How does one get water and electric from in front of lot turned on for an empty lot. This is for the future building of a home and water and electric
source for a temporary trailer.Udo - 1-4-2016 at 07:15 PM
Electric source: Contact your nearest CFE office. Bring your permanete residente card, or other form of Mexican ID. A US ID will not get you anything.
Water: contact your nearest SAPA office. You may have to buy a water tank (PILA) to get your water delivered, and then attach a pump to it
They are located in your nearest large municipality. bledito - 1-4-2016 at 08:49 PM
This is in the Los Barilles, Spa Buena vista, area. This answer brings more Questions. Can I use the empty lot as an address to obtain Permenete
residancy Using the lot address on the fidocomiso along with proof of income to qualify for permenete residancy.Would temporary residency qualify to
get the electricity and water installed and again can the lot address be used. would a cistern be sufficient as well for the water?BajaUtah - 1-4-2016 at 10:13 PM
On my lot near La Ribera I started with just an FMM and got a local bank account(Banamex) although originally I was told I could not with the FMM.
With the bank account I got OMSAPAS to sell and install my meter. I already had a monument installed. I tried to get CFE to get an account set up but
was told I needed at least an RT so I had to put it in a local friends name. It still is in his name a year later.
I now have my RT so I will be putting the CFE in my name when my freind an I can hit the CFE office in San Jose together.bledito - 1-5-2016 at 07:42 AM
monuments? what is required? two separate pillars for each utility one for water one for electric? who would I get to install these. is my presence
required when they are installed or when the utilities are hooked up?BajaUtah - 1-5-2016 at 10:38 AM
for the Monument drive drive around your hood and see whats been done. I've seen everything from the Taj Mahal (mine, horrible overkill, a neighbor
asked if he could rent a room in it) to bungee cords on cactus. I don't know if there are requirements but they don't seem to require much.
I have my water meter in a little cubby below my electrical meter. I have also seen water meters just sitting up relying on the pipes to hold it up.
Seems anything goes.
You or your contractor are going to install them (it). You or the contractor will have to run conduit and wire or water pipe to the nearest connection
point. In my case I have to dig up to the middle of the street for my water and across the street for my power. Do not expect CFE or OMSAPAS to do
anything beyond stick a meter on the end of a pipe.
As with anything in Mexico you or your contractor need to be there when they are installed so the techs do the work to your satisfaction and not
theirs. bledito - 1-5-2016 at 02:31 PM
So I take it my first step in this is to try for my perm or temp residency. Hope I can qualify. I'll search for how to do that here ,as I believe I
have seen it discussed. Then speak with and take my contractor to the sapa and cfe to get set up for a install. Then the contractor can be the point
of contact to actually install after he gets the monument set up. I like the idea of combining them in one monument perhaps with a small gate on the
front access to prevent damage or tamperingUdo - 1-5-2016 at 05:15 PM
Bledito:
It is not an easy process for either residency status'.
First:
You have to make an appointment with your nearest US Mexican Consular office regarding the residency wishes.
2nd.
Before your visit to the Consular office you will need to get a couple of passport sized photos. While you are at it, have them make several
"infantile-sized" photos.
3rd.
At the Consular appointment, you must show financial solvency with more than $50,000 USD for assets.
4th.
Bring a bank statement showing a steady income of at least $2,000USD per month.
4-A After your paperwork is approved by the Mexican consulate office, they will issue a temporary FMM with you will get glued to your passport. This
you will have to show at the port of entry in order to get the CANJE FMM.
5th.
You must cross the US/Mexico border and obtain an FMM that has the word "CANJE" checked on it. This will not cost anything. This will be exchanged for
your paperwork at the Mexican immigration office.
NOTE: you have only 30 days to do the CANJE FMM to when you cross the US?Mexico border. Then you have only 30 days to do the paperwork and present the
CANJE to your Mexican immigration office
Present a letter (in Spanish) to your nearest Mexican immigration office of your intentions to become a permanent resident in Mexico.
6th.
Fill out your immigration/residency card application at the immigration office and pay the appropriate fees. A few years ago it was about $13,000,000
Pesos (I don't remember exactly) at the nearest bank. Get a receipt and run back to the immigration office.
