions and thus the question. Plenty of evidence there of people that don't follow/know the rules.


Technically, a permit is required but maybe not enforced, or maybe one can just selectively decide on which rules and laws they chose to follow or not.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/cdd/fire/fire_restrictions.ht...

Ateo - 1-25-2015 at 05:49 PM

Thanks for the report David.

All, I'm heading to Anza next weekend and I'm looking for a "metal container" to burn my wood in. Maybe I can find a dryer drum on eBay.

[Edited on 1-26-2015 by Ateo]

Bajaboy - 1-25-2015 at 05:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo  
Thanks for the report David.

All, I'm heading to Anza next weekend and I'm looking for a "metal container" to burn my wood in. Any ideas? I know people use dryer drums but any other ideas?


I had a small Weber bbq die on me so I gutted it and use it. Definitely not a good choice for a big fire but very portable.

[Edited on 1-26-2015 by Bajaboy]

Barry A. - 1-25-2015 at 05:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Thanks for sharing David. I'd like to check that area out.

Hey, is it okay to have an open fire out there?


Inside Anza Borrego Desert State Park fires are restricted to self-provided containers in the boonies, and leaving/dumping coals and charcoal is a no-no. Bring your own firewood---NO FIREWOOD COLLECTION IS ALLOWED as there is not much there.

On BLM (all of the Yuha Desert and where David was) fires are permitted but bringing your own firewood is highly recommended. ( This is as of some 20 years ago, so may be different now but I don't think so.)

Barry


Thanks for the clarification. I know about the Anza Borrego restrictions and thus the question. Plenty of evidence there of people that don't follow/know the rules.


Technically, a permit is required but maybe not enforced, or maybe one can just selectively decide on which rules and laws they chose to follow or not.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/cdd/fire/fire_restrictions.ht...


No, Diane, that normally is not the way it works. You can try that, and many do, but the Law Enforcement Officer's make that decision for you when they choose to----------like it or not THAT is the often way it often works, and the reasons are pretty complicated to explain here, but actually make sense.

Barry

Bajaboy - 1-25-2015 at 05:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo  
Thanks for the report David.

All, I'm heading to Anza next weekend and I'm looking for a "metal container" to burn my wood in. Maybe I can find a dryer drum on eBay.

[Edited on 1-26-2015 by Ateo]


look on Craigs List...they are there.

Ateo - 1-25-2015 at 05:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Quote: Originally posted by Ateo  
Thanks for the report David.

All, I'm heading to Anza next weekend and I'm looking for a "metal container" to burn my wood in. Any ideas? I know people use dryer drums but any other ideas?


I had a small Weber bbq die on me so I gutted it and use it. Definitely not a good choice for a big fire but very portable.

[Edited on 1-26-2015 by Bajaboy]


Dude that's exactly what I was thinking. I have an old red one that never gets used. Take a couple screws out, take legs off, and DONE.

DianaT - 1-25-2015 at 06:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Thanks for sharing David. I'd like to check that area out.

Hey, is it okay to have an open fire out there?


Inside Anza Borrego Desert State Park fires are restricted to self-provided containers in the boonies, and leaving/dumping coals and charcoal is a no-no. Bring your own firewood---NO FIREWOOD COLLECTION IS ALLOWED as there is not much there.

On BLM (all of the Yuha Desert and where David was) fires are permitted but bringing your own firewood is highly recommended. ( This is as of some 20 years ago, so may be different now but I don't think so.)

Barry


Thanks for the clarification. I know about the Anza Borrego restrictions and thus the question. Plenty of evidence there of people that don't follow/know the rules.


Technically, a permit is required but maybe not enforced, or maybe one can just selectively decide on which rules and laws they chose to follow or not.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/cdd/fire/fire_restrictions.ht...


No, Diane, that normally is not the way it works. You can try that, and many do, but the Law Enforcement Officer's make that decision for you when they choose to----------like it or not THAT is the often way it often works, and the reasons are pretty complicated to explain here, but actually make sense.

Barry


Barry, I perfectly well understand the flexibility that the law enforcement officer has in enforcing a rule or law. So I guess anyone can just take a chance on who the law enforcement officer is if they have made the decision not to follow the rules and laws.

