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Killings rise anew in Tijuana, a city haunted by years of violence

sargentodiaz - 10-9-2016 at 04:39 PM

This strikes home to me as I have in-laws who live there. And, while the articles doesn't say so, this violence isn't political like here but due to drugs. Drugs bought and used by Americans.

With 636 killings in Tijuana through the end of September, 2016 is shaping up to be the most violent year since 2010, and last month’s 89 homicides made it the most violent so far this year.

Full story @ http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-ti...

Lee - 10-9-2016 at 05:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by sargentodiaz  
This strikes home to me as I have in-laws who live there. And, while the articles doesn't say so, this violence isn't political like here but due to drugs. Drugs bought and used by Americans.

With 636 killings in Tijuana through the end of September, 2016 is shaping up to be the most violent year since 2010, and last month’s 89 homicides made it the most violent so far this year.

Full story @ http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-ti...

Year to date in Chicago:

Shot & Killed: 521
Shot & Wounded: 2843
Total Shot: 3364

Doubt these are political either. It's all relative, isn't it?

aguachico - 10-9-2016 at 05:17 PM

Thanks for the link.

This article is just OK for accuracy and content. The drugs being pushed thru the tiendas are not normally bound for the american drug user as you state. Not normally. There is a enough local business and hence the violence in small poor sections of TJ.

Saludos de Mariano.

rts551 - 10-9-2016 at 08:40 PM

How does Chicago impact Tijuana?.... Violence in Baja is growing and it seems to be 2 fold....fighting over drug routes (for the USA market) and fights over territory for a growing market in Mexico. Add to that, lower level crime (theft) by users and Mexico has an issue they need to address and are woefully unable to do so.

Lee - 10-10-2016 at 05:14 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
How does Chicago impact Tijuana?.... Violence in Baja is growing and it seems to be 2 fold....fighting over drug routes (for the USA market) and fights over territory for a growing market in Mexico. Add to that, lower level crime (theft) by users and Mexico has an issue they need to address and are woefully unable to do so.


Read the last sentence in my post. I wrote ''it's all relative.'' Media reports violence in TJ and it comes around like a broken record. Nothing new.

Or, to quote David: ''I feel safer driving anywhere in Baja, than I do anywhere else! '' Guess that includes TJ?

JoeJustJoe - 10-10-2016 at 10:15 AM

I'm at a lost on what Sargentodiaz, means when he says " violence isn't political like here but due to drugs."

Yes, drugs, and the cartels are responsible for most homicides in Tijuana, where some put the homicide percentages as high has 90% that are drug related.

From Sargentodiaz's profile I see he is from the Las Vegas, area, and he sees violence that us up about 25% and he cites the reasons as political. Really? How so?

In Chicago gun shootings and homicides are way up and I don't doubt Lee's numbers in this thread.

In Chicago gangs are being blamed.

In Chicago, most of the killings are isolated to the south and west side of the city, where it's a segregated wasteland. My last visit to Chicago, my UBER driver told me him and other drivers refuse to take passengers to the south side of Chicago, because it's that dangerous!

Of course in the river north part of Chicago, is beautiful and as safe as can be.

It would be laughable if somebody tried to used the record number of homicides in Chicago, to try to instill fear and discourage travel to Chicago, yet this is what happens with homicide numbers in Tijuana and other parts of Mexico, where some alarmists take out their broad paint brushes and paint the whole country of Mexico as extremely dangerous, based on homicide percentages of a few cites in Mexico.

Tijuana, is not dangerous, and I visit all the time. Now there are certain places in Tijuana, like in Los Angeles, that I won't walk alone at night.

BTW the FBI warned against using homicide statistics like deaths per 100,000 to rate a safely level or danger level of a certain city, because that's only one factor, of many factors you could be looking at.







rts551 - 10-10-2016 at 10:30 AM

In the context of a Baja forum, what happens elsewhere might be interesting to some, but meaningless in here. I have not been to Chicago in 30 years and do not plan to go soon. I spend the majority of my time in Baja Sur and am therefore concerned about crime here.

Syria is a dangerous place too, but do you plan on going there? Not relevant is it?

Best to contain your comments to Mexico and Baja.

willardguy - 10-10-2016 at 10:40 AM

you think leroy brown in a discussion on chicagonomads compares tijuana to south chicago?;)

bajaguy - 10-10-2016 at 11:17 AM

Tijuana (Mexico) = strict firearms control laws

Chicago (Illinois) = strict firearms control laws

Seems to be working well in both places

woody with a view - 10-10-2016 at 11:23 AM

:light:

SFandH - 10-10-2016 at 11:26 AM

Yeah, Tijuana needs some gun stores. That will fix it.

bajaguy - 10-10-2016 at 11:36 AM

Fight crime, shoot back
Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Yeah, Tijuana needs some gun stores. That will fix it.

motoged - 10-10-2016 at 11:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Fight crime, shoot back

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Yeah, Tijuana needs some gun stores. That will fix it.


Of all the guns floating around, how many are really used to "protect my family and myself" ... or is that just the rationale used ?
How many Nomads that are gun owners have actually been in such situations?

Every once in a while the news will have a story about a shotgun-toting grandma who blasts an intruder...maybe more often than stories of civilians who are packing that stop a crime or legally protect themselves from criminals....

Some Nomads take their pistolas to Baja as part of their "fear/safety culture" ... very few will admit to this criminal behaviour ...

Maybe another Wasp Spray thread in the making?

Guns have their purposes....

SFandH - 10-10-2016 at 12:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Fight crime, shoot back

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Yeah, Tijuana needs some gun stores. That will fix it.


Go ahead, take a ride to the dirt road outskirts of TJ this Saturday night and shoot it up. Have a good time.

According to the TJ newspapers I read, mostly La Frontera, sometimes Zeta, the people getting killed are drug street dealers being shot by the opposing cartel drug dealers.

The remnants of the Tijuana cartel have combined with a new cartel from Jalisco and are trying to take back the business lost to the Sinaloa cartel, the winners of the last drug war.

Bad guys shooting bad guys.

[Edited on 10-10-2016 by SFandH]

bajaguy - 10-10-2016 at 01:15 PM

Just like Chicago.......I like it!!
Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  

Bad guys shooting bad guys.

Lee - 10-10-2016 at 08:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
In the context of a Baja forum, what happens elsewhere might be interesting to some, but meaningless in here. I have not been to Chicago in 30 years and do not plan to go soon. I spend the majority of my time in Baja Sur and am therefore concerned about crime here.

Syria is a dangerous place too, but do you plan on going there? Not relevant is it?

Best to contain your comments to Mexico and Baja.


La Paz rivals Detroit.

bajatrailrider - 10-11-2016 at 07:45 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
How does Chicago impact Tijuana?.... Violence in Baja is growing and it seems to be 2 fold....fighting over drug routes (for the USA market) and fights over territory for a growing market in Mexico. Add to that, lower level crime (theft) by users and Mexico has an issue they need to address and are woefully unable to do so.
Simply put How does Chicago impact TJ or anywhere else. The world is a dangerous place.