Then sign all your paperwork.
Wait about three months and your cards will be mailed to the immigration office, where in turn you will get another e-mail to come and pick them up
and sign them.
Remember, the 30 day rule for any of the steps, or you'll start all over again.
on edit...you might as well petition for the permanent card, or you'll have to do this all over again from temporary cards.
[Edited on 1-6-2016 by Udo]
[Edited on 1-6-2016 by Udo]DENNIS - 1-5-2016 at 05:27 PM
Times have changed. I don't think CFE will hook you up without a structure of some type, even a travel trailer, on the property.
Something to look into.Udo - 1-5-2016 at 05:37 PM
You are right, DENNIS.
In our place at Lomas Del Mar, CFE HAD to come by to see what was there before they would connect a power pole. An then it took another 6 weeks before
the pole was in.DENNIS - 1-5-2016 at 06:00 PM
I didn't realize CFE put in the pole, Udo....just the meter.bledito - 1-5-2016 at 06:59 PM
Seems like a whole lot of fun times ahead trying to get this done. Will qualifying assets of a IRA in excess of 50,000 be allowed? The income from
this IRA presently being only 20,000 annually before taxes would not qualify. So can rental income be used? Can a bank statement showing deposits
traceable from the IRA of 1750.00 monthly and rental income of 800.00 monthly, a lease to this effect, and the deposits of rental income to a bank
account?. This would equal 2550.00 monthly income shown entering that bank account monthly, that should qualify. Would my wife also have to complete
the same process or is she given perm residency because we are married?
Know anyone with a beat to crap trailer they want to be rid of that can qualify as a structure for CFE. any requirements to putting it on the lot?
Then!!! if issued the FMM I then have 30 days to cross border getting the Canje FMM by doing so to submit to immigration office in La Paz, present
Canje FMM and letter to immigration office receive and complete paperwork, pay fee, and submit receipt with completed paperwork to immigration = one
trip return to states. wait for email 3 months, then cross border and go to immigration sign and pick up perm resident card. = 2nd trips. so two
border crossing trips. Does the airport port of entry issue this Canje FMM? IF this all works it would take about 4 months minimum. Also adult
children are they also given PR as well or do they have to qualify on their own? Thanks for the help I owe some cold ones to the guys here when his
is all done.windgrrl - 1-5-2016 at 07:25 PM
While doing all of this yourself would be a worthy and possibly economical accomplishment, would you consider hiring local expertise?
To answer your questions in order, bledito, and I can only qualify this from MY interview, and not from any inside knowledge of Mexican Consular
regulations:
Will qualifying assets of an IRA (and as in our case, both my wife's and my IRAs) will qualify as your assets.
Rental income can be used...provided that your bank statements show that steady income for at least the previous year.
Yes, your wife will also have to file for the same paperwork, but not the same assets and income qualifications since you are married. Both must show
up for the Consular interview and bring a copy of the marriage certificate.
That is a long question, bledito, but, yes, you have 30 days from the completed paperwork at the Consular office until you get the CANJE at the
border. But once you get your CANJE FMM at the border port of entry, you have an additional 30 days to start and finish your paperwork at the Mexican
immigration office.
One thing I failed to mention as it happened to me: do not mention to the Mexican immigration office that you will be leaving the country temporarily
(after acceptance of your paperwork, it is illegal to leave Mexico for ANY reason since you are applying for permanent residency). You are now,
legally a (de-facto) resident of Mexico. The process to legally leave is even more complicated than the residency requirements.
If you do leave Mexico, DO NOT get another FMM at the border, upon re-entry, or the Mexican immigration will throw the book at you.
Minors qualify to be on your family PR status. Adult children will have to qualify on their own, regardless of your income. Perhaps if you can show
your tax return to the Consular office and prove that the children are dependents, things can be waived. But it will be a crapshoot if you try this at
the La Paz immigration office.
The airports do not issue CANJEs since you are considered a tourist, until you show your PR cards.