It happens around here all the time and every law enforcement officer whether it be BLM, Highway Patrol or whoever is different and play the game a bit differently.

Thus, if someone wants to choose not to follow a law, that is their choice, and if it is enforced, that is the choice of the law enforcement officer. No big deal as long as someone does not complain about potential consequences.

It is the way it is. On edit --- I agree with the policy of flexibility in law enforcement and hope more of the same is returned to the courts.

[Edited on 1-26-2015 by DianaT]

mtgoat666 - 1-25-2015 at 07:12 PM

Re the socal deserts,... I am thankful that a bunch of greenies, liberals, whackos, commies - whatever you want to call them - fought to protect the desert and preserve some of the lands, and won,...
the job is never done, always need to watch out for the right wingnuts trying to destroy our public lands, sell them, pave them, mine them, etc.

p.s. please take your campfire residue home!


[Edited on 1-26-2015 by mtgoat666]

norte - 1-25-2015 at 07:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Cisco  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Quote: Originally posted by Cisco  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
You did not answer excessive? Everyday you travel on the freeway or hiway or camp in a public area you are living on government support. You should appreciate that, not denigrate it since you probably do not contribute as much as they cost. Your small income is evidence of that. Although I assume you also live off your wife's employment as well.. does she provide you with health insurance and money for your tank of gas? or do you also have that subsidized? I think it is great that you have time with your son....so many people do not have that luxury. Again, don't take it so for granted, as it could be taken away some day. We all want to enjoy our beautiful deserts.


.
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Just how did you come to the conclusion that protecting public lands is "excessive". Might not be so beautiful if it wasn't protected. and of course did it occur to you that other people might not be out there because they were working to support your ability to enjoy this beautiful desert?


Thank you, but I do not live on government support, I have a small income from irrigation repairs and installs. I do understand it was a workday for most, and also the amount of poverty and under-employment in America has limited recreational activities, as well. Baja visits are also way down for us. This trip costs a just tank of gas (much cheaper now thanks to U.S. oil drilling and pipeline threats causing the Saudis to sell sell sell) and some brats + burritos at Borrego Springs.

The value was being with my 26 year old son, who is trying his best to be successful in this economy, also without government support. No TV, just the stars above and campfire below... as it has been since man discovered how to make fire! Priceless!


Hey Burrowipe (norte) how about bottom posting, cannot answer you specifically when you top post.

And how about getting off your burro, shut down your keyboard and get out there instead of condemning a person for a reasonable, sound and enjoyable trip, a trip he was nice enough to share with all of us.

Buzz off Dickweed.

I thought language like yours was not allowed? Guess I will take you off my Christmas list. I was only questioning his obvious political comment about excessive government. Not his delightful trip.


I think it's allowed now, that's why Doug did "burro" instead of using "norte" all the time.

You were NOT only questioning his obvious political comment about excessive government." Here is your comment:

"...Everyday you travel on the freeway or hiway or camp in a public area you are living on government support. You should appreciate that, not denigrate it since you probably do not contribute as much as they cost. Your small income is evidence of that. Although I assume you also live off your wife's employment as well.. does she provide you with health insurance and money for your tank of gas? or do you also have that subsidized?" (hmm. Registration, gas taxes, tolls,...).

Hey nortewipe. You been checkin out his "small" income also (whatever that means to whomever) not contributing "as much as it costs". How much does it cost nortewipe?

Living off Angel's employment? I don't know that she is employed, do you?

"I was only questioning his obvious political comment about excessive government." BULLNORTE (think Doug cranked that one also). You were making a pure nortehole out of yourself going personally about things you don't know NORTE about.

How about a colonoscopy with your keyboard? Is that acceptable?

You are MEAN norte. THAT is not acceptable.

[Edited on 1-26-2015 by Cisco]


Its nice that you stick up for your friend. You obviously know them better then I, but your name calling and attempts at insults are childish. They do one thing,however, they drive me away from this thread in that I have no desire to lower myself to your level.

Barry A. - 1-25-2015 at 07:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  
Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Thanks for sharing David. I'd like to check that area out.

Hey, is it okay to have an open fire out there?


Inside Anza Borrego Desert State Park fires are restricted to self-provided containers in the boonies, and leaving/dumping coals and charcoal is a no-no. Bring your own firewood---NO FIREWOOD COLLECTION IS ALLOWED as there is not much there.

