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New locked Gate 2

bajatrailrider - 8-23-2016 at 08:28 PM

Ok fellow off road people. This is for off road people to post how to get along with Ranchers/people in Baja. Also good deeds,please do not post about politics in the US,or any Nomad B.S. To start with I have done rides to rise money for the kinder-garden here.Also helped on rides to rise money for local water district. Every year I take Volunteers from the states on off road ride.That work at Santa Marta for two weeks. Also from other off road people how do you react with ranchers.When passing there land,also give good tip to off road people.That are just starting off road.There is no locked gate number 2,had to start over because all the B.S.

ehall - 8-24-2016 at 04:41 AM

Thanks for the change Larry. I know stopping and attempting a conversation with the ranch owner or workers goes a long way. A smile is the same in any language. Be considerate. I never understood the do whatever you want mentality.

chuckie - 8-24-2016 at 05:35 AM

I think part of that problem stems from the "I talked to a guy, who talked to a guy who said the landowner didn't care"......I cant even count the number of times I heard that. When asked for the name of the person they talked to..it was always something like "He was in a pickup" or something equally vague. AND I think a lot of people just don't care. Many of us reached the point where it was No access, no exceptions. It likely will be worse in Mexico where many gringos dont have the respect for "Mexicans'" they should have. It's their country and their ground. RESPECT

bajabuddha - 8-24-2016 at 05:53 AM

Years ago we had a Canadian neighbor on Requeson with a new Razr that loved tearing everything up. I don't mean staying on roads; tearing up new terrain, and drunker than a baboon in a rum factory, and just as dumb. He'd scream through others' camps war-whooping and yelling "IT'S MEXICO ! ! THERE ARE NO RULES ! ! " My Mexican neidhbor put up a rope tope w/ sign, and he was gonna pull it away; unfortunately a small rock bit his toe and he fell face-first into his firewood bundle he tied on the back; split his nose wide open. I never laughed so hard for a full afternoon in my life.

Moral is, a lot of gringos come south because they think it's the 'wild-wooly-west, and it AIN'T. There are rules, written and unwritten, and laws to abide. Courtesy goes a loooong way.

cj5orion - 8-24-2016 at 07:02 AM

:light::o

",please do not post about politics in the US,or any Nomad B.S."

hehehe

they wont listen !
probably hi jack this thread too !

ps:never had the pleasure to off-road in Baja...yet
but I do have a '80 cj5...constantly under renovation !!!

rts551 - 8-24-2016 at 07:11 AM

As a coordinator for local off-road races, I found out quickly the world of Baja is changing. It is growing up. Empty ejido land is no longer available to run across, fences are going up, and property owners are becoming more vocal in their opposition to people crossing their lands. Should we be surprised or upset? not really.

bajatrailrider - 8-24-2016 at 07:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by cj5orion  
:light::o

",please do not post about politics in the US,or any Nomad B.S."

hehehe

they wont listen !
probably hi jack this thread too !

ps:never had the pleasure to off-road in Baja...yet
but I do have a '80 cj5...constantly under renovation !!!
I think your right about hi jack this tread,lets see the first nomad to blow it.:)

chuckie - 8-24-2016 at 07:58 AM

You just did...

bajatrailrider - 8-24-2016 at 08:25 AM

Rt is right Baja is changing. My thing is to go on abandoned routes,that are no longer used or known.Example 50 miles from here we have been looking for route South then East. To get up to Forest after 30 years we found it.Me and a local rancher on bikes,first time after long ride.We get to small trailer up on hill Two cowboys eating lunch not too friendly. We are at gate 40 ft away we don't cross it. We yell could we talk to you they wave us in.After talking sharing food they state owner lives in my town. They give us access to pass,but say next time talk to the owner. We find one of the last routes (moto only) that goes where we want.Fighting brush/rocks and such many dead ends.Next step when we get home asking around I find where owner lives 3 blocks away. He is not home but his son is.Says he will be on rancho in 3 days talk to him there.So back again long haul this time on three bikes, two of them Mexican ranchers. As we are going up steep winding mountain road very narrow. On blind turn we are going,walking speed single file.Down hill owner in big 4x4 with horse trailer full. We meet he already knows who we are.We talk and comment about this fancy truck he has. He ends up granting us permission with conditions. He states please no GPS/or have others come here without the 3 of you.Also the first time I come around turn have near miss No Mas.Also if I catch someone else here,and they use your name to say its Ok. We will detain them we shake on it. To date his very large family comes to my home.For Moto tires used or tubes that you cant get here. They offer to pay I refuse just give it to them.Sorry for so long winded but I just wanted to tell,other unreasonable people.Like in the first thread how they ruin it for all. By the way this person as far as I know has not made amends to other rancho,or even talked about this.

