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Historical Dump in Bahia Asuncion

shari - 7-18-2015 at 05:59 PM

On our way home from the beach swim yesterday we came across this sight.




It was a weird garbage dump as there was nothing but old...real old cans. Juan explained that it was the dump for the original Cantina and the cans were over 50 years old! There were thousands of cans...a whole lotta cerveza was drank there! Nothing but a piece of flat bare ground where the bar was...if cans could talk eh.

woody with a view - 7-18-2015 at 06:09 PM

Pretty cool.

AKgringo - 7-18-2015 at 06:15 PM

It is hard to say nice things about an abandoned dump, but at least it is not a bunch of plastic blowing around the dessert. If the price of scrap metal gets high enough, it might even get cleaned up at little or no cost.

I saw that dump when I stayed at your camp (La Sirena?) I will stop by again in the fall and do some more exploring.

SFandH - 7-18-2015 at 06:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by shari  


if cans could talk eh.


Go into a bar today and listen. Probably the same thing is being said today. Prices are going up, the politicians are crooks, something is wrong with the car, fishing is good/bad, and that Canadian babe at the end of the bar looks like she's lookin'. :lol:

vgabndo - 7-18-2015 at 06:58 PM

There are several of those dumps around which are almost exclusively the same type of can. A steel can with an aluminum top and a removable "pop top". I was curious and assumed they had all come from the same source which only sold one kind of beer. These cans were common starting in about 1960 and were phased out in the mid 70's because of the litter of the removable tops.

That's where I found my favorite little barrel cactus.



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AKgringo - 7-18-2015 at 07:12 PM

"Kicked off my flip flops, stepped on pop top"

Jimmy Buffet

shari - 7-18-2015 at 08:15 PM

I just thought it was kinda cool as a rusting heap of cans provided me with a cool story about the history of our village....there is always more than meets the eye eh!

Ateo - 7-18-2015 at 08:56 PM

Dig it. I may need to come down and do some archaeological work. I bet we could piece together entire people's lives by the stuff dumped/buried there!!

BajaBlanca - 7-18-2015 at 09:50 PM

that is a lot of cans! a lot of stories!

bajabuddha - 7-18-2015 at 10:16 PM

Another few hundred years or so, we'll call it a 'midden'. True story. Only Grandma ain't buried in it like a few other older ones I know of....

shari - 7-19-2015 at 06:59 AM

In San Roque, the families used to just throw their garbage over the side of the hill next to their houses into the arroyo. I have actually seen people still do this! Sometimes Juan and I would pick around down there and he would find stuff from his childhood...he has his brothers old baby shoe in his truck still!

a question...would metal junk collectors be able to cash in on rusty cans like these?

rts551 - 7-19-2015 at 07:21 AM

sure Shari...but only for their scrap metal (non-aluminum) by weight value.

bajabuddha - 7-19-2015 at 07:24 AM

Quote: Originally posted by shari  
In San Roque, the families used to just throw their garbage over the side of the hill next to their houses into the arroyo. I have actually seen people still do this! Sometimes Juan and I would pick around down there and he would find stuff from his childhood...he has his brothers old baby shoe in his truck still!

a question...would metal junk collectors be able to cash in on rusty cans like these?


In Southeast Utah we called that "Navajo Recycling"... toss it in the wash and let The Great Spirit do the rest. From lower San Jan River arm of Lake Bowell is a gorgeous hike up Moonwater Wash... sheer canyon walls for miles, and the farther towards the top you got, the more human detritus you'd encounter.

Far's your question of recycling, I doubt that material would be viable for recycling, and if so, wouldn't bring as much dinero as something like aluminum..... that, coupled with how far it would have to be transported for cashing in on (at least Vizcaino or Guerrero) it'd be more for gas than gain. I'd recommend a) it's just part of 'days-gone-by' as a curiosity, or b) 4 hours on a backhoe w/ a few rakes, and problem solved.

Fatboy - 7-19-2015 at 08:04 AM

All cans, Shari? No bottles?

It is interesting and the more remote and older the better!

I need to get down in that area....one of the larger pieces of Baja I have not been in.... South of Bahia Tortugas south to north Isla Magdalena along the Pacific coast is an area I have not seen at all. Big chunk of Baja I need to see.

shari - 7-19-2015 at 01:19 PM

I hear that all the time from ole baja travelers..before it was the road from hell so not many people entered but now that it is all paved...we are seeing folks like you Fatboy who always meant to explore this area. I get to hear some pretty good yarns about their old baja experiences!

Now it is so easy to access that many baja aficionados come in to stay here instead of GN! So see ya soon for a cold one amigo!

bledito - 7-19-2015 at 04:16 PM

scrap metal was paying 200 a ton or better in Chicago don't know where you would take it to in Baja.

chuckie - 7-19-2015 at 04:32 PM

Mostly rust,little metal left...no value

bajabuddha - 7-19-2015 at 04:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Mostly rust,little metal left...no value


...kin'ee like us, eh? A little metal left.... :smug:

Bajahowodd - 7-19-2015 at 04:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by shari  
In San Roque, the families used to just throw their garbage over the side of the hill next to their houses into the arroyo. I have actually seen people still do this! Sometimes Juan and I would pick around down there and he would find stuff from his childhood...he has his brothers old baby shoe in his truck still!

a question...would metal junk collectors be able to cash in on rusty cans like these?


Am I correct in assuming that Juan's family. Arce, is part of the ejido that stretches South for many miles? I ask, because we came upon Arce clan down in Punta Abreojos. Thanks.

