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Minimun wage in Cabo

charliemanson - 5-23-2016 at 01:41 PM

This is crazy that the wage for non-skilled workers in CSL is 78 pesos/day as reported by the Gringo Gazette in its last issue. If so i, we, are probably spending WAY to much for our services here.

Any input?

Just sayin' that CSL is the most expensive place in all of Baja. Where we live it is the normal to be charged way more than that. Granted we all want to take care of our workers, but are they ripping us off? As a DS I pay 400 pesos for a sub-par cleaning of our home that takes 4 hours ,and more for other things. Maybe it is just me, and where we live?

Educated people in La Paz make 2000 pesos a week and I am dumb enough to pay a non educated cleaner 20% of that for 4 hours?

A fishing guide makes 400 pesos a day here and their esposa makes 3X that much for a day because "WE" pay it.
Maybe if all fo us quit paying too much (and tipping too much), paying too much for services may become more in line with what workers are used to. Just sayin'

vandenberg - 5-23-2016 at 01:56 PM

Charley.
That's a little over 5 bucks an hour. I suggest, like your namesake, to get yourself an ambitious wifey or girlfriend, who doesn't mind a little housework.
And...btw...that's about the going rate for domestics here in Loreto.

charliemanson - 5-23-2016 at 02:22 PM

Vandy, check your math. That equals 9.75 PESOS/ hour! I, fortunatly, have a nationalized wife who does make a lot more than most as an orthopeadic surgeon and actually passed math 101 unlike some. Just sayin'? Also nobody uses film anymore.

submarine_dbk - 5-23-2016 at 02:58 PM

78 pesos/day - I don't buy it. Sounds like a typo.

78 pesos/day == 9.75 pesos/hour which at conservative 14 pesos/$ is only 70 cents/hour. Who believes paying somebody less than $3.00 for half a days work is OK, no matter how menial the work might be? :?:

400 pesos/day == 50 pesos/hour which at 14 pesos/$ is still only $3.57/hour. Hardly a living wage, but certainly fairer.

vandenberg - 5-23-2016 at 03:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson

Vandy, check your math. That equals 9.75 PESOS/ hour! I, fortunatly, have a nationalized wife who does make a lot more than most as an orthopeadic surgeon and actually passed math 101 unlike some. Just sayin'? Also nobody uses film anymore.

OK math teacher.
The current exchange rate is 18.50 against the dollar. which means every 100 peso hour cost you $5.40
Better check your facts before putting your foot in your mouth, wise ass

carlosg - 5-23-2016 at 03:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson

...your pathetic!!! just like the sk..m bags in San Quintin paying $200.00 pesos a day for laborers to pick up their crops with no health benefits... just read the news:

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/articulo/english/2016/05/23/it...

...or think about how much purchase power the meager "salario mínimo" has regarding the "canasta basica" needs of a family:

http://www.economia-sniim.gob.mx/2010prueba/PreciosHoy.asp?C...

...so if you came to Baja to live like a "king" with a budget of exploitation, you should just go back wherever you came from!!! even illiterate Mexicans have a right to eat, dress and have a decent live... specially in their own country!!!

$78.00 pesos at $18.52 pesos per dollar at today's rate (http://www.x-rates.com/historical/?from=MXN&amount=1&...) equals $4.21 dollar a day!!! who the hell can live with that...!!! :mad:

[Edited on 5-23-2016 by carlosg]

monoloco - 5-23-2016 at 03:33 PM

The Federal minimum wage in Mexico is 73.04 pesos a day. That doesn't mean that anyone around here will work for that amount 3-500 pesos per day, plus benefits, for a gardener or a housekeeper is not uncommon.

mtgoat666 - 5-23-2016 at 03:41 PM

You are so cheap that you complain about paying $22 to get your house cleaned?!?!?!?
Why dont you pick your lazy butt off the couch and clean your own house????

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson

This is crazy that the wage for non-skilled workers in CSL is 78 pesos/day as reported by the Gringo Gazette in its last issue. If so i, we, are probably spending WAY to much for our services here.

Any input?

Just sayin' that CSL is the most expensive place in all of Baja. Where we live it is the normal to be charged way more than that. Granted we all want to take care of our workers, but are they ripping us off? As a DS I pay 400 pesos for a sub-par cleaning of our home that takes 4 hours ,and more for other things. Maybe it is just me, and where we live?