David K - 8-24-2016 at 08:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  

Rt is right Baja is changing.

My thing is to go on abandoned routes that are no longer used or known. Example 50 miles from here we have been looking for route South then East. To get up to Forest after 30 years we found it. Me and a local rancher on bikes, first time after long ride. We get to small trailer up on hill Two cowboys eating lunch not too friendly. We are at gate 40 ft away we don't cross it. We yell could we talk to you they wave us in.

After talking sharing food they state owner lives in my town. They give us access to pass, but say next time talk to the owner. We find one of the last routes (moto only) that goes where we want. Fighting brush/rocks and such many dead ends. Next step when we get home asking around I find where owner lives 3 blocks away. He is not home but his son is. Says he will be on rancho in 3 days talk to him there.

So back again long haul this time on three bikes, two of them Mexican ranchers. As we are going up steep winding mountain road very narrow. On blind turn, we are going, walking speed single file. Down hill owner in big 4x4 with horse trailer full. We meet he already knows who we are. We talk and comment about this fancy truck he has. He ends up granting us permission with conditions. He states please no GPS/or have others come here without the 3 of you.

Also, the first time I come around turn have near miss No Mas. Also if I catch someone else here, and they use your name to say its Ok. We will detain them we shake on it. To date, his very large family comes to my home. For Moto tires used or tubes that you cant get here. They offer to pay I refuse just give it to them.

Sorry for so long winded but I just wanted to tell, other unreasonable people. Like in the first thread how they ruin it for all. By the way, this person as far as I know has not made amends to other rancho or even talked about this.


Thank you, Larry!

[Edited on 8-24-2016 by David K]

bajatrailrider - 8-25-2016 at 02:56 PM

David I hope that people will respect gate closed number 2.So only off road people can help each other.Also people wanting off road info coming to Baja. Your maps have helped me a lot thank you. I'm still old school no GPS just a 30/40 year old map. It is amazing all the routs we find that are not on maps. When we find on my old map dirt road (Marked) its just a tight cow trail for motos. When we find (marked) trail, most have taken us 3/5 years to find the whole route. On one such ride one rider did have GPS on his bike. We are in tight canyon,fighting deep mud/large rocks/tree roots/thick brush. His GPS shows a road 4 miles away. To bad the gps did not say it was a death march to get there.

ehall - 8-25-2016 at 07:47 PM

Haha . Death march. I was just on one last weekend. Reminds me of the guys that look at Google Earth and say if you can see it you should be able to ride it. Good luck with that.

willardguy - 8-27-2016 at 10:40 AM

closed areas and locked gates, imagine the logistics involved in putting on the B1K! not a surprise we're not seeing anything special for the 50th....:(

chippy - 8-27-2016 at 03:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
closed areas and locked gates, imagine the logistics involved in putting on the B1K! not a surprise we're not seeing anything special for the 50th....:(


They should just move it somewhere else like DAKAR. Argentina would be way better for the baja 1000. Just think ruta 40. Similiar desert, better food and waaayyy better wine!

willardguy - 8-27-2016 at 03:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chippy  
Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
closed areas and locked gates, imagine the logistics involved in putting on the B1K! not a surprise we're not seeing anything special for the 50th....:(


They should just move it somewhere else like DAKAR. Argentina would be way better for the baja 1000. Just think ruta 40. Similiar desert, better food and waaayyy better wine!


yup, I see more mainland racing on the horizon...the sonora rally was awesome!

chuckie - 8-27-2016 at 03:24 PM

Dakar is NOT in Argentina...DUH!

mtgoat666 - 8-27-2016 at 03:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
closed areas and locked gates, imagine the logistics involved in putting on the B1K! not a surprise we're not seeing anything special for the 50th....:(


Look at it from the land owners perspective. Roads cost money to maintain, and may last for a long time w/ little maintenance if used little and gently. The Baja 1k rips up roads, sometimes leaving road in pretty bad shape :no:

chippy - 8-27-2016 at 03:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Dakar is NOT in Argentina...DUH!