Fatboy - 7-19-2015 at 04:48 PM
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but now that it is all paved


Well that is a bummer for me.....I was hoping for something like the drive north from Santa Rosaliita north along the pacific which I have done a few times now....oh well still want to do it....

chuckie - 7-19-2015 at 04:58 PM

Nebraska.............

bajasusan/a - 7-19-2015 at 05:11 PM

thanks for the post, shari. gonna get back this summer, i swear!

shari - 7-20-2015 at 06:46 AM

believe me Fatboy...you would NOT wanted to have driven to Asuncion before it was paved...it was the road from hell with very high bad washboard...not a nice dirt road at all. There are still lots of great dirt to explore around these parts once you get in the area! You will enjoy the coast dirt road between Abreojos and Asuncion then out to Tortugas.

The Arce clan is very widespread in this area...probably the biggest name round here all stemming back from a Spanish cavalry dude who guarded the San Ignacio mission who married an indigenous woman and populated the whole area with Arces!!! Many of them have blue eyes! There are lots of them who still are horsemen and rancheros, and they are in BOLA, Rosalillita, Catavina, GN, Sta.Rosalia, San Lucas Cove, San Ignacio, Abreojos, Asuncion etc etc.

Bajasusana...look forward to your return to your duties!!!

[Edited on 7-20-2015 by shari]

norte - 7-20-2015 at 08:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by shari  
believe me Fatboy...you would NOT wanted to have driven to Asuncion before it was paved...it was the road from hell with very high bad washboard...not a nice dirt road at all. There are still lots of great dirt to explore around these parts once you get in the area! You will enjoy the coast dirt road between Abreojos and Asuncion then out to Tortugas.

The Arce clan is very widespread in this area...probably the biggest name round here all stemming back from a Spanish cavalry dude who guarded the San Ignacio mission who married an indigenous woman and populated the whole area with Arces!!! Many of them have blue eyes! There are lots of them who still are horsemen and rancheros, and they are in BOLA, Rosalillita, Catavina, GN, Sta.Rosalia, San Lucas Cove, San Ignacio, Abreojos, Asuncion etc etc.

Bajasusana...look forward to your return to your duties!!!

[Edited on 7-20-2015 by shari]


THey are all related? hmmmmm.

Road between Asucion and Abreojos

AKgringo - 7-20-2015 at 11:01 AM

Shari, I can see where that would be a great road, when it is graded, but it is hell when it is washboarded!

I drove that section headed south last October, and gritted my teeth for 50 miles. It was a 4 or 40 road (mph) and I wound up shaking the spare tire carrier off of my utility trailer. I drove over 500 miles of back roads and off road, and it was the worst of the trip.

I would sure try to get a recent road report before sending someone down that path!

Same as SoCa until 1961

durrelllrobert - 7-20-2015 at 11:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by shari  
On our way home from the beach swim yesterday we came across this sight.




It was a weird garbage dump as there was nothing but old...real old cans. Juan explained that it was the dump for the original Cantina and the cans were over 50 years old! There were thousands of cans...a whole lotta cerveza was drank there! Nothing but a piece of flat bare ground where the bar was...if cans could talk eh.


This beach was called "Tin Can" beach prior to be cleaned up in 1961. Today it is Bola Chica State Beach and is adjacent to the city of Hunington Beach

shari - 7-20-2015 at 12:24 PM

AKgringo...you are right but sounds like that is what Fatboy likes! that road is still 10 times better than the old road from Vizcaino to Asuncion...so you can imagine what that one was like! Road tolerances are a slippery slope...one person thinks it's just fine and another thinks it's horrible!

Fatboy - 7-20-2015 at 03:37 PM
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that road is still 10 times better than the old road from Vizcaino to Asuncion


The first time in that area was about 16 years ago and on the drive from Vizcaino to Bahia Tortugas we broke a front shock on the jeep and a few miles later I slammed on the brakes and skidded to a stop.

'My ex-wife asked me, what is wrong?!?!?'

'Nothing, I said, but see the that wrecked car?'

--Now the 'wrecked car' I was referring to was upside down, burned, no glass (the roof might have been caved in) with no tires and all rusty.--

'That is a jeep Cherokee, maybe it has the piece I need to fix this front shock.'

Much to my dismay it did not have the piece we needed so it was onto Bahia Tortugas where we spent a pleasant afternoon with a local mechanic trying to repair the Jeep.

My children played with his children while I attempted to explain what was wrong (I have a horrible ear for language and still only know a few words of Spanish and always mispronounce most of them.) using a Spanish to English dictionary, and lots of hand symbols that made me look like someone with a bad case of Tourettes syndrome.

Finally after he understood what was required he then proceeded to drive me around town to try to find something that would work.

After the Jeep was fixed we were off to see how close we could get to Malarrimo Beach which was a trip full of adventure in itself even though we never even came close to that infamous beach.

The Federales looking at us suspiciously as they explain this is not the road to Malarrimo beach, not even close.

The trade of some beer for some lobsters.

The visit by the local law who asked what we were doing and warned us about driving on the beach due to spots of 'quicksand' which I stupidly ignored and almost lost the jeep to the sea.

The dead whale on the beach and the smell that came from it along with the 10 or so coyotes that came running out from the inside of the dead whale as we drove past.

Good times!!! :lol:

shari - 7-20-2015 at 04:34 PM

yessiree...sounds like a typical adventure on the midwest coast all right!