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bajaguy - 12-23-2016 at 01:25 PM

For all of you lucky enough to have a vehicle(s) registered in California, starting April 1st, 2017 you will be paying a $10 per year increase in the vehicle registration fee ......

(pertains to Baja as a public service to those who take California plated vehicles south of the border)

msteve1014 - 12-23-2016 at 03:15 PM

$10 a year?
I'm going to have rethink my whole lifestyle, or claim to have moved to South Dakota like some other tax dodgers.

David K - 12-23-2016 at 03:21 PM

That's how they get away with it... a little at a time... and some of you say that won't hurt... then more next year, etc.

Governor Davis was thrown out when he tried to raise the vehicle registration by over $200, all at once. Arnold was elected and terminated that fee!

chuckie - 12-23-2016 at 03:30 PM

You aint seen nuttin yet!

msteve1014 - 12-23-2016 at 03:43 PM

How much does gas, or milk, or electricity have to go up to cost you an extra $10 a year?
This is not news worthy.

rts551 - 12-23-2016 at 04:04 PM

$10 per year... I'll take that and good roads any day. Its the freeloaders that complain about their taxes but want all the services that get me.

bajaguy - 12-23-2016 at 04:09 PM

If only the roads were good, if only the services were good.....but this $10 increase is to fund the CHP retirement account


Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
$10 per year... I'll take that and good roads any day. Its the freeloaders that complain about their taxes but want all the services that get me.

DaliDali - 12-23-2016 at 04:29 PM

Times 27.7 million registered vehicles in CA....

Baaboom

mtgoat666 - 12-23-2016 at 04:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
For all of you lucky enough to have a vehicle(s) registered in California, starting April 1st, 2017 you will be paying a $10 per year increase in the vehicle registration fee ......

(pertains to Baja as a public service to those who take California plated vehicles south of the border)


You aint seen nothing yet! Trump is going to cancel medicare and give you a coupon book so you can shop for health care. Good luck with that! Suckers!

Tax cuts for the rich! Benefits cuts for everyone else!

rts551 - 12-23-2016 at 04:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
If only the roads were good, if only the services were good.....but this $10 increase is to fund the CHP retirement account


Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
$10 per year... I'll take that and good roads any day. Its the freeloaders that complain about their taxes but want all the services that get me.


Ya...move to Tucson.... see what roads are like....and low taxes. Kalifornia roads are like silk. Another complainer that has not seen the worst.

bajaguy - 12-23-2016 at 04:53 PM

Nope, Ralph. I have seen and driven on some really crappy roads in my lifetime. Was in phoenix last week, roads were great.....Oh, and I'm not complaining, just stating facts

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
If only the roads were good, if only the services were good.....but this $10 increase is to fund the CHP retirement account


Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
$10 per year... I'll take that and good roads any day. Its the freeloaders that complain about their taxes but want all the services that get me.


Ya...move to Tucson.... see what roads are like....and low taxes. Kalifornia roads are like silk. Another complainer that has not seen the worst.

rts551 - 12-23-2016 at 04:53 PM

Man, sometimes. I get tired of the people in Kaifornia whining about their taxes and SERVICES. Move to Mississippi if you want low taxes. Move to Arizona or Nevada. QUIT COMPLAINING....I suspect you like your services and just do not like paying.

rts551 - 12-23-2016 at 04:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Nope, Ralph. I have seen and driven on some really crappy roads in my lifetime. Was in phoenix last week, roads were great.....Oh, and I'm not complaining, just stating facts

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
If only the roads were good, if only the services were good.....but this $10 increase is to fund the CHP retirement account


Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
$10 per year... I'll take that and good roads any day. Its the freeloaders that complain about their taxes but want all the services that get me.


Ya...move to Tucson.... see what roads are like....and low taxes. Kalifornia roads are like silk. Another complainer that has not seen the worst.


Tucson roads are way worse than Phoenix. The city (I still have a house in the county) passed a 1 % sales tax to Patch the craters they had. When ever we travel to Kalifornia...the roads are so much better than other states. You pay for what you get.

rts551 - 12-23-2016 at 04:58 PM

easy...move...or register your vehicle on time.

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak  
I had to send a non-op certification to Sacramento a few years ago for a little motorcycle that needed repairs, because they couldn't help me in person. Turns out they never got it. Check out this list of fees if I want to register it now. Love the $9.00 Alt Fuel/Tech Reg Fee, and the $180 CHP penalty...

