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What about after?

rocmoc - 4-10-2016 at 07:39 AM

What do you plan to do when you pass away? Stay in Baja or shipped to Country of birth? Hope this does not offend anyone but was wondering because We are getting closer to that choice in our lives. Have never seen this talked about anywhere online.

Thanks,
rocmoc n AZ/Fld/Baja

shari - 4-10-2016 at 07:50 AM

My views on death and what happens after to my body have changed radically after living here in Baja and seeing how Mexicanos honour it and celebrate it. So I hope to be buried here...my dream is to lie in that teeny graveyard in San Roque that gets washed over by the hurricane swells once in awhile. My heart and happiness is here and here is where this bag of bones will remain...so come visit me and dance on my grave por favor!

David K - 4-10-2016 at 08:33 AM

Very cool Shari.

24baja - 4-10-2016 at 08:46 AM

We both want to be cremated and have our ashes put in a cement structure with long rebar arms and dropped at our favorite fishing hole here in Baja, that way our friends and family can say our name (with angst) each time they get snagged on the bottom.......

Udo - 4-10-2016 at 08:57 AM

In our case, our wish is to wrap a large anchor and chain to the legs and be dropped overboard from our kayak.

dtbushpilot - 4-10-2016 at 09:05 AM

I'll be through with my carcass at that time. I wish to be cremated, dump the ashes out the window of the car at a red light on the way home from picking them up......

bajaguy - 4-10-2016 at 09:11 AM

Check your u2u
Quote: Originally posted by rocmoc  
What do you plan to do when you pass away? Stay in Baja or shipped to Country of birth? Hope this does not offend anyone but was wondering because We are getting closer to that choice in our lives. Have never seen this talked about anywhere online.

Thanks,
rocmoc n AZ/Fld/Baja

DianaT - 4-10-2016 at 09:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rocmoc  
What do you plan to do when you pass away? Stay in Baja or shipped to Country of birth? Hope this does not offend anyone but was wondering because We are getting closer to that choice in our lives. Have never seen this talked about anywhere online.

Thanks,
rocmoc n AZ/Fld/Baja


Just a couple of things to remember. Always have your birth certificates and marriage license and a way to access quick cash.

When our friend suddenly passed away in Baja, they would not even allow his widow to see his remains until all fees were paid, and the paperwork completed.

It is something that should be talked about. Agreed upon plans make it easier for the survivor, and if those plans should probably be in writing to protect the survivor from other relatives.

Thanks for the thread.

Udo - 4-10-2016 at 09:32 AM

:bounce:

SFandH - 4-10-2016 at 09:35 AM

Hmm, never thought about it.

Perhaps the Boothill Cemetery in Tombstone AZ.

If not that, the closest incinerator will suffice.



[Edited on 4-10-2016 by SFandH]

bajaguy - 4-10-2016 at 09:39 AM

Needs to be a certified copy of each and apostilled, plus translated into Spanish by a certified translator. A legally prepared and filed Mexican will also helps
Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  

Just a couple of things to remember. Always have your birth certificates and marriage license......

SFandH - 4-10-2016 at 09:41 AM

I've heard that if you die in Mexico your survivors need to get a Mexican death certificate and take it to an American Embassy to get an American death certificate which will be needed to get access to the $42.00 you have in the bank.

True?

bajaguy - 4-10-2016 at 09:46 AM

With a Mexican death certificate, the US Consulate can handle all of the paperwork and provide a death certificate acceptable in the US. The Consulate will also notify the VA and Social Security.

YMMV depending on where you are and who you are dealing with


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Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
I've heard that if you die in Mexico your survivors need to get a Mexican death certificate and take it to an American Embassy to get an American death certificate which will be needed to get access to the $42.00 you have in the bank.

True?

cliffh - 4-10-2016 at 10:13 AM

Make sure you have a mexican will, us will means nothing

KurtG - 4-10-2016 at 10:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
I've heard that if you die in Mexico your survivors need to get a Mexican death certificate and take it to an American Embassy to get an American death certificate which will be needed to get access to the $42.00 you have in the bank.

True?


One of my kids is a signer on my meager bank accounts and if the Mexican authorities want to keep my body they are welcome to it.

David K - 4-10-2016 at 10:40 AM

My wish was to have my ashes buried in the sand dune on Shell Island by our campsite, just so I can stay there a little longer than a few days... It is my favorite Baja resting place. The past year, I have told Baja Angel that she doesn't need to do that, it was a silly thought. Funny how things change as you age.


woody with a view - 4-10-2016 at 10:45 AM

I want to be dumped off the OB Pier at Riptide Rights so I can swim with my Mom and Granny forever.

