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News report on Tides affecting Baja communities

rts551 - 2-14-2016 at 07:21 AM

http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/marejadas-inundan-asentamientos-pe...


quotes from article translated.....


The Sudcaliforniano reports that the tides are such that the latest supplement salitral flooded and flooded the stores on the beach and a small tourist development built on stilts in the sand, where the water went under the cabins and restaurant; Additional pangas were washed away up to one kilometer; Therefore, the cooperatives are exploring the possibility of building a board with own resources.

In the southern part of Asuncion Bay, also in the municipality of Mulege, the tidal force threatens an entire colony, and in the last two hurricane seasons seawater came to the houses, why the neighbors have asked the authorities to build a protective wall.

Climate change would impact not only in the collapse of the volumes of catching species such as lobster, abalone, conch and scale of which depends on the economy of thousands of families in the Pacific-North, but as was said, It is changing the geography of the communities that begin to flood;

BajaBlanca - 2-14-2016 at 07:53 AM

There is so much water everywhere still due to the higher than normal tides. The cooperative built a pier from the back of the cabanas restaurant to the restaurant itself as there was absolutely no way to access it one time. Well, you could access it with water up to your knees.

The cabanas themselves are useless when there is a high tide. No way to get to the rooms or to drive your car anywhere close by.



rts551 - 2-14-2016 at 08:02 AM

And the mangroves are starting to fill in on the salt flat behind Abreojos because it is constantly flooded. No more camping out on the point at Estero Coyote.

mtgoat666 - 2-14-2016 at 08:20 AM

Scientists have been telling us for years that sea level is rising. The amount of rise is now sufficient for people to start seeing it with their own eyes, the high tides are now higher. (I sense that a picture of a palm tree is coming,.. along with a blast of hot air)

Anthropogenic global warming is real. It will only get worse. In ten or 15 years even the denialists will have to admit to the truthiness of the inconvenient truth.



[Edited on 2-14-2016 by mtgoat666]

David K - 2-14-2016 at 08:34 AM

Funny how that sea level is higher only in certain places? I will keep looking for it to rise universally. Winter tides and storm waves have always caused lagoon flooding and salt flats to get a fresh charge of sea water (that's how the salt gets there).

When those same flats are flooded at every high tide, all year long, or underwater all the time... then we will know for sure the sea level is higher.

That El Coyote palm will be in the water finally and homes along the beach will be wet! Oh, and Shell Island will be an island all the time and not just at the highest tides (as it is now and since my first drive out there in '78).

Paulclark - 2-14-2016 at 08:54 AM

El Nino is a big influence in the rise in sea level.

". Warming alone is expected to cause up to 2 feet of rise along the West Coast, according to the National Climate Assessment."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/el-nino-can-raise-...

SFandH - 2-14-2016 at 09:14 AM

We spent Oct to Dec in our RV on Bahia Concepcion. We've been going there in the winter each year for the past 10 years or so. This year, while visiting the various beaches I noticed that the road going to the estero at Santispac, the road going to the Los Cocos beach and the north end of El Burro all seemed to have higher water levels at high tide than in previous years.

I asked both Palillo and "almost free, what color" Adolpho (Cono to some), the t-shirt/blanket vendors who have been driving those roads practically every day for years, if they thought water levels are getting higher. They both said yes.


[Edited on 2-14-2016 by SFandH]

SFandH - 2-14-2016 at 09:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Funny how that sea level is higher only in certain places? I will keep looking for it to rise universally.


That's an incorrect expectation. River deltas, low lying marshlands, and esteros will feel the influence of sea level rise first.

woody with a view - 2-14-2016 at 09:16 AM

here's a thought. since the water is warmer than we've ever seen it the past few years (especially in winter) maybe the water molecules are expanding, hence the rise you all seek.

big storms and tides move sand around. all of the beaches around here are at their seasonal minimums. when spring arrives all of the sand ends up back on the beach. naturally, sand movement would be cause for areas with higher water in certain locations.

someone should find a pier or pilling somewhere and paint a stripe 20 feet above the water line. check it every year on the same day during the king tides and see what the result is.