Again...do not make an issue of two border crossing, ask about a plane trip, or try to play a peeed off American card. This will just complicate your
paperwork at the immigration office. Just be patient and bite your lips.
As windgrrl expressed, hiring a local expert or attorney would help, but if you know Spanish, both in Mexico and the Consular office, will be a major
plus. English is not appreciated since you will be "permanently" living in Mexico and English may no longer be necessary. Just remember...the Mexican
immigration offices DO NOT speak English.
I hope all this helps.
[Edited on 1-6-2016 by Udo]BajaUtah - 1-5-2016 at 10:26 PM
Udo, You can leave the country after you have submitted papers and before approval. We have twice. You need to get the IMM office to issue an exit
letter. It is treated like an FMM when leaving the country. It gets stamped and you then present the stamped copy when you re-enter the country. It
takes 10 days and cost us $50us each. That 10 days are working days so if you do it over the Christmas holidays it could be a month. That exit letter
and the hassles around getting it were the only (mostly) hassles we had getting our RTs.
Dennis, CFE installed our meter in early 2014 with only a monument in place. Nothing other than a bare lot was there.
[Edited on 1-6-2016 by BajaUtah]bledito - 1-5-2016 at 10:48 PM
Since my plans are to leave Mexico for 5-6 months a year I would then need to have resident temporary vs the resident permanent. Would that allow for
the extended time out of Mexico? RnR - 1-6-2016 at 07:44 AM
Since my plans are to leave Mexico for 5-6 months a year I would then need to have resident temporary vs the resident permanent. Would that allow for
the extended time out of Mexico?
The distinctions between "temporary" and "permanent" resident status with INM are becoming less and less.
Both statuses allow you to come and go as you please AFTER the processing period is complete and you receive your card.
"Permanent" is just that - permanent. You do not have to go back to immigration again nor pay any more renewal fees.
"Temporary" will expire after one to four years depending on how many years you elect to purchase at the time of your initial application.
Now, the kicker. If you want to leave Mexico during your application processing period, which can range from one to three months, you have to apply
for and obtain a "Permission to Leave" authorization from INM. This in and of itself is not a big hassle. However, the maximum amount of time
authorized in the Permission to Leave letter to be out of the country is only sixty days.
If this is your first time dealing with Mexican immigration services, I would recommend using a local facilitator services company to assist you.
Buena suerte! Udo - 1-6-2016 at 09:06 AM
RnR and BajaUtah.
As in all Mexican government offices...it all depends on which immigration offices one is dealing with.
Yes, I was told the same thing as you did about exiting the country, but getting the paperwork accomplished at the office one is confronted with is
another natter.
bledito's wanting to leave 5-6 months at a time puts a crimp in the leaving permit process, since it appears that one is only permitted to leave for
two months at a time per year, thereby holding you prisoner for the other 10 months.
Better off getting the RP cards. No renewals, no extra fees, no extra requalifying for the RP vs. the RT.BajaUtah - 1-6-2016 at 10:00 AM
Udo:
I agree it's all about who you deal with. We qualified for RP out of the gate but the consulate in Salt Lake City didn't even give us a chance. It was
RT or nada. We choose RT. 2 more years as an RT and we go RP. The expediter we are working with (Paperworks in Cabo) said this was the way it was done
so again we followed the tide vs fighting it.
Neighbors in La Ribera have been trying for years to get their RP through INM in La Paz and have had nothing but problems with lost papers, forgotten
filings, hands out for more money and on and on. Compared the their issues our experience has been a piece of pie.Udo - 1-6-2016 at 10:21 AM
Hola, Andy!
In our instance, we did not use an expediter to do the work for us. I was confident enough in my Spanish to be able to do everything myself.
Our crimp was that we had to drive to the Otay border crossing over Christmas week 5 years ago to obtain the CANJE at the border...a 16 hour drive
both ways.
After a couple of bribes (I put it this way to them...if you help us, we will in turn help you) to the cops and military people, they escorted us to
the border immigration office for our CANJEs.
Except the waiting for the RP cards to arrive, and the drive to TJ, we got the paperwork done in three days.