Good info on this thread so far. Please keep it on topic.

willardguy - 4-10-2016 at 10:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by 24baja  
We both want to be cremated and have our ashes put in a cement structure with long rebar arms and dropped at our favorite fishing hole here in Baja, that way our friends and family can say our name (with angst) each time they get snagged on the bottom.......


:lol: perfect!.....


micah202 - 4-10-2016 at 10:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
Quote: Originally posted by 24baja  
We both want to be cremated and have our ashes put in a cement structure with long rebar arms and dropped at our favorite fishing hole here in Baja, that way our friends and family can say our name (with angst) each time they get snagged on the bottom.......


:lol: perfect!.....



yeh,,, and you'll have all the illegal fishers will be shouting too!



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DavidT - 4-10-2016 at 11:34 AM

All you need is a pickup truck and sleeping bag.
And booze and bagpipes.

Abbey Burial

Fred Hoctor on dying in Mexico.

'Till Death Do Us Part

True story?
Of course, it has to be, it is on the internets.

BajaBlanca - 4-10-2016 at 12:08 PM

I would love to die and be buried here in our beautiful hilltop cemetery in La Bocana.

Les has already looked into plots, which really tickled the locals LOL

Where there's a will, there's a relative

pauldavidmena - 4-10-2016 at 12:11 PM

My wife and I have both wills and living wills, notarized and stashed away in a safety deposit box here in Cochituate. It does suggest the question of whether or not any of it is legally binding south of the border.

bajaguy - 4-10-2016 at 12:40 PM

Nope. You need a Mexican will south of the border. Ask any attorney or Notario in Mexico
Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena  
My wife and I have both wills and living wills, notarized and stashed away in a safety deposit box here in Cochituate. It does suggest the question of whether or not any of it is legally binding south of the border.

Mexitron - 4-10-2016 at 01:39 PM

We're taking Brooks Smith's (Taco de Baja) ashes down into the Sisters for one last ride on the waves. BTW a Cardon Cactus I've had for 30 years since buying it as a 2" pot in a Vista nursery has started blooming for the first time...we think Brooks has something to do with this!

when this is thru !

captkw - 4-10-2016 at 01:53 PM

as I get older and wiser, I think it might be better on "The other Side"

David K - 4-10-2016 at 03:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron  
We're taking Brooks Smith's (Taco de Baja) ashes down into the Sisters for one last ride on the waves. BTW a Cardon Cactus I've had for 30 years since buying it as a 2" pot in a Vista nursery has started blooming for the first time...we think Brooks has something to do with this!


Very nice!

pauldavidmena - 4-10-2016 at 03:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Nope. You need a Mexican will south of the border. Ask any attorney or Notario in Mexico


Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena  
My wife and I have both wills and living wills, notarized and stashed away in a safety deposit box here in Cochituate. It does suggest the question of whether or not any of it is legally binding south of the border.



Thanks! This is good to know, and is yet another addition to our growing Mexico to-do list. This whole thread has been extremely informative for Baja wannabees like me.

MMc - 4-10-2016 at 04:36 PM

My wish is to be dumped into any firepit in Baja and the friends have a shot and pour one for me on the fire. My friends have said they might have to filter it through their kidneys first.:lol::lol::lol:
Woody, I love yours.

rocmoc - 4-10-2016 at 05:57 PM

Good info and humor. So majority plan to remain in Baja in one form or the other. We had always planned a Green Burial, no body prep into a pine box in cemetery without headstones (GPS coord or detector marker for location).

Thanks for the responses thus far,
rocmoc n AZ/Fld/Baja

SFandH - 4-10-2016 at 06:05 PM

Burial seems to be a waste of land and money if you need to buy the hole first. Of course there is plenty of useless land in Baja.

Cardboard box into the incinerator is the simplest way.

[Edited on 4-11-2016 by SFandH]

bajaguy - 4-10-2016 at 08:31 PM

I believe that in the months of September and October, Attorneys and Notarios discount the cost of preparing a will.......at least in the TJ/Ensenada area
Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena  
Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Nope. You need a Mexican will south of the border. Ask any attorney or Notario in Mexico


Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena  
My wife and I have both wills and living wills, notarized and stashed away in a safety deposit box here in Cochituate. It does suggest the question of whether or not any of it is legally binding south of the border.



Thanks! This is good to know, and is yet another addition to our growing Mexico to-do list. This whole thread has been extremely informative for Baja wannabees like me.

motoged - 4-11-2016 at 11:38 AM

Good topic.....whether you die in Mexico or elsewhere.

As for "dump me in the firepit/incinerator" ideas....cremation requires a lot of BTU's not generated in a firepit or garbage burn barrel.....