David K - 2-14-2016 at 09:22 AM

We love "almost free"... bought a hammock from him in 2007, a shirt in 2009, and 2012... talked to him in 2015, but the rain had us leave early before he came back.

Warmer water does raise the level as do Winter tides and storms. Consistency rather than random high water will be what changes things.

The sea lever used to be 600 feet higher than now... I can show you fossil sea shells at 600 foot elevation points in the desert near San Felipe and the Imperial Valley. When the sea really does rise, it will be just going back to where it was a few million years ago.

SFandH - 2-14-2016 at 09:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
here's a thought. since the water is warmer than we've ever seen it the past few years (especially in winter) maybe the water molecules are expanding, hence the rise you all seek.


That's for sure. The warmer the water, the more space it takes. Thermal expansion.

dtbushpilot - 2-14-2016 at 09:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
here's a thought. since the water is warmer than we've ever seen it the past few years (especially in winter) maybe the water molecules are expanding, hence the rise you all seek.

big storms and tides move sand around. all of the beaches around here are at their seasonal minimums. when spring arrives all of the sand ends up back on the beach. naturally, sand movement would be cause for areas with higher water in certain locations.

someone should find a pier or pilling somewhere and paint a stripe 20 feet above the water line. check it every year on the same day during the king tides and see what the result is.


Stop it woody, that doesn't fit the narrative here....

bezzell - 2-14-2016 at 09:27 AM

Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  


someone should find a pier or pilling somewhere and paint a stripe 20 feet above the water line. check it every year on the same day during the king tides and see what the result is.


:lol::lol::lol: maybe you should contact NASA w/ this brilliant science tool! You & Special K!

omfg

mtgoat666 - 2-14-2016 at 09:27 AM

Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  


someone should find a pier or pilling somewhere and paint a stripe 20 feet above the water line. check it every year on the same day during the king tides and see what the result is.


Scientists already do that, well, something similar. Been doing it for 100s of years. They call it a tide gage. That's how we know sea level is rising. Imagine that!

But some say we should just take pictures of palm trees and toyotas.

[Edited on 2-14-2016 by mtgoat666]

David K - 2-14-2016 at 09:30 AM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Funny how that sea level is higher only in certain places? I will keep looking for it to rise universally.


That's an incorrect expectation. River deltas, low lying marshlands, and esteros will feel the influence of sea level rise first.


Sea Level is a point of reference, world-wide. Sure things cause it to fluctuate but the sea level is not greater here and not there since the sea is all connected around the world. Deltas and marshes are next to the sea, so sure they get affected more than a house on a cliff overlooking the sea, far below.
The Gulf of California and in a bay is a great place to see this level as it is far less affected by waves than the open Pacific shore.
That palm tree at El Coyote, Bah�a Concepci�n, makes a great benchmark as we have photos of it back sixty years... and it is still on the beach, above high tide today (well as of 6-7 months ago when I last saw it).

willardguy - 2-14-2016 at 09:33 AM

aww....you guys!
is this just your special Valentine to a special person? ;)

David K - 2-14-2016 at 09:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  


someone should find a pier or pilling somewhere and paint a stripe 20 feet above the water line. check it every year on the same day during the king tides and see what the result is.


Scientists already do that, well, something similar. Been doing it for 100s of years. They call it a tide gage. That's how we know sea level is rising. Imagine that!

But some say we should just take pictures of palm trees and toyotas.

[Edited on 2-14-2016 by mtgoat666]


Why are boat launch ramps, harbors, breakwaters, etc. NOT all under water? North Island base (Coronado) and the Hotel Del Coronado are not underwater? The runway at San Lucas Cove is not underwater... The gulf has not creeped up the Colorado River and made Campo Rio Hardy a sea port. PLEASE show me the sea is higher than 60 years ago... or more.

mtgoat666 - 2-14-2016 at 09:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  

That palm tree at El Coyote, Bah�a Concepci�n, makes a great benchmark as we have photos of it back sixty years... and it is still on the beach, above high tide today (well as of 6-7 months ago when I last saw it).