Educated people in La Paz make 2000 pesos a week and I am dumb enough to pay a non educated cleaner 20% of that for 4 hours?

A fishing guide makes 400 pesos a day here and their esposa makes 3X that much for a day because "WE" pay it.
Maybe if all fo us quit paying too much (and tipping too much), paying too much for services may become more in line with what workers are used to. Just sayin'

pacsur - 5-23-2016 at 04:08 PM

Many of the wealthier Mexicans usually bring a maid over from mainland where the labor rate and cost of living are much, much less.
The maids generally live with the family, room and board is covered and they send their lower salaries back home to their families.
Option two is to have a Mexican family here with a relative on mainland that wants to come over and work for a year or two at a lower price, they live with their relatives here but send most of salary home.
$400p for a 4 hour cleaning is cheap here.

durrelllrobert - 5-23-2016 at 04:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by submarine_dbk

78 pesos/day - I don't buy it. Sounds like a typo.

78 pesos/day == 9.75 pesos/hour which at conservative 14 pesos/$ is only 70 cents/hour. Who believes paying somebody less than $3.00 for half a days work is OK, no matter how menial the work might be? :?:

400 pesos/day == 50 pesos/hour which at 14 pesos/$ is still only $3.57/hour. Hardly a living wage, but certainly fairer.

78 pesos/day is the current MINIMUM wage established by Mexico City for UN SKILLED LAORERS such as field workers and SEMI-SKILLED WORKERS (housekeepers/ gardners) typically make about 700 pesos/ day. SKILLED workers such as mechanics/ carpenters typically make about 1000P/day. PS: don't ever agree to pay them by the hour becuse if you do you must also pay their social security

SFandH - 5-23-2016 at 04:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson

Yeah I have some input. :lol:

But first I gotta know, do you have a swastika carved in your forehead?

You're trollin', aren't ya?

Anyway, these data indicate the average daily wage in Mexico is about 300 pesos, or 38 pesos per hour, or about 2.20 per hour.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/mexico/wages

Way cheap, no wonder there are so many poor people in Mexico.

[Edited on 5-23-2016 by SFandH]

alacran - 5-23-2016 at 05:49 PM

The reason for all this is due to stupid gringos, that used to call the peso monopoly money, opened their hands (did not know the value of the peso, and did not care) and said take what you (need) want.
I do not blame anyone not taking advantage of that situation.
Is not Mexicans fault.

UnoMas - 5-23-2016 at 07:18 PM

Charlie $5-$8 dollars per hour is normal from my experience. Why don't you try to feed your family and put gas in your car for $5.00 an hour....

dtbushpilot - 5-24-2016 at 02:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson

Yes Charlie, you're getting ripped off, anyone can see that. Don't let them take advantage of you, clean your own house, clean your own yard....problem solved. These people think they can get away with anything, quit being a victim....

charliemanson - 5-24-2016 at 04:30 PM

Ok , back from fishin' . Good day. I was just putting out what was placed before me in a "newspaper (rag). The math is correct and a little disturbing if the "gazettes" facts were correct.

No complaining or trolling. Just wanted some info.And did get some good and some stupid.

Me thinks I like to employ locals and me thinks they may be wanting too much especially in high season. Maybe to hold them through the slow season.
I just does want to find out what others thank. I does come to conclusion dat day is much smarter dan I.

Last time I checke me iphone 78/8+ 9.75 .Maybe da stupid phone not work no more

charliemanson - 5-24-2016 at 04:53 PM

OK, first drink done!

Lets see.... Beach house just up graded.

200 pesos/ day for concrete mixer guy.
300 pesos/day elec/plumber.
200 pesos/day painter.
250 block layer dude...
20% contractor (gringo)

Orthopeadic scrub tech 2000 pesos/ week
Ortho practice mananger 2000 pesos/ week
Receptionist 1500 pesos/week

House cleaner and gardener as based on ONLY MY experience here near La Paz extrapolated out per week 400 pesos/4hours X5 days = 4000 pesos per week.

Just doubled checkar me iphone on da math...

I am only saying that maybe we as a whole are setting our selves up to pay more than maybe we should for some things,

gotta go beat the wife and make here clean da house after being in surgery all day.