Yes, my Spanish helped. I am sure that if I tried to do this in English I would have encountered many problems. I can imagine what the Consular office
and immigration office would have thought of us trying to get the cards and not know any Spanish!
BTW, when dealing with the consular people in Santa Ana, California, we had to show some proof of owning or renting the property we were planning to
live in.alacran - 1-7-2016 at 06:39 PM
After reading all of the above posts, I am glad my Spanish is better than my English.durrelllrobert - 1-8-2016 at 10:09 AM
I didn't realize CFE put in the pole, Udo....just the meter.
I'm sure he's talking about the wooden power pole that in turn will be connected to the meter pole/ wheatherhead that he must provide.durrelllrobert - 1-8-2016 at 10:14 AM
Are you in the Ensenada municipality? I'm sure DENNIS is right abot CFE requirements here.
Nope. La Ribera. Our CFE office is in San Jose del CaboAlm - 1-10-2016 at 12:54 PM
I thought that after all the changes in the past few years it's become 25K in savings - not 50K, to qualify for temporary residence.
Also, this is instead of 2K monthly income - not in addition to. Udo - 1-10-2016 at 04:48 PM
This requirement may have changed over the last couple of years, but 4 years ago, the $2,000USD income was in addition to the $50,000USD in assets.
I thought that after all the changes in the past few years it's become 25K in savings - not 50K, to qualify for temporary residence.
Also, this is instead of 2K monthly income - not in addition to.
DENNIS - 1-10-2016 at 05:50 PM
I never had to declare any amount in savings. What a ridiculous idea.Alm - 1-11-2016 at 11:36 AM
I never had to declare any amount in savings. What a ridiculous idea.
Confirms that it's either proof of savings, or income.
Just a guess - maybe it's different for pensioners, since they often don't have income high enough but have savings and don't have to work or support
families. So the INM made it easier for them. joyvoice - 8-14-2016 at 02:50 PM
Hola,
I am new here, speak very little Spanish, and am considering putting money down for renting in Punta Banda. Is it wise to do that without the
temporary residency paperwork in motion? I was planning to go to the San Bernardino Mexican Consolate this week to get things rolling before I head
down there on the 28th of August 2016.
Anyone have any links to the current status of the financial requirements?
Other than that, I just want to thank you all in advance. This forum seems very helpful.
Gracias,
JoyUdo - 8-14-2016 at 03:04 PM
Welcome to Nomads, Joy.
The latest up-to -date information you will receive will be from the Mexican consulate you visit.
Just as officials in Mexico interpret regulations as they see them, your consulate will also. Therefore, regardless what links we provide, if the
consulate don't see them that way, it is no sense in arguing with them.
Essentially, you need to provide copies of your income, showing at least $2,000 USD income per month, and savings account copies showing $50,000 USD
in savings...401K OK. Then you will need to provide several copies of passport-sized photos.
Make an appointment for the interview.
Then, after you have your new card embedded to your passport, you'll start all over again with the Mexican immigration Ensenada. A three month
process.DENNIS - 8-14-2016 at 03:49 PM
Hate to admit this after all the work I put into being legal here, but Punta Banda is awash with residents from NOB who have nothing more [many much
less] than a FMM.... a tourist card. Evidently that is sufficient to appease Mex Inmigracion, so waddo I know.
A time or two in the past, they knocked on a few doors to flex their muscles, and when they came across some who hadn't complied, they [the gov]
merely had them get the FMM and everybody was happy happy happy.
If you rent, that will make you A-OK in guvmint eyes here.chuckie - 8-14-2016 at 06:20 PM
Well, if you come back into the US at least once every 6 months, why bother with all that expense and paperwork? Just get a FMM whenever you need
to...gnukid - 8-14-2016 at 09:29 PM
Bledito, in your region there exists Pay Dennis who helps people (foreigners) manage utilities and payments, perhaps they can make it happen for you.
Pagos y Asesorķas - LB- DENNIS 624-141-0261 - www.paydennis.com dennis@paydennis.comshari - 8-16-2016 at 02:45 PM
I wonder if CFE requirements are different in the north and south. We have put power to vacant lots before with no problem...but you have to put in
the pole on the property and the meter and they just hook it up.
