BajaNomad - Are you getting REAL liters at the gas pump?

Are you getting REAL liters at the gas pump?

carlosg - 12-1-2015 at 06:42 PM

"LITROS COMPLETOS" APP from "El Universal" news paper in Mexico City:

http://litroscompletos.eluniversal.com.mx/

X SALIR

Busca tu gasolinera

Seleccione el estado

Baja California Sur

Seleccione el municipio

...and there it is...!!! with a red pump on it: the darn gas station in "El Cacheno"...

BigBearRider - 12-1-2015 at 07:32 PM

Kind of amazing, isn't it?

ncampion - 12-1-2015 at 07:50 PM

Great site. OK, so just what does " Nego verificación" mean? It translates to Denied verification. Is that good or bad???

AKgringo - 12-1-2015 at 08:06 PM

Interesting! At first I was surprised that there was no information for La Paz, until I realized that it had been translated to 'Peace'!

There is a station just west of 'Peace' that I am sure was rigged, but the map did not come up, just pins. There is one station listed on the Transpenninslar highway, but I don't know if it is the same one.

carlosg - 12-1-2015 at 08:07 PM

This is not an "official" site, it's developed by El Universal and there's no obligation by the gas station owners to allow them to check their pumps for honestly dispensing real liters so they can actually deny verificatio, but this is step forward, let's hope Pemex follows with a similar site with "official" information. Keep your fingers crossed!!!

carlosg - 12-1-2015 at 08:32 PM

Quote: Originally posted by seasider

Quote: Originally posted by carlosg

This is not an "official" site... with "official" information. Keep your fingers crossed!!!

I will go a step further and say that this was paid for by the stations with a "no anomaly" rating.

even if it was supported by the "good guys" the ones with "no anomaly" its a handy tool to have; however... both gas stations in Mulege belong to the same b...owner who doesn't care how much harm its doing by selling 0.8 liters and hurting the local economy by having locals go to Santa Rosalia to buy gas and then staying there and buy what ever they need instead of feeding the local Mulege economy... :fire:

Cielomar - 12-3-2015 at 11:30 AM

This is really interesting and I suspect not too accurate. The Pemex in Pescadero (green) dings you to the tune of 15% whereas the one in Todos Santos owned by the ejido (red) east of town is honest. I know this from filling up gas cans with known liter measurements marked on the sides. I can't imagine the owner of the Pescadero Pemex, who reportedly also owns the TS station (red) has suddenly developed a conscience

Checking accuracy with a 5 gallon can

durrelllrobert - 12-3-2015 at 12:16 PM

Since 1 gallon [US, liquid] = 3.785 411 784 litos a five gallon can should show 18.927 litros on the pump. Since the pump doesn't have that kind of accuracy, he non-compliant stations are set to charge for 4.0 litros/ gal. you get ripped of for 0.057% for every gallon you put in your tank. Hopefully when all the new non-PEMEX stations come on line in Jan. 2016 the pumps will dispense in US gallons.

DENNIS - 12-3-2015 at 12:26 PM

Twelve year old kids can hack into Pentagon software. Does anyone think, even for a minute, they couldn't manipulate a gas pump?

Hook - 12-3-2015 at 12:35 PM

I cant imagine that the new stations will be pumping in gallons.

And I cant imagine that there will be very many of them in Jan 2016. Maybe in TJ, Mexicali, Nogales, Juarez, etc. But for a gringo traveling south, the fuel will probably still be cheaper in the US. It will help the locals, though.

Hook - 12-3-2015 at 12:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS

Twelve year old kids can hack into Pentagon software. Does anyone think, even for a minute, they couldn't manipulate a gas pump?

I think it's actually very low-tech, like drilling a hole in a paddlewheel that measures the flow. The paddlewheel spins the same amount but pushes less fuel. The meter counts the number of revolutions of the paddlewheel only.

Lee - 12-3-2015 at 01:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert

Since 1 gallon [US, liquid] = 3.785 411 784 litos a five gallon can should show 18.927 litros on the pump. Since the pump doesn't have that kind of accuracy, he non-compliant stations are set to charge for 4.0 litros/ gal. you get ripped of for 0.057% for every gallon you put in your tank. Hopefully when all the new non-PEMEX stations come on line in Jan. 2016 the pumps will dispense in US gallons.

Don't have a calculator -- can someone tell me how much a customer is being shorted in liters or gallons translated into dollars?

Hook - 12-3-2015 at 03:30 PM

If Durrells scenario is correct, you would be losing about .225 liters per gallon. If you are filling a five gallon container, it would be 5 x .225 liters or about 1.125 liters short in a 5 gallon container. .225 liters is about 7.6 fluid ounces which is slightly less than a cup of liquid.

I have seen apparent shortages greater than that with a five gallon contained that was not a plastic bloated can. I've seen 22 liters fill up to the 19 liter mark many times.

WARNING! MATH PERFORMED BY AN ENGLISH/COMMUNICATIONS MAJOR!!!

[Edited on 12-3-2015 by Hook]

Cielomar - 12-3-2015 at 04:14 PM

Routinely you get charged for 22 liters when filing a 5 gallon (approx 19lt) gas can. Its about a 15% rip off. I've been told to always state the number of liters you want rather than just "lleno" but I really don't know if that seriously solves the problem

Conversions

bajaguy - 12-3-2015 at 04:36 PM

Check your vehicle owner's manual and determine the capacity of the vehicle fuel tank in liters, then divide by 4......should give you "approximate" liters for 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 and full indications on your fuel gauge

monoloco - 12-3-2015 at 04:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Cielomar

This is really interesting and I suspect not too accurate. The Pemex in Pescadero (green) dings you to the tune of 15% whereas the one in Todos Santos owned by the ejido (red) east of town is honest. I know this from filling up gas cans with known liter measurements marked on the sides. I can't imagine the owner of the Pescadero Pemex, who reportedly also owns the TS station (red) has suddenly developed a conscience

Have you checked them since they changed hands a couple of years ago? I have been told that they are accurate now but haven't checked recently.

DENNIS - 12-3-2015 at 05:10 PM

New stations? Doesn't matter what the sign says, it'll still be PEMEX gas. Biggest source of government revenue won't be given away.
It's all franchise.

Udo - 12-3-2015 at 06:38 PM

Gas has steadily been dropping in the US.

Costco gas is selling at about $2.53 in Los Angeles/Orange counties.

The rest of the US is selling gas as low as $1.35.

When do you suppose the gas prices will drop in Mexico? It has not been keeping up with the USA and the rest of the world.

JC43 - 12-3-2015 at 07:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Udo

Gas has steadily been dropping in the US.

Costco gas is selling at about $2.53 in Los Angeles/Orange counties.

The rest of the US is selling gas as low as $1.35.

When do you suppose the gas prices will drop in Mexico? It has not been keeping up with the USA and the rest of the world.

Dropping gas prices in Mexico??? Please do not make me laugh, Udo? The MX government is corrupt to the bone. Pemex is a MX government institution. So what? Who ever is thinking Pemex will give you honest liters is what he/she is: A dreamer. That`s life in MX. But is it different inside the U.S. My thought, not a bit. Gas companies are cheating whenever they can. Raising when they can. Dropping when they MUST, not before.

pelone - 12-3-2015 at 07:17 PM

A gallon of gas equals 3.8 liters. I have taken ATV fuel containers to various local stations in Loreto and asked for 8 liters of fuel. I have never had the gas level out at the 8 liter line based on the read out of the pump---always below. One good way yo determine which of the local stations give a "more honest" pour is to follow the local fishermen and support the station that they use. This will give you a "more fair" pour.