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Cartel Violence Returns to Tijuana

cioppa - 2-21-2016 at 12:48 PM

This was printed in the LA Times today, some might find it sounding a lot like a few years ago.

http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-ti...

Lee - 2-21-2016 at 01:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by cioppa  
This was printed in the LA Times today, some might find it sounding a lot like a few years ago.

http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-ti...


LA Times has a very small part of the puzzle. Violence never left TJ. It's not front page but it makes good copy. Like this article states:

"Thinking about cartels is a misnomer about what is going on in Mexico. The fragmentation that has dominated the Mexican underworld is here to stay. Ten years from now, neither Sinaloa nor Nueva Generacion will exist."

JoeJustJoe - 2-21-2016 at 02:03 PM

Yes really when did the cartel violence ever leave Tijuana?

There has been some cartel group in Tijuana for years now, with the worse period peaking in 2008 with 844 homicides, then we saw a decease of homicides under 500 for a number of year, but the last couple if years the homicide rate has spiked up.

The important thing I take from the article is this quote:

"Drug-related killings accounted for more than 80% of Tijuana's 670 homicides in 2015."

Most government sources in Mexico, say between 80% to 90% of homicides in Mexico and cities like Tijuana, are drug related.

American tourists are not being targeted.

What's freighting many people, is these new groups, like the " Nueva Generacion," are more bold, and will often settle scores between rival factions, usually low level drug dealers, in broad daylight, and near populated areas!

Many claims are that the " Nueva Generacion" in Tijuana, is just made up of the old remnants of the weakened Arellano-Filix cartel, that was pushed out years ago by the " Sinaloa cartel, and they are sending a message they're back!

I was just reading the other day, that about the breakdown of criminal gangs and formal structure in Tijuana, and although the " Nueva Generacion" with partnership from the "Arellano-Fellix, is making inroads, the "Sinaloa" cartel" has the strongest presence in Tijuana.

Cártel de Sinaloa con mayor presencia en TJ

http://www.afntijuana.info/informacion_general/52624_cartel_...

gsbotanico - 2-22-2016 at 11:30 AM

Responsible tourists and residents are rarely in danger unless caught in the crossfire of a public killing. I accidentally ate in a Tijuana restaurant in Colonia Libertad where an employee and diner were innocently shot to death. I didn't find out until the food was served, otherwise I would have fled the scene.

The Nueva Generación from Jalisco and La Familia in Michoacán exhibit a higher level of brutality in the competition for a larger share of the huge profits to be made in the drug traffic. It's the demand for drugs in the US, with the Tijuana/San Diego border being the conduit into California, that will always make Tijuana an area of intense rivalry among the narcotraficantes. There's too much money to be made.

Even when drug violence was at its worst, it didn't stop me from driving through Tijuana or patronizing restaurants and other stores there. I did it more carefully. Even Mexican told me to keep my car door locked at all times.

[Edited on 2-22-2016 by gsbotanico]

BajaTed - 3-29-2016 at 07:24 PM

The public displays of the cartel violence when the military base by the turn off to Otay Mesa was under seige no longer occur. :O
The impromptu convoys of black trucks and big SUVs with blue lights flashing in their front grilles coming down from La Gloria or Primo Tapia haven't been around either.:bounce:
The tunnels just get deeper and go longer, the cartels are doing the same mas y menos.

Hook - 3-29-2016 at 08:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed  
The public displays of the cartel violence when the military base by the turn off to Otay Mesa was under seige no longer occur. :O
The impromptu convoys of black trucks and big SUVs with blue lights flashing in their front grilles coming down from La Gloria or Primo Tapia haven't been around either.:bounce:
The tunnels just get deeper and go longer, the cartels are doing the same mas y menos.


So, Trump's walls need to go 10 feet LOWER, instead of higher? :lol:

[Edited on 3-30-2016 by Hook]

bajabuddha - 3-29-2016 at 10:50 PM

Some seem to think the anger and paranoia seem do go deeper and higher. The scourge of our planet is greed, pure and simple. Proven fact now, Colorado has caused the biggest impact on the Cartels in the history of the War On Drugs. Time to realize the Lib-Tards may, for once, be right.

mtgoat666 - 3-29-2016 at 10:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gsbotanico  
Responsible tourists and residents are rarely in danger unless caught in the crossfire of a public killing. I accidentally ate in a Tijuana restaurant...


Well, that is reassuring. We'll just avoid the cross fires of the public killings. Now us tourists can stop worrying.

By the way, how do we avoid the cross fires of the public killings?

mtgoat666 - 3-29-2016 at 11:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
Proven fact now, Colorado has caused the biggest impact on the Cartels in the history of the War On Drugs.


Proven fact, eh?

bajabuddha - 3-29-2016 at 11:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
Proven fact now, Colorado has caused the biggest impact on the Cartels in the history of the War On Drugs.


Proven fact, eh?

Yes it is, Culo Grande. Recent article is the growers and lower end personnel are hurting badly on the pot trade. Just EXACTLY like the bootleggers did after prohibition was repealed. Read it and weep. OH, and no, I don't have specific sources. Find 'em yourself. Give you sumpin' to do between arguing about every friggin' thing.

chuckie - 3-30-2016 at 04:29 AM

New signage is being posted in TJ. If you see a sign depicting 2 AK's over a severed head, that sez" desvacion".....there is a cross fire zone close by...eeezy peezy

SFandH - 3-30-2016 at 05:44 AM

Unintended Consequences

"Losing marijuana business, Mexican cartels push heroin and meth"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/losing-mar...

Delivered via cars/trucks through the ports of entry, tunnels under, and tomorrow, drones over the wall.