Would you post that photo again? And a map too, I don't know where that tree is.

monoloco - 2-14-2016 at 09:42 AM

Sea levels don't rise or fall equally around the planet for various reasons:
http://e360.yale.edu/feature/the_secret_of_sea_level_rise_it...

David K - 2-14-2016 at 09:43 AM

Happy Valentine's Day Goat!

willardguy - 2-14-2016 at 09:47 AM

we've all offered up good examples of rising sea levels but when the argument is "yeah but thats just the land sinking" why bother. really:(

bezzell - 2-14-2016 at 09:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  

Sea Level is a point of reference, world-wide. Sure things cause it to fluctuate but the sea level is not greater here and not there since the sea is all connected around the world.


Nonsense! aaagain
but pls, continue :lol:

MMc - 2-14-2016 at 10:33 AM

Sometimes, I think people do these post just to bait others. I'll go away now.

Mexitron - 2-14-2016 at 10:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
We love "almost free"... bought a hammock from him in 2007, a shirt in 2009, and 2012... talked to him in 2015, but the rain had us leave early before he came back.

Warmer water does raise the level as do Winter tides and storms. Consistency rather than random high water will be what changes things.

The sea lever used to be 600 feet higher than now... I can show you fossil sea shells at 600 foot elevation points in the desert near San Felipe and the Imperial Valley. When the sea really does rise, it will be just going back to where it was a few million years ago.


600 feet higher? Need a reference on that. Not saying no but I would think geological forces have put those fossils at that elevation. I believe if all the ice caps melt entirely we'd only have 300 feet higher sea level.

rts551 - 2-14-2016 at 11:13 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Funny how that sea level is higher only in certain places? I will keep looking for it to rise universally. Winter tides and storm waves have always caused lagoon flooding and salt flats to get a fresh charge of sea water (that's how the salt gets there).

When those same flats are flooded at every high tide, all year long, or underwater all the time... then we will know for sure the sea level is higher.

That El Coyote palm will be in the water finally and homes along the beach will be wet! Oh, and Shell Island will be an island all the time and not just at the highest tides (as it is now and since my first drive out there in '78).


Obviously you did not read the article. only comments. Open you eyes. Abreojos!

rts551 - 2-14-2016 at 11:18 AM

DAVID, I offered an example....mangroves now growing where there was previously dry land...that is not occasional flooding. Read the article about La Bocana and Blanca's comments. That is not occasional flooding.

MitchMan - 2-14-2016 at 12:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by monoloco  
Sea levels don't rise or fall equally around the planet for various reasons:
http://e360.yale.edu/feature/the_secret_of_sea_level_rise_it...


Great Article, Mono. Thanks

David K - 2-14-2016 at 12:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
DAVID, I offered an example....mangroves now growing where there was previously dry land...that is not occasional flooding. Read the article about La Bocana and Blanca's comments. That is not occasional flooding.


So the salt flat road between Abreojos and La Bocana will never be used again because it's now and forever underwater?

rts551 - 2-14-2016 at 02:00 PM

Where once was a road in now mangroves. The road keeps moving to higher ground. Within a mile of La Bocana it is blocked off and will never be used again.

Davis.. This is a real issue affecting real people. Read the article.

SFandH - 2-14-2016 at 02:08 PM

More about the mangrove lagoons of Magdalena Bay:

"Oceanographic anomalies and sea-level rise drive mangroves inland in the Pacific coast of Mexico"

http://mangroves.elaw.org/node/40


sancho - 2-14-2016 at 02:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  

is this just your special Valentine to a special person?