DENNIS - 5-24-2016 at 05:31 PM

My help, cleaning lady, handyman, gardener, are paid 125 Ps per hour. Others here, with the same people working for them, pay the same.
These workers aren't downtrodden field hands.

mojo_norte - 5-24-2016 at 07:00 PM

If dey be da good help - why not pay dem da good wage dey deserve. You can afford dat wit dat Cabo beach house. and don't forget dat Christmas bonus .

Alm - 5-24-2016 at 07:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson

A fishing guide makes 400 pesos a day here and their esposa makes 3X that much for a day because "WE" pay it.
Maybe if all fo us quit paying too much (and tipping too much), paying too much for services may become more in line with what workers are used to. Just sayin'

You've answered your own question - somebody makes 400, somebody - 1200. Because we are paying. Stop paying for non-essential services then, learn how to fish and be your own guide.

It's funny to hear homeowners in Cabo complaining on paying what is less than a half of the US prices. Though I realize that there are expats on fixed income that just live there because they've been living here for half a century.

Mexicans not engaged in gringo service, like unskilled labor from the mainland working for Mex construction in Cabo - not a small crew building your home but those building hotels etc - possibly they make 78, yes. Because there is a whole sh-tload of contractors, subcontractors and top guys taking the bulk of money. Not much different from the US, dog eats dog in this great country, big news.

mtgoat666 - 5-24-2016 at 07:48 PM

It is so annoying listening to gringo retirees complaining about Mexicans. Why don't you gray hair whiners all pack up and go home?!?!?

vandenberg - 5-24-2016 at 08:18 PM

Charley.
Your trying at pidgin English is pathetic, but actually up to par with your regular command of the English language.
If I were you I would brush up on some on my spelling and grammar so educated wifey can be duly proud of you.
Did you finish any kind of schooling??

[Edited on 5-25-2016 by vandenberg]

carlosg - 5-24-2016 at 09:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson

Orthopeadic scrub tech 2000 pesos/ week
Ortho practice mananger 2000 pesos/ week
Receptionist 1500 pesos/week

Including what benefits? And what benefits are you providing to your part time housecleaner? That really needs to be considered when comparing this stuff...

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IMSS.... Infonavit.... ISR.... be careful NOT to pis...off your housecleaner or she just might ask for some ayuda legal... and then you'll certainly have to move sorry ars to where ever you come from...

Alm - 5-25-2016 at 12:00 AM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson

200 pesos/ day for concrete mixer guy.
300 pesos/day elec/plumber.
200 pesos/day painter.
250 block layer dude...
20% contractor (gringo)

These prices are lower - much lower - than what people normally pay in less expensive places of Baja. If anybody is being ripped off, it's not you, IMO.

Cancamo - 5-25-2016 at 12:36 PM

BCS, highest cost of living in the Republic other than el Distrito Federal.

National minimum wages are not the going rate throughout the country, it's like everywhere, "whatever the market will bear".

Like some above have said, if you can't pay the freight, clean your house yourself you CHEAP MOFO!

Like many people years ago, they came here for the cheap cigarettes and booze, times change.....

charliemanson - 5-25-2016 at 01:06 PM

lencho, you have a good point. They are in fact recieving an retierment plan unlike the unskilled labor that I did not consider when evaluating what is paid for services.

I still feel 400-500 pesos for 3 hours of nobrainer work is a little much as compared to the guy pushing concrete in the heat for 200 a day without benifits maybe. Just sayin'.

I don't live in Cabo or have an estravagant home on the beach. Just looking for a simple discussion on wages. Was not looking for angery people with no life to chime in. (Vandy) You must have found a bean counter next to your film camera and did the math. DS

2 Marlin released today and home was clean when I got back!!!

Bajaboy - 5-25-2016 at 01:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson

lencho, you have a good point. They are in fact recieving an retierment plan unlike the unskilled labor that I did not consider when evaluating what is paid for services.

I still feel 400-500 pesos for 3 hours of nobrainer work is a little much as compared to the guy pushing concrete in the heat for 200 a day without benifits maybe. Just sayin'.

I don't live in Cabo or have an estravagant home on the beach. Just looking for a simple discussion on wages. Was not looking for angery people with no life to chime in. (Vandy) You must have found a bean counter next to your film camera and did the math. DS

2 Marlin released today and home was clean when I got back!!!

Curious....what's the going rate to tip the captain and deckhands?

mtgoat666 - 5-25-2016 at 03:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson

Curious....what's the going rate to tip the captain and deckhands?

