BajaNomad - What did YOU see last night after sunset in the sky?

Quote: Originally posted by shari

In reality, not one death from this test launch. The people who could be targeted (but you know 'your' president won't) are beheadings and burning to death of hundreds of innocent men, women and children... and posting the horror on the Internet. WHERE is your outrage at that REAL crime against humanity???

You are so quick to make the U.S. the world's evil war monger, but who else goes to war to protect people from real evil (The Axis Powers, Communism, Evil Dictators, and Islamic Terrorists)?

mtgoat666 - 11-8-2015 at 12:53 PM

Chaos and instability yield fanatic groups. The usa invasion of iraq did nothing but cause instability that gave rise to isis. Usa actions using shock and awe just breeds new fanatical opposition. Dk, usa needs to try another option, history shows invading the middle east and sw asia is always a failure.
Ejaculating missles into space is not a solution. Why the attempt to scare usa citizens?

[Edited on 11-8-2015 by mtgoat666]

BajaBlanca - 11-8-2015 at 12:55 PM

never saw anything but this is a good read!

Missile Test

skippermike - 11-8-2015 at 01:04 PM

I think mtgoat666 could be a little closer to the truth.
DK - You are also right that our president, and a large % of Americans, don't have the stomach for what is really needed - until that entire region is turned to sand and c-ckroaches, they'll be killing each other as they have done for thousands of years, but now have taken on the "holy" task of killing all "non-believers" - that's us!
You can't reason, you can't negotiate, you can't appeal to any God but theirs.
Horrible that so many could die to exterminate the root evil. But, look at how many innocents, except by birth, are getting killed now.
Do you think that Putin will be so nice?
The danger is that, somehow, we'll be drawn into this horrific killing tragedy by some ill-advised "mutual defense treaty".
What is your answer to stop the current trend?
Don't offer goody platitudes - they aren't going to work!
Don't say "be nice" - they don't play nice.
Don't say pray for their good will - that would be Christian good will - the reason they want to kill us!!
What is your answer?

[Edited on 11-8-2015 by skippermike]

Teddy Roosevelt had it right

bajaguy - 11-8-2015 at 01:21 PM

"Speak softly and carry a big stick"

Speak Softly ....

skippermike - 11-8-2015 at 02:11 PM

Bajaguy has another approach.
I may have been wrong earlier, and apologize.

If we could ever figure out who to talk with, who to assemble that represents these folks, we could try a more reasonable approach:
We were wrong to come to your countries, and try to impose ourselves on you.
We were wrong to try to take sides in your thousand year old disputes.
We were wrong to offend your religion and traditions.
You were wrong to attack us, though we understand, given the above.

So, we agree to completely leave your countries.
We agree to stop meddling in your regional issues.
We agree to get out of the middle with your conflicts with Israel.
We agree to stop selling or supplying arms to anyone in your region.
We will not furnish US aid to anyone in your region.

In all - you are on your own.

In exchange, if any country/entity/group from your region takes any action against us, see the above, earlier plan.

You all need to figure out how to get everyone in your region to agree to this.
Any hostile action, by anyone, will be viewed as a threat by you all - and you all will pay equally. Sand and c-ckroaches will be all that's left.

Your choice.

rts551 - 11-8-2015 at 02:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Quote: Originally posted by shari

pls where in the constitution does it state we are the worlds protector? Where can you find anything where the world wants to be protected? WE ARE the world's war monger. Too bad you did not sign up to see it first hand.

Sweetwater - 11-8-2015 at 03:11 PM

Fact Sheet: Trident Submarine & Missile System

Trident submarines serve as the sea based nuclear launch system of the Air, Land, and Sea Nuclear Triad supported by the US government. The U.S. currently has 14 nuclear-powered Trident ballistic-missile (SSBN) submarines. Trident submarines are 560 feet in length, or nearly two football fields. Each submarine can carry 24 submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs) designated Trident D5 and each missile can carry up to eight 100 kiloton nuclear warheads (about 30 times the explosive force as the Hiroshima bomb).

The Trident D5 missile stands 44.6 feet high and originally had a range of 4,230 nautical miles with a full load of warheads, and up to 6000+ nautical miles with a reduced load of warheads. Upgrades and Life Extension Programs may have changed some specifications. Warheads are either Mark-4/W76 or Mark-5/W88.

100 : Number of kilotons on ONE Trident W76 warhead

455: Number of kilotons on ONE Trident W88 warhead

345,600: Total number of kilotons deployed on Trident fleet

14: Number of kilotons on atomic bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima

150,000: Number of people killed by the atomic bombing of Hiroshima

1,028 minimum; 4,885 maximum: Number of potential “Hiroshimas” each Trident is capable of destroying

$66,000,000: Price of ONE Trident II D5 missile

14: Number of nuclear- armed submarines the Navy wants to deploy through 2042

$60,000,000: Cost of health insurance for 60,000 children

$10,000,000,000: Annual cost of providing sanitary water to 2.4 billion people worldwide who now lack it

$59,000,000,000: Cost of building housing for 6000,000 homeless families in the US

$170,200,000,000 (low estimate) : Total cost of the ENTIRE Trident program through year 2042

rts551 - 11-8-2015 at 03:35 PM

for $66m What were we testing? or did we need more in the military industrial complex coffers.