On BLM (all of the Yuha Desert and where David was) fires are permitted but bringing your own firewood is highly recommended. ( This is as of some 20 years ago, so may be different now but I don't think so.)

Barry


Thanks for the clarification. I know about the Anza Borrego restrictions and thus the question. Plenty of evidence there of people that don't follow/know the rules.


Technically, a permit is required but maybe not enforced, or maybe one can just selectively decide on which rules and laws they chose to follow or not.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/cdd/fire/fire_restrictions.ht...


No, Diane, that normally is not the way it works. You can try that, and many do, but the Law Enforcement Officer's make that decision for you when they choose to----------like it or not THAT is the often way it often works, and the reasons are pretty complicated to explain here, but actually make sense.

Barry


Barry, I perfectly well understand the flexibility that the law enforcement officer has in enforcing a rule or law. So I guess anyone can just take a chance on who the law enforcement officer is if they have made the decision not to follow the rules and laws.

It happens around here all the time and every law enforcement officer whether it be BLM, Highway Patrol or whoever is different and play the game a bit differently.

Thus, if someone wants to choose not to follow a law, that is their choice, and if it is enforced, that is the choice of the law enforcement officer. No big deal as long as someone does not complain about potential consequences.

It is the way it is. On edit --- I agree with the policy of flexibility in law enforcement and hope more of the same is returned to the courts.

[Edited on 1-26-2015 by DianaT]


A very fair and knowledgeable response, Diane. Thank you for that, and I agree totally.

Barry

Bajaboy - 1-25-2015 at 08:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
And we wonder why so few bother to share trips here anymore?

Thanks to those who share the theory that people belong on this planet too.

Zac, I was NOT camping in Anza Borrego Desert State Park.


Uhm, duh?! I know the regulations for Anza Borrego. I was asking about the area where you camping.

willardguy - 1-25-2015 at 09:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Oh brother... more big government to deal with.

So, tell me how and where one gets a permit when we didn't even know we were going to camp there 3 hours earlier? No signs other than to stay on marked roads, just open desert, lots of dirt roads to pick from.

Nearly nobody is out there in the big beautiful desert and maybe the excessive rules added by big government restricting personal freedoms is why?

Thanks Barry for sharing what it was like when the public could enjoy public lands! I actually am old enough to remember a little, and it was here at the Yuha Desert, 48 years ago that I camped with my parents. I was sharing with my son a little family history, ,the best of life.


alright david! you made it what, 17,18 replies before you destroyed your own non baja trip report! nice! and now guess what, you're blaming everyone else!
riddle me this Kman, and im serious, what the heck is the matter with you?:?:

Cisco - 1-25-2015 at 09:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Thanks for sharing David. I'd like to check that area out.

Hey, is it okay to have an open fire out there?


Inside Anza Borrego Desert State Park fires are restricted to self-provided containers in the boonies, and leaving/dumping coals and charcoal is a no-no. Bring your own firewood---NO FIREWOOD COLLECTION IS ALLOWED as there is not much there.

On BLM (all of the Yuha Desert and where David was) fires are permitted but bringing your own firewood is highly recommended. ( This is as of some 20 years ago, so may be different now but I don't think so.)

Barry


Thanks for the clarification. I know about the Anza Borrego restrictions and thus the question. Plenty of evidence there of people that don't follow/know the rules.


Technically, a permit is required but maybe not enforced, or maybe one can just selectively decide on which rules and laws they chose to follow or not.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/cdd/fire/fire_restrictions.ht...


Diana. A pregunta por favor.

You seem to be acquainted with high/low deserts maybe you can help me out here with a definition.

Coming south through Joshua Tree I stopped at all the little highway information placards that were in the park describing different scenes and characteristics.

One of them delineated the "low" Sonora desert with the "middle" Mojave and pointed out that the only "high" desert in California was located up in the NE corner. Yet I hear people call places around hwy 10 "high Desert" which is a mis-nomer according to the Joshua Tree Rangers.

Ayuda! Any clarification?

DianaT - 1-25-2015 at 09:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Cisco  
Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Thanks for sharing David. I'd like to check that area out.

