BajaNomad

I See Crazy People

motoged - 1-1-2016 at 12:37 PM

Who in their right mind would do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk5sl3bDjm4&feature=youtu.be

David K - 1-1-2016 at 01:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
Who in their right mind would do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk5sl3bDjm4&feature=youtu.be


Cameron Steele (who reads Baja Nomad) and so many riders he has to say no to many once the limit is reached.

ehall - 1-1-2016 at 01:36 PM

Would be a blast but with only 1/4 of the riders. 39 is alot. I led a jeep trip with 43 jeeps for 1 day and it was a mess.

David K - 1-1-2016 at 02:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ehall  
Would be a blast but with only 1/4 of the riders. 39 is alot. I led a jeep trip with 43 jeeps for 1 day and it was a mess.


Agree...
Cameron seems to have mastered leading big groups as I witnessed as his guest for three days of the Trail of Missions tour in 2014. Things do happen (is this where I mention the Ford Raptor's weak spindles or BFG flats?) and the more people the more events.

It all works out in Baja and we simply drop some planned stops. Because of the extra time it took and the filming of a commercial up on Mesa San Carlos, we didn't have time to tour Mission San Fernando that day. It just takes longer to get people moving after a planned stop.

Ken Cooke does pretty well with his Pole Line Road tours... once we are out of Mexicali (lol) and on dirt roads, that is! Nobody had a flat or got stuck... just the two Fords that were there broke down. Thanks to good people who off road, all ended well. John M provided great direction help with his GPS in that ejido near Guadalupe Canyon and then chose to escort the first Ford with mechanical issues back to civilization rather than enjoy the Pole Line Road on Day 2. Bad roads bring good people!

motoged - 1-1-2016 at 02:01 PM

Yeah...about 6-10 guys is plenty :light:

Nice to see some of the places I've been....and other trails yet to be enjoyed...some Nomads never get to see some parts of Baja...

Gulliver - 1-1-2016 at 03:31 PM

I get edgy and feel fenced in beyond two!

Ateo - 1-1-2016 at 05:30 PM

I thoroughly enjoyed watching this while I lay lazily in bed. Thanks for posting.

Gulliver - 1-1-2016 at 07:52 PM

I just bothered to watch some of this silliness. The sponsor and the music tell it all. Jacked up on caffeine, retarded rock music and testosterone. And you know what? They didn't see a damned thing.

I see these "dudes" coming through my area all of the time. As far as I can see they go home with maybe a helmet video and some bragging rights. "How many miles did we do today?"

Did they meet any Mexicans besides Pemex workers? Did they see a sunrise on the Sierra Gigante? I think not.

As to that opening rant about, "No one will rescue you!", well who the hell was flying the helicopter?

Stupid cubed.

mtgoat666 - 1-1-2016 at 08:21 PM

Middle aged paunchy conservative white guys wearing clothes emblazoned with energy drink logos, riding noisy dirt bikes, with smelly cigar beer breath,... Crickey! The last people I would want to travel with would be those knuckle draggers!
That crowd wouldn't know the difference between remote Baja and doing laps on a oval dirt track in santee!
How can you enjoy the desert solitude with that infernal racket of dirt bikes, helicopter and a chase truck blaring trailer trash metal rock?

Just the fact that they drink that Monster energy drink swill tells you all you need to know about that crowd!

mtgoat666 - 1-1-2016 at 08:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Gulliver  


As to that opening rant about, "No one will rescue you!", well who the hell was flying the helicopter?
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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Helicopter and caterer,... Sounds like living on the edge!

Gulliver - 1-1-2016 at 08:31 PM

Dead on.

I got nothing against doing laps in Santee as long as it's on a Sunday afternoon and doesn't screw up anyone else's afternoon. My whole life was AMA and international racing of all sorts from 65 to 75. It's just that there is a whole lot more to Baja than rough roads.

These roads go places. Beautiful places. Maybe a little bit wild places though it's been a while since I've stopped to take a break and not heard a goat.

