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Protests in Mexico Push Country to Brink of Revolution and Nobody’s Talking About It

unbob - 1-12-2017 at 01:52 PM

Mexico is ripe for revolution. Whether it’s triggered now by the gas gouging and subsequent inflation or in the near future, it’s coming — and we should be talking about it.

http://theantimedia.org/protests-mexico-brink-revolution/

Familiar Territory

MrBillM - 1-12-2017 at 06:18 PM

If you were to count the number of times Mexico has been on the verge...............................

You'd lose count.

greengoes - 1-12-2017 at 06:57 PM

Revolution? No. Anarchy? Maybe.

You need leaders for a revolution and none have applied for the job yet.

bajaguy - 1-12-2017 at 07:00 PM

Where is Pancho now that we need him??
Quote: Originally posted by greengoes  


You need leaders for a revolution and none have applied for the job yet.

David K - 1-12-2017 at 07:05 PM

Why there is no need or a popular push for a revolution (from what I hear in Mexico):

The food, beer, and tequila is good and they can vote for more than just one person or political party... but mostly, because the food is good.

DENNIS - 1-12-2017 at 07:15 PM

Nonsense. The U.S. Merida Initiative didn't arm to the teeth disgruntled citizens in a gas line. The government has all the guns.

JoeJustJoe - 1-13-2017 at 11:44 AM

I doubt the latest problems in Mexico about oil, will cause the country to be on the brink of revolution, but it's an interesting idea, and perhaps there should be a revolution in Mexico, and in the USA for that matter, because I predicts things will get real bad for the masses in the US very soon.

However, it's a good article, that cited the problems coming from "Neoliberal" policies that have left the working class behind.

Another word for "Neoliberal" is conservative polices modeled after the absolute worst of American capitalism, and the "privatization" of Mexican industries, and putting it in the control of a handful of rich individuals who then have a monopoly on the industry.

From the article:

Neoliberal policies left the working class behind

NAFTA was a contentious issue in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, but it’s just as controversial in Mexico, if not more so. The grand 1994 “free trade” scheme, signed into law by Bill Clinton, saw a dramatic redesign of both the U.S. and Mexican economic landscapes. Corn farmers, long a vital factor in Mexico’s peasant farming economy, were wiped out by low-priced corn subsidized by the U.S. government, which immediately flooded Mexican markets after NAFTA was passed. The Mexican immigration crisis at the U.S.’ southern border soon followed.
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JJJ comments:

Even in 2014, most Mexicans knew that privatization of Mexico oil was just a scheme to enrich the 1% and that 1930's President Lázaro Cárdenas, had the right idea of kicking out Standard Oil. Mexico, should have just said No to American oil companies like Exxon, that say they want to help Mexico with it's aging oil problems at PEMEX.

The problem is US companies like Exxon, refuse to help Mexico extract that hard to get deep ocean oil, without getting getting a cut of the profits and by making Mexico turn over part of Mexico's natural resources to foreign companies like Exxon.

So moving forward PEMEX that has historically distributed its profits among the Mexican population, will help it's people less and less, while the oil profits go into the hands of rich Mexicans, and foreign US corporations.

So ""gasolinazo" was easy to predict, knowing that with privatizing of the oil industry, that Mexico could no longer subsidies gasoline prices.

It also doesn't help that Mexico now has to import the majority of it's oil on the open market, because of it's aging infrastructural problems, that again, foreign companies didn't want to help without a major cut of the profits, which really amount to turning over ownership to foreign companies.
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A few articles in 2014 that knew privatization would be a bad thing:

The Privatization of Mexico's Oil Is a Scheme to Enrich the 1%

Changes to Mexican energy policy will accelerate inequality and environmental devastation.

http://www.alternet.org/world/privatization-mexicos-oil-sche...
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Privatising Mexico's oil industry spells disaster

Who can deny that Mexico is one of the most admired cradles of civilisation, with its culture and history considered an integral part of the world's historical heritage. Yet, Mexico is also a country whose population for centuries has been raped by corrupt authoritarian governments; it is a country which has suffered domestic and regional conflicts leading to foreign interventions backing extractive business interests.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/12/privatising...



