Anyone know whats up with this New Warning not to cross into Baja? Is it to do with the latest kiddnapping/ mudders in TJ? I am going anyway. What
the heck its never stoped us girls before. Plus we blow threw TJ anyway. I guess less people and traffic for us the next three days. surfer jim - 1-27-2005 at 09:42 AM
Warning?....what did they say?....I haven't heard anything.....Bruce R Leech - 1-27-2005 at 09:46 AM
Where did you see the warning? what did it say?
I checked the State Department website
Tucker - 1-27-2005 at 09:51 AM
There is no such warning posted there.Bruce R Leech - 1-27-2005 at 09:57 AM
there are not any travel advisories or warnings issued by the U.S State Dept. at this time for Baja Or Mexico. this sound like a bad rummer to me.
some People start these rummer so they can Chase of tourism. possibly they want to be the only ones in Mexico.
Tourism TerrorismCyndarouh - 1-27-2005 at 10:02 AM
Rick Roberts talk show host in SD and in the New's Paper, local news. It says Fox also is saying to stay out. I just emailed Rick Roberts and Thanked
him. Traffic will be less the next Four days for me. Its all about muders, kiddnapping and no medical help. Rick is going Off I mean Going OFF! I also
told him if you stay out of the bars, know where you are travel with some one and so on. No problems and I am a Female going down with my buddy to
take a cooking class in Ensenada. Thats where the info is coming from. surfer jim - 1-27-2005 at 10:06 AM
Just saw it on a off-road website...looks real to me.....Bajalero - 1-27-2005 at 10:11 AM
As it stands right now , the US ambassador has made a clear warning to Mexico that they better get things under control for the safety of tourist.
The state dept. official stance is that they , at this moment , have not issued a warning "against" travel to Mexico but have sent out a statement to
tourist that given the current crime environment , extra precautions are needed.
[Edited on 1-27-2005 by Bajalero]Bruce R Leech - 1-27-2005 at 11:14 AM
this is the warning issued by the us state dept.
don't listen to these radio nuts they take every thing out of context. they will say anything to start controversy for there ratings . when you post
these alarmists statements you are only helping to spread lies.
when there is a official woning it will be on the official website.
Travel Warning Issued by State Department
Dateline: 12/11/99
The US State Department has issued a worldwide warning to American citizens traveling abroad due to "credible information that terrorists are planning
attacks." The warning covers the period through the start of the New Year and Ramadan.
The warning advises Americans traveling abroad to avoid Millennial celebrations and cited information indicating terrorist attacks "could be planned
for locations throughout the world where large gatherings and celebrations will be taking place."
Other safety recommendation for Americans traveling during the warning period include:
Avoid large crowds and gatherings
Keep a low profile
Vary routes and times of travel
Review security practices
Remain alert to changing situations
Exercise caution
Contact the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate for up-to-date information
Originally posted by Cyndarouh
I guess less people and traffic for us the next three days.
I agree with Cyndarouh.
And as long as one keeps ones nose clean and stays out of trouble, not a problem with traveling to Baja. Bruce R Leech - 1-27-2005 at 11:40 AM
this is a Public Announcement they have not posted a warning yet
ANNOUNCEMENT
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Office of the Spokesman
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This information is current as of today, Thu Jan 27 11:33:33 2005.
Mexico
January 26, 2005
This Public Announcement is being issued to alert U.S. citizens to the current security situation along the Mexican side of the U.S.-Mexico border in
the wake of increased violence among drug traffickers. Although the majority of travelers in the region visit without mishap, violent criminal
activity, including murder and kidnapping, in Mexico's northern border region has increased. The overwhelming majority of the victims of violent crime
have been Mexican citizens. Nonetheless, U.S. citizens should be aware of the risk posed by the deteriorating security situation. This Public
Announcement expires on April 25, 2005.
Violent criminal activity along the U.S.-Mexico border has increased as a product of a war between criminal organizations struggling for control of
the lucrative narcotics trade along the border. The leaders of several major criminal organizations have been arrested, creating a power vacuum. This
has resulted in a wave of violence aimed primarily at members of those trafficking organizations and criminal justice officials. However, foreign
visitors, including Americans, have been among the victims of homicides and kidnappings in the border region in recent months.