I can ride fast when I feel like it. It would be folly to underestimate a rider you meet because he or she rides a bike with a milk crate on the back (grin). But I do stop and listen to the ravens and the water trickling in the river bottoms. I suspect they couldn't hear anything at the end of a day.

Cliffy - 1-1-2016 at 08:35 PM

There is a motorhome group that travels around stateside that has a full maintenance shop following and a dedicated washer/waxer group behind that. Can't get those million dollar MHs dirty now can we?
Really roughing it

Gulliver - 1-1-2016 at 08:40 PM

I had no idea. And I thought I was a wuss for taking along a tent to keep the creepy crawlies out. I feel so adventurous!

motoged - 1-1-2016 at 08:57 PM

My comment about "Crazy People" was meant in jest guys....so settle down and don't get your Depends in a knot ...:coolup:

Those of us who ride can appreciate the terrain and some of the pleasures as well as challenges to be experienced.

We are all tough guys, eh....:biggrin:

I am not into the advertising helicopter catered sag wagon trip either...but I just like watching guys ride the dez...

Goat....what part of your body drags when you stumble along?

Not all off-roaders are knuckle draggers.

Gulliver - 1-1-2016 at 09:06 PM

I'm not a knuckle dragger either but I was not even slightly impressed with the aspect of Baja riding represented very well by that video.

What experience would they have been deprived of had they ridden at half the speed? And covered half of the territory. They saw nothing so might as well have skipped half of it in order to see what they did ride.

The alternative explanation leads to the conclusion that it didn't matter where the road was as long as they beat up their machinery and their bodies. Why come down here? A rock is a rock.

They should go ride MX and find out how slow old men really are (more grins).

healthdetective - 1-2-2016 at 09:07 AM

Ged,

Thanks for the tip off to that video. I am getting ready to head down to Baja Sur to spend the winter in a couple of weeks. This is the first time I will bringing my little dual sport. Even though it's not the way I like to do it, it was just the medicine I needed to uplift the spirits in these below zero mornings. Also enjoyed the chit out of your ride report on ADV Rider, you are a talented writer .:biggrin:

Anthony

David K - 1-2-2016 at 10:21 AM

For the four-wheeled travelers, Cameron has the Trail of Missions tour in June so the wives and kids can enjoy Baja's historic culture and off road driving, too.
I was invited to be a part of the first one in 2014 and helped with maps and ideas for the 2015 trip.

I just learned the 2015 Trail of Missions TV special is now on YouTube:


KurtG - 1-2-2016 at 10:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
My comment about "Crazy People" was meant in jest guys....so settle down and don't get your Depends in a knot ...:coolup:

Those of us who ride can appreciate the terrain and some of the pleasures as well as challenges to be experienced.

We are all tough guys, eh....:biggrin:

I am not into the advertising helicopter catered sag wagon trip either...but I just like watching guys ride the dez...

Goat....what part of your body drags when you stumble along?

Not all off-roaders are knuckle draggers.


Just a different attitude toward riding. Most of the dirt riders as shown in the video are another breed from those of us who like to ride remote areas in either small groups or as in my case mostly solo. Speed is secondary since I spend so much time gawking. I am large group averse in any activity and consider two other riders to be the max although in my local area I have a group of buddies who ride together but we know each other and our riding styles so well that it always works well. I am usually the slowest but they tolerate me since I'm the guy who always carries spare tubes, patches, tire irons and a little compressor. That can make me real popular when there is a flat out in the boonies. The other thing that surprises me about the serious off-road riders is that most of them ride nothing else. I've been riding for well over 50 years on every kind of motorcycle there is and it is a rare day that I am not on a bike, weather permitting and the weather here is generally good.

There are two groups who sort of sneer at my old KLR, first the dirt riders to whom I point out that I am riding with no support group and that I ride 1000 miles just to get to Mulege. The other group are the guys on the giant dual sports like the BMW GS (wonderful bikes btw) and with them I offer to guide them down a remote road with a sand wash or two. A few of them are good enough to do it but most would rather polish their bikes and have another beer while talking about "doing Baja."