OK sorry chuchucky. THE DAKAR RALLY. :lol:

[Edited on 8-27-2016 by chippy]

Bajahowodd - 8-27-2016 at 04:53 PM



Moral is, a lot of gringos come south because they think it's the 'wild-wooly-west, and it AIN'T. There are rules, written and unwritten, and laws to abide. Courtesy goes a loooong way. [/rquote]

So true.

TMW - 8-27-2016 at 05:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
closed areas and locked gates, imagine the logistics involved in putting on the B1K! not a surprise we're not seeing anything special for the 50th....:(


Norman has said he plans to do a Baja 2000 type race for the 50th next year, like 1800 miles. All the races this year are being filmed and a special will be out for the Baja 1000 in 2017.

As far as the locked gates for the SCORE races Score works with the locals and ranches and some areas are off limits to pre-running. The problem is people coming down and just going where ever they want without regard to the property owner.

rts551 - 8-27-2016 at 05:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
closed areas and locked gates, imagine the logistics involved in putting on the B1K! not a surprise we're not seeing anything special for the 50th....:(


Norman has said he plans to do a Baja 2000 type race for the 50th next year, like 1800 miles. All the races this year are being filmed and a special will be out for the Baja 1000 in 2017.

As far as the locked gates for the SCORE races Score works with the locals and ranches and some areas are off limits to pre-running. The problem is people coming down and just going where ever they want without regard to the property owner.


They already announced the schedule for next year. Ensenada to La Paz. normal mileage.

rts551 - 8-27-2016 at 06:03 PM

2017 SCORE Race Schedule Released
Including 50th Baja 1000 Details

SCORE will be celebrating its 50th anniversary of the iconic SCORE Baja 1000 in 2017, and today it announced the four-race schedule for the 2017 SCORE World Desert Championship. Next year’s series will will feature all four races in Baja, Mexico, for the second time in the storied history of the internationally-televised desert racing series.

The big news for next year’s monumental Baja 1000 is that it will be a “peninsula run” or point-to-point race, starting in Ensenada, Baja California and finish in La Paz, Baja California Sur. The 50th running of the Baja 1000 will run roughly 1,300 miles in total. SCORE says this is the 43rd time the race will start in Ensenada and 22nd time it will finish in La Paz. The race will start on Thursday, Nov. 16 to begin its rugged journey to the southern part of Baja.

“SCORE has been building the operational and marketing assets for the past few years preparing for this historic 2017 global event and season,” said Roger Norman, CEO and President of SCORE International. “Mexican races are the cornerstone of SCORE and to have all four races South of the border is an distinct honor and a wonderful privilege. We welcome the challenge to add to the illustrious SCORE Baja racing legacy.”

As for the complete 2017 schedule, there will be four races in total, including the San Felipe 250, Baja 500, Rosarito Beach SCORE Desert Challenge, and the Baja 1000. Here’s the schedule:

Round 1: 31st SCORE San Felipe 250, March 30-April 2 in San Felipe, Baja California, Mexico
Round 2: 49th SCORE Baja 500, June 1-5, in Ensenada, Baja California, Mexico
Round 3: Rosarito Beach 21st SCORE Desert Challenge, Sept. 14-17 in Rosarito Beach, Baja California
Round 4: 50th SCORE Baja 1000, Nov. 14-18 Ensenada to La Paz

SCORE also said it is finalizing plans for the SCORE World Desert Championship series to air on the CBS Sports Network and internationally through syndication.

“With the diligence and creativity of award-winning BCII TV, SCORE has had a continuing viable domestic television package with the CBS Sports Network as our partner as well as with our expanding international syndication platform,” commented Jim Ryan, SCORE Sales and Marketing Director. “The introduction of the highly successful live-feed programming and SCORE app, social media growth and the SCORE Journal and website’s unprecedented viewer/reader growth has continued to expand the exposure for SCORE races, racers, sponsors to our global fan base.”

Director Dana Brown has also been working on new film Dust2Glory as well, a followup to the original 2005 Dust to Glory film. The film was shot during the 2015 Baja 1000 and has followed the 2016 season, with the release scheduled for 2017 in conjunction with the 50th anniversary of the SCORE Baja 1000.