[Edited on 1-13-2017 by JoeJustJoe]

motoged - 1-13-2017 at 11:51 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Where is Pancho now that we need him??
Quote: Originally posted by greengoes  


I think Pancho is still at Punta/Bahia San Raphael....and he has been there 31 years, he says :light:

David K - 1-13-2017 at 12:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Where is Pancho now that we need him??
Quote: Originally posted by greengoes  


I think Pancho is still at Punta/Bahia San Raphael....and he has been there 31 years, he says :light:


SAN RAFAEL
Yes, he is still there as of Jan. 1, 2017 when I visited with him. Only thing, he doesn't have the name Villa!

amigobaja - 1-13-2017 at 12:31 PM

i saw poncho driving through mulege yesterday

wessongroup - 1-13-2017 at 12:41 PM

Mexico’s Refinery Output Slides as Government Opens Fuel Market

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-28/mexico-s-...

This shouldn't have come as a shock ... to some

And one large refinery in Mexico City was closed due to "air pollution" .. not sure how many they have going, but, would imagine not enough ... and guess what Mexico is broke ... go figure

Things would appear to be getting even worse ... due to external factors from the United States on Immigration and the export of goods produced in Mexico and then sold in the United States

Some very difficult times for Mexico and/or its people

chuckie - 1-13-2017 at 12:59 PM

The unrest is NOT going to go away..Too many more irritants following on....I am thinking the people, altho historicly long suffering and patient, have had about enough. Revolution? Maybe...Several legislators are calling for what they call a "quiet revolution" Who knows what that means...Anarchy? Likely....In any event, much stress on the infrastructures..Have a plan...

JoeJustJoe - 1-13-2017 at 01:37 PM

If you read between the lines of Wesson's "Blomberg article, you will see that Mexico is in a quandary, and the US oil companies are like vultures circling above, and it will only get worse, if Rex Tillerson, makes it past the confirmation hearing and represents ExxonMobil, as the Secretary of State. ( I know on paper he is officially retired from Exxon, but who believes that?)

It's almost funny reading the article, pretty much saying Mexico should close their refineries, and just import foreign oil, and be at the mercy of foreign countries.

The goal, or lie was to bring in outside investments to open competition in order to offset rapid decline in oil production. But that's not working out either, at least not for the Mexicans.

So according to the article, bringing in outside investments partners could result in losing
100 billion pesos a year.

This is the way I see it, if I had a pipe leak in my house, I call a big plumbing company to fix the leaking pipe, and they tell me I need to get the whole house re-piped but I can't afford it. I then offer to get a bank loan, and pay the plumbing company, but they refuse the bank loan, and tell me the only way we will will re-pipe the whole house, is if I agree to put plumbing companies name on the title of the house, and if any equity comes from the house, they want a major cut of any profits.

The USA and US companies, especially oil companies truly are evil, and stuff like this has been going on for years in Latin America.
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Highlights from the "Blomberg" article:


Mexico opened its energy industry to outside investment and more competition in 2013 in a bid to offset a rapid decline in oil production.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the Mexican refineries close once they liberalize the market,” Andrew Echlin, an oil products analyst at Energy Aspects Ltd., said on the phone from New York. “Pemex’s refineries clearly need a lot of money put into them,

Mexico could eliminate government-set fuel prices as soon as next year as it works to open the energy market. Other recent reforms have enabled private companies to buy stakes in Pemex’s refineries and to sell and distribute fuel in Mexico.


Pemex Chief Executive Officer Jose Antonio Gonzalez Anaya said in an April 19 interview at Bloomberg’s New York office that bringing in partners may include giving up an operating interest in refineries, which he said lose 100 billion pesos a year.

norte - 1-13-2017 at 04:35 PM

People are tired of a corrupt thieving government. In the name of free enterprise the poor people are screwed again.

DENNIS - 1-13-2017 at 04:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by norte  
People are tired of a corrupt thieving government. In the name of free enterprise the poor people are screwed again.


So.....what are they going to do about it?

chuckie - 1-13-2017 at 05:24 PM

Dennis, I suspect that there will be some leadership emerge before long...What will they do? It may be the "quiet revolution" that is being talked about by some Mexican legislators, it may be a general disruption of process, it may be nothing...I doubt the latter....Lets hope it isn't too violent and chaotic...

David K - 1-13-2017 at 05:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by norte  
People are tired of a corrupt thieving government. In the name of free enterprise the poor people are screwed again.


It is not free enterprise if the government controls the industry, it is socialism. Government's job is to create a condition where free enterprise can thrive, create jobs, products, and services, that benefit everyone. Over regulation and over taxation is just government greed. Down with Big Government!

motoged - 1-13-2017 at 06:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  


It is not free enterprise if the government controls the industry, it is socialism. Government's job is to create a condition where free enterprise can thrive, create jobs, products, and services, that benefit everyone. Over regulation and over taxation is just government greed. Down with Big Government!