I've met some great and interesting riders over the years in Baja: old time Harley riders who have owned the same bike for 30 years and maintain it themselves, a guy on an old xt250 heavily loaded who had made it all the way from Chicago, and other riders from all over the world. I just don't have much in common with the group who travel with a support truck and mechanic.

Rant over, I'm going for a ride!

[Edited on 1-3-2016 by KurtG]

Sweetwater - 1-2-2016 at 10:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
Who in their right mind would do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk5sl3bDjm4&feature=youtu.be


:lol::light:


Gulliver - 1-2-2016 at 10:54 AM

Unwatchable. I got as far as "Stoked up" and "energized" and turned it off.

Also, as soon as I hear the words, "Hey man!", I quietly go away. Next probably comes, "Far out!". I can't wait around for, "Dude!.

I have a rating system for any video whether it be a 'documentary' or a film. "The quality and interest is inversely proportional to the number of helicopters.

David K - 1-2-2016 at 02:32 PM

Rip to Cabo is indeed a young man's X-treme run and not for most Baja travelers. Trail of Missions is slower paced, for families. Do know in both tours, Cameron donates tens of thousands of dollars to Baja orphanages. That's one way he gives back for all the joy Baja has given him and his guests.

bajatrailrider - 1-20-2016 at 07:56 PM

The biggest problem with this group.No leadership,they have the worst safety record of any tour group.Off road dirt bike is one of the most demanding sports in the world.Also the most dangerous.Only you can protect yourself while riding.Accidents can happen,but they are helped along.When you have large,group with no one at the helm.

rts551 - 1-21-2016 at 07:19 AM

What do they do with the old oil after the oil changes in the desert?

David K - 1-21-2016 at 07:40 AM

I wonder if they use the same ecological safeguards that all the ranchers and village mechanics have the past nearly one hundred years since automobiles, trucks, and tractors have been down there?

bajatrailrider - 1-21-2016 at 08:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
What do they do with the old oil after the oil changes in the desert?
That is easy put it in 5 gal container.Bring it back to Pep Boys for free disposal.What Kind of silly question is that.:?:

rts551 - 1-21-2016 at 08:58 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
What do they do with the old oil after the oil changes in the desert?
That is easy put it in 5 gal container.Bring it back to Pep Boys for free disposal.What Kind of silly question is that.:?:



Silly? Mr. Knowitall. . In the video you see the oil being changed into a pan...nothing else. Did the helicopter bring it back to PepBoys? Maybe they had 10 5 gallon cans for all the bikes.

Gulliver - 1-21-2016 at 09:02 AM

You need an oil change for ride of this length? What wimpy bikes! Next they'll need showers and toilet paper for the riders.

Baja Bucko - 1-21-2016 at 09:17 AM

You know, if these guys were on mules...there would be no worry about oil changes......:lol:

and the view is so much better....

Gulliver - 1-21-2016 at 09:21 AM

Was talking with a couple of mule riders up near Eastanislau bringing in firewood with three pack mules as well as the two riding animals. One of them patted his mount and said, "Reliable. Like a Toyota!"

David K - 1-21-2016 at 09:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Gulliver  
Was talking with a couple of mule riders up near Eastanislau bringing in firewood with three pack mules as well as the two riding animals. One of them patted his mount and said, "Reliable. Like a Toyota!"

:light::cool:

ILikeMex - 1-21-2016 at 11:30 AM

Some pretty harsh comments against people enjoying Baja. Doesn't seem like the Baja way, just because they are enjoying it differently than you like to do it.

Gulliver - 1-21-2016 at 01:35 PM

It's hard for me to see that they are enjoying Baja, per se. What are they doing that is different from snorting around in the desert nearer home?

I see a lot of reports that include making it from one end of Baja to the other in just a few days or even a week or two. It is impossible to see anything at that speed.

Again and again I will be at the bike shop here in Mulege and see one dual sport or adventure bike after another zooming past so rapidly that they don't notice the bikes and the shop. Baja is more than Rt.1. I am sad that they are spending all that time and money for such a bland experience.

