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Another question about tires

DianaT - 12-30-2015 at 06:20 PM

We finally decided to buy the Michelin LTX A/2, but they are quite backordered everywhere in the size we need. And we have travel plans and don't want to wait.

Where we drive

1. A lot on the highway

2. A lot on gravel and dirt roads --- some not very good dirt roads both wet and dry. But we don't go boulder hopping, or at least not by choice.

3. Seldom on the sand

4. Some snowy and icy roads


We have eliminated the BF Goodrich All Terrains --- they are off the list.

There are two tires we are considering and want to know if anyone has had experience with either of these. We definitely want the Load Range E

The Cooper Discoverer A/T3 Load Range E

The other is the Nitto Terra Grappler G2 Load Range E

A Cadillac ride on the highway is not required.

Thanks and Happy New Year


Bob53 - 12-30-2015 at 06:40 PM

Have no experience with either of those two but I really love Toyo Open Country tires. Check them out.

Udo - 12-30-2015 at 06:42 PM

I think that the best people to answer your question, Diana, is DK, as well as Ken Cooke.
I went with Ken's tires...a 33-10.50 X 18.
Here is the latest thread:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=80842&pag...

4x4abc - 12-30-2015 at 06:42 PM

why load range E?
what vehicle are tires for?

Udo - 12-30-2015 at 06:43 PM

I think they are for a Jeep.

woody with a view - 12-30-2015 at 06:51 PM

I run those tires on my Tundra. VERY happy with them. excellent in the sand (never deflate anymore) and 60k warranty.


DianaT - 12-30-2015 at 07:01 PM

Thanks Bob53 --- will check those out.

Udo, we have a truck and camper. Thanks, I had checked that thread before I posted and not much there for us. They are into a far different type of off road activity than we are and lots of talk about the BFGs that we have removed from the list.

It was another tire thread where we learned about the Michelin Tire that we wanted and can't get! :-(

Woody, you said you are running "those" tires??? Which tires.

Thanks



[Edited on 12-31-2015 by DianaT]

bajaguy - 12-30-2015 at 07:16 PM

I run Toyo Open Country tires on both my trucks. Got them at Les Schwab in Carson City....Schwab has dealers/stores in the northwest.....great service

DianaT - 12-30-2015 at 07:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
I run Toyo Open Country tires on both my trucks. Got them at Les Schwab in Carson City....Schwab has dealers/stores in the northwest.....great service


Thanks. We are hoping to buy them locally if the price is not too much more, or have them shipped here to a local person---- otherwise, it is off to Carson City for whatever we settle on!

But it looks like we need to check out the Toyo

AKgringo - 12-30-2015 at 09:15 PM

Diane, unless you are hauling heavy loads in your truck between road trips, I don't think you will need to limit yourself to load range E tires. If it was my truck, with that light weight camper you folks bought this year, I would go larger and softer than the stock tires. You will like them better on the back roads and detours, and who knows, maybe a beach!

There is no tire that is best in ALL conditions, and because I spend more time in ice and snow than most Nomads, I like Goodyear Wranglers. The rubber compound and siping seems to be slightly better on ice than the Firestone, Goodrich and other tires I have tried (haven't run Toyo's or Michelin)

There is not a great deal of difference, but I'll take all the edge I can get! They are usually competitive on price as well.


hombre66 - 12-30-2015 at 10:43 PM

I am also running the TOYOs on my T 100. They ARE fairly expensive. Wish I could give a performance report , other than I just ran them from Oregon/Bahia Asuncion/Loreto and back.. without flats or issues and approx 80 miles of back roads and sand. Smooth on the highway too.

Ken Cooke - 12-30-2015 at 11:21 PM

The JK crowd on WranglerForum.com are going crazy over the Toyo AT2 Extreme's. These are the Toyo AT2s in their largest size with deepest tread depth, etc. Sizes 35" and 37". I nearly destroyed a set of BFG All-Terrain KOs. Their KO2s are supposed to be an improved tread formulation. The new ProComp All-Terrain tires also look interesting. For a nearly flat-proof (heavy) tire, the Falken Wildpeak tires are good for an All-Terrain (and cheap). Good luck with your decision - and have fun in Baja!