I am sure charles manson is a bad tipper, and probably has no idea what going rate is.

BornFisher - 5-25-2016 at 04:00 PM

Curious...................... is your housekeeper cute?

charliemanson - 5-26-2016 at 09:27 AM

Housekeeper...not so much.

Tipping is a good question. In the states it was common to divide the bill by 7 and round up. It always worked out...that is if you can divide or forgot your bean counter.

Here it does depend on service more so than in the states although I an not sure why. I see everything from 20% to 2%. Or maybe more, what you are charge for services. I will not tip the beer guy at Cerritos beach because he charges 150 pesos for one beer and will not allow you to bring your own to a federal zone. (thats another thread)

Unrelated to the original question of what is normal pay for unskilled workers per day, is what happened down here 15 years ago regarding tipping. No tipping here was expected in this villiage. People started leaving tips and the next year the price of "tacos" went up 10-20%. The next year, the same. When the question was brought up as to why, it was said because people keep leaving more money than we charged so we started charging more. ???? Did "WE" help create this expectation by our culture?

By the way, I probably tip to much and therefore have caused the whole problem :biggrin:

willardguy - 5-26-2016 at 12:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson

Housekeeper...not so much.

Tipping is a good question. In the states it was common to divide the bill by 7 and round up. It always worked out...that is if you can divide or forgot your bean counter.

Here it does depend on service more so than in the states although I an not sure why. I see everything from 20% to 2%. Or maybe more, what you are charge for services. I will not tip the beer guy at Cerritos beach because he charges 150 pesos for one beer and will not allow you to bring your own to a federal zone. (thats another thread)

Unrelated to the original question of what is normal pay for unskilled workers per day, is what happened down here 15 years ago regarding tipping. No tipping here was expected in this villiage. People started leaving tips and the next year the price of "tacos" went up 10-20%. The next year, the same. When the question was brought up as to why, it was said because people keep leaving more money than we charged so we started charging more. ???? Did "WE" help create this expectation by our culture?

By the way, I probably tip to much and therefore have caused the whole problem :biggrin:

eight dollar beers....I'd find another beach!

MitchMan - 5-26-2016 at 12:40 PM

At a bar on the Malecon in La Paz, the bartender said that he makes 25 pesos per hour plus tips.

A guy behind the counter at the INM told me two years ago that he makes about $2,300 MXN per week for a 30 hour week.

I read that policemen in La Paz make the equivalent of $550 USD per month.

I have paid people to clean my yard at the rate of about 45 pesos per hour or $16 to $22 USD per day.

FWIW, I don't like over tipping or under tipping and the best criterion is to make a good faith judgment on the level of earnest effort and energy and level of care that a worker applies to their work and then reward it with a reasonable and prudent tip if you feel that the amount that you pay (without the tip) doesn't adequately reward the person for the job they have done.
Some guys ask for high pay to start with and then they do a good job. I don't tip them much, if at all, but I make it known to them that I thought their work was good and that I will certainly use them the next time. Giving them future work will be appreciated by them and that is good business for both us.

When it comes to restaurants, people customarily tip based on a percentage of the bill. WRONG. I tip based on the service. So, I might tip the same for the same work performed whether I am dining at Viejo II on the Malecon or at Tres Virgenes. I tip on the effort, energy, time, and care, not a % of the bill. Also, I try to estimate what my tip would be paying them on a per hour basis if everyone tipped them like I would. Doesn't make sense to tip so high that they are making per hour more than a teacher who has to complete a four year degree where as it takes 3 days to 2 weeks to train a waiter/waitress? Not to me. But it's a free country.

If you are investment rich and make your money from what the IRS calls "unearned income" or passive investment income (generically called "rents"), I suggest tipping a great deal to get that money that made you rich back to the working class that actually makes the products and services that is the actual and only original intrinsic value created in the economy.

[Edited on 5-26-2016 by MitchMan]

willardguy - 5-26-2016 at 12:55 PM

:lol:

gringo's, they got it all figured out don't they!

bezzell - 5-26-2016 at 01:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy

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eight dollar beers....I'd find another beach!

charlie, the math genius!