BajaNomad - Tijuana to have first foreign Gas stations

Tijuana to have first foreign Gas stations

David K - 6-6-2015 at 12:04 AM

https://cadenanoticias.mx/nota.php?cont=notas&nota=12607

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In four years, Pemex would cease to own up to 50 percent of gas stations currently held in franchise, opening it to private companies for the distribution and sale of fuels, as provided in the Hydrocarbons Law Reform Energy. The companies that come to the country to look dominant in the domestic market are Shell, Texaco, Exxon Mobile and Chevron, among others, which are already managing their arrival or even buying infrastructure service stations to employers national.

However, once the law allows gasoline imports by private initiative, the first area of impact will the border between Mexico and the United States, as the logistics for the transportation of these oil will be less expensive for its proximity to the storage plants located in the neighboring country.

According to Pablo Gonzalez, president of the Mexican Association of Entrepreneurs Gasolineros (Amegas) in the border states will appreciate the first impact of this opening. Currently PEMEX has registered the less 10,904 service stations across the country. However, only in the six states bordering the United States have three thousand 184 gas stations, of which at least 31 percent, ie, a thousand stations, could help Pemex in a first phase to join foreign brands . We have analyzed and will surely start with the border with Tijuana to the Gulf. That slot will have a direct impact because there is not any infrastructure is needed. In fact, many companies already want to bring their products as Shell, which is near Tijuana across the border, "he said.

[Edited on 6-6-2015 by David K]

Texaco

J.P. - 6-6-2015 at 08:40 AM

Texaco is no more. It went under years ago

SFandH - 6-6-2015 at 08:51 AM

Quote: Originally posted by J.P.

Texaco is no more. It went under years ago

You should tell them to take down their website.

http://www.texaco.com/

J.P. - 6-6-2015 at 09:04 AM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

Quote: Originally posted by J.P.

Texaco is no more. It went under years ago

You should tell them to take down their website.

http://www.texaco.com/

They merged with Chevron and took down the Texaco logo. When was the last time you saw the Old Familiar Texaco Station in the U S

J.P. - 6-6-2015 at 09:19 AM

It's hard to tell whose who in that business. I was raised in a Magnolia/ Mobile family in Texas. I have Stood on the site of Texaco oil Well #1 many times. most of all those company's evolved from a huge anti trust suit and were / are part of the Standard oil family.
My first Cousin went to work for Texaco straight out of S.M.U. and rose up to a Vice president of his division rather quickly. He seen the hand righting on the wall and pulled out and started his own company and today a very successful operator in Dallas.

[Edited on 6-6-2015 by J.P.]

Udo - 6-6-2015 at 09:20 AM

It looks like Texaco is making a comeback in Mexico.

Ateo - 6-6-2015 at 09:20 AM

There are still a few Texaco's around, but yeah, owned by Chevron.

I wonder.........................will these new stations just be branded Chevron/Shell/Mobil whatever, owned independently, etc...or will they actually be owned and operated by these corporations?

Ateo - 6-6-2015 at 09:25 AM

10,904 Pemex stations is what the article should say, I'm guessing.

David K - 6-6-2015 at 09:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo

10,904 Pemex stations is what the article should say, I'm guessing.

Thanks Jon, I edited that weird number!

basautter - 6-6-2015 at 10:10 AM

Great news! I am guessing this will make it easier to get gas on the peninsula :bounce:

durrelllrobert - 6-6-2015 at 11:26 AM

I remember buying Mobil gas in TJ back in the 50's

mtgoat666 - 6-6-2015 at 11:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo

There are still a few Texaco's around, but yeah, owned by Chevron.

I wonder.........................will these new stations just be branded Chevron/Shell/Mobil whatever, owned independently, etc...or will they actually be owned and operated by these corporations?

The majors no longer own retail outlets. They are all franchises now. Btw, the different stations all get their gasoline from same source (bulk tanks), and only vary by the additives, if any.

Why does dk think Texaco is still an active brand? I think Texaco brand no longer used in most countries, but perhaps still used in a few places...

mtgoat666 - 6-6-2015 at 11:53 AM

The major brands always cost more, don't know why anyone buys from majors. I usually buy USA gasoline, they are always cheap cheap in my part of San Diego...

Bob and Susan - 6-6-2015 at 12:03 PM

remember the REAL owners

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Ateo - 6-6-2015 at 12:54 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo

The majors no longer own retail outlets. They are all franchises now.
Btw, the different stations all get their gasoline from same source (bulk tanks), and only vary by the additives, if any.

Why does dk think Texaco is still an active brand? I think Texaco brand no longer used in most countries, but perhaps still used in a few places...