Mexico's police forces suffer from lack of funds and training, and the judicial system is weak, overworked, and inefficient. Criminals, armed with an
impressive array of weapons, know there is little chance they will be caught and punished. In some cases, assailants have been wearing full or partial
police uniforms and have used vehicles that resemble police vehicles, indicating some elements of the police might be involved.
U.S. citizens are urged to be especially aware of safety and security concerns when visiting the border region. The majority of the thousands of U.S.
citizens who cross the border each day do so safely, exercising common-sense precautions such as visiting only the legitimate business and tourism
areas of border towns during daylight hours. It is strongly recommended that red-light districts and neighborhoods where street drug dealing occurs be
avoided.
U.S. citizens who are victims of crime in the border region are urged to contact the Consular Section of the nearest U.S. consulate for advice and
assistance.
The U.S. Consulate General in Tijuana, which covers the states of Baja California Norte and Baja California Sur, is located at Ave. Tapachula 96,
Colonia Hip?dromo. The Consulate General's telephone number is (52)(664) 622-7400, the fax for the office of American Citizen Services is (664)
686-1168, and the Consulate General's web address is http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/tijuana/Teacs.htm .
The U.S. Consulate in Nogales, which covers northern Sonora, is located at Calle San Jose, Fraccionamiento Los Alamos. The Consulate's telephone
number is (52)(631) 313-4820, the fax for the Consulate is (52) (631) 313-46-52, the e-mail address for the Consulate is nogales7@prodigy.net.mx and
the Consulate's web address is http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/nogales/NE_Introduction.htm .
The U.S. Consulate General in Ciudad Ju?rez, which covers the state of Chihuahua, is located at Avenida Lopez Mateos 924 Norte. The Consulate
General's telephone number is (52)(656) 611-3000, the fax for the Consulate General is (656) 616-9056, the e-mail address for the Consulate General's
Office of American Citizen Services is cdjamericancitizens@state.gov, and the Consulate General's web address is http://usembassy.state.gov/posts/mx2/wwwhmain.html .
The U.S. Consulate in Nuevo Laredo, which covers northern Coahuila and northwestern Tamaulipas states, is located at Calle Allende 3330, Colonia
Jardin. The Consulate's telephone number is (52)(867) 714-0512, the e-mail address for the Consulate's Office of American Citizen Services is
NuevoLaredo-ACS@state.gov, and the Consulate's web address is http://nuevolaredo.usconsulate.gov/nuevolaredo/index.html .
The U.S. Consulate in Matamoros, which covers eastern and southern Tamaulipas state, is located at Calle Primera #2002, Colonia Jardin. The
Consulate's telephone number is (52)(868) 812-4402, the fax for the Consulate is (868) 812-2171, and the Consulate's web address is http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/matamoros/matamoros1.html .
Americans living or traveling in Mexico are encouraged to register with the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate through the State Department's travel
registration website, https://travelregistration.state.gov , and to obtain updated information on travel and security within Mexico. Americans without Internet access
may register directly with the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate. By registering, American citizens make it easier for the Embassy or Consulate to
contact them in case of emergency.
Updated information on travel and security for Mexico may be obtained from the Department of State by calling 1-888-407-4747 within the U.S., or from
overseas, 1-317-472-2328. U.S. citizens should consult the Consular Information Sheet for Mexico, the Worldwide Caution Public Announcement, and the
travel publication A Safe Trip Abroad, all of which are available on the State Department's Internet site at http://travel.state.gov . FrankO - 1-27-2005 at 11:51 AM
Listening to Rick Roberts for valid information is akin asking a politician for a straightforward answer. He is an alarmist in the extreme and rarely
alters a good story to interject a fact. Maybe he posts on this board under the name....????Cyndarouh - 1-27-2005 at 11:53 AM
If you note I was asking if any one had heard of this warning. Not saying if it were true or not. Its all over local TV and radio this morning. I am
not brotherd by any of it. Never have had any trouble and my buddy and I will head south noonish Friday. By the way Tio Rocky, your fresh apple pie
will be in Ensenada early Sat. :
Just a little ribbing.