Michelins at Costco

Aldervale - 12-30-2015 at 11:38 PM

Diane T

I have used the Michelin Lt series for years on my one ton camper van.

They are pricey but last a very long time....50-80 K miles easily...
I just wanted to mention that Costco sells them at very good prices.

Aldervale


woody with a view - 12-31-2015 at 06:45 AM

Michelin LTX A/2

I only got 25k out of my Toyo open country ATs before the tread was gone and I got 3 flats on 2 tires during one trip. Baja roads ate them up. Go with the Michelins.

edit: Discount Tire will match any price you can find and will have the tires shipped to your closest DT.

[Edited on 12-31-2015 by woody with a view]

bajatrailrider - 12-31-2015 at 08:39 AM

Do not go by Load range D or E.Look at Max load (on side wall Tire). Some D range tires have more load then E range.

mjs - 12-31-2015 at 09:04 AM

Went through two sets of the Nittos on a Ram 2500. Decent road manners and mileage. Overall no complaints but I think the KO2's I have now are better for my use.

Hook - 12-31-2015 at 11:01 AM

Have you checked around at a Big O tire store? There are more Big O outlets than Discount/America's Tire stores, especially in states like Idaho, Montana, the Dakotas, if you travel there. About the same number of outlets in conventional States like CA, AZ, NV, etc. I like having lots of outlets in case of a warranty issue. They ALL match prices, these days.

Not familiar with the LTX AT2, but it looks like they are not mud and snow rated. Arent you occasionally driving on snowy roads these days.

I am very happy with the Michelin LTX-MS2 tires, for my truck and camper. LRE, of course. I run the 265-75R-16s and they really wear well. I can get 50k on a 1 ton truck. I run em at 80 with the camper and 40-50 without it.

[Edited on 12-31-2015 by Hook]

DianaT - 12-31-2015 at 04:21 PM

Well, if we could, we would buy the LTX AT2 --- but in our size, they are back ordered at Michelin for 6 to 8 weeks and no one has any left in their warehouses --- Called a lot of places. And since we are hoping to head for Baja soon, we don't want to wait.

We ended up ordering one we didn't think we would --- the BFG - All Terrain KO2. Did a lot more research and it ended up coming in second and in the past, we had good luck with the old not as good BFG All Terrains.

Our local Toyota Dealer is ordering them for us. It will cost us $60.00 more out the door than Discount Tire quoted us. It would cost us more than that to go to Carson City and spend the night. We like Discount Tire and have had good luck with them in the past. We have also had good luck with Costco down south, but we are not crazy about the guys in the tire shop in Costco in Carson City.

But Discount Tire, Costco, Schwab, Big-O, etc. are all about 200 miles away, unless we believe the computer. It is a standard joke around these parts. Whenever we enter our zip code to find the closest store of any kind, it always comes up with places in Clovis and or Fresno which are only about 60+ miles away. But it is about those big mountains that separate us over which there is no highway in this area. So the drive to Fresno is over 300 miles.

Thanks for all the suggestions and information. :yes:






rts551 - 12-31-2015 at 08:45 PM

Diane. Have the KO2's and they are way better than the old BFG's....for your needs Michilans would have been great....but you need to check the print in the sand first.


Take lot of pictures with selfies please.

Hook - 1-1-2016 at 08:43 AM

They make a load range E BFG TA KO2?

I have the new KO2s on my Jeep. Load range C, I believe. They seem like good tires, but I dont test them much except sand on a beach and they are fine for that.

rts551 - 1-1-2016 at 08:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook  
They make a load range E BFG TA KO2?

I have the new KO2s on my Jeep. Load range C, I believe. They seem like good tires, but I dont test them much except sand on a beach and they are fine for that.


lots....depends on size.