So nice to see you have such a fresh new view on the political front...and your new boy there is doing such a fine job of draining the swamp....:lol::lol::lol:

Hero????

NOT

rts551 - 1-13-2017 at 06:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
People are tired of a corrupt thieving government. In the name of free enterprise the poor people are screwed again.


It is not free enterprise if the government controls the industry, it is socialism. Government's job is to create a condition where free enterprise can thrive, create jobs, products, and services, that benefit everyone. Over regulation and over taxation is just government greed. Down with Big Government!


Yes they just took the first step in deregulation...Seems the common folk were happy with "socialism" at least as you define it.

yumawill - 1-13-2017 at 07:00 PM

The U.S hasn't built a refinery in 30 years due to increased environmental restrictions. But we have expanded the existing one's and increased production.
Mexico hasn't built a new refinery in 40 years and not maintained the ones they have. The keystone pipeline will bring oil to the gulf region without drilling a single offshore hole. If mexico would allow Exxon to build refineries in Northern Mexico there wil be plenty of GAS for all.
Today Gas in yuma is $2.05. California $$2.89. Baja $3.99. Why? Let the market forces play out. People vote with their feet, mostly.

chuckie - 1-13-2017 at 07:25 PM

DK is a master at stating the obvious, very sophomoric. Yumawill, you clearly miss the point and don't understand the problem...People vote with their feet when there is someplace for their feet to take them. In Mexico tis PEMEX. As to EXXON building refineries in Northern Mexico, BOSH! Your comments re: The Keystone tube and US gas prices are non relevant to the issue. We are talking about Mexico....eh?

mtgoat666 - 1-13-2017 at 08:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by norte  
People are tired of a corrupt thieving government. In the name of free enterprise the poor people are screwed again.


And the people elected trump, people never learn!

You should have voted for Bernie!

mtgoat666 - 1-13-2017 at 08:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
People are tired of a corrupt thieving government. In the name of free enterprise the poor people are screwed again.


It is not free enterprise if the government controls the industry, it is socialism. Government's job is to create a condition where free enterprise can thrive, create jobs, products, and services, that benefit everyone. Over regulation and over taxation is just government greed. Down with Big Government!


If trump's Goldman Sachs buddies runs govt, you may as well kiss your std of living away! Corporations will rape/pillage USA, and at end of day ship the remaining jobs to Malaysia, Borneo, Thailand, mexico, etc.
Trump is all hat, no cattle.

[Edited on 1-14-2017 by mtgoat666]

BajaGringo - 1-13-2017 at 08:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  

...What will they do? It may be the "quiet revolution" that is being talked about by some Mexican legislators, it may be a general disruption of process, it may be nothing...I doubt the latter....Lets hope it isn't too violent and chaotic...


I agree. The people are tired, frustrated and extremely angry. It's not just over the gasolinazo but multiple things that have built up and compounded by decades of growing corruption with impunity. Some of the most outrageous cases involving several governors under investigation has people abandoning their decades old political alliances and pushed them out into the streets calling for the heads of their own parties today.

What really makes it different this time is that it's not just the poor or one particular political party but EVERYBODY! Rich and poor, college educated professionals and farmworkers/laborers, conservatives and liberals, young and old. Many down here in Peña Nieto's own PRI party are now discussing the option of asking him to step down, something unthinkable just a few months ago. That idea has gotten pushed further forward now with the recent statements made by General Cienfuegos, the head of the armed forces who has made public statements that he is not in agreement with the direction that Mexico is taking and that he is there to serve the Mexican public, not political special interests or agendas. Many down here took that as a sign of a possible military coup in the works but insiders tell me that he was just publically withdrawing his support from the president to lay the groundwork for others who are actively working to undermine him politically to be able to formally ask for his resignation.

Who knows but having lived through such tumultuous times socially and politically in South America decades back, the mood here feels very, very much the same today here in Mexico. We'll see...
Quote: Originally posted by yumawill  

Today Gas in yuma is $2.05. California $$2.89. Baja $3.99. Why? Let the market forces play out. People vote with their feet, mostly.


I just filled up today in San Quintin and paid 16.16/L. You must be getting a really crappy exchange rate:

(16.16MXN/L) X 3.785 = 61.17MXN/gallon / 21 (pesos:dollar) = $2.91USD/gallon



[Edited on 1-14-2017 by BajaGringo]

JoeJustJoe - 1-13-2017 at 09:04 PM

Oil subsidies do work sometimes, for example look at Saudi Arabia. Of course Mexico doesn't have as much oil as Saudi Arabia, and they have a large population.