FrankO - 1-27-2005 at 11:55 AM
I tell most first timers anymore that it's frightening down south. The roads are terrible etc, etc. Obviously that's not working.Bruce R Leech - 1-27-2005 at 12:00 PM
I think I am safer here than in any city in the U.S.A.
[Edited on 1-27-2005 by Bruce R Leech]
Lots of police activity at the border these days....
Pompano - 1-27-2005 at 12:15 PM
Just the other day I was overtaken by Michael Jackson as he was fleeing from the federales through Mulege........JESSE - 1-27-2005 at 12:29 PM
Violence has increased, we are in the middle of a war betwen the Tijuana-Golfo cartel alliance, and the Guadalajara-Sinaloa cartels, in the past few
weeks all cartels have lost key people because of rival hits, and theres nothing the goverment can do about it until one side starts to lose and
decides to call it a day.
Just so you know, 99% of the deaths belong to people who are:
A.-Drug dealers
B.-Corrupt police
If you arent in any of those two categories, your as safe as always.TMW - 1-27-2005 at 12:42 PM
I think it is our responsibility to spread the word on how unsafe it is to go south of the border. Crime is rampant everywhere. The water will kill
you if the bad guys don't. Your women and children will be kidnapped. The cops are with the criminals. You could lose everything if you go. Stay at
home in your safe U.S. neighborhood.
The threat is real. Cyndarouh - 1-27-2005 at 12:55 PM
TW, Are you joking or was your post for real? You're saying Deb and I should stay home instead of getting away from husbands and work for three days.
Gee I wouldn't want to miss my cooking class at Baja Lang. School think the bads well get me ther? I do hope your post was in jest. I am going
anyway. I have NO FEAR and I know we will be safe. Pompano - 1-27-2005 at 01:10 PM
Cyndarouh, or course all of this is in jest...you will have a safe and happy trip like always...IF you practice some common sense.
Now if you will be carrying drugs, pistols, illegal aliens, terrorists, suitcase nukes, apple pies, etc. THEN you are in trouble...
To be absolutely safe I would turn that apple pie over to me....
[Edited on 10-16-2005 by Pompano]DanO - 1-27-2005 at 01:12 PM
MJ in Mulege? Lock your doors!
Entertainment
yankeeirishman - 1-27-2005 at 01:25 PM
This Baja Nomand site has got to be the best entertainment. Hell...I'm getting rid of the Dish, and just read this forum! The Jacko is great, BTW!Cyndarouh - 1-27-2005 at 01:55 PM
Pomano, NO Apple Pie???? I am bring several any way. We cant loose the pie lady title can we? I thank you all for the advice. We can all use a tune up
once in a while. If for any reason I had any fear I would not go. I pretty much know the ins and outs. and feel safer there than some places here in
the US.
Cynda Damn it!
jrbaja - 1-27-2005 at 02:08 PM
I am now tempted to drive from San Bartolo just to ambush you and your apple pie!!Cyndarouh - 1-27-2005 at 02:45 PM
Jr, will bring one for you when you get back up nth. Debbie says Hello and if we can get away from here and use our buddy passes well fly down south
and meet you some day here in the not so far future.. Is Carol home I emailed no replay from her. Guess we will see when we get thereTMW - 1-27-2005 at 07:48 PM
Well I guess my post was in jest, but it not a bad ideal to try and stop Americans and Canadians from coming down. More for me and you if you come.
Did I tell you about the bandits shooting at me from Tecate to Ensenada, I almost was killed, several times.Dave - 1-27-2005 at 08:10 PM
I checked the hotels in the Rosarito area. Bookings are normal for this time of year. No rash of cancelations.Cyndarouh - 1-27-2005 at 08:19 PM
Ensenada hotels are open to. Lucky us. Yahoo. Cooking Spanish class, Eating, Cooking, and learning new things. Meeting new people and also meeting Tio
Rocky what more could two Mountain girls ask for. I did hear the boarder crossing is real fast today. The best is falling to sleep with the waves
Friday night and the sun set. JR I will be thinking of u as us girls are really having fun. Hope Carol is around when we get down.