__________________________________________
Current Registration:
43.00
Current California Highway Patrol:
24.00
Current Vehicle License Fee:
1.00
Current Motorcycle Safety Fee:
2.00
Current County Service Authority for Freeway Emergencies Fee:
1.00
Current Fingerprint ID Fee:
1.00
Current Air Quality Management District:
6.00
Current South Coast Air Basin:
1.00
Alt Fuel/Tech Reg Fee:
9.00
1st Prior Year Registration:
43.00
1st Prior Year California Highway Patrol:
24.00
1st Prior Year Vehicle License Fee:
1.00
1st Prior Year Motorcycle Safety Fee:
2.00
1st Prior Year County Service Authority for Freeway Emergencies Fee:
1.00
1st Prior Year Fingerprint ID Fee:
1.00
Current Vehicle Theft/DUI 2:
2.00
1st Prior Year Auto Theft and/or DUI Crime Deterrence Program:
1.00
1st Prior Year Air Quality Management Dist:
6.00
1st Prior Year South Coast Air Basin:
1.00
2nd Prior Year Registration:
43.00
2nd Prior Year California Highway Patrol:
24.00
2nd Prior Year Vehicle License Fee:
1.00
2nd Prior Year Motorcycle Safety Fee:
2.00
2nd Prior Year County Service Authority for Freeway Emergencies Fee:
1.00
2nd Prior Year Fingerprint ID Fee:
1.00
2nd Prior Year Auto Theft and/or DUI Crime Deterrence Program:
1.00
2nd Prior Year Air Quality Management Dist:
6.00
2nd Prior Year South Coast Air Basin:
1.00
Transfer:
15.00
Use/Sales Tax:
9.00
Current Registration Penalty:
30.00
CHP Penalty:
180.00
Current Vehicle License Fee Penalty:
1.00
1st Prior Year Registration Penalty:
50.00
1st Prior Year Vehicle License Fee Penalty:
1.00
2nd Prior Year Registration Penalty:
100.00
2nd Prior Year Vehicle License Fee Penalty:
2.00
Total Registration Fees:
$629.00

_______________________________________

Call it, pointless...

bajaguy - 12-23-2016 at 04:59 PM

I do live in Nevada, and hopefully no more Californians will move here

I don't mind paying for services, but the increase is to fund the CHP retirement account (at about $70k a year per person)....it isn't going into services or road repair

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Man, sometimes. I get tired of the people in Kaifornia whining about their taxes and SERVICES. Move to Mississippi if you want low taxes. Move to Arizona or Nevada. QUIT COMPLAINING....I suspect you like your services and just do not like paying.

rts551 - 12-23-2016 at 05:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
I do live in Nevada, and hopefully no more Californians will move here

I don't mind paying for services, but the increase is to fund the CHP retirement account (at about $70k a year per person)....it isn't going into services or road repair

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Man, sometimes. I get tired of the people in Kaifornia whining about their taxes and SERVICES. Move to Mississippi if you want low taxes. Move to Arizona or Nevada. QUIT COMPLAINING....I suspect you like your services and just do not like paying.

OK.. paying for what they got. pay now or later. Ahhhh enough of this....time for Lobster (GRATIS...NO TAX).... tomorrow gents.

msteve1014 - 12-23-2016 at 05:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak  
I had to send a non-op certification to Sacramento a few years ago for a little motorcycle that needed repairs, because they couldn't help me in person. Turns out they never got it. Check out this list of fees if I want to register it now. Love the $9.00 Alt Fuel/Tech Reg Fee, and the $180 CHP penalty...

__________________________________________
Current Registration:
43.00
Current California Highway Patrol:
24.00
Current Vehicle License Fee:
1.00
Current Motorcycle Safety Fee:
2.00
Current County Service Authority for Freeway Emergencies Fee:
1.00
Current Fingerprint ID Fee:
1.00
Current Air Quality Management District:
6.00
Current South Coast Air Basin:
1.00
Alt Fuel/Tech Reg Fee:
9.00
1st Prior Year Registration:
43.00
1st Prior Year California Highway Patrol:
24.00
1st Prior Year Vehicle License Fee:
1.00
1st Prior Year Motorcycle Safety Fee:
2.00
1st Prior Year County Service Authority for Freeway Emergencies Fee:
1.00
1st Prior Year Fingerprint ID Fee:
1.00
Current Vehicle Theft/DUI 2:
2.00
1st Prior Year Auto Theft and/or DUI Crime Deterrence Program:
1.00
1st Prior Year Air Quality Management Dist:
6.00
1st Prior Year South Coast Air Basin:
1.00
2nd Prior Year Registration:
43.00
2nd Prior Year California Highway Patrol:
24.00
2nd Prior Year Vehicle License Fee:
1.00
2nd Prior Year Motorcycle Safety Fee:
2.00
2nd Prior Year County Service Authority for Freeway Emergencies Fee:
1.00
2nd Prior Year Fingerprint ID Fee:
1.00
2nd Prior Year Auto Theft and/or DUI Crime Deterrence Program:
1.00
2nd Prior Year Air Quality Management Dist:
6.00
2nd Prior Year South Coast Air Basin:
1.00
Transfer:
15.00
Use/Sales Tax:
9.00
Current Registration Penalty:
30.00
CHP Penalty:
180.00
Current Vehicle License Fee Penalty:
1.00
1st Prior Year Registration Penalty:
50.00
1st Prior Year Vehicle License Fee Penalty:
1.00
2nd Prior Year Registration Penalty:
100.00
2nd Prior Year Vehicle License Fee Penalty:
2.00
Total Registration Fees:
$629.00