But lying to the Mexican people, and telling them privatization, will bring them lower gas prices, was not the way to go, when the only ones who got rich, are the friends of President Nieto, and foreign oil companies.

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If you think gas is cheap these days, look what it costs in Saudi Arabia


Suhail al-Tammimi, 32, a religion teacher, filled up his small car for about $7 at the al-Dhaher fueling station in Riyadh on Jan. 19. (Kevin Sullivan/The Washington Post)

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Ahmed al-Ghaith pulled his Dodge Durango into a gas station in central Riyadh and told the attendant to fill it up. In a country where gas sells for 45 cents a gallon, that cost him $12.
With global oil prices plummeting, you might think people in Saudi Arabia, a nation synonymous with oil, where 90 percent of government revenue comes from holes drilled in its majestically profitable sands, would be freaking out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/if-you-thin...

DENNIS - 1-14-2017 at 08:30 AM

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Who knows but having lived through such tumultuous times socially and politically in South America decades back, the mood here feels very, very much the same today here in Mexico. We'll see...


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Unfortunately, Ron.................you'll most likely see more of this before anything considered beneficial:

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB10/intro.htm

[Edited on 1-14-2017 by DENNIS]

BajaGringo - 1-14-2017 at 09:10 AM

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS  

Unfortunately, Ron.................you'll most likely see more of this before anything considered beneficial:

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB10/intro.htm


Hard to say Dennis and you could be right but one big and obvious difference today is that Peña Nieto does not have the political support that Diaz Ordaz had back then. Even General Cienfuegos has been making statements lately creating distance between himself and the president. Look at the continuing political fallout Peña Nieto has endured from the 43 missing students from Ayotzinapa, in spite of no clear evidence linking any federal forces to their disappearance / murders? Today the magnifying glass is really on Peña Nieto, watching his every move with the general population extremely angry and doubting everything he says right now. His popularity is like 20% right now, meaning that half of his own party members have abandoned him already.

Any such action today (like 1968) would almost certainly create a very violent reaction from the population down here that is as fed up collectively as a nation as I have ever seen Mexico in all my years. I brought up the decades old Argentina reference as I feel today the very same general mood here that I felt back then.

But to be clear, I see such a move by Peña Nieto as suicidal as he doesn't have the political or military support to withstand it. All he would have left would be the federal police / gendarmeria and I simply don't think that would be enough. Much more likely he is planning to create a distraction by attempting to focus the country on a much bigger foreign enemy - Trump.

General Galtieri and Admiral Anaya came up with a similar plan when facing such a similar social-political crisis in Argentina back in 1982. The foreign enemy they chose was Great Britain and so overnight they took back the Malvinas (Falkland Islands). That worked for awhile until Margaret Thatcher decided to sail halfway around the world to take back the tiny island chain. Turns out she was needing the same distraction plan as well; facing record unemployment and pressure from the Labour Party.

The very same day the British took back the islands an extremely large mob gathered in the Plaza de Mayo in front of the Casa Rosada, demanding the heads of Galtieri and his advisors. That evening Galtieri went on national TV and announced there would be democratic elections in 90 days, ending six years of military rule over the country.

Amazing times to have lived through and I feel the very same vibe in the streets here today in Mexico. The downside for Peña Nieto is that he doesn't have as big a carrot to offer as Galtieri did back then.

We'll see...

DaliDali - 1-14-2017 at 09:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
People are tired of a corrupt thieving government. In the name of free enterprise the poor people are screwed again.


It is not free enterprise if the government controls the industry, it is socialism. Government's job is to create a condition where free enterprise can thrive, create jobs, products, and services, that benefit everyone. Over regulation and over taxation is just government greed. Down with Big Government!


If trump's Goldman Sachs buddies runs govt, you may as well kiss your std of living away! Corporations will rape/pillage USA, and at end of day ship the remaining jobs to Malaysia, Borneo, Thailand, mexico, etc.
Trump is all hat, no cattle.

