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I wonder what we ate?

weebray - 6-12-2015 at 02:42 PM

We just had one of the best fish fillet meals ever at one of our favorite restaurants here in La Paz - Mc Fisher on Morelos. Cooked to perfection the waiter told us it was "clavicucho", he wrote it down for us. A Google search came up this result:

"They are several common names used to identify this species in the literature end of common speech
In English:
In Spanish:
Mexican seabass
Cabicucho
Tutuaba
Curvineta
mexican weakfish
Curvina piedrera
jewfish.
Abanico

Machorro

Although it is important to say that fishermen change names from one fishing season to another, so they don't get caught, and avoid being imposed a sanction. In general when small Totoaba are caught they are sold filled as "Cabicucho or Corvina", and when large fish are caught are caught they are sold mainly as grouper."

The meat was darkish uncooked but perfectly white and very juicy when done. I wonder what we just ate?

Osprey - 6-12-2015 at 02:51 PM

All our East Cape restaurants are buying marlin and it tastes wonderful no matter how they cook it. If I had my wish it would taste like cardboard and this growing problem of deadly marketing would go away. The same wish goes for pargo entero cause it encourages the fishermen to catch small fish that can be served that way. I just don't think it's planet friendly to kill and eat baby anythings except maybe boneless chicken (eggs).

weebray - 6-12-2015 at 03:02 PM

Not all Marlin is great eating, in fact, some of it is not very good. This was not Marlin, he said it was like corvina except larger. I'm guessing it was Totuava since it is being farmed here in Pichilingui now. Next time I'll ask him where it came from. The last time I had a superb fillet there it was Grouper, he said he got it at the Madero Mkt. Quien sabe?

basautter - 6-12-2015 at 04:43 PM

Hmmm...

treuboff - 6-12-2015 at 05:58 PM

Totoaba is not dark raw. Striped Marlin is the best shashimi

grace59 - 6-13-2015 at 08:11 AM

It sounds like Corvina. I've purchased it in the past. It has a darker color when it is raw, but cooks up nice, white and flaky. Very tasty, too!

bajabuddha - 6-13-2015 at 09:14 AM

Weebray, I recently encountered the changing of a fish-name that frankly made my tummy turn. Was in a sushi restaurant in Las Cruces NM, and one of my orders was 'snapper' nigiri. At least, that's what I thought it was; kind-of looked like snapper, but before I chomped into it one of the non-English speaking 'chefs' pointed it out and mentioned the word, "Tilapia". I questioned in Spanish (not a Japanese person in sight) and then asked the (I assume) manager. Yup, they were substituting Tilapia for red snapper!

First, Tilapia is a fresh-warm-water raised fish, most notably used for "cleaning the bottom of large commercial fish farm tanks", notably white bass and striped bass farms in SoCal and Arizona... cleaning, as in eating the fish turds of the larger species, so once the bass are harvested, the Tilapia crop comes next.

Needless to say, I returned my order, and won't be dining there again.

durrelllrobert - 6-13-2015 at 11:36 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
Weebray, I recently encountered the changing of a fish-name that frankly made my tummy turn. Was in a sushi restaurant in Las Cruces NM, and one of my orders was 'snapper' nigiri. At least, that's what I thought it was; kind-of looked like snapper, but before I chomped into it one of the non-English speaking 'chefs' pointed it out and mentioned the word, "Tilapia". I questioned in Spanish (not a Japanese person in sight) and then asked the (I assume) manager. Yup, they were substituting Tilapia for red snapper!

First, Tilapia is a fresh-warm-water raised fish, most notably used for "cleaning the bottom of large commercial fish farm tanks", notably white bass and striped bass farms in SoCal and Arizona... cleaning, as in eating the fish turds of the larger species, so once the bass are harvested, the Tilapia crop comes next.

Needless to say, I returned my order, and won't be dining there again.


At least the Japenese allow you to return your order. Not so at my favorite Chinese restaurant.


bajabuddha - 6-13-2015 at 12:19 PM

:lol: "All you can eat for a dollah, not an houah !! You big boy, you go home now !" :lol:

treuboff - 6-13-2015 at 06:48 PM

Talapia is very blah. Caught them in the canals using green moss and grappling hooks in the spillways.

Hook - 6-14-2015 at 06:02 AM

Tilapia is not bad as entero frito. It's not huachinango good, but it's probably the best way I have had it.

weebray - 6-14-2015 at 07:40 AM

Well, For what it's worth, I stopped by the panga launch area yesterday and talked to a half doz. peacaderos about cavicucho which seems to be the pronunciation consensus of these guys. Pretty much they conclude that it is "like" but "not" corbina [sic]. They all said it was "mas fino" y mas grande than corvina. Some of them said it was very much like totuava. There was not an agreement on where it came from, the pacific or the upper gulf, but it is not in these waters. I will further investigate the knowledge base at the Bravo Mkt. More to follow. Anyone out there with a pic?

Hook - 6-14-2015 at 11:39 AM

I wonder if it's that farmed Chinese basa that began appearing over here a couple years ago. Another bottom feeder.

weebray - 6-14-2015 at 03:18 PM

This just in: My neighbor that owns a panga fleet sez it's a LARGE robalo. I think that's snook? Anyway, everyone agrees it's a BIG pez. Get thee to Mc Fisher and try it, you'll want more, I guarantee it!

Bajahowodd - 6-14-2015 at 04:59 PM

Just seems that the world's commercial fishing industry just depletes a species and then goes on to another. Not nice.:o

bajacalifornian - 6-15-2015 at 12:40 PM





We catch clavicucho especially in November . . . big tide, dirty water, about 138 feet of water, near huachinango fishing grounds outside of Lopez. Big fish. Remind me of pez fuerte. Shares family with its little brother, corvina, and its big brother totoaba.


Please disregard the notion "it's a LARGE robalo" . . .

Pompano - 6-15-2015 at 01:22 PM

For what it's worth to this discussion, this is a nice-sized 'robalo' - snook from Magdalena Bay in Baja Sur.

It was delicious. Caught by casting large shrimp to waters underneath the shoreline mangroves.


weebray - 6-15-2015 at 04:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajacalifornian  




We catch clavicucho especially in November . . . big tide, dirty water, about 138 feet of water, near huachinango fishing grounds outside of Lopez. Big fish. Remind me of pez fuerte. Shares family with its little brother, corvina, and its big brother totoaba.


Please disregard the notion "it's a LARGE robalo" . . .

Dang, Cavichucho or clavicucho? Also, if it's a winter catch why is it in a restaurant in summer? What's the name in English? Anyone with a photo?

bajacalifornian - 6-16-2015 at 10:09 AM






weebray . . . you may find this interesting:

DOC]Prepared by Scientific Authority CITES Mexico

www.cites.org/common/com/ac/17/E17i-06.doc