For more information, visit www.score-international.com

TMW - 8-27-2016 at 06:26 PM

Thanks I had not seen that.

willardguy - 8-27-2016 at 06:50 PM

well there was alot of hopeful speculation that didn't come to fruition...from RDC

Yes a name change is coming soon : :rolleyes:
South of
California
Offroad
Racing
Enterprise
:lol:

The First Dozen 1000 Races

David K - 8-27-2016 at 07:08 PM

1,300 miles for a traditionally 900+/- mile race course (Ensenada - La Paz) means a few side to side wiggles down the peninsula.

I remember the early 1000 races:

Officially called the MEXICAN 1000 from 1967-1972, organized by NORRA.

1967: Tijuana to La Paz (the real racing began after a restart in Ensenada). The race course was Hwy. 1 (pavement ended north of Colonet and began again 100 miles north of La Paz) except between San Ignacio and La Poza Grande.

1968, 1969, 1970, 1971: the race started in Ensenada and ran the same route as 1967.

1972: The race started in Mexicali, went 95 miles down Hwy. 5 then turned west to San Matias Pass and from there it was racers choice of either going through Mike's Sky Rancho to Camalu on Hwy. 1 or to Valle de Trinidad and on to Hwy. 1 just south of San Vicente and on south. Camalu on to La Paz was the same as the previous years.

1973: NORRA was removed as the race promoter and the Baja Sports Committee (BSC) took over. The race course (in order to avoid most of the brand new pavement from San Quintin to San Ignacio) went from Ensenada to San Felipe (that was mostly dirt still) then south through Bahia de los Angeles, San Rafael, El Arco and south from there on the previous course. BSC had a major fail, lost the money that was to pay the winners, and that was the only 1000 race they ran!

1974: Baja California government officials contacted Mickey Thompson who recently created SCORE, a Short Course Off Road Event promoter and asked him to take over operating races in their state.

The July 1974 SCORE Baja Internacional (a 400-mile race out of Ensenada) was a huge success and guaranteed SCORE a long contract in Baja California. There was not enough time for SCORE to organize a 1000 that November, so 1974 was the ONLY year without a 1000 race. It had nothing to do with any gasoline shortage as some modern history writers have said. Mexico has independent fuel supply, unaffected by the Arab embargo of 1973.

1975: The FIRST SCORE Baja 1000, a loop race in the northern state, starting and ending in Ensenada. Furthest point south (for most of the classes) was near Punta Santa Rosalillita. Class 6, 7, 11 was allowed to skip the Seven Sisters section as they considered the silt and other parts impossible to get their 2WD production race vehicles through. They ran Hwy. 1 to the Calamajué Canyon road where it met the course coming north from Punta Prieta.

1976, 1977 where smaller loop races and called 'Baja 1000 Km.'

1978 was a bit longer and ran down Arroyo Matomi for the first time before heading back to Ensenada.

1979 was the FIRST SCORE BAJA 1000 to run to La Paz (from Ensenada) via San Felipe, Mission San Borja, El Arco and on the traditional route south. It took that long for SCORE to work out the details with the government of Baja California Sur.


Edit:
One of the most famous racers of those years was Parnelli Jones. Using his Bill Stroppe/ Dick Russell prepared 2WD funny car (the first trophy truck, really), sponsored by Olympia Beer (The Big Oly Bronco), Parnelli won (overall) the 1971 and 1972 Mexican 1000 races. He also won (overall) the 1970 and 1973 Baja 500.

At the 1974 SCORE Baja Internacional, Parnelli hit a (non racer) motorcycle rider who was going the wrong way on the course... that was the last time Parnelli raced the Big Oly Bronco.

In 1975, Parnelli introduced a yellow Chevy Blazier version of Big Oly but did not have success with it. Sold to Frank 'Scoop' Vessels, that Blazier did go on to win.



[Edited on 8-28-2016 by David K]

bajatrailrider - 8-28-2016 at 08:24 AM

Thanks David on some history always interesting.

TMW - 8-28-2016 at 10:04 AM

The last run to La Paz was 1275 miles in 2014. Next years run could be nearly the same. There are a lot of places to add mileage, a little here and a little there.



[Edited on 8-28-2016 by TMW]

rts551 - 8-28-2016 at 10:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
The last run to La Paz was 1275 miles in 2014. Next years run could be nearly the same. There are a lot of places to add mileage, a little here and a little there.