David K - 1-1-2016 at 01:28 PM

Thank you, Don Jorge for the review on the LTX. I once considered them to get a high mileage truck tire, but the lack of any off road tread and high price kept me away. I imagine the load range E is why you would need to let more air out for floatation in sand? Otherwise, a less aggressive thread should be great in sand. Of all the tires I have had on my three Tacomas, I like the Hankook Dynapro ATM the most, but nearly as good would be the Toyo Open Country AT and Cooper Discoverer ATR. The slightly bigger than stock size, 265/75-16 (32") is what I run.


woody with a view - 1-1-2016 at 01:32 PM

i once pulled an F350 out of the sand that was stuck to the frame with my little ol Tundra. so there's that!:biggrin:

DianaT - 1-1-2016 at 02:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Jorge  

We have Michelin LTX AT2 load range E on our 2012 F350 which often has a full size Lance camper on it towing a 16ft tandem axle trailer. They are very good tires for what we do which is lots of highway, quite a bit of gravel and enough snow to chase us south.

They are great highway tires. They are good gravel tires but tend, as many tires do, to hold gravel in the tread for later dispersal. Mud flaps for the protection of yours and others vehicles is a good idea.

In the snow they work on highways and in towns but for winter driving in winter places they suck. They really load the treads up quickly with ice and snow making even 4 wheel drive, controlled traction driving a pain.

In the sand they plain suck. Even dropping the air pressure is not much help.
We run BFG TA tires on our desert and mountain trucks. They are much better for sand, snow and mud.

Please let us know how the new TA KOs work for you. Safe travels.


Thanks for this report. One of the reasons the LTX was first on our list, besides the reports of the high mileage is that our Tundra came with LTX tires ---- not the the really good ones, but like all new vehicles, they are not as good as the others --- weaker sidewalls and a 30,000 mile warranty.

Our truck is only a year old, but we have over 29,000 miles on it and the tires have performed quite well for us on the local dirt roads, lots of gravel roads and did very well on the very slipperly wet gumbo mud on the Dempster Highway, even in some deep mud where there was construction and it was pouring rain. Fortunately, it was a short distance or we might have had a real problem. :-)

While we have been on some snowy and icy roads locally and on our trips, we have not been in that situation that much and performance under those conditions is VERY important to us. With our tiny snow storm the other day, John said he did notice that the tread seemed to fill with the ice.

But the tread is good in one way, for sure. The warranty is almost up and there is still a lot of tread. Our mechanic said she would not change them out, except for where we want to travel and we always change out tires before absolutely necessary.

So, while we don't expect the the BFGs to last as long as the LTX, we will let you know how we like the new ones after we have them. Considering how much we are traveling right now, it shouldn't take long to find out the life of the tires. They seem to be the best choice right now for us. Maybe karma made the LXTs backordered. :biggrin:

Just as a side note, I smiled when you mentioned mudflaps. Our exhaust kept burning a large hole in the one mudflap. The dealer kept replacing it. We finally had to have a slight dispute with Toyota. Somehow in shipping, the exhaust pipe had been bent so while driving the mudflap hit the exhaust pipe. Nothing like the smell of burning rubber while driving especially when one is in the boondocks. They fixed it, finally.

Again, thanks for that report.

AKgringo - 1-1-2016 at 02:19 PM

Diana, How does climate change, and what the government does, or fails to do about it affect your choice?

There, that should bump this thread three or four more pages!

Hook - 1-3-2016 at 12:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Jorge  

In the sand they plain suck. Even dropping the air pressure is not much help.
We run BFG TA tires on our desert and mountain trucks. They are much better for sand, snow and mud.




How low did you go?

I can drive on my fairly narrow 265 75R 16s on soft beach sand, when I drop down to 12 psi. That could be dangerously low on a LRE tire, but I havent lost the bead yet.

I really cant go any wider on these stock rims. F350 4x4 SRW. No front or rear locking of any type.

4x4abc - 1-3-2016 at 12:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook  


I really cant go any wider on these stock rims. F350 4x4 SRW. No front or rear locking of any type.


how wide are your stock rims?

msteve1014 - 1-3-2016 at 01:07 PM

I have had 305/70 on my stock F350 wheels, not recommended. The 285/75 I have on now are fine but wider than recommended.

I think they are 7" wide.

Hook - 1-3-2016 at 01:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
Quote: Originally posted by Hook  


I really cant go any wider on these stock rims. F350 4x4 SRW. No front or rear locking of any type.


how wide are your stock rims?