That Bromance only lasted, what 4 days? Didn't even make it to
the second date, not even to 1st base.
Back to the good ole days, something's never
change. A least one beachside palm tree here in San Clemente
planted in 1920 was taken by the sea, don't understand some
that continue to be proud of stubborn denial,
seems to come as part of the Package
one believes in







[Edited on 2-14-2016 by sancho]

[Edited on 2-14-2016 by sancho]

mtgoat666 - 2-14-2016 at 02:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Where once was a road in now mangroves. The road keeps moving to higher ground. Within a mile of La Bocana it is blocked off and will never be used again.

Davis.. This is a real issue affecting real people. Read the article.


Dk is someone who will not understand due to his political blindness, and as evidenced by his repetition of old palm tree pictures, could not begin to understand even if he were politically inclined to have an open mind.

David K - 2-14-2016 at 04:47 PM

The point is, I use my own eyes to see and don't blindly follow populist articles and blogs. Why is the sea rising in Abreojos and Magdalena but nowhere in the gulf or Southern California? The only thing that fits is land sinking in those couple spots (which is mentioned in Ralph's link). Did you read the article? I have lived on or near the beach for most of my 58 years and have yet to see a higher sea level. Where's the old vs. new photos of the flooded locations?

Rising Sea Levels????

STARBAJA - 2-14-2016 at 05:07 PM

An interesting article from a few years back. Have come across other more recent reports that seem to support this view.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2011/12/rising-credulity/

rts551 - 2-14-2016 at 06:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
The point is, I use my own eyes to see and don't blindly follow populist articles and blogs. Why is the sea rising in Abreojos and Magdalena but nowhere in the gulf or Southern California? The only thing that fits is land sinking in those couple spots (which is mentioned in Ralph's link). Did you read the article? I have lived on or near the beach for most of my 58 years and have yet to see a higher sea level. Where's the old vs. new photos of the flooded locations?


Your own eyes? How often do you get to see the sea in Abreojos? Abreojos Amigo.

cabins over the water...time for glass floors!

Whale-ista - 2-14-2016 at 06:19 PM

From the "make lemondade" recipe files: maybe they can construct ramps from higher ground to the rear of the cabins, construct decks around the perimeter so they can enter the front doors, and then cut out some areas of the flooring, to allow visitors to look down into the water during hi tides and see the fish they hope to catch.... works in Polynesia!


Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca  
There is so much water everywhere still due to the higher than normal tides. The cooperative built a pier from the back of the cabanas restaurant to the restaurant itself as there was absolutely no way to access it one time. Well, you could access it with water up to your knees.

The cabanas themselves are useless when there is a high tide. No way to get to the rooms or to drive your car anywhere close by.



uplifted areas w/fossils, not just lower sea level

Whale-ista - 2-14-2016 at 06:26 PM

Dave-

remember tectonic plates are also shifting along fault lines, and lifting up the land in places. So not only is the sea level lower, but the land is also higher in places.

Just observe the 'wave cut terraces" on the west coast of Baja, showing the "steps" where the sea level has literally cut terraces into the land at various elevations. Then look at the uplift on the east coast, where the subduction of plates along the San Andreas fault line is lifting/tilting the entire peninsula.

So- all these ancient sea beds are at various elevations not only due to sea level changes, but tectonic plate dynamics/geologic shifting.

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
...

The sea lever used to be 600 feet higher than now... I can show you fossil sea shells at 600 foot elevation points in the desert near San Felipe and the Imperial Valley. When the sea really does rise, it will be just going back to where it was a few million years ago.

rts551 - 2-14-2016 at 06:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Whale-ista  
From the "make lemondade" recipe files: maybe they can construct ramps from higher ground to the rear of the cabins, construct decks around the perimeter so they can enter the front doors, and then cut out some areas of the flooring, to allow visitors to look down into the water during hi tides and see the fish they hope to catch.... works in Polynesia!


Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca  
There is so much water everywhere still due to the higher than normal tides. The cooperative built a pier from the back of the cabanas restaurant to the restaurant itself as there was absolutely no way to access it one time. Well, you could access it with water up to your knees.

The cabanas themselves are useless when there is a high tide. No way to get to the rooms or to drive your car anywhere close by.


Looks like they will have to take your recommendation. Was just there friday.

David K - 2-14-2016 at 06:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
The point is, I use my own eyes to see and don't blindly follow populist articles and blogs. Why is the sea rising in Abreojos and Magdalena but nowhere in the gulf or Southern California? The only thing that fits is land sinking in those couple spots (which is mentioned in Ralph's link). Did you read the article? I have lived on or near the beach for most of my 58 years and have yet to see a higher sea level. Where's the old vs. new photos of the flooded locations?


Your own eyes? How often do you get to see the sea in Abreojos? Abreojos Amigo.

I don't other than a couple times and that is why I asked for photos... You live there (sometimes, right?) so a photo of a once dry region going underwater is not worth taking? Why don't you and Goat want us to see photos of this higher (than normal for winter) sea level?


Quote: Originally posted by STARBAJA  
An interesting article from a few years back. Have come across other more recent reports that seem to support this view.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2011/12/rising-credulity/


What a great article, thank you!
Here's just a small part from the center of it...

"My latest project was a field expedition to India, to the coast of Goa, combining observations with archeological information. Our findings are straightforward: there is no ongoing sea level rise. The sea level there has been stable for the last 50 years or so, after falling some 20cm in around 1960; it was well below the present level in the 18th century and some 50 to 60cm above the present in the 17th century. So it is clear that sea levels rise and fall entirely independently of so-called �climate change�."


rts551 - 2-14-2016 at 06:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
The point is, I use my own eyes to see and don't blindly follow populist articles and blogs. Why is the sea rising in Abreojos and Magdalena but nowhere in the gulf or Southern California? The only thing that fits is land sinking in those couple spots (which is mentioned in Ralph's link). Did you read the article? I have lived on or near the beach for most of my 58 years and have yet to see a higher sea level. Where's the old vs. new photos of the flooded locations?


Your own eyes? How often do you get to see the sea in Abreojos? Abreojos Amigo.

I don't other than a couple times and that is why I asked for photos... You live there (sometimes, right?) so a photo of a once dry region going underwater is not worth taking? Why don't you and Goat want us to see photos of this higher (than normal for winter) sea level?


Quote: Originally posted by STARBAJA  
An interesting article from a few years back. Have come across other more recent reports that seem to support this view.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2011/12/rising-credulity/


What a great article, thank you!
Here's just a small part from the center of it...

"My latest project was a field expedition to India, to the coast of Goa, combining observations with archeological information. Our findings are straightforward: there is no ongoing sea level rise. The sea level there has been stable for the last 50 years or so, after falling some 20cm in around 1960; it was well below the present level in the 18th century and some 50 to 60cm above the present in the 17th century. So it is clear that sea levels rise and fall entirely independently of so-called �climate change�."



I live here most of the year. And I will put up a photo tomorrow....even though you will b-tch about it.

People, when will you quit listening to the expert who only goes to Mexico one week a year. He thinks posting on the internet makes you important...IT IS THE OPPOSITE.

Foto of salt flat mangroves tomorrow.

David K - 2-14-2016 at 06:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Whale-ista  
Dave-

remember tectonic plates are also shifting along fault lines, and lifting up the land in places. So not only is the sea level lower, but the land is also higher in places.

Just observe the 'wave cut terraces" on the west coast of Baja, showing the "steps" where the sea level has literally cut terraces into the land at various elevations. Then look at the uplift on the east coast, where the subduction of plates along the San Andreas fault line is lifting/tilting the entire peninsula.

So- all these ancient sea beds are at various elevations not only due to sea level changes, but tectonic plate dynamics/geologic shifting.

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
...