[Edited on 8-28-2016 by TMW]

But a lot of that 1275 was under speed restrictions. (read blacktop or residential areas). But it was still tough.


[Edited on 8-28-2016 by rts551]

TMW - 8-28-2016 at 11:17 AM

They will either not go by Cocos or come down from Gonzaga Bay since the Calamajue wash is off limits.

David K - 8-28-2016 at 11:20 AM

Maybe take a dozer and open up the abandoned mine wagon road that is between Laguna Chapala and Calamajué? I will guess Grosso or Daggett had it made as a short cut?

[Edited on 8-29-2016 by David K]

TMW - 8-28-2016 at 11:24 AM

I just hope they don't run down the hwy at Catavina to Chapala.

Bajahowodd - 8-29-2016 at 04:46 PM

Anyone ever think about leaving the people of Baja in peace and stop digging up the dust and making a crapload of noise?

I know I will be inundated with stuff. But, for over three decades, I have enjoyed my travels in Baja in a car. I guess I.m a pussy.

chuckie - 8-29-2016 at 05:24 PM

I don't think anyone will argue that last, Wodd...

dtbushpilot - 8-29-2016 at 05:49 PM

I think that would be a great idea but it's not all about what we think. Having been involved in Baja racing a bit I can tell you that a lot of people really enjoy the spectacle especially the locals. The Baja races are a really big deal to the majority of the local residents. They don't seem to mind the dust, noise and inconvenience, they love it and make a several day party of it.

I personally hate the Baja races, not because of the annoyance but because my friends and family are participating in an extremely dangerous undertaking and I don't like that part. I love riding off road in Baja and put in a few thousand miles a year but not at the "race spectacle". I do however provide support during the races for our team and even do some prerunning with my son, I wish they would quit coming down here, I spend race day physically ill.

There are a number of reasons why the MX government embraces off road racing but the support of the local population is a big factor.

I know some of you won't agree with me, I don't care....but you already knew that. Have your own opinion, it's ok I support alternate opinions...

We encounter locked gates now and then while prerunning....does that keep this from being a hijack?

[Edited on 8-30-2016 by dtbushpilot]

chuckie - 8-29-2016 at 06:04 PM

Well spoke!

rts551 - 8-29-2016 at 06:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot  
I think that would be a great idea but it's not all about what we think. Having been involved in Baja racing a bit I can tell you that a lot of people really enjoy the spectacle especially the locals. The Baja races are a really big deal to the majority of the local residents. They don't seem to mind the dust, noise and inconvenience, they love it and make a several day party of it.

I personally hate the Baja races, not because of the annoyance but because my friends and family are participating in an extremely dangerous undertaking and I don't like that part. I love riding off road in Baja and put in a few thousand miles a year but not at the "race spectacle". I do however provide support during the races for our team and even do some prerunning with my son, I wish they would quit coming down here, I spend race day physically ill.

There are a number of reasons why the MX government embraces off road racing but the support of the local population is a big factor.

I know some of you won't agree with me, I don't care....but you already knew that. Have your own opinion, it's ok I support alternate opinions...

We encounter locked gates now and then while prerunning....does that keep this from being a hijack?

[Edited on 8-30-2016 by dtbushpilot]


Only if you do not carry bolt cutters. On this one, I understand how DT feels. Its always a high stress period. All the locals having a good time while I am on pins and needles thinking they should be here by now.

bajatrailrider - 8-29-2016 at 06:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd  
Anyone ever think about leaving the people of Baja in peace and stop digging up the dust and making a crapload of noise?

I know I will be inundated with stuff. But, for over three decades, I have enjoyed my travels in Baja in a car. I guess I.m a pussy.
Locked gate 2 is for off road people not for you pavement car people. Why should I do as you do??????? Why not let us alone???? Your not a pussy you just like to drive on the pavement. We like adventure to each his own.:) Live and let live.

Bajahowodd - 8-30-2016 at 04:40 PM

There are millions of acres in the Mojave desert. Why mess with the nice folks in Baja? Just wondering.

bajabuddha - 8-30-2016 at 04:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd  
..... for over three decades, I have enjoyed my travels in Baja in a car. I guess I.m a pussy.


BRAVO! Well spoken, couldn't have said it better myself. :rolleyes: :lol:

chuckie - 8-30-2016 at 04:52 PM

Subtle!

bent-rim - 8-30-2016 at 05:44 PM

We always close gates we open and leave open gates open. I often wonder if the open gates should be closed in case they were left open by a less courteous off roader. Seems to be less gates the further south you go.

TMW - 8-30-2016 at 06:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd  
There are millions of acres in the Mojave desert. Why mess with the nice folks in Baja? Just wondering.


First of all much of the Mojave desert is off limits to any racing. It has to be on a OHV area. There is racing on those areas and there are several promoters that race there but they have to jump thru many hoops to do so. That's one of the reason SCORE is not doing a race near El Centro. It is a big reason not many non-race related people come out to watch their races. BITD does NV races and they have a lot of restrictions put on them. Most U.S. races are 50-100 mile loops. BITD does have the Vegas to Reno race which is about 500 miles.

mtgoat666 - 8-30-2016 at 07:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd  
There are millions of acres in the Mojave desert. Why mess with the nice folks in Baja? Just wondering.


First of all much of the Mojave desert is off limits to any racing. It has to be on a OHV area. There is racing on those areas and there are several promoters that race there but they have to jump thru many hoops to do so. That's one of the reason SCORE is not doing a race near El Centro. It is a big reason not many non-race related people come out to watch their races. BITD does NV races and they have a lot of restrictions put on them. Most U.S. races are 50-100 mile loops. BITD does have the Vegas to Reno race which is about 500 miles.


Food for thought. Environmental racism is where one group won't tolerate negative behavior or pollution in their own backyard, so they move their behavior and pollution to another groups backyard. (In the big picture it is fact that Mexico allows almost any gringo to enter their country to recreate, but the USA will let only a relatively few enter the USA to recreate.)
Anywho, I am glad some of you off-roaders are polite and ask permission first before crossing a persons land. If only the majority of gringos were so polite,... I am afraid the majority are uncouth heathens with scraped knuckles. :no:

bajatrailrider - 8-30-2016 at 07:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd  
There are millions of acres in the Mojave desert. Why mess with the nice folks in Baja? Just wondering.
This thread is for off road people, I live here so Im the nice folks of Baja. I love off road in Baja,who in the hell are you. So your here to tell me and others that live and here race here. Go to Mojave please move on. Why would you mess with the nice forks that off road in Baja? Ok dont answer be better that way. :?:

bajatrailrider - 8-30-2016 at 07:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd  
There are millions of acres in the Mojave desert. Why mess with the nice folks in Baja? Just wondering.


First of all much of the Mojave desert is off limits to any racing. It has to be on a OHV area. There is racing on those areas and there are several promoters that race there but they have to jump thru many hoops to do so. That's one of the reason SCORE is not doing a race near El Centro. It is a big reason not many non-race related people come out to watch their races. BITD does NV races and they have a lot of restrictions put on them. Most U.S. races are 50-100 mile loops. BITD does have the Vegas to Reno race which is about 500 miles.


Food for thought. Environmental racism is where one group won't tolerate negative behavior or pollution in their own backyard, so they move their behavior and pollution to another groups backyard. (In the big picture it is fact that Mexico allows almost any gringo to enter their country to recreate, but the USA will let only a relatively few enter the USA to recreate.)
Anywho, I am glad some of you off-roaders are polite and ask permission first before crossing a persons land. If only the majority of gringos were so polite,... I am afraid the majority are uncouth heathens with scraped knuckles. :no:
WARNING WARNING DON'T ANYBODY LISTEN TO THIS B.S :?:

David K - 8-30-2016 at 07:42 PM

Goat: the sport of off road racing was born in Baja California and exported to the U.S. and rest of the world. It began with the first organized point to point run down the peninsula in 1967. Off road racing is in reality dirt road racing and may include some paved roads even.

dtbushpilot - 8-30-2016 at 09:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Goat: the sport of off road racing was born in Baja California and exported to the U.S. and rest of the world. It began with the first organized point to point run down the peninsula in 1967. Off road racing is in reality dirt road racing and may include some paved roads even.


That's pretty funny David...

mtgoat666 - 8-30-2016 at 10:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
the sport of off road racing was born in Baja California and exported to the U.S. and rest of the world. It began with the first organized point to point run down the peninsula in 1967.


Really?

I suspect people raced off-road long before 1967, and elsewhere than Baja.

[Edited on 8-31-2016 by mtgoat666]

David K - 8-31-2016 at 08:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
the sport of off road racing was born in Baja California and exported to the U.S. and rest of the world. It began with the first organized point to point run down the peninsula in 1967.


Really?

I suspect people raced off-road long before 1967, and elsewhere than Baja.

[Edited on 8-31-2016 by mtgoat666]


Yes, really... Even Google knows, I just looked:

Desert racing

Desert racing began in the early 20th century. An early racing sanctioning body in North America was the National Off-Road Racing Association (NORRA). The body was formed in 1967 by Ed Pearlman. The first event was a race across the Mexican desert, south-eastwards through most of the length of Baja California, originally from Ensenada to La Paz. The event was first called the Mexican 1000, and it later became known as the Baja 1000. The event is now sanctioned by SCORE International.

rts551 - 8-31-2016 at 09:19 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
the sport of off road racing was born in Baja California and exported to the U.S. and rest of the world. It began with the first organized point to point run down the peninsula in 1967.


Really?

I suspect people raced off-road long before 1967, and elsewhere than Baja.

[Edited on 8-31-2016 by mtgoat666]


Yes, really... Even Google knows, I just looked:

Desert racing

Desert racing began in the early 20th century. An early racing sanctioning body in North America was the National Off-Road Racing Association (NORRA). The body was formed in 1967 by Ed Pearlman. The first event was a race across the Mexican desert, south-eastwards through most of the length of Baja California, originally from Ensenada to La Paz. The event was first called the Mexican 1000, and it later became known as the Baja 1000. The event is now sanctioned by SCORE International.


Desert racing and off-road are 2 different things. People were racing off-road way before NORRA.

chuckie - 8-31-2016 at 09:24 AM

What bullshiot, as usual from the king of BS...

David K - 8-31-2016 at 09:25 AM

Reading 101...

Yes, small races at Riverside, sand drags at Oceanside and Pismo, and other little events were beginning here and there.

NORRA organized the first long distance, point to point race, in Baja California... as I said and Wiki confirmed.

chuckie - 8-31-2016 at 09:29 AM

Barstow Vegas 1964...Wiki also says, selective quoter , that off road racing began in California in the 1920's...

TMW - 8-31-2016 at 09:37 AM

Were there any paved roads in 1920?

Barstow to Vegas, I raced the last one in 1989. It was shut down because of the desert tortoise. Now they are building huge solar plants and moving or killing the tortoise. But don't put a dirt bike on a dirt road no, no.

chuckie - 8-31-2016 at 11:34 AM

Funny, I raced the first one! Rode a 500 Triumph twin I bought from Buck Smith. I wasn't very fast but I was LOUD..Guys like Buck Smith, JN Roberts, Smoke Bomb Goetz, the Ekins boys...They were FAST...What fun What fun...

rts551 - 8-31-2016 at 11:54 AM

Motorcycle off-road racing was popular in the 30-40's. David just can not stand to be corrected.

willardguy - 8-31-2016 at 12:01 PM

david google and wiki....how can you argue with that?:lol:

Bajahowodd - 9-1-2016 at 04:24 PM

I think that both off-road racers and Donald Trump should leave Mexico alone.

chuckie - 9-1-2016 at 04:37 PM

Well, Wodd? I don't care what you think...You aren't an off roader, and I doubt you vote...So....

mtgoat666 - 9-1-2016 at 04:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Reading 101...

Yes, small races at Riverside, sand drags at Oceanside and Pismo, and other little events were beginning here and there.

NORRA organized the first long distance, point to point race, in Baja California... as I said and Wiki confirmed.


Reading 102

Wikipedia is not a credible source. Wiki entries are written by kids and the unemployed, and peer reviewed by kids and the unemplyed.

chuckie - 9-1-2016 at 04:49 PM

You left an "O "out...Did wiki proof this for you?