Sorry goat, but the major oil companies own plenty of retail facilities. I was just reviewing a list of chevron company owned/operated stations in California and it went on page after page after page.

The gas you are buying at USA comes directly from the Arco terminal in SD, now owned by Tesoro, which is like you said, totally okay gas.

[Edited on 6-6-2015 by Ateo]

grace59 - 6-7-2015 at 11:10 AM

We still have Texaco "Service" Stations here in Washington. It is one of the places where I can use my Safeway fuel points....Yes, we still have Safeway grocery stores here, too.

David K - 6-7-2015 at 11:17 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo

Goat, take a break... I posted a news link and it had the Texaco station photo, not my creation. Texaco is still active in some areas... They were here in SoCal until just a few years ago. Amoco and Gulf were here further back in time. The big brand players in San Diego now seem to be Chevron, Shell, 76, and ARCO.

norte - 6-7-2015 at 11:34 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo

If they used to be here, they must be relevant today. Now that's DavidK logic. a good one. Wonder how much bribery these new stations are going to have to pay?
Maybe they have to run honest pumps?

Bajahowodd - 6-7-2015 at 03:54 PM

This is all most likely stemming from the fact that Mexico has huge amounts of underwater petroleum reserves but Pemex has neither the equipment nor the knowledge of hoe to extract it.

And fact is that most of the so-called Pemex gasoline has been refined in Texas for years.

SFandH - 6-7-2015 at 04:46 PM

Here's a short, recent article about the planned break-up of the PEMEX monopoly by allowing foreign companies to participate.

Mexico expects $62.5bn of new foreign investment into its energy sector in the next three years.

http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/jun/02/...

I've read elsewhere that the need to do deep water drilling in the Gulf, which is new to PEMEX, is a technical reason for bringing in foreign companies.

[Edited on 6-7-2015 by SFandH]

Hook - 6-7-2015 at 04:51 PM

Actually, the title of the OP is completely misleading, IMO. If you read the article, it's purely speculative about Texaco..........and all the other companies.

SFandH - 6-7-2015 at 05:04 PM

Who knows? Maybe someday soon the folks in TJ will be playing "what station has the cheapest gas" game and pumping their own gas when they find it. You know how slow that will be while the whole country figures out how to start and use the pumps? I know it's not hard but neither are ATMs, which seem to befuddle many Mexican folks, at least the ones in front of me.

I like the PEMEX stations but Mex gas is pricey these days.

[Edited on 6-8-2015 by SFandH]

Hook - 6-7-2015 at 05:39 PM

You LIKE crooked pumps and doctored gasoline ??!!! :?:

[Edited on 6-8-2015 by Hook]

SFandH - 6-7-2015 at 05:58 PM

That's going to change because the sign says Texaco?

You can trust your car to the man who wears the star.............

norte - 6-7-2015 at 07:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

You LIKE crooked pumps and doctored gasoline ??!!! :?:

[Edited on 6-8-2015 by Hook]

That is the norm, right?

DENNIS - 6-8-2015 at 07:04 AM

I won't believe outside oil companies will be competing with PEMEX until I see it. Service stations may vary, but the supplier will remain the same. Then....they'll give the illusion of competition.
It's all showbiz.

Mexitron - 6-8-2015 at 07:21 AM

Lots of Texaco still in Texas....saw a few on drive to Oregon last week too.

Hook - 6-8-2015 at 08:24 AM

Quote: Originally posted by norte

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

You LIKE crooked pumps and doctored gasoline ??!!! :?:

[Edited on 6-8-2015 by Hook]

That is the norm, right?

It's a high percentage, with respect to the crooked pumps.

I saw a article only a couple years ago that claimed that as much as 10% of all Pemex fuel has been doctored by black market enterprises. Mostly it was legitimate Pemex drivers taking their full load to a clandestine location and draining off part of it and replacing it with something less volatile and less expensive. So, that percentage is not that high.

There are definitely crooked pumps in our area.

mtgoat666 - 6-8-2015 at 08:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

Quote: Originally posted by norte

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

You LIKE crooked pumps and doctored gasoline ??!!! :?:

[Edited on 6-8-2015 by Hook]

That is the norm, right?

Reminiscent of food produced in China, where they add off-spec stuff to food to make a fast buck, and sometimes the people that eat the food die from the creative capitalism,...
The human propensity for fraud and deceit is boundless, you can trust very few people, and a strong nanny state is required to police our industry and commercial products to prevent fraud such as is rampant in Mexico gasoline,...
Fraud is large and small, it happens in mega corporations, and the mom/pop corner gas stations

Back to the Future

MrBillM - 6-8-2015 at 09:24 AM

As noted, both Shell and Mobil were in Baja back in the 50s and into the 60s.