Ferna, why do you want people to register for a Kansas City newspaper??
Did Mrs. Ferna look over the photos from 2000 yet?bajalou - 1-27-2005 at 08:42 PM
I think TW's post should be taken as gospel by all of the non-Nomads out there. Baja Nomads, of course, know the real story.
BAJA STILL HAS SOME ROOM LEFT...COME ON DOWN!!
Pompano - 1-28-2005 at 07:16 AM
Bruce R Leech - 1-28-2005 at 07:29 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Pompano
this looks like a nice way to see the wildernesssurfer jim - 1-28-2005 at 09:47 AM
Pompano...I will have a good day today ....after seeing that photo....it has put a smile on my face....Fang - 1-28-2005 at 10:09 AM
The US State Dept's response:
WASHINGTON ? Twenty-seven Americans have been abducted in Mexico's northern border region over the past six months and two have been killed, the State
Department said Thursday.
Spokesman Richard Boucher cited those numbers in defending an alert to U.S. citizens about the risks of traveling in the area.
Mexican Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez said the State Department announcement, issued Wednesday, exaggerated the danger.
Boucher said he was aware of the Mexican objections but added that the administration believes it is important to inform Americans about security
along the border.
"We're aware of 27 incidents involving abductions of Americans, and that we know two of those Americans were killed and 11 remain missing and 14 were
eventually released," he said.
In addition to the public announcement, the U.S. ambassador to Mexico, Tony Garza, sent a letter to top Mexican officials saying he was concerned
growing drug-related violence and kidnappings in northern Mexico would have a chilling effect on cross-border trade and tourism.
BajaNomad - 1-28-2005 at 11:32 AM
Travel warning from the U.S. State Dept. was posted on 1/26:
Doug that is a PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT not a Warning. there is a big difference. please don't post it as a warning.
Please check the website
This is the best they can come up with?
Bajalero - 1-28-2005 at 12:08 PM
("Mexican Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez said the State Department announcement, issued Wednesday, exaggerated the danger. ")
Typical expected lazy - a** response.
Until it affects them economically , nothing changes.
(""We're aware of 27 incidents involving abductions of Americans, and that we know two of those Americans were killed and 11 remain missing and 14
were eventually released," he said."")
So , at this moment, there at least 11 missing , abducted Americans and the announcment is "exaggerated"
JESSE - 1-28-2005 at 01:07 PM
Your most likely to get killed in the freeway getting here, than to die at the hands of a drug trafficker.synch - 2-2-2005 at 01:49 PM
"...he overwhelming majority of the victims of violent crime have been Mexican citizens. Nonetheless, U.S. citizens should be aware of the risk posed
by the deteriorating security situation..."
This is a good warning.
It is always good advice to secure the drugs and cash while keeping the firearms close and loaded.
(chuckle...)
Reason for waning?
Anonymous - 2-4-2005 at 06:04 PM
I think this is a response to the 'guide for illegal aliens' pamphlet..
NeilM
Maybe the Warning will help.
clevenhagenjs - 2-8-2005 at 12:46 AM
Maybe the continued financial suffering of the people there due to the lack of Tourism will help to reform the way the City has some obligation to
promote and protect Tourism there. Some of the Mexican people are VERY rude to tourists and have the attitude " The people will always come to my
store"..make em suffer where it hurts...
[Edited on 2-8-2005 by clevenhagenjs]Cyndarouh - 2-9-2005 at 08:09 AM
I would say more rude Gringo's. Re: being safe in Baja. I was down in Ramona ordering a spare wheel and tire for our Baja trip at the end of this mth.
LOL a man came out of know where touched my hair and back side said some very vulger things I grabed my cell said if he didn't leave the shop he would
be hurt then in jail. He mention he would love us two women to hurt him. If he wouldn't have left we would have called the guys from the back of the
shop. Well after I hit him up side the head, with the tire iron I had in site. Sick person. Never in Baja has this happened to me.
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