Hey, is it okay to have an open fire out there?


Inside Anza Borrego Desert State Park fires are restricted to self-provided containers in the boonies, and leaving/dumping coals and charcoal is a no-no. Bring your own firewood---NO FIREWOOD COLLECTION IS ALLOWED as there is not much there.

On BLM (all of the Yuha Desert and where David was) fires are permitted but bringing your own firewood is highly recommended. ( This is as of some 20 years ago, so may be different now but I don't think so.)

Barry


Thanks for the clarification. I know about the Anza Borrego restrictions and thus the question. Plenty of evidence there of people that don't follow/know the rules.


Technically, a permit is required but maybe not enforced, or maybe one can just selectively decide on which rules and laws they chose to follow or not.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/cdd/fire/fire_restrictions.ht...


Diana. A pregunta por favor.

You seem to be acquainted with high/low deserts maybe you can help me out here with a definition.

Coming south through Joshua Tree I stopped at all the little highway information placards that were in the park describing different scenes and characteristics.

One of them delineated the "low" Sonora desert with the "middle" Mojave and pointed out that the only "high" desert in California was located up in the NE corner. Yet I hear people call places around hwy 10 "high Desert" which is a mis-nomer according to the Joshua Tree Rangers.

Ayuda! Any clarification?


Sorry, I really have no idea the official designation of high or low desert. I know we refer to our area as high desert because we are at 4000 feet in comparison to when we lived at sea level in Imperial County. But, that very well may be totally inaccurate. :yes::biggrin:

Cisco - 1-25-2015 at 09:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  
Quote: Originally posted by Cisco  
Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Thanks for sharing David. I'd like to check that area out.

Hey, is it okay to have an open fire out there?


Inside Anza Borrego Desert State Park fires are restricted to self-provided containers in the boonies, and leaving/dumping coals and charcoal is a no-no. Bring your own firewood---NO FIREWOOD COLLECTION IS ALLOWED as there is not much there.

On BLM (all of the Yuha Desert and where David was) fires are permitted but bringing your own firewood is highly recommended. ( This is as of some 20 years ago, so may be different now but I don't think so.)

Barry


Thanks for the clarification. I know about the Anza Borrego restrictions and thus the question. Plenty of evidence there of people that don't follow/know the rules.


Technically, a permit is required but maybe not enforced, or maybe one can just selectively decide on which rules and laws they chose to follow or not.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/cdd/fire/fire_restrictions.ht...


Diana. A pregunta por favor.

You seem to be acquainted with high/low deserts maybe you can help me out here with a definition.

Coming south through Joshua Tree I stopped at all the little highway information placards that were in the park describing different scenes and characteristics.

One of them delineated the "low" Sonora desert with the "middle" Mojave and pointed out that the only "high" desert in California was located up in the NE corner. Yet I hear people call places around hwy 10 "high Desert" which is a mis-nomer according to the Joshua Tree Rangers.

Ayuda! Any clarification?


Sorry, I really have no idea the official designation of high or low desert. I know we refer to our area as high desert because we are at 4000 feet in comparison to when we lived at sea level in Imperial County. But, that very well may be totally inaccurate. :yes::biggrin:



??? The placard I was reading was at the altitude, in the southern part of the Park where the Sonora became the Mojave, the division of low and middle deserts according to it.

I don't know where you are but Black Rock Desert (Burning Man. WHOO-HOO) I think is about 3900 and it extends into California.

I have a big booklet topo map of California. Will check it out.

Mil Gracias.

Mexitron - 1-25-2015 at 09:57 PM

In California there is low, or Colorado Desert, mid-elevation Mojave of which Joshua Tree Park is part of, and High Desert which generally is over 4,000-5,000 feet elev. and has Great Basin Sage and Rabbit Brush as its type components----there's actually patches of High Desert all over the state---the Owen's Valley has patches of it as the elevation increases going north and the creosote disappears. If you've ever driven across Nevada all those basins are typical High Desert. Pinion Pine and Juniper are other components occasionally.

DianaT - 1-25-2015 at 10:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron  
In California there is low, or Colorado Desert, mid-elevation Mojave of which Joshua Tree Park is part of, and High Desert which generally is over 4,000-5,000 feet elev. and has Great Basin Sage and Rabbit Brush as its type components----there's actually patches of High Desert all over the state---the Owen's Valley has patches of it as the elevation increases going north and the creosote disappears. If you've ever driven across Nevada all those basins are typical High Desert. Pinion Pine and Juniper are other components occasionally.