_______________________________________

Call it, pointless...



Who's fault is that? You could have done this ON TIME and never had a problem. Now you have a big one.
My ct90 has been non op for years, cost me $5.

chuckie - 12-23-2016 at 05:29 PM

How do they get out of paying taxes> Does Kalifornia issue a card that exempts them from Gas Tax, Sales Tax, excise tax, luxury tax, property tax, tax on phone service, internet, utility tax.. ad nauseum? Once again you have your head up your burro...NOBODY escapes taxes..

mtgoat666 - 12-23-2016 at 05:41 PM

Its a true sign of old age and obsolesence when you start whining that the world is going to hell in a handbasket and everything was better when i was younger!

Youth is an additude! Change yours!

P.s. Quit whining about your lack of paying work and get a better job!

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I was born in California, watched it go downhill as "east coast liberals" arrived and wanted to make this state 'stink' like the one they moved away from! Why do I have to move from my native land? California schools here were some of the nation's best in the 60s and 70s... became the worst in the 90s and 00s.

Californians who wanted their freedoms back had to move to other states (or Mexico)! Not all of us can. My kids both want to leave, one did. The other can't make enough to have the lifestyle they grew up in because living costs are so now high here (but not in other states).

Why is it this way? Big government doing far more than the constitution mandates and allowing non-tax paying law breakers to have sanctuary, on the backs of the taxpayers.

[Edited on 12-24-2016 by David K]

KurtG - 12-23-2016 at 06:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I was born in California, watched it go downhill as "east coast liberals" arrived and wanted to make this state 'stink' like the one they moved away from! Why do I have to move from my native land? California schools here were some of the nation's best in the 60s and 70s... became the worst in the 90s and 00s.

Californians who wanted their freedoms back had to move to other states (or Mexico)! Not all of us can. My kids both want to leave, one did. The other can't make enough to have the lifestyle they grew up in because living costs are so now high here (but not in other states).

Why is it this way? Big government doing far more than the constitution mandates and allowing non-tax paying law breakers to have sanctuary, on the backs of the taxpayers.

[Edited on 12-24-2016 by David K]


Well, not a "east coast liberal" but from the Minnesota north country. I've been in California full time since 1974 and part time before that. I have supported myself and my two children while self-employed and they now are living and doing well here in an area that is similar economically to the N. San Diego County area where you live by taking advantage of our good education system and through their own efforts. As a small business person I never considered California's regulatory atmosphere to be oppressive nor taxes unreasonable. My family and friends in Minnesota pay lower taxes and vehicle fees but for several months per year spend $3-500/month to heat their homes. There is always a trade off. I live a pretty modest life but manage to do so in what I consider one of the best areas in the US. When one of my friends say they are fed up and moving to Idaho I just reply "send me a postcard, I'm staying here." I think I save enough by not needing a winter wardrobe to offset my higher DMV fees.

David K - 12-23-2016 at 06:07 PM

You are right Kurt... I was sympathetic to BajaBreak and agreeing with bajaguy.
Happy Festivus everyone!

David K - 12-23-2016 at 06:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
easy...move...or register your vehicle on time.


Thanks for the tip. Your insightful advice and wisdom is greatly appreciated.


He is the wise one who lives in Arizona and Baja Sur, but knows more about California than we do!

BajaBreak - 12-23-2016 at 06:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
How do they get out of paying taxes> Does Kalifornia issue a card that exempts them from Gas Tax, Sales Tax, excise tax, luxury tax, property tax, tax on phone service, internet, utility tax.. ad nauseum? Once again you have your head up your burro...NOBODY escapes taxes..