Whale-ista - 11-8-2015 at 04:11 PM

When I first heard/read of this mysterious light in the sky, I was dismayed I missed it, thinking it was part of the Taurid meteor event- and I love meteors! (I'll be heading to Palomar Mountain this week to check out the show.)

Over the next few hours, I watched/listened to several videos that were posted, as people expressed excitement and happiness over the spectacle: "Go get the kids!" "Wow- a rocket!!"

Then I realized that people were expressing joy over seeing a massive weapon of incredible destruction that had been launched overhead- though we didn't know it at the time.

Now we know: This launch does not represent an investment in education, healthcare, or an advancement of science, or an improvement to telecommunication services. It's just something that can kill, maim and destroy large areas of the planet.

So, in retrospect- I'm not so unhappy to have missed it. I'll take meteor showers any day. They're free, relatively harmless, and only rarely (and unintentionally) cause damage and/or mass extinctions (sorry about that, dinosaurs).

chuckie - 11-8-2015 at 04:42 PM

I did not know it was carrying a nuclear warhead! Where was it targeted that it killed and maimed so many people? Why hasn't there been coverage of all this destruction on the news? Why do we have any obligation to build houses and provide water for all these people? Where is the expression of fear among the American people?

LancairDriver - 11-8-2015 at 04:53 PM

"Speak softly and carry a big stick"

Works good as long as the other guy doesn't have a stick or a bigger stick to beat your burro with.

chuckie - 11-8-2015 at 05:11 PM

That's why we test our sticks...

bajaguy - 11-8-2015 at 05:33 PM

Works good as long as the other guy doesn't have a stick or a bigger stick to beat your burro with.

Strike first, strike fast, strike hard

mtgoat666 - 11-8-2015 at 05:49 PM

Works good as long as the other guy doesn't have a stick or a bigger stick to beat your burro with.

Strike first, strike fast, strike hard

you know those GOPers, always happy to spend more tax $$ on killing people than on health care! and those GOPers always love sending someone else's children to die in stanland!

i say that anyone that votes to go to war or fund war is required to go, and take their wives and children too! they can let their wives and children take rooms in a MSF hospital compound where they will be safe, eh!

LancairDriver - 11-8-2015 at 05:54 PM

Works good as long as the other guy doesn't have a stick or a bigger stick to beat your burro with.

Strike first, strike fast, strike hard

That's the policy of all of the likely combatants. That's why the high probability of mutual distruction worked so well for 60 years. More players today makes it much more risky however.

bajaguy - 11-8-2015 at 05:54 PM

Not a problem, I spent 21 years in the military.....what about you???? Easy to hide behind a keyboard isn't it???

chuckie - 11-8-2015 at 05:58 PM

Bullshice! No American boy should EVER have to set foot in one of those s***tHole countries. And no government should be building free houses. Many of us have already gone to war..I doubt any of us liked it very much. What have you done, goat, except whine and live on the dole? eh?

rts551 - 11-8-2015 at 06:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie

That's why we test our sticks...

Sorry, those "sticks" have been tested over and over. this was a reliability test...they wanted to make sure it still worked. Look it up. Makes a lot of sense huh.

chuckie - 11-8-2015 at 06:02 PM

Semantics...

rts551 - 11-8-2015 at 06:03 PM

Works good as long as the other guy doesn't have a stick or a bigger stick to beat your burro with.

Strike first, strike fast, strike hard

That's the policy of all of the likely combatants. That's why the high probability of mutual distruction worked so well for 60 years. More players today makes it much more risky however.

And some players don't care if they are annihilated. More virgins that way. Its a different world and we have not adapted. We need to quit saving the world from themselves and let them have their own way of living (or death).

rts551 - 11-8-2015 at 06:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie

Semantics...

$66m worth of semantics. Happens all the time. We need to keep Lockheed in business.

mtgoat666 - 11-8-2015 at 06:17 PM

Not a problem, I spent 21 years in the military.....what about you???? Easy to hide behind a keyboard isn't it???

sorry for your choice. i hope things got better after you got out and recovered from the brainwashing.

bajaguy - 11-8-2015 at 06:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551

$66m worth of semantics. Happens all the time. We need to keep Lockheed in business.

Keeps my stock portfolio in the black/green

mtgoat666 - 11-8-2015 at 06:24 PM

this is mainstream GOP thinking, from news this week:

"Michele Bachmann Claims There's Violence In Israel Because Jesus Is 'Coming Soon' "

You want these whackos (trump or carson, or their fellow lunatics) in the white house with access to nukes on submarines?????

tripledigitken - 11-8-2015 at 06:55 PM

Goat,

And you're comfortable with Iran having nukes, courtesy of Vallerie Jarrett et al?

Being very naïve tonight.

bezzell - 11-9-2015 at 08:49 AM