[Edited on 3-30-2016 by SFandH]

BajaTed - 4-21-2016 at 06:40 AM

Read about the "super tunnel" found in Otay.

The tunnels will go now to more remote locations, risk vs reward

Risk of detection rising, reward not diminished due to the perfect storm associated with the status quo.

Cigarette smoking was dramatically reduced by using the litigate / legislate approach

The same could hold true for drugs LESS addictive than nicotine

The 9/11 folks want to sue Saudi Arabia

What about the home of the Cartels? Not our Christian brothers, hush yourself


chuckie - 4-21-2016 at 07:03 AM

Its a TUNNEL..where is the Violence?

SFandH - 4-21-2016 at 08:30 AM

No violence, just a smooth, quiet operation. The opening on the US side was beneath a large garbage dumpster on private commercial property. The smugglers would fill up the dumpster and a truck would come by, pick it up, and haul it away. I suppose an empty dumpster was put in its place.

Efficient.

bajabuddha - 4-21-2016 at 09:01 AM

What I found interesting about the article was the amounts of drugs confiscated; one ton of cocaine, but SEVEN tons of weed. To me that is an indicator of how much of a dent NORML-ization and legalization of pot would do to the cartels. Yes, they'll still run all the other illicit drugs, but as far as the DEA's work load they could concentrate more on the chemicals shipped and sold to manufacture the more complex mixtures. What does pot take? WATER. All the rest can be easier traced and tracked by large quantities of the pharmaceuticals used in processing coke and meth.

Pot, like booze isn't going away. Never has. Once the Federal Gov't wises up to the prohibition of grass there will be a few less Al Capone's in the mix, and the good-guy's workloads will not be as broad or extensive. Like it or not, smoke it or not, drink booze or not... too bad common sense cannot be legislated (especially this current congress, although they're certainly trying to legislate morality).

Far's the violence is concerned, the Italian Mafia still does hits, still controls illicit activities. Once prohibition was repealed it wasn't as much of a total free-for-all as during the 'dark years'.

wessongroup - 4-21-2016 at 09:04 AM

All that Ag land on Otay and Brows field ... that was sold to build out all that commercial property .... right next to the border .... had to have generated some really interesting meetings with the City of San Diego and many others ... years ago

Say how about a WALL .... :biggrin::biggrin:

That's the trouble with some of those Easterner's ... they don't know the West .. .:lol::lol:





[Edited on 4-22-2016 by wessongroup]

JoeJustJoe - 4-21-2016 at 12:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
Proven fact now, Colorado has caused the biggest impact on the Cartels in the history of the War On Drugs.


Proven fact, eh?

Yes it is, Culo Grande. Recent article is the growers and lower end personnel are hurting badly on the pot trade. Just EXACTLY like the bootleggers did after prohibition was repealed. Read it and weep. OH, and no, I don't have specific sources. Find 'em yourself. Give you sumpin' to do between arguing about every friggin' thing.


Why the insults towards my buddy Goat?

You Bajabuddha are not telling the whole story about growers hurting badly, and that's why it's important to link your sources, which is something rarely done on "Baja Nomad" with the older crowd.

One of the other reasons why Mexican marijuana, has dropped in price and is not that popular anymore, is because it's junk!

Most of the Mexican marijuana, is low-grade compressed weed, sometimes called "brick weed" and is very cheap with low THC content in the 3% to 8% range, that is full of pesticides and other junk.

No cannabis connoisseur, worth his salt would be caught dead smoking cheap Mexican weed, although most marijuana still comes from south of the border. There was a time when almost all marijuana came from south of the border, but not anymore.

Most of the good stuff is grown legally or illegally in the US in high-tech greenhouses, and the THC levels range around 10% to 20%.

It's the THC levels that give you the high. US marijuana grown marijuana does cost about three or four times are much as Mexican dried packed weed, but you get what you pay for.

There is already a marijuana market for US marijuana going to Mexico, so perhaps soon Mexico will get together with Trump and build that wall to stop the drug trade from the US to Mexico.

When Marijuana becomes legal in all 50 states, perhaps they should slap an organic sticker on the marijuana grown and sold in the US.

In the meantime don't think just because the Mexican cartels are sometimes dumping their marijuana in the ocean, or allowing the Mexican or American authorities to make big marijuana drug busts as a token gesture to make people believe the US/Mexican governments are winning the war on drugs. Don't think this will put the drug cartels out of business.

The cartels are just revamping their poppy operations and are sending heroin to the US, where drug addicted Americans also have an insatiable appetite. Heroin is popular again, because of the crack down over meth operations and over-the-counter drugs used to make meth.

wessongroup - 4-22-2016 at 04:48 PM

Wonder if they have worked out growing Cocoa in Mexico ... that would be a big break for them ... HUH :biggrin::biggrin:

[Edited on 4-22-2016 by wessongroup]

Udo - 4-22-2016 at 08:15 PM

Exactly!
Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed  
The public displays of the cartel violence when the military base by the turn off to Otay Mesa was under seige no longer occur. :O
The impromptu convoys of black trucks and big SUVs with blue lights flashing in their front grilles coming down from La Gloria or Primo Tapia haven't been around either.:bounce:
The tunnels just get deeper and go longer, the cartels are doing the same mas y menos.

Maron - 4-22-2016 at 09:07 PM

As Sonny and Cher once sang "The Beat Goes On".

joerover - 4-22-2016 at 11:14 PM

The streets of zona norte are lined with policia trucks about 7pm. All the working girls are fat and old. Did i mention over 100 police searching and arresting everyone. Accept me. I just walked up and down a couple of times.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl-0rNJyzfs&index=4&...