After cremation, the remains are relatively intact skeletal (bone) pieces that are then ground up in an automatic mortar until they resemble fine grit/gravel....this silty gravel is what you get in the box/urn after it is all done.

When ashes are "spread" on water, they tend to settle in several different layers according to material consistency...creating a rather spooky effect in still water.

bodies dumped on a fire result in a charred greasy mass

MMc - 4-11-2016 at 11:45 AM

I should have stated that I was refering to my ashes. My buddies would have getting a body through a checkpoint.:bounce:
I didn't think, I needed to state the obvious.

woody with a view - 4-11-2016 at 12:20 PM

Mexitron, you're a fine friend!

AKgringo - 4-11-2016 at 12:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca  
I would love to die and be buried here in our beautiful hilltop cemetery in La Bocana.

Les has already looked into plots, which really tickled the locals LOL



Blanca, may I suggest an edit; 'When I die, I would love to be buried here.....'

You are sounding a little too eager the other way!

rts551 - 4-11-2016 at 12:51 PM

Neptune Society Will pick up your body world wide, take care of cremation, and return our ashes to where ever you desire.

bajaguy - 4-11-2016 at 01:03 PM

Who deals with the paperwork and government red tape??
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Neptune Society Will pick up your body world wide, take care of cremation, and return our ashes to where ever you desire.

rts551 - 4-11-2016 at 01:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Who deals with the paperwork and government red tape??

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Neptune Society Will pick up your body world wide, take care of cremation, and return our ashes to where ever you desire.


They say they do. Its part of the plan. I have not tried it yet.

chuckie - 4-11-2016 at 02:28 PM

The truth? From Fred Hoctor..?????You jest..

TedZark - 4-11-2016 at 04:21 PM

When I'm done, I'm done. If they don't want to release the body, they can keep it. Hopefully my widow will feel the same way. Have to sort that out...

DaliDali - 4-11-2016 at 08:07 PM

If a person owns property under a fideicomiso and a beneficiary is listed in the fidi......that document serves as a "will" in regards to the property.
Once the fidi holder is gone, the beneficiary provides the issuing bank the proper ID, death cert. and the actual fidi document and gets it in his/her name.

Once the bank issues a new fidi in the beneficiary's name, it has to go thru a notario to legal it all up.

I just spoke to an attorney today (April 11th) and this is what I was told is the procedure.

For other "stuff" such as vehicles, boats, quads, etc, a will be necessary to allow the release of this "stuff" upon death of the owner to the named bennie. Copies of the titles to any vehicles or boats are necessary.

Household goods.....micros, fridges, PC's, furniture, tools and so forth are deemed to be a part of the casa and being a fidi bennie would include those items. It is not necessary to provide bills of sale or receipts for household goods.

The sequence of events in obtaining a MX will is to have a certified translator prepare the text of the last will in Spanish.....then have an attorney draw up the documents in proper form, fully translated and present to an notario for his/her blessings via the multiple stamps and scribbly signatures.
Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Nope. You need a Mexican will south of the border. Ask any attorney or Notario in Mexico


Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena  
My wife and I have both wills and living wills, notarized and stashed away in a safety deposit box here in Cochituate. It does suggest the question of whether or not any of it is legally binding south of the border.

bajaguy - 4-11-2016 at 08:14 PM

Notario also records the document (will) in the records of the state capitol, in our case, Mexicali
Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  
If a person owns property under a fideicomiso and a beneficiary is listed in the fidi......that document serves as a "will" in regards to the property.
Once the fidi holder is gone, the beneficiary provides the issuing bank the proper ID, death cert. and the actual fidi document and gets it in his/her name.

Once the bank issues a new fidi in the beneficiary's name, it has to go thru a notario to legal it all up.

I just spoke to an attorney today (April 11th) and this is what I was told is the procedure.

For other "stuff" such as vehicles, boats, quads, etc, a will be necessary to allow the release of this "stuff" upon death of the owner to the named bennie. Copies of the titles to any vehicles or boats are necessary.

Household goods.....micros, fridges, PC's, furniture, tools and so forth are deemed to be a part of the casa and being a fidi bennie would include those items. It is not necessary to provide bills of sale or receipts for household goods.

The sequence of events in obtaining a MX will is to have a certified translator prepare the text of the last will in Spanish.....then have an attorney draw up the documents in proper form, fully translated and present to an notario for his/her blessings via the multiple stamps and scribbly signatures.


Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Nope. You need a Mexican will south of the border. Ask any attorney or Notario in Mexico


Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena  
My wife and I have both wills and living wills, notarized and stashed away in a safety deposit box here in Cochituate. It does suggest the question of whether or not any of it is legally binding south of the border.