They are only 16x7. I think I have read that I might be able to go with a 285 70R, but that's just from memory. I dont think I gained much in width, with that size.

Hook - 1-3-2016 at 01:38 PM

Jorge, do you read my weather column?

Yeah, it looks like a fairly wet week for CA from the northern Pacific. The jet stream is predicted to come in across Central CA and storms will dip farther south. There has been some snow in Nogales and Cananea. This should bring more.

We continue to get warm rains from the SW that are drawn to us by the positioning of the lows passing by up north OR the high pressure building behind it up north or just a crazy U-turn in the jet stream that goes N-S-N about as far south as San Quintin or Kino. But most of it is from the southern jet stream.

Not that we have gotten that much this fall/winter. But none of it has been a cold front from the Pac NW. We usually get one or two of those each year but they are usually 1/4" or less. Still early, though.

All of ours has been stuff drifting ENE from the ITCZ. Still lots of warm water down there. Most of this stuff has been passing over us, hammering the Sierra Madres and REALLY hammering Texas and the Deep South. When a winter cold front from the north finally met some of this ITCZ stuff over Texas/Louisiana/Mississippi before Christmas, it spawned a lot of those tornadoes (rather unusual for December in those parts). It was NOT really Gulf of Mexico warm air, also rather unusual. It was warm air from south of the Mexican Riveria that traveled a long ways to get to Texas. Go figure. The northern third of Texas, I swear, has the most Gawd-awful weather of any state. Dudn't matter what season it is; it's always horrid, it seems.

Here is a jet stream map that shows the southern jet stream is still raging across us and the Deep South.




We are supposed to be threatened by rain over the first four days of the coming week. More of this same stuff. Rainy days with highs in the 70s.

Then Friday, one of the colder fronts from NOB might make it here.

[Edited on 1-3-2016 by Hook]

[Edited on 1-3-2016 by Hook]

23S52N - 1-3-2016 at 03:26 PM

I have had Hankooks on my Dodge diesel 3500 for 65000kms and there is still plenty of tread left. I'm very impressed considering I was always a BFG guy.

Regards
Keith

4x4abc - 1-3-2016 at 03:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook  


They are only 16x7. I think I have read that I might be able to go with a 285 70R, but that's just from memory. I dont think I gained much in width, with that size.


Hook,

you can use 285/75 or 295/75 without any problems (wouldn't use the 70 profile)

I run 295/75 on 7" wide wheels

7" is less than what the tire manufacturers recommend - but Baja racers have used more narrow wheels for some time to protect the wheels from rocks.

Tomas Tierra - 1-5-2016 at 04:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  


We have eliminated the BF Goodrich All Terrains --- they are off the list.



Thanks and Happy New Year



DianaT,

Happy New Year to you to!!

Why were the BFG's eliminated in the beginning??
And what led you back to them in the end??

Just curious...

This should add pages to this thread as well lol

TT

DianaT - 1-5-2016 at 07:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Tomas Tierra  
Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  


We have eliminated the BF Goodrich All Terrains --- they are off the list.



Thanks and Happy New Year



DianaT,

Happy New Year to you to!!

Why were the BFG's eliminated in the beginning??
And what led you back to them in the end??

Just curious...

This should add pages to this thread as well lol

TT


Ah gees, these threads so often take on a life of their own. :biggrin:

Now, why we changed our minds, that is complicated. :-) I guess we read and investivated more as to what would be right for us.

I think we were looking for the perfect tire that does not exist.

Tires are installed tomorrow----

The only more complicated decision we have made this month is the decision as to which new mattress we want.. That is delivered on Monday, so we hope we have batted a double!. Living in the boondocks is great, but not without some downsides. :biggrin:





[Edited on 1-6-2016 by DianaT]

baron - 1-6-2016 at 02:28 PM

New mattress???

Hook - 1-6-2016 at 02:45 PM

And you didn't ask us????

DianaT - 1-6-2016 at 03:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook  
And you didn't ask us????


If it had been for the camper, I probably would have asked. :tumble::biggrin::dudette: