BajaNomad - Flying to Loreto to research buying a property

Flying into Loreto and plan on scouting out the area for a location suitable to open a Holistic/Yoga retreat with international guests. It will bring in a reliable income to the local community and will be based on the successful Eco retreats operating in Costa Rica. I plan on renting a vehicle in Loreto and spending a couple of weeks traveling and acquiring info. Any advice, tips or info appreciated.

Go slow don't rush the process. Vet everyone.

SFandH - 8-24-2016 at 11:04 AM

Are you planning to buy or rent the property?

hombre66 - 8-24-2016 at 11:23 AM

You might check out the "Loreto Bay" tract for leads. They seem to have vacant business spaces inside the development. its a big operation and there are surely lots of evolving entrepreneurial opportunities. It's got alot of U.S. retirees ..maybe a good yoga service could work. The place has its management quirks and building in there is an endeavor that should be looked at with extreme detail. I am fairly sure places are cheaper now than they were when built, and a few unfinished houses are selling cheap.

Hogbygard - 8-24-2016 at 01:59 PM

Buying the property, just flying in to Loreto looking all along the coast area, have our eye on Mulege and surrounding area. We have to be within a hour or so drive to a International Airport for our guest. The plan is for a main house and a separate covered activity/kitchen/dining facility and 4-6 small guest houses or structures. when completed it will bring jobs and income revenue to the area with a steady "retreat" 10-20 guest once a month and be available for other instructors/teachers to have retreats there when the schedule is open. Doing very well in Costa Rica but we are hoping to open in the Baja area if possible

[Edited on 8-24-2016 by Hogbygard]

KAT54 - 8-24-2016 at 02:19 PM

what is your budget?

do you have a website for costa rica?

Hogbygard - 8-24-2016 at 02:34 PM

The Costa Rica properties/retreats are in the 70-110k range for what we have investigated. This is mainly property with a dwelling, we prefer to build the remaining facilities our self to our desires and specifications. Not looking to be in a "community" or town limits.

[Edited on 8-24-2016 by Hogbygard]

BajaGlenn - 8-24-2016 at 03:39 PM

Mulege is more than an hour from the Loreto airport--might try Luiji south or Hunkalito??also south of Loreto

Bajahowodd - 8-24-2016 at 03:39 PM

Hmmm.

BigBearRider - 8-24-2016 at 03:43 PM

I have a house close to Mulege, and may be able to provide some thoughts.

(I also speak Swedish, which may or may not be helpful judging by your username.)

Hogbygard - 8-24-2016 at 03:53 PM

Thanks Big Bear, the majority of our guest are from Scandinavia. We have had our retreats in Spain, Costra Rica and Sweden, Norway. We are looking to open our own facility and not have our clients follow us around the globe constantly. My wife is Swedish and I lived there over 15 years, you caught the "Hogbygard". That's our house in Sweden, 45 minutes from Orebro

BigBearRider - 8-24-2016 at 04:02 PM

Mulege is about 90 minutes from Loreto, if you drive fast.

When are you planning on going? It's really hot on the Sea of Cortez side now.

SFandH - 8-24-2016 at 04:17 PM

My advice is hire a Mexican lawyer that knows real estate law before you sign any papers or hand over any money. Do you know about the restricted zone, the federal zone, and ejido land? All complications when buying coastal land in Mexico.

Hogbygard - 8-24-2016 at 08:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BigBearRider

Mulege is about 90 minutes from Loreto, if you drive fast.

When are you planning on going? It's really hot on the Sea of Cortez side now.

Planning on the end of Sept, I lived in the Mojave desert for many years so heat is not a major problem for me, uncomfortable but not a problem.

David K - 8-24-2016 at 08:30 PM

Humidity and hurricanes (chubascos) will make Loreto feel much different than Mojave to you. However, I would rather be hot in Loreto than most anywhere else!

bajagrouper - 8-24-2016 at 09:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

My advice is hire a Mexican lawyer that knows real estate law before you sign any papers or hand over any money. Do you know about the restricted zone, the federal zone, and ejido land? All complications when buying coastal land in Mexico.

Agree 100%, also are you prepared to start a Mexican Corporation if needed for this business, aware of the type of visa required to work in Mexico and the tax laws???

CJ - 8-24-2016 at 09:33 PM

Holistic/yoga retreat.....makes me think somewhere up above Las Parras on the way to San Javier. You can pay me later for my thoughts

MMc - 8-24-2016 at 09:36 PM

You might want to talk to Bob and Susan, they are living a life taking care of tourist. I have no idea but they might.Sporting Supplies http://www.mulege.org/
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Hogbygard - 8-24-2016 at 09:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by CJ

Holistic/yoga retreat.....makes me think somewhere up above Las Parras on the way to San Javier. You can pay me later for my thoughts

Will do, Thanks

Hogbygard - 8-24-2016 at 09:46 PM

Humidity and hurricanes (chubascos) will make Loreto feel much different than Mojave to you. However, I would rather be hot in Loreto than most anywhere else!

You're right, not much humidity in the Mojave...

David K - 8-25-2016 at 07:09 AM

Humidity and hurricanes (chubascos) will make Loreto feel much different than Mojave to you. However, I would rather be hot in Loreto than most anywhere else!

You're right, not much humidity in the Mojave...

Seriously, there are good suggestions here for you...

Do talk with Bob (Bob & Susan) of Playa Frambes Lighthouse Resort. He did it all right, and now they have a tourist operation on the bay and live there full time. www.mulege.org

Do get a referral for a good attorney on this matter. You do need the correct visa to own property, live full time in Mexico, and run a business. Beware of buying any ejido land!

Rent for a year (or at least a few months and see how things are done there, and the weather year-round. See how long supplies take to arrive. Discover about inconsistent services like power and water and learn about "Mexican Time"... and when they say "mañana" it does not mean 'tomorrow', but instead it means 'not today'.

If you can adapt to Mexico rather than expect Mexico to change for you, then you should do GREAT! You need the locals to be with you in this.

Bob and Susan - 8-25-2016 at 02:09 PM

You might want to talk to Bob and Susan, they are living a life taking care of tourist. I have no idea but they might.Sporting Supplies http://www.mulege.org/

I wasn't going to say anything but since mmc brought up my name...

my 2 cents

you don't have enough money...

I wonder if you even have a written plan...

have a nice vacation while in baja

remember "don't check your brain at the border"

Hogbygard - 8-25-2016 at 04:39 PM

That was encouraging. Thanks. Nice people

bajagrouper - 8-25-2016 at 05:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajagrouper

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

Agree 100%, also are you prepared to start a Mexican Corporation if needed for this business, aware of the type of visa required to work in Mexico and the tax laws???

I notice the OP does not answer questions about rules or regulations...
Then the OP writes:Not looking to be in a "community" or town limits.
Last time I heard that line was Jim Jones !!!

[Edited on 8-26-2016 by bajagrouper]

pacificobob - 8-25-2016 at 10:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by CJ

Holistic/yoga retreat.....makes me think somewhere up above Las Parras on the way to San Javier. You can pay me later for my thoughts

good idea,perfect area

David K - 8-25-2016 at 10:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaGlenn

Mulege is more than an hour from the Loreto airport--might try Luiji south or Hunkalito??also south of Loreto

Let me help, so he might find them on a map or search Nomad for more info...
1) LIGUI (Ligüí, actually)
2) JUNCALITO

Both these places are south of Loreto on either side of Puerto Escondido.

David K - 8-25-2016 at 10:15 PM

That was encouraging. Thanks. Nice people

Bob is just telling you like it is, no sugar coating. He generously shared all the phases of building his resort here on Nomad. His website may still have that history? www.mulege.org

Bajahowodd - 8-26-2016 at 03:52 PM

A holistic yoga retreat . Hmm. Did that not already exist
on the property that was taken over by the Villa Group? I'm thinking about Danzante.

mtgoat666 - 8-26-2016 at 04:30 PM

A while back I saw a RE listing for someone selling a B&B/yoga retreat in la Paz or loreto (forget which). Was a really pretty property, nice layout and landscaping. Had like an acre or more of grounds.

Hogbygard - 8-26-2016 at 10:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajagrouper

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

Agree 100%, also are you prepared to start a Mexican Corporation if needed for this business, aware of the type of visa required to work in Mexico and the tax laws???

The OP is informed and has a excellent law firm handling all his corporation's international transactions. The OP is not seeking a "gated community" or a next door neighbor looking in his window situation. Prefer something quiet & peaceful but within walking distance to civilization. Hope the Jim Jones asinine remark is not a representation of the local mentality.

Hogbygard - 8-26-2016 at 10:58 PM

That was encouraging. Thanks. Nice people

Bob is just telling you like it is, no sugar coating. He generously shared all the phases of building his resort here on Nomad. His website may still have that history? www.mulege.org

Bob has not a clue to our business plan or financial backers. The Mulege general area will be our own personal financial endeavor as our main backers do not consider the future as promising in the Mulege area . I am only coming to scout out the area and present my opinion compared to the other possibilities already scouted and documented for the company's expansion in either Ecuador, Costa Rica, Belize and the Tulum area.

Hogbygard - 8-26-2016 at 11:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaGlenn

Mulege is more than an hour from the Loreto airport--might try Luiji south or Hunkalito??also south of Loreto

Let me help, so he might find them on a map or search Nomad for more info...
1) LIGUI (Ligüí, actually)
2) JUNCALITO

Both these places are south of Loreto on either side of Puerto Escondido.

Thanks, I will do some research. appreciate it.

Is this what you are looking for?

bajabeachbabe - 8-26-2016 at 11:25 PM

Almost sounds like you are envisioning a property like this one.

www.villalindamar.com

[Edited on 8-27-2016 by bajabeachbabe]

Hogbygard - 8-27-2016 at 12:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabeachbabe

Almost sounds like you are envisioning a property like this one.

www.villalindamar.com

[Edited on 8-27-2016 by bajabeachbabe][/rquote

Pretty close and it is nice but our clients prefer a less "modern comforts" feel and we are not looking for beach front. Even our famous and wealthy clients have no problem roughing it and sleeping in hammocks or blankets on a dirt floor for a week's event instead of comfy beds like they have at home. Our students and attendees come for the classes and course certifications and all the benefits associated with our internationally followed instructors and teachers. The majority of our events have only a 10-15 person maximum enrollment enforced with a waiting list so a large compound is not a priority.
Really appreciate the effort and help, Looking forward to experiencing the area and meeting some of the locals. Thanks

bajabeachbabe - 8-27-2016 at 01:58 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabeachbabe

If you are visiting in September, keep in mind that the town of Loreto is pretty much closed down for that month. Very few visitors and most of the local restaurants are closed during that time. It will not provide an accurate picture of what the town is during the busy season.

shari - 8-27-2016 at 07:14 AM

When I read your opening post I immediately thought that Todo Santos would be the ideal place for this as it is already a community with that kind of clientele... artistic, health concious, new age type place. Plus the weather is MUCH better and it is closer to the international airport of San Jose del Cabo where more flights arrive and depart....check it out.

SFandH - 8-27-2016 at 08:34 AM

Years ago someone attempted to do something similar to what you're thinking here:

26.7517939,-111.8977417

About 15 miles south of Mulege on the bay.

Bajahowodd - 8-27-2016 at 04:48 PM

When I read your opening post I immediately thought that Todo Santos would be the ideal place for this as it is already a community with that kind of clientele... artistic, health concious, new age type place. Plus the weather is MUCH better and it is closer to the international airport of San Jose del Cabo where more flights arrive and depart....check it out.

I agree with Shari.

Hogbygard - 8-27-2016 at 07:54 PM

Thanks Shari, I'm getting around to answering your message...I'm in transit and pretty worn out right now...