So here in Big Pine in the Owens Valley we are high desert --- barely at 4000 feet. Terrain wise, we do feel like we are more connected in many ways to Nevada. Of course around here, drive 15 minutes in different directions and it all changes.

wessongroup - 1-25-2015 at 10:22 PM

Thanks for the trip ... been a long while for me too :):)

California is a trip ... Alpine to Death Valley

[Edited on 1-26-2015 by wessongroup]

Cisco - 1-25-2015 at 10:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron  
In California there is low, or Colorado Desert, mid-elevation Mojave of which Joshua Tree Park is part of, and High Desert which generally is over 4,000-5,000 feet elev. and has Great Basin Sage and Rabbit Brush as its type components----there's actually patches of High Desert all over the state---the Owen's Valley has patches of it as the elevation increases going north and the creosote disappears. If you've ever driven across Nevada all those basins are typical High Desert. Pinion Pine and Juniper are other components occasionally.


Great explanation, Thank You.

Clears up the whole thing.

I have friends in Trona and Ridgecrest (2500'?) who are always saying they live in the high desert and it made me wonder after seeing the JT Park information.

I am keeping the flora information for ref. in my travels.

Very helpful, tnx again.

Cisco - 1-25-2015 at 11:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  
Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron  
In California there is low, or Colorado Desert, mid-elevation Mojave of which Joshua Tree Park is part of, and High Desert which generally is over 4,000-5,000 feet elev. and has Great Basin Sage and Rabbit Brush as its type components----there's actually patches of High Desert all over the state---the Owen's Valley has patches of it as the elevation increases going north and the creosote disappears. If you've ever driven across Nevada all those basins are typical High Desert. Pinion Pine and Juniper are other components occasionally.


So here in Big Pine in the Owens Valley we are high desert --- barely at 4000 feet. Terrain wise, we do feel like we are more connected in many ways to Nevada. Of course around here, drive 15 minutes in different directions and it all changes.


Diana this is soo cool.

"Mount Whitney, the highest peak in the Continental United States, is on Inyo County's western border (with Tulare County). The Badwater Basin in Death Valley National Park, the lowest place in North America, is in eastern Inyo County. The two points are not visible from each other, but both can be observed from the Panamint Range on the west side of Death Valley, above the Panamint Valley."

So. You are living in the high desert of the County in the United States that has both the highest and lowest elevations of the entire continental country.

Mexitron - 1-26-2015 at 07:26 AM

Actually the technical name for high desert I've described is 'Great Basin Desert', since it covers large portions of the western U.S. basin and range provinces. Just listening to the local newscast---they do refer to Joshua Tree and similar environs as 'High Desert' since it is higher than other locales like Palm Springs(just to confuse things!) but really its Mojave Desert which is 'higher' than Colorado Desert where Palm Springs is.

big govt, for a big country

mtgoat666 - 1-26-2015 at 07:36 AM

Quote:
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Oh brother... more big government to deal with.

So, tell me how and where one gets a permit when we didn't even know we were going to camp there 3 hours earlier? No signs other than to stay on marked roads, just open desert, lots of dirt roads to pick from.

Nearly nobody is out there in the big beautiful desert and maybe the excessive rules added by big government restricting personal freedoms is why?
.


From the blm::::::
If you create a campfire of any kind on lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management, U.S. Forest Service, California Department of Forestry, and Fire Protection, or National Park Service, you will need a campfire permit.

Campfire permits are free of charge, and may be obtained from any Bureau of Land Management office in California. We now have a link for your convenience to obtain a campfire permit online: "Preventwildfireca.org" To obtain National Park Service (NPS) campfire permits, contact the NPS you plan on visiting. You may also obtain campfire permits from any of the following agencies:

US Forest Service
National Park Service
California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection
Additional Information

On private land you must have written permission from the landowner for campfire use.
Many high-country areas prohibit wood fires to protect scarce vegetation.
If you smoke outside a vehicle, be sure you do so within a cleared area at least 3 feet in diameter.