One way to avoid paying CA DMV fees is, if you moved to CA from out of state, you just keep your out of state plates for as long as possible. Probably saves people money on insurance too.

DENNIS - 12-23-2016 at 06:16 PM


Ohhh...let's not be impatient with ol' Ralph. His gout flares up every now and then, and he gets a bit grouchy, but so do I. Not like Ralph of course, but I'm learnin'. :lol:

BajaBreak - 12-23-2016 at 06:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
easy...move...or register your vehicle on time.


Thanks for the tip. Your insightful advice and wisdom is greatly appreciated.


He is the wise one who lives in Arizona and Baja Sur, but knows more about California than we do!


I've spent much time in the last 20+ years at the DMV registering vehicles, and the list of fees has gotten ridiculous. It's not really about whether I can afford to pay it, but if I should eally have to pay it.

Why some people who do not even live in CA have such a strong opinion is beyond me. Envy I guess. Despite it's faults, there is a reason so many people move here, it is a beautiful state, albeit poorly run.

msteve1014 - 12-23-2016 at 06:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak  
Quote: Originally posted by msteve1014  


Who's fault is that? You could have done this ON TIME and never had a problem. Now you have a big one.
My ct90 has been non op for years, cost me $5.


It's actually the post office's fault, as well as the DMV.

Don't worry, you'll get a notice soon that you will need to pay another fee to renew your non-op "registration", like they did recently for Permanent Trailer Registration. FYI, last I paid it, non-op is $19, but I think that went up too...



If you renew on time it can be done online, don't blame the post office.
I mailed renewals in for 30 years. Never lost one. You lost 2???
BS

DENNIS - 12-23-2016 at 08:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak  
Haha, Dennis. Point taken.

I gotta turn the heater on, it just dropped below 70'F.

Happy Holidays to all. Merry Christmas even. Happy Kwanza while I'm at it!


Igualmente, BB. Thanks, and stay warm.

msteve1014 - 12-23-2016 at 09:04 PM

It's not your fault, maybe just bad karma.

Have a lovely day.

rts551 - 12-24-2016 at 06:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
easy...move...or register your vehicle on time.


Thanks for the tip. Your insightful advice and wisdom is greatly appreciated.


He is the wise one who lives in Arizona and Baja Sur, but knows more about California than we do!


Yep. raised in Riverside and Coachella Valley before you were born. Graduate from the University of California. Many years lives in Weimar California. Moved to Arizona because of a work transfer and did not whine about it. Live in Baja Sur because I worked hard enough and saved enough to do that. Now I enjoy life instead of whine about life.

rts551 - 12-24-2016 at 06:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
easy...move...or register your vehicle on time.


Thanks for the tip. Your insightful advice and wisdom is greatly appreciated.


He is the wise one who lives in Arizona and Baja Sur, but knows more about California than we do!


I've spent much time in the last 20+ years at the DMV registering vehicles, and the list of fees has gotten ridiculous. It's not really about whether I can afford to pay it, but if I should eally have to pay it.

Why some people who do not even live in CA have such a strong opinion is beyond me. Envy I guess. Despite it's faults, there is a reason so many people move here, it is a beautiful state, albeit poorly run.


I love Kalifornia and not the one complaining about it.

BajaMama - 12-24-2016 at 08:30 AM

Born and raised in California - lived in Nevada for many years. Back in California. But not gonna retire here. Taxes way to high in this state. Will probably go back to Nevada or another state where my guns are legal and I am not taxed an extra 20% just in income and property taxes. Plus all the land here is fenced in. I miss the wide open BLM land.

bajaguy - 12-24-2016 at 08:36 AM

Gardnerville, Fernley, Dayton.........great areas and open country

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Born and raised in California - lived in Nevada for many years. Back in California. But not gonna retire here. Taxes way to high in this state. Will probably go back to Nevada or another state where my guns are legal and I am not taxed an extra 20% just in income and property taxes. Plus all the land here is fenced in. I miss the wide open BLM land.

BajaMama - 12-24-2016 at 08:36 AM

"Why is it this way? Big government doing far more than the constitution mandates and allowing non-tax paying law breakers to have sanctuary, on the backs of the taxpayers.

[Edited on 12-24-2016 by David K] "

California taxes will go higher because of sanctuary cities - Trump will cut off funding so we will have to raise taxes to compensate. Ugh.

mtgoat666 - 12-24-2016 at 09:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Born and raised in California - lived in Nevada for many years. Back in California. But not gonna retire here. Taxes way to high in this state. Will probably go back to Nevada or another state where my guns are legal and I am not taxed an extra 20% just in income and property taxes. Plus all the land here is fenced in. I miss the wide open BLM land.


Nevada is a chithole, ruined by gambling. The schools suck, and higher education system is pretty mediocre. Good luck using those blm lands long term, the GOP wants to sell them, so it will all be fenced soon. The remaining blm lands will be fenced off for strip mining.
If you want to build your life around guns (seems like a silly goal to me), you can still own a gun in California within reason. But if you want to make your life all about killing machines, please do go to Nevada, we prefer to be about life in California, and don't see a point in having neighbors that focus on guns at the expense of civil society. So, yes, please leave and take your guns with you! If you come to your senses and reprioritize your life, you will be welcome back in California.

P.s. When you leave, could you take DK with you? :lol::lol::lol:

Bubba - 12-24-2016 at 09:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Born and raised in California - lived in Nevada for many years. Back in California. But not gonna retire here. Taxes way to high in this state. Will probably go back to Nevada or another state where my guns are legal and I am not taxed an extra 20% just in income and property taxes. Plus all the land here is fenced in. I miss the wide open BLM land.


Nevada is a chithole, ruined by gambling. The schools suck, and higher education system is pretty mediocre. Good luck using those blm lands long term, the GOP wants to sell them, so it will all be fenced soon. The remaining blm lands will be fenced off for strip mining.
If you want to build your life around guns (seems like a silly goal to me), you can still own a gun in California within reason. But if you want to make your life all about killing machines, please do go to Nevada, we prefer to be about life in California, and don't see a point in having neighbors that focus on guns at the expense of civil society. So, yes, please leave and take your guns with you! If you come to your senses and reprioritize your life, you will be welcome back in California.

P.s. When you leave, could you take DK with you? :lol::lol::lol:


I don't pay attention to anything you post but I did notice your tag line say's "Not My President Elect!" News flash cowboy, if you live in our Country Mr Trump IS your president.

rts551 - 12-24-2016 at 09:31 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Born and raised in California - lived in Nevada for many years. Back in California. But not gonna retire here. Taxes way to high in this state. Will probably go back to Nevada or another state where my guns are legal and I am not taxed an extra 20% just in income and property taxes. Plus all the land here is fenced in. I miss the wide open BLM land.


Good for you. Life is all about choices and then being responsible/accountable for those choices. Much better than whining about how it is someone elses fault.

MitchMan - 12-24-2016 at 11:16 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I was born in California, watched it go downhill as "east coast liberals" arrived and wanted to make this state 'stink' like the one they moved away from! Why do I have to move from my native land? California schools here were some of the nation's best in the 60s and 70s... became the worst in the 90s and 00s.

Californians who wanted their freedoms back had to move to other states (or Mexico)! Not all of us can. My kids both want to leave, one did. The other can't make enough to have the lifestyle they grew up in because living costs are so now high here (but not in other states).

Why is it this way? Big government doing far more than the constitution mandates and allowing non-tax paying law breakers to have sanctuary, on the backs of the taxpayers.

[Edited on 12-24-2016 by David K]


The problem that we have economically, and the problem that Europe has economically is due to "supply side economics". Supply side economics is what has caused universal economic hardship for the bottom 98% all over the western world. Be advised that "supply side economics" is a right wing, conservative, Republican creation...not an east coast liberal thing. It started with Ronald Reagan and continues to this day. It is the complete and entire reason for our children’s inability to do as well economically as we retired guys have done. It is completely a right wing thing. Completely.

Supply side economics stands for lower income tax rates for the top earners, a reduction or elimination of estate taxes, reduction and/or elimination of unions and collective bargaining, removal of the minimum wage, less regulation so that business can save money by not spending money on regulation compliance where the regulations expand competition and protect the worker and the consumers from harm and that protect consumers from financial harm and protect the planet from harm, increased spending on defense and reduction in entitlements and Medicare and Social Security, plus more privatization of government functions. It was right wing supply side economics of insufficient regulation and application that was the entire and complete cause of the near collapse in 2008 of the financial structure and the resultant past 30 years of economic financial hardship of the bottom 98% and the accompanying destructive inequitable lopsided disparity of wealth and income that our country currently has.

Supply side economics is a right wing agenda ushered in by the Presidency of Ronal Reagan, and, our economy continues to reflect the right wing agenda to this day.

Blaming undocumented immigrants and big government is not the problem. You are looking at the trees and ignoring the much larger forest, not to mention your ignoring the entire discipline of macroeconomics...as usual. The assessment of national and global economic condition and its causes is a "macroeconomic" exercise. Please try to remember that.

Donald Trump will be the President because he won the electoral college vote by falsely representing that he is for the working man but all of his appointments scream “supply side economics” in spades. (What will be the outcome of Trump’s Presidency will be less regulation, lower taxes for the top earners, less collective bargaining, reduction or elimination of the estate tax, fewer financial consumer protections, more spending on defense and reductions to Medicare, Social Security, and other safety nets, all of which will lead to more economic disparity into the long term. That means things will not be good for our kids in the long term.

That is and has always been the long term result of supply side economics which is "a right wing thing"...not an east coast liberal thing.

Also, there will be no “draining of the swamp” in DC as Trump is filling the swamp with his own critters.

BTW, California has the 6th largest economy in the world.

[Edited on 12-24-2016 by MitchMan]

BajaBreak - 12-24-2016 at 11:21 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
easy...move...or register your vehicle on time.


Thanks for the tip. Your insightful advice and wisdom is greatly appreciated.


He is the wise one who lives in Arizona and Baja Sur, but knows more about California than we do!


I've spent much time in the last 20+ years at the DMV registering vehicles, and the list of fees has gotten ridiculous. It's not really about whether I can afford to pay it, but if I should eally have to pay it.

Why some people who do not even live in CA have such a strong opinion is beyond me. Envy I guess. Despite it's faults, there is a reason so many people move here, it is a beautiful state, albeit poorly run.


I love Kalifornia and not the one complaining about it.


This was about fees, CA DMV fees in particular, which you do not even pay. It is usually prudent to question why fees increase, and what they are for.

You love California, but can't have the respect to spell it right?


BajaBreak - 12-24-2016 at 11:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Born and raised in California - lived in Nevada for many years. Back in California. But not gonna retire here. Taxes way to high in this state. Will probably go back to Nevada or another state where my guns are legal and I am not taxed an extra 20% just in income and property taxes. Plus all the land here is fenced in. I miss the wide open BLM land.


Good for you. Life is all about choices and then being responsible/accountable for those choices. Much better than whining about how it is someone elses fault.


You should write a book on life philosophy with all your insightful wisdom. Many people probably don't know life is really that simple.

Or, just keep whining on the internet about other people discussing their opinions on how they may feel they are being forced to pay fees and taxes excessively. I'd guess your income and retirement comes from tax money, thus your resson to defend it.

[Edited on 12-24-2016 by BajaBreak]

rts551 - 12-24-2016 at 11:59 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Born and raised in California - lived in Nevada for many years. Back in California. But not gonna retire here. Taxes way to high in this state. Will probably go back to Nevada or another state where my guns are legal and I am not taxed an extra 20% just in income and property taxes. Plus all the land here is fenced in. I miss the wide open BLM land.


Good for you. Life is all about choices and then being responsible/accountable for those choices. Much better than whining about how it is someone elses fault.



You should write a book on life philosophy with all your insightful wisdom. Many people probably don't know life is really that simple.

Or, just keep whining on the internet about other people discussing their opinions on how they may feel they are being forced to pay fees and taxes excessively. I'd guess your income and retirement comes from tax money, thus your resson to defend it.

[Edited on 12-24-2016 by BajaBreak]


Keep whining. You get no sympathy from me. All tears, you must have a sad life.

mtgoat666 - 12-24-2016 at 12:38 PM

You poor fool!

You woked hard and the system left you in the dust. Nothing trump does will change your situation.

Trump won't change globalism. The ship has sailed. Wage decreases and cuts in benefits are what the GOP is selling to the working poor, blue collar and under-educated.. You should have thought about this before voting for the party that wants you to work for low wages, w/o health care, with increasing retirement age, decreasing SS safety net, and tax cuts for the rich.

On that note,..

Merry xmas!



Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by MitchMan  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I was born in California, watched it go downhill as "east coast liberals" arrived and wanted to make this state 'stink' like the one they moved away from! Why do I have to move from my native land? California schools here were some of the nation's best in the 60s and 70s... became the worst in the 90s and 00s.

Californians who wanted their freedoms back had to move to other states (or Mexico)! Not all of us can. My kids both want to leave, one did. The other can't make enough to have the lifestyle they grew up in because living costs are so now high here (but not in other states).

Why is it this way? Big government doing far more than the constitution mandates and allowing non-tax paying law breakers to have sanctuary, on the backs of the taxpayers.

[Edited on 12-24-2016 by David K]


The problem that we have economically, and the problem that Europe has economically is due to "supply side economics". Supply side economics is what has caused universal economic hardship for the bottom 98% all over the western world. Be advised that "supply side economics" is a right wing, conservative, Republican creation...not an east coast liberal thing. It started with Ronald Reagan and continues to this day. It is the complete and entire reason for our children’s inability to do as well economically as we retired guys have done. It is completely a right wing thing. Completely.

Supply side economics stands for lower income tax rates for the top earners, a reduction or elimination of estate taxes, reduction and/or elimination of unions and collective bargaining, removal of the minimum wage, less regulation so that business can save money by not spending money on regulation compliance where the regulations expand competition and protect the worker and the consumers from harm and that protect consumers from financial harm and protect the planet from harm, increased spending on defense and reduction in entitlements and Medicare and Social Security, plus more privatization of government functions. It was right wing supply side economics of insufficient regulation and application that was the entire and complete cause of the near collapse in 2008 of the financial structure and the resultant past 30 years of economic financial hardship of the bottom 98% and the accompanying destructive inequitable lopsided disparity of wealth and income that our country currently has.

Supply side economics is a right wing agenda ushered in by the Presidency of Ronal Reagan and our economy continues to reflect the right wing agenda to this day.

Donald Trump will be the President because he won the electoral college vote by falsely representing that he is for the working man but all of his appointments scream “supply side economics” in spades. What will be the outcome of Trump’s Presidency will be less regulation, lower taxes for the top earners, less collective bargaining, reduction or elimination of the estate tax, fewer financial consumer protections, more spending on defense and reductions to Medicare, Social Security, and other safety nets, all of which will lead to more economic disparity into the long term. That means things will not be good for our kids in the long term.

That is and has always been the long term result of supply side economics which is "a right wing thing"...not an east coast liberal thing.

Also, there will be no “draining of the swamp” in DC as Trump is filling the swamp with his own critters.

BTW, California has the 6th largest economy in the world.


Wow, such denial... It is so easy to see how far off the mark this is. We may be the 6th largest economy, but if you SPEND more than you take in, you are as poor as Burundi. We don't have a tax income problem, we have a spending problem! Our streets could be paved with gold (or at least fresh asphalt) if the government was a good steward of our money.

Capitalism, free-market, supply-side (in your terms) is why America is the great nation with unlimited potential for ANYONE who works for it to achieve. It is far fairer a system than one that 'punishes success' with taxes that grow relative to how successful you are. It also produces far more jobs at no cost to taxpayers than the false, shovel ready government jobs wildly touted, but never existed or lasted.

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rts551 - 12-24-2016 at 12:49 PM

Merry XMAS and Happy Holidays everyone. I am thankful life is so wonderful. Hope yours is or will get better.

[Edited on 12-24-2016 by rts551]

BajaBreak - 12-24-2016 at 01:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Born and raised in California - lived in Nevada for many years. Back in California. But not gonna retire here. Taxes way to high in this state. Will probably go back to Nevada or another state where my guns are legal and I am not taxed an extra 20% just in income and property taxes. Plus all the land here is fenced in. I miss the wide open BLM land.


Good for you. Life is all about choices and then being responsible/accountable for those choices. Much better than whining about how it is someone elses fault.



You should write a book on life philosophy with all your insightful wisdom. Many people probably don't know life is really that simple.

Or, just keep whining on the internet about other people discussing their opinions on how they may feel they are being forced to pay fees and taxes excessively. I'd guess your income and retirement comes from tax money, thus your resson to defend it.

[Edited on 12-24-2016 by BajaBreak]


Keep whining. You get no sympathy from me. All tears, you must have a sad life.


I want nothing from you. My life is better than it has been in years, thank you.

You're not fooling anyone. You must have a sad life yourself, spending your time enjoying other people's misfortunes and insulting them on the internet, you miserable old self-righteous jerk.

Apparently you have some personal problem with me, maybe from some opinion I've shared before. So yeah, pluck you too. Get some hobbies.

DENNIS - 12-24-2016 at 01:43 PM


Wellll....OK.........that was fun? :lol:

rts551 - 12-24-2016 at 02:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Born and raised in California - lived in Nevada for many years. Back in California. But not gonna retire here. Taxes way to high in this state. Will probably go back to Nevada or another state where my guns are legal and I am not taxed an extra 20% just in income and property taxes. Plus all the land here is fenced in. I miss the wide open BLM land.


Good for you. Life is all about choices and then being responsible/accountable for those choices. Much better than whining about how it is someone elses fault.