The sea lever used to be 600 feet higher than now... I can show you fossil sea shells at 600 foot elevation points in the desert near San Felipe and the Imperial Valley. When the sea really does rise, it will be just going back to where it was a few million years ago.


I discussed this before... some fossils are high in the mountains that are thrust up from plate tectonics... they are very OLD fossils. The fossils near San Felipe and El Centro are young fossils (less than 10 million years) and are not on upthrusted mountains but on hills next to flat desert (former sea bottom).

Why is it so important to believe in doom that to believe things are normal? Real doom comes from a volcano in your village or a tidal wave hitting your island... not "man-made" climate change. But, that is just my opinion. Be happy and don't worry over things you can do nothing about for some people who have an agenda the includes taking more of your money for their predictions.

elgatoloco - 2-14-2016 at 06:36 PM

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Nils-Axel-Morner-wrong-about...

Wrong. Nice try though. :saint:

David K - 2-14-2016 at 06:41 PM

I live in San Diego County (it's on the water) and I was eating lunch OVER the Pacific ocean yesterday with my wife (Ruby's on the pier in Oceanside).

There were some big swells under the pier (UNDER).
That pier and the ones before it is STILL just as far above those swells as 50 years ago and people are enjoying being on it. It is still way above the sea.

Please do show photos of a marsh or flood that has not flooded before in Winter. Post an old photo of when it was dry.
Again, per YOUR article, some areas of the world along a coast are dropping in elevation. So, be open-minded enough to accept that kind of reality since the sea level in Muleg�, San Felipe, and Oceanside are the same as 50 years ago.

Thank you!

rts551 - 2-14-2016 at 06:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I live in San Diego County (it's on the water) and I was eating lunch OVER the Pacific ocean yesterday with my wife (Ruby's on the pier in Oceanside).

There were some big swells under the pier (UNDER).
That pier and the ones before it is STILL just as far above those swells as 50 years ago and people are enjoying being on it. It is still way above the sea.

Please do show photos of a marsh or flood that has not flooded before in Winter. Post an old photo of when it was dry.
Again, per YOUR article, some areas of the world along a coast are dropping in elevation. So, be open-minded enough to accept that kind of reality since the sea level in Muleg�, San Felipe, and Oceanside are the same as 50 years ago.

Thank you!


Real people experiencing Real problems in the article. They are asking you to openb your eyes. Abreojos. They already know your mind is well.....

bezzell - 2-14-2016 at 08:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  

What a great article, thank you!


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: (thanx elgatoloco)


Tough Tidal Times

MrBillM - 2-14-2016 at 09:46 PM

IF ocean levels haven't risen enough to account for the destructive inundation by Killer Tides, the answer seems obvious.

Global Warming is causing the Moon to MOVE !

I think that Al Gore may have predicted that.

Or, maybe, Al Sharpton.

An alternate explanation "could" be that the Apollo landings caused a delayed disruption in its orbit.

Quien Sabe ?

Which brings to mind a possible solution.

We (U.S., Europe, Russia, Etc) could develop a program to launch Lunar missions with the goal of shifting the Moon to compensate for destructive tides.

You'd have to get the Math right, of course.

"Close enough for Government Work" wouldn't Work.

baron - 2-14-2016 at 09:49 PM

Be happy and don't worry over things you can do nothing about for some people who have an agenda the includes taking more of your money for their predictions

Point here is that something CAN be done NOW. Obviously you have no children and care not of the lives they will live in 50 years. And obviously you are immune to doing your part to at least acknowledge the effect of humans in this equation. Basically useless human being in the important scheme of these things I would guess. Kinda lame.

When The Sun Goes Down. The Tide Goes Out...........

MrBillM - 2-14-2016 at 10:24 PM

" The people all gather round and shout

Hey hey Uncle Dud it's a treat to beat your feet on the Mississippi mud.

It's a treat to beat your feet on the Mississippi mud.