Slow down. Meet the rancheros. Listen to the desert. Maybe do a smaller part each year. Are you dying and this is in your bucket list? Chose quality over quantity.

David K - 1-21-2016 at 03:24 PM

Baja is many things to many people...

Many got their introduction to Baja BECAUSE of the races like the Baja 1000, including the host of this forum!

Later, these racers come back to Baja, as they fell in love with her just to discover her mysteries they couldn't appreciate when racing.

These racers and former racers (and race supporters and spectators) keep coming back to Baja and they spend LOTS of money in Baja, which helps the PEOPLE of Baja.

There are too many race-related Baja Nomads here to list, but I see several every week here sharing their trips, stories or assistance with others.

It is possible to enjoy hearing about racing or fishing or surfing or muleback riding and not do any of them and yet have your own reasons for going to Baja, yes?

Baja is a magic peninsula because it offers so much to so many.

Gulliver - 1-21-2016 at 04:56 PM

I have friends for whom the racing experience is paramount. B.F. Goodrich Bill is a ham friend and most of his Baja interest is around the racing.

That said, when a race comes down here it is mostly a negative experience for the Mexicans and the non-racers. After a race goes through that road is usually a write off. Silt two feet deep and whoops in which you can loose your rig.

The racing crowd seems to be either driving through here at high speeds or drinking. Grow Up! I acted that way when I was in high school but I got over it. The "Far out man!" and "Really cool!" stuff went out of style with grownups thirty+ years ago along with mullets and polyester shirts. I'm having to listen to a bunch of aging drunks across the water from me at the sports bar right now. Whoever invented Karaoke should be drowned.

Yeah, there are many different ways to enjoy Baja but most of them have a much smaller footprint. As to bringing money to Baja, A couple of retirees dragging a fifth wheel for a few weeks spend as much as a racer and hardly ever go through Mulege going 80 at three in the morning.

If I sound a bit grumpy today, it's a valid observation. I didn't come here to lay my trip on anyone else. I'm getting their trip pushed in my face.

I actually had a ranchero thank me for closing his gate two days ago. The last couple of groups to Mission Guadalupe left it open and his cattle ended up in the fenced area. He knows better and they didn't.

We can co-exist if the high speed crowd would grow up a bit and be better visitors.

David K - 1-21-2016 at 05:24 PM

The 1000 race first ran as an organized event in 1967... Some speed runs ran even before then to see how quickly one could get fro Tijuana to La Paz when only 200 miles were pavement.

With the new highway (end of 1973), different routes from north to south were utilized to maintain a mostly dirt route. If pit teams and chase crews using the highway exceed a safe speed, then it would seem the windfall from writing tickets could go a long way to help the local economy... and slow the people down!? Right?

If you moved to Mulegé after 1972, then you came with Baja races already part of the norm and a paved highway through your town. To me, that's kind of like buying a home below to an airport's flight path then complaining about the noise. No excuse for bad behavior by race people, but they may be young and have to learn still?

I am sure a compromise can be developed. The 1000 races don't go down there every year and the race is actually on the Pacific side of the sierra from you. Say hi to Wild Bill (on the radio) for me, he brought me my first ballena of Pacifico to my home back about 17 years ago when we met.

bajatrailrider - 1-21-2016 at 06:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
What do they do with the old oil after the oil changes in the desert?
That is easy put it in 5 gal container.Bring it back to Pep Boys for free disposal.What Kind of silly question is that.:?:



Silly? Mr. Knowitall. . In the video you see the oil being changed into a pan...nothing else. Did the helicopter bring it back to PepBoys? Maybe they had 10 5 gallon cans for all the bikes.
Silly boy,They bring it back.Here is where all my used oil goes.The poor Mexicans,around here.Drive trucks on there last leg.I give them all used motor oil.They re use it in there junks.Do you need a video on that to Num Nuts.

rts551 - 1-21-2016 at 06:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
What do they do with the old oil after the oil changes in the desert?
That is easy put it in 5 gal container.Bring it back to Pep Boys for free disposal.What Kind of silly question is that.:?:



Silly? Mr. Knowitall. . In the video you see the oil being changed into a pan...nothing else. Did the helicopter bring it back to PepBoys? Maybe they had 10 5 gallon cans for all the bikes.
Silly boy,They bring it back.Here is where all my used oil goes.The poor Mexicans,around here.Drive trucks on there last leg.I give them all used motor oil.They re use it in there junks.Do you need a video on that to Num Nuts.