You should write a book on life philosophy with all your insightful wisdom. Many people probably don't know life is really that simple.

Or, just keep whining on the internet about other people discussing their opinions on how they may feel they are being forced to pay fees and taxes excessively. I'd guess your income and retirement comes from tax money, thus your resson to defend it.

[Edited on 12-24-2016 by BajaBreak]


Keep whining. You get no sympathy from me. All tears, you must have a sad life.


I want nothing from you. My life is better than it has been in years, thank you.

You're not fooling anyone. You must have a sad life yourself, spending your time enjoying other people's misfortunes and insulting them on the internet, you miserable old self-righteous jerk.

Apparently you have some personal problem with me, maybe from some opinion I've shared before. So yeah, pluck you too. Get some hobbies.


Merry Christmas.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

sancho - 12-24-2016 at 02:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Its a true sign of old age and obsolesence when you start whining that the world is going to hell in a handbasket and everything was better when i was younger!












Here in So. Orange Co., when I was younger it was better,
renting a 2 bdm. apt. for $120, split 3 ways, buy a 5 yr. old
VW for $500, work on it yourself, one barely
needed a job, left days to surf. Now an apt. is $2200, used
car $10,000. I see these kids, fortunately avoided having
my own, go to some Ca State College, get a basket weaving
degree, come back to San Celmente and live at home, I don't
see it as much of an option for them to pack up and move to
Carolina for cheaper living, with
prospects here for them virtually nil. Was a news piece a couple
days back,
more 20 somethings living at their parents than at any time
since the depression era 75 yrs. + ago, so I understand your
phrase, but it was WAY less finanically stressful some
45 yrs. ago, now there are all sorts of abnormalities, drug
adiction, mental disorders seem to be frequent




monoloco - 12-24-2016 at 03:24 PM

Maybe the fees in California are higher because they are subsidizing a whole bunch of red states.
https://mises.org/blog/which-states-rely-most-federal-spendi...

rts551 - 12-24-2016 at 03:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS  

Ohhh...let's not be impatient with ol' Ralph. His gout flares up every now and then, and he gets a bit grouchy, but so do I. Not like Ralph of course, but I'm learnin'. :lol:


Dennis I missed this one. Its not my gout that flares up.....but I do get grouchy. Merry xmas.

David K - 12-24-2016 at 03:45 PM

Merry Christmas!!!

basautter - 12-24-2016 at 04:54 PM

10 bucks?? No problemo:bounce::bounce:

mtgoat666 - 12-24-2016 at 06:34 PM

trump can't fix it.
You need a skill and smarts to get ahead these days. No longer can mediocrity bring comfortable std of living.
It is my opinion that the smart are making tons of money and can afford taxation to support the lazy.
Statistics illustrating increasing income inequality demonstrate how the system is screwing the little guy.
Tax cuts for corporations and the rich, paired with social safety net cuts, cuts of regulations, will just increase income inequality and make life in ghettos (like Poway, yes Poway is a middle class ghetto of working stiffs enslaved to the man) more polluted and less safe due to safety Regs and liability laws being cut to favor the corporations.

Happy holidays!

Keep working suckers! My stock holdings appreciate your quiet compliance!


Quote: Originally posted by sancho  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Its a true sign of old age and obsolesence when you start whining that the world is going to hell in a handbasket and everything was better when i was younger!


Here in So. Orange Co., when I was younger it was better,
renting a 2 bdm. apt. for $120, split 3 ways, buy a 5 yr. old
VW for $500, work on it yourself, one barely
needed a job, left days to surf. Now an apt. is $2200, used
car $10,000. I see these kids, fortunately avoided having
my own, go to some Ca State College, get a basket weaving
degree, come back to San Celmente and live at home, I don't
see it as much of an option for them to pack up and move to
Carolina for cheaper living, with
prospects here for them virtually nil. Was a news piece a couple
days back,
more 20 somethings living at their parents than at any time
since the depression era 75 yrs. + ago, so I understand your
phrase, but it was WAY less finanically stressful some
45 yrs. ago, now there are all sorts of abnormalities, drug
adiction, mental disorders seem to be frequent




chuckie - 12-25-2016 at 05:00 AM

Life is good...

KurtG - 12-25-2016 at 09:31 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Life is good...


Yes, it is. We're still vertical, breathing, and looking forward to another year.

Salsa - 12-26-2016 at 02:08 PM

In the 50's the Kalifornia slogan was :

Welfare on the beach beats working !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don
Arizona now

Maybe it still is.