I remember well the Shell station in San Felipe.

And I have 8mm video from '57 showing same.

Having once mentioned to a [disbelieving] Baja friend that the two were common back then, we happened later to be traveling through La Puerta on on the way to SF and I pointed out both the old Mobil and Shell stations along the highway where the signage still existed.

El Rosario Gas Pumps by Howard Gulick

David K - 6-8-2015 at 09:34 AM

In 1956, Baja Cactus Pemex in El Rosario was a Standard Oil (Chevron now) station...

In a 1960 photo, Mama Espinoza's was a Union Oil (76) station...

Bajahowodd - 6-8-2015 at 03:54 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS

I won't believe outside oil companies will be competing with PEMEX until I see it. Service stations may vary, but the supplier will remain the same. Then....they'll give the illusion of competition.
It's all showbiz.

It is a survival move by Mexico, because they are running low on their currently available reserves, and need the outside expertise and equipment in order to tap their huge underwater reserves.

As for those talking about the crooked pumps in Mexico, fact is that most Pemex stations are franchised. And Pemex actually does shut off supplies to the crooked dealers, albeit usually for a short time. In fact, the most common reason that may encounter a Pemx station that is out of gas, is because Pemex reacted to their cheating.

That said, if and when the internationals come in, they will almost most certainly be involved with franchisees, probably former Pemex franchisees.

And so it goes -Billy Pilgrim.

mtgoat666 - 6-8-2015 at 04:13 PM

Tecate...

Fuel theft costs Pemex $1.29 bn

Mexico City, May 18 (EFE).- State-owned oil giant Petroleos Mexicanos, or Pemex, lost more than 19 billion pesos ($1.2 billion) last year due to gasoline theft and the tapping of pipelines, a crime that has grown over the past 15 years, the Mexico City daily El Universal reported Monday.

A total of 11,872 illegal taps were discovered between 2000 and 2014, with the number of cases rising from 132 in 2001 to 3,348 in 2014, the newsaper said, citing figures provided by the energy company in response to a request filed under Mexico's freedom of information law.

Theft of fuel from Pemex pipelines, known in Mexico as "milking," has grown because of rising demand for fuel on the black market, where it sells for between five pesos and eight pesos ($0.30 and $0.50), or about half the official price.

Losses from fuel theft totaled 19.41 billion pesos ($1.29 billion) last year, Pemex Refinacion deputy director of distribution Francisco Fernandez Lagos said.

An analysis done by the newspaper found that the 10 cities with the highest number of cases of fuel theft are Altamira and Reynosa, in the northeastern state of Tamaulipas; Culiacan, Mocorito and Salvador Alvarado, in the northwestern state of Sinaloa; Huimanguillo, in the southeastern state of Tabasco; Juan Rodriguez Clara and Tierra Blanca, in the eastern state of Veracruz; Zapotlanejo, in the western state of Jalisco; and Tecate, in the northwestern state of Baja California.

Thirty-six other cities in 13 different states accounted for 50 percent of the fuel theft cases.

Pemex employees, drug traffickers and business owners are among those involved in the illegal activity, which has grown because of inaction by the company's union and management's failure to crack down on those stealing fuel, security consultatnt Raul Benitez Manaut said.

In the city of Altamira alone, the number of cases surged from one in 2000 to 226 by 2013 and 309 last year.

BajaGlenn - 6-20-2015 at 01:54 PM

Love the old photo's David --got any more???

durrelllrobert - 6-20-2015 at 03:16 PM

Goat wrote: "a strong nanny state is required to police our industry and commercial products" :lol:

That's an impossible dream in Mexico.

David K - 6-20-2015 at 04:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaGlenn

Love the old photo's David --got any more???

Me too... looking into a time machine is what they are! To see more, you will find the links on my web site home page: http://vivabaja.com/

One (from where the El Rosarion ones came):
BAJA CALIFORNIA, 1950-1967: Photographs by Howard E. Gulick
direct link: http://libraries.ucsd.edu/speccoll/baja/gulick/index.html

Another: The Choral Pepper Collection
direct link: http://www.choralpepper.com/

Another: The Harry Crosby Collection
direct link: https://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/77winter/bajaimages....

Much much more of the Howard Gulick collection, 100 pages (click on image to enlarge, and zoom in more with mouse roller or press +):

http://library.ucsd.edu/dc/search?f%5Bsubject_topic_sim%5D%5...