What a dance do they do Lordy how I'm telling you They don't need no band They keep time by clapping their hands.

Just as happy as a cow chewing on a cud just to beat their feet on the Mississippi mud "



mtgoat666 - 2-14-2016 at 11:09 PM

Go read some of the stuff here: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html

The web site even describes how sea levels are measured. They don't mention photographing Palm trees as a measurement method.

AKgringo - 2-15-2016 at 07:38 AM

Some movements of the Earth's crust are less subtle than others.

http://www.geo.arizona.edu/~nhartnes/alaska/uplift.html

Edit; Montague Island is about fifty miles long, and about five miles wide

[Edited on 2-15-2016 by AKgringo]

monoloco - 2-15-2016 at 08:52 AM

Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Nils-Axel-Morner-wrong-about...

Wrong. Nice try though. :saint:
Sounds familiar:
"3) He places great emphasis his own observations, where trees along the coast are reliable evidence."

pacificobob - 2-15-2016 at 08:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by baron  
Be happy and don't worry over things you can do nothing about for some people who have an agenda the includes taking more of your money for their predictions

Point here is that something CAN be done NOW. Obviously you have no children and care not of the lives they will live in 50 years. And obviously you are immune to doing your part to at least acknowledge the effect of humans in this equation. Basically useless human being in the important scheme of these things I would guess. Kinda lame.
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i could not agree more. what i find most interesting is the "logic" employed by those who deny real science, and instead choose willful ignorance and consider it part and parcel of the conservative, regressive dogma "package"

[Edited on 2-15-2016 by pacificobob]

So Far So Good ?

MrBillM - 2-15-2016 at 10:45 AM

Looking around below Sea Level (in Calexico) last week, things looked OK. No apparent change.

The Salton Sea, too.

No Tidal worries here.

" First the tide rushes in
Plants a kiss on the shore
Then rolls out to sea
And the sea is very still once more"



[Edited on 2-15-2016 by MrBillM]

BajaMama - 2-16-2016 at 07:28 AM

Our house is near fish camp in Punta Chivato. In previous years the reef out front was exposed at low tide and had so much pelican poop that the water was too cloudy for snorkeling. Last October the reef was never exposed so the pelicans could not land there to poop. Snorkeling was better than ever. Was this from higher tides, or could it be that low tide was in the dark? Guess I'll find out in May...

SFandH - 2-16-2016 at 08:53 AM

There is a reef off of the Santispac beach between two of the close-by islands that is usually sticking a bit above water, making it easy to see. I have a boat that I use in the bay a lot so I'm always on the lookout for it. This past fall and early winter, it seemed to be submerged by a small amount much more often than usual making it an unseen navigation hazard.

I'm not imagining this, nor the partially submerged roads around the bay that I posted about earlier. I'm convinced the water level is higher in the bay. Why, I'm not sure. Thermal expansion, sea level rise, currents, winds, unusually high low tides could all explain what I've observed.

David K - 2-16-2016 at 09:17 AM

It will be sad to see Pompano's beach house and the others built just inches above the high tide line become abandoned, as they must be underwater now or close?

Oh well, that is what the animals and humans have always done, adapt or die when climate changes, as it always has.

Good Advice

bajaguy - 2-16-2016 at 09:24 AM

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."...........Abraham Lincoln


The Good News IS - The Earth SUCKS

MrBillM - 2-16-2016 at 12:25 PM

More.

Lately.

According to the L.A. [Socialist Peoples Daily] Times, Tuesday, 16 Feb, the reason that the "forecast" (imagined ?) sea levels haven't risen as fast as anticipated by the (dubious) science is that the Land Masses have been absorbing more of what would normally runoff into the oceans.

Which is GOOD News, right ?

IF we construct facilities to catch more and more runoff, we can stop worrying about sea-level rise.

No Worries, Mate.

mtgoat666 - 2-22-2016 at 02:26 PM

Interesting article in the new york times today:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/23/science/sea-level-rise-...