David K - 9-3-2016 at 04:40 PM

The first point to point dirt road ("Off Road") race was the 1967 Mexican 1000 (in 1973, renamed Baja 1000, as that was the common name always).

rts551 - 9-3-2016 at 04:44 PM

Point to Point dirt roads.

http://www.historynet.com/first-transcontinental-car-race-cr...

chuckie - 9-3-2016 at 04:46 PM

DK, you are SO full of it....

willardguy - 9-3-2016 at 05:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Point to Point dirt roads.

http://www.historynet.com/first-transcontinental-car-race-cr...


now THATS an amazing story!:O

They cut the fences

TMW - 9-3-2016 at 05:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Point to Point dirt roads.

http://www.historynet.com/first-transcontinental-car-race-cr...


["Farmers and ranchers had arbitrarily fenced off portions of the route. The drivers cut the fences and kept on going. At Omaha, the drivers purchased side-arms and then wore them on their hips, as did most of the people they encountered in the West. Law was still distant, arbitrary and personal. Fortunately, all they ever felt motivated to shoot were rabbits and rattlesnakes. Huss used his pistol for hunting, so they could obtain fresh meat. Eggs and pork were the usual diet."]

Well I'll be, why oh why. I wonder what the locals thought of that.

rts551 - 9-3-2016 at 05:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Point to Point dirt roads.

http://www.historynet.com/first-transcontinental-car-race-cr...


["Farmers and ranchers had arbitrarily fenced off portions of the route. The drivers cut the fences and kept on going. At Omaha, the drivers purchased side-arms and then wore them on their hips, as did most of the people they encountered in the West. Law was still distant, arbitrary and personal. Fortunately, all they ever felt motivated to shoot were rabbits and rattlesnakes. Huss used his pistol for hunting, so they could obtain fresh meat. Eggs and pork were the usual diet."]

Well I'll be, why oh why. I wonder what the locals thought of that.


Maybe that is why they had to purchase guns. Thank goodness its not 1905 anymore.

willardguy - 9-3-2016 at 06:04 PM

so bigD was off by a mere 62 years? how can that be? :?:

chuckie - 9-3-2016 at 06:20 PM

Cuz...

David K - 9-3-2016 at 07:23 PM

Good research! I did call it "dirt road" because of folks like mtgoat666 who think "off road racing" means cross country and tearing up the countryside.

nexrace - 9-18-2016 at 10:22 PM

everyone please stay on topic,

bajatrailrider - 9-19-2016 at 08:54 PM

Quote: Originally posted by nexrace  
everyone please stay on topic,
Thank You

bkman211 - 9-19-2016 at 10:03 PM

Google Maps link to ranch in discussion.

https://goo.gl/maps/GbYaJhi4LjJ2

Keep us posted on progress finding alternate routes.

bkman211 - 9-19-2016 at 10:08 PM

If you have google earth installed and would like to view it there copy paste coordinates below into google earth search.

30.850694, -115.845917

bkman211 - 9-19-2016 at 10:34 PM

I am heading down in a few weeks with 3-4 bikes total. Hoping to work out an alternate route.

BTR let me know if you have tried work arounds on map below.

Problem area in red circle, 07 1000 and 14 500 are two most recent races through that area.

E32 map shows a few possible work arounds I have indicated in light blue. Let me know if any of those might work.




[Edited on 9-21-2016 by bkman211]

bajatrailrider - 9-20-2016 at 07:11 PM

The purple line where race went all locked gates. When coming from Melings (back way) Your on dirt road that takes you to paved observatory road. So you just dont make that left turn to rancho. Come out at paved road go down about a mile,or first place without locked gate.All dirt to Camalu you end up at gas station 1 mile past south Camalu. Pm me for more detail also about possible other moto route south of Santo Domingo. Please note the route to Camalu moto only. BTR

bkman211 - 9-20-2016 at 08:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  
The purple line where race went all locked gates. When coming from Melings (back way) Your on dirt road that takes you to paved observatory road. So you just dont make that left turn to rancho. Come out at paved road go down about a mile,or first place without locked gate.All dirt to Camalu you end up at gas station 1 mile past south Camalu. Pm me for more detail also about possible other moto route south of Santo Domingo. Please note the route to Camalu moto only. BTR


Ok, so something like the yellow line added below.


bajatrailrider - 9-21-2016 at 07:12 PM

Now that looks more like the route we found 3 weeks ago. Before you get to Camalu you get to locked gate with no fences on either side.There is rancho with pump house,we parked the bikes asked guy in charge if we could pass. He said no problem. You would never make it in off road car,because one up hill washed completely away. On motos its good.