Ahhh. Low intelligence knows no boundary.


[Edited on 1-22-2016 by rts551]

rts551 - 1-21-2016 at 06:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
The 1000 race first ran as an organized event in 1967... Some speed runs ran even before then to see how quickly one could get fro Tijuana to La Paz when only 200 miles were pavement.

With the new highway (end of 1973), different routes from north to south were utilized to maintain a mostly dirt route. If pit teams and chase crews using the highway exceed a safe speed, then it would seem the windfall from writing tickets could go a long way to help the local economy... and slow the people down!? Right?

If you moved to Mulegé after 1972, then you came with Baja races already part of the norm and a paved highway through your town. To me, that's kind of like buying a home below to an airport's flight path then complaining about the noise. No excuse for bad behavior by race people, but they may be young and have to learn still?

I am sure a compromise can be developed. The 1000 races don't go down there every year and the race is actually on the Pacific side of the sierra from you. Say hi to Wild Bill (on the radio) for me, he brought me my first ballena of Pacifico to my home back about 17 years ago when we met.


David.....Tickets...slow the people down? come on. we both have been there.

David K - 1-21-2016 at 06:45 PM

Yes, cops on the highway slows down everyone... works 100% of the time... writing tickets has an even longer lasting effect!

Are things different in your bizarro world?

motoged - 1-21-2016 at 06:47 PM

I am not a racer.....was a competitive speedskater when I was a kid in Manitoba and realized back then that finishing in the top three was cool, but not the end of the world when I didn't (usually 2nd or 3rd most often....)

So my initial posting was intended to show some riding in Baja and some of the geography, familiar and new. I used the "See Crazy People" , not as a jab at the Rip To Tip mentality (which I am not a fan of how that type of show goes, but as a tongue-in-cheek reference to "going for it" in a manner which some people think is crazy....and as the forum has indicated, some others have strong feelings about it all.

I love riding in Baja....just because I love being in Baja and getting "out and away"....and a moto is my best way to do it.

My second choice would be coastal travel and camping by boat....my first time in Baja was 1989 was two weeks kayaking Isla Espiritu Santu and three weeks camping by hitchhiking around south cape....

As others have said, I too prefer riding with no more than several others who are willing to stop, take pics, visit and smell the cactus.

There are yahoos in any sector of life....they are not confined to the racer community.....drunks bragging about their fish catch of the day can be just as offensive and annoying....or whatever activity of interest.

There is no "Right" way to do this....we all have our preferences and prejudices....

rts551 - 1-21-2016 at 06:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Yes, cops on the highway slows down everyone... works 100% of the time... writing tickets has an even longer lasting effect!

Are things different in your bizarro world?


My bizarro world? Have yet to see chase vehicles slow down yet. Help me out here. You are claiming they go the speed limit?


[Edited on 1-22-2016 by rts551]

bajatrailrider - 1-21-2016 at 07:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
What do they do with the old oil after the oil changes in the desert?
That is easy put it in 5 gal container.Bring it back to Pep Boys for free disposal.What Kind of silly question is that.:?:



Silly? Mr. Knowitall. . In the video you see the oil being changed into a pan...nothing else. Did the helicopter bring it back to PepBoys? Maybe they had 10 5 gallon cans for all the bikes.
Silly boy,They bring it back.Here is where all my used oil goes.The poor Mexicans,around here.Drive trucks on there last leg.I give them all used motor oil.They re use it in there junks.Do you need a video on that to Num Nuts.


Ahhh. Low intelligence knows no boundary. Yes and you are the Village Idiot of Baja Nomad,Your so clueless.We are happy you show it every time you post.So now your the new Oil Police.


[Edited on 1-22-2016 by rts551]