So....... If you can plan ahead to bring food and fire fuel, then I think you can plan ahead and get a fire permit online.

P.s. Why is "big govt" bad? The USA has biggest military in the world, biggest economic engine in the world, huge land area,.... Sort of goes along that it would have a big government.

Types of Deserts

RnR - 1-26-2015 at 08:42 AM

This is a bit of a hi-jack but follows the low/mid/high discussion of deserts -

There are four distinct desert types in the US. Not sure where the low/mid/high desert names originate as the desert types are primarily determined by vegetation types rather than elevation.

In very brief summary, here are the names and characteristic vegetation types -

Great Basin (high) Desert - characteristic vegetation is sagebrush and saltbush.

Mojave Desert - characteristic vegetation is creosote bush and joshua tree.

Sonoran Desert - characteristic vegetation is large cactuses, saguaros/cardons

Chihuahan Desert - characteristict vegetation is small low cactus and agaves.

The borders between the different deserts are transitions rather than a distinct line. However, once you travel well into a different type of desert, you typically will not see another desert's characteristic vegetation type.

As in -

If you are surrounded by creosote bush (Mojave), you typically will not see any sagebrush.

If you are surrounded by sagebrush, you typically will not see any saguaros/cardons.

Etc.

Link to a map of the types of deserts and their locations -
Deserts of North America

On edit -

I decided to start a new thread with this topic rather than hi-jack DK's trip report.

[Edited on 1-26-2015 by RnR]

elgatoloco - 1-26-2015 at 10:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Quote: Originally posted by Ateo  
Thanks for the report David.

All, I'm heading to Anza next weekend and I'm looking for a "metal container" to burn my wood in. Any ideas? I know people use dryer drums but any other ideas?


I had a small Weber bbq die on me so I gutted it and use it. Definitely not a good choice for a big fire but very portable.

[Edited on 1-26-2015 by Bajaboy]




Dude that's exactly what I was thinking. I have an old red one that never gets used. Take a couple screws out, take legs off, and DONE.[/

We always camped with a mini weber smokey joe for grilling and then used it for fire pit after dinner. One of the legs finally broke off and now it's fire pit only. It's handy because it's small and packs easily has a lid for traveling and it makes for a nice 'Indian fire' small so you all get in tight to talk story.

David K - 1-26-2015 at 10:29 AM

Thank you RnR... hijacks like yours above would be more welcome here than even my replies! LOL

(you are welcome to hijack my threads anytime with things like what you posted, informative facts, maps, or just friendly conversation)

Winter Camping

windgrrl - 1-26-2015 at 10:54 AM

Hi, David,

I have camped at -30 C in the snow in comfort with a plastic tarp shelter and all-season sleeping bag.

Switching to an insulative type of mattress and sleeping in a lean-to facing the fire could increase your ability to be warm and sleep.
http://www.atmosphere.ca/en/advice/camping/sleeping-pads

Spent a night in chilly Jacumba last November in a cozy motel. Enjoyed your trip report,
W

[Edited on 1-26-2015 by windgrrl]

David K - 1-26-2015 at 11:05 AM

Quote: Originally posted by windgrrl  
Hi, David,

I have camped at -30 C in the snow in comfort with a plastic tarp shelter and all-season sleeping bag.

Switching to an insulative type of mattress and sleeping in a lean-to facing the fire could increase your ability to be warm and sleep.
http://www.atmosphere.ca/en/advice/camping/sleeping-pads

Spent a night in chilly Jacumba last November in a cozy motel. Enjoyed your trip report,
W

[Edited on 1-26-2015 by windgrrl]


Thanks... I just threw a few things in my truck for this trip and only had one tarp... which I put on the ground (to keep my air mattress clean). If I had my normal supplies, there would be more tarps, one of which I would put over me, as I have done before when not using a tent... works great. I wasn't cold inside my bag (it is a 20 degree rated bag), but getting up a couple times during the night, the cold air is just not as fun being in as a night in Baja, in July!

[Edited on 1-26-2015 by David K]

mtgoat666 - 1-26-2015 at 12:56 PM


high, low, left, right,... it doesn't matter.

this sign on the S2 amuses me.

Mexitron - 1-26-2015 at 01:26 PM

LOL