[Edited on 8-28-2016 by Hogbygard]

bajabeachbabe - 8-28-2016 at 02:53 AM

A very nice yoga retreat already exists near Todos Santos. Prana del Mar.
https://pranadelmar.com/

pacificobob - 8-28-2016 at 06:00 AM

You might want to talk to Bob and Susan, they are living a life taking care of tourist. I have no idea but they might.Sporting Supplies http://www.mulege.org/

what a reply. i will never understand some folks need to say such stuff.

mojo_norte - 8-28-2016 at 07:16 AM

70-110K doesn't buy much in Baja Sur these days - maybe a lot with a Palapa and a trailer.

SFandH - 8-28-2016 at 07:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mojo_norte

70-110K doesn't buy much in Baja Sur these days - maybe a lot with a Palapa and a trailer.

Recent postings, there are more.

$50K - http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=83838

$75K - http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=83687

[Edited on 8-28-2016 by SFandH]

mojo_norte - 8-28-2016 at 07:48 AM

I would try Gringo enclave fringe towns - Santiago , San Bartolo, El Triunfo.

Bob and Susan - 8-28-2016 at 09:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

You might want to talk to Bob and Susan, they are living a life taking care of tourist. I have no idea but they might.Sporting Supplies http://www.mulege.org/

I wasn't going to say anything but since mmc brought up my name...
my 2 cents
you don't have enough money...
I wonder if you even have a written plan...
have a nice vacation while in baja
remember "don't check your brain at the border"

what a reply. i will never understand some folks need to say such stuff.

how do you know this person is even real...they cant even tell us their real name
besides of course tell us about "a dream"

50k to 100k is not a "real" budget to build something like this in this area

think about it...what "rich guy" wants to sleep in a hammock on a dirt floor and pay a couple of grand for the week : )

maybe my definition of "rich" and this persons is different

how big a room do you need to house 20 people doing yoga...1600 sq feet? hoe much is that
and bedrooms? do they sleep in one room that they do the yoga..."ok everyone up...we move the cots for yoga...now...cots out and we move in tables for breakfast"

come on...

Hogbygard - 8-29-2016 at 01:32 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

You might want to talk to Bob and Susan, they are living a life taking care of tourist. I have no idea but they might.Sporting Supplies http://www.mulege.org/

I wasn't going to say anything but since mmc brought up my name...
my 2 cents
you don't have enough money...
I wonder if you even have a written plan...
have a nice vacation while in baja
remember "don't check your brain at the border"

what a reply. i will never understand some folks need to say such stuff.

Must be slow there, lotta free time on your hands? You have'nt a clue so please find something constructive to sugar coat, you are not part of this conversation any longer, thank you.

Hogbygard - 8-29-2016 at 02:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mojo_norte

70-110K doesn't buy much in Baja Sur these days - maybe a lot with a Palapa and a trailer.

That's not our budget just some of the prior properties we have expressed interest in other areas we are researching. Thanks for the interest and info though.

[Edited on 8-29-2016 by Hogbygard]

Lee - 8-29-2016 at 02:49 PM

Not sure why Mulege is considered maybe I missed the post. I think Todos and Pescadero would be a better match. u2u me if you want leads in these areas.

pauldavidmena - 8-29-2016 at 03:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabeachbabe

A very nice yoga retreat already exists near Todos Santos. Prana del Mar.
https://pranadelmar.com/

Todos Santos has another yoga retreat up in Las Tunas called Panchamama. Like Prana del Mar, it describes itself as "boutique" and is therefore definitely not "roughing it".

Bob and Susan - 8-29-2016 at 04:19 PM

... You have'nt a clue so please find something constructive to sugar coat, you are not part of this conversation any longer, thank you.

I guess I was told...

but...
max has 3.2 acres for $25,000 with corp
and they don't want it because it's "beachfront"
wow...
it's 2016 that's a give away price

mojo_norte - 8-29-2016 at 04:29 PM