[Edited on 1-14-2017 by mtgoat666]


Then the best thing for you to do is just go lay in the shade of big log, close your eyes and slowly pass into the afterlife.

chuckie - 1-14-2017 at 09:15 AM

It is getting very interesting . Dennis in re; your comment on guns in Mexico? Most of the guns are in the hands of the Military, which is one of the most effected groups of all these problems. They are also the sons and daughters of, by and large, the poorest strata of population in Mexico. The commander of the Armies, General Cienfuegos, declared that he is unhappy with the way he sees Mexico going and seems to support the group that wants Nieta to step down...There is no overt suggestion of a Coup at this time....BUT the stars are certainly in line..

BajaGringo - 1-14-2017 at 09:24 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  

...There is no overt suggestion of a Coup at this time....BUT the stars are certainly in line..


Exactly - most here seem to think that Cienfuegos is wanting to put more political pressure on but a coup could very well could happen if Peña Nieto attempted another crackdown like 1968 with the federal police.

I don't think Trump can take office fast enough for Peña Nieto who so badly wants to start making him the main problem for Mexico...

DENNIS - 1-14-2017 at 09:36 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  

Dennis in re; your comment on guns in Mexico? Most of the guns are in the hands of the Military,


Only in your dreams, Chuckie. Guns are everywhere. Even I have one with permission from the military, but I certainly didn't need to go through legal channels.
It's a right protected by the constitution for citizens to own a gun, but that's only a superfluous detail. Quiet, private vigilance is much easier and equally effective.
Remember "Fast and furious?"

shari - 1-14-2017 at 09:40 AM

It is just so overwhelming the amount of increases in essential items...not just gasoline but propane which everyone uses here to cook, electricity etc but no wage increases to cover those costs. I really dont know how the normal Jose is going to cope with all of this as these increases affect everything like the cost of food too and people were barely scraping by as it was.

chuckie - 1-14-2017 at 09:46 AM

Dennis I knew that..I was playing off YOUR comment that the Gummint had the guns....Sorry if I didn't get it right...Statement is still correct tho....The lid may come off..

DENNIS - 1-14-2017 at 09:49 AM

. The US government won't tolerate any type of armed take-over in Mexico, by anybody.

chuckie - 1-14-2017 at 10:02 AM

That's good to know, Dennis...Thank you...

BajaTed - 1-14-2017 at 10:03 AM

"The US government won't tolerate any type of armed take-over in Mexico, by anybody. "

With all due respect, I believe in some aspects, that has already occurred.

DENNIS - 1-14-2017 at 10:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed  
"The US government won't tolerate any type of armed take-over in Mexico, by anybody. "

With all due respect, I believe in some aspects, that has already occurred.



if I may extrapolate your drift, I have to differ on detail. The incursion to which you refer was more a tolerated, internal take-over.....a blending of sorts.
Anyway....back to "Fast And Furious"....... if your point is accurate, that makes the US government implicit in that take-over for supplying arms to the enemy.
The more I write, the less proud and self-righteous I feel. :no:

Terry28 - 1-14-2017 at 11:20 AM

Lotta "experts" here.........

chuckie - 1-14-2017 at 11:22 AM

Wont comment, as I have no idea what either one of you are talking about...

gnukid - 1-14-2017 at 12:50 PM

The USA has been actively involved in destabilization of mexico through direct support of money and weapons to both cartels and government in mexico. The end result is massive economic destabilization and insecurity. This is well documented with efforts such as Fast and Furious, Gun Walking and Merida initiatives.

It is quite sad to see the situation and quite frightening to actually witness violent crimes and murder in nearly every city with one goal in mind, destabilization. Even here on Baja Nomads the violence in Baja is taboo to speak about for example the daily sicario cartel murders on our streets and outside our front doors.

Couldn't we be more honest?

Everyday is becoming a battle and it seems people are becoming passive to the daily violence and lack of response.

These articles, though biased against the USA destabilization of Mexico, do show that the policy has been active and institutional to promote destabilization with criminal activity and corruption. The real question is why is this a policy, who benefits, why is it allowed to continue to the point of total breakdown of mexico and why is "the Octopus" of corruption for profit allowed to profit off the backs of so many for so few?

It seems that now that we have live video, and real time reporting to see exactly what, who, when, and how corruption occurs including video of meetings with corrupt politicians as well as video of the inner workings of cartels and prisons we can see the institutional support for corruption from Washington DC to DF Mexico City.

Besides profit it seems the intention is to dull perception of corruption and violence, just as you see on baja nomad it is largely ignored and denied.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sin...

http://world.time.com/2014/01/14/dea-boosted-mexican-drug-ca...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/15/drug-cartels...

http://conservativetribune.com/obama-admin-met-with-drug-car...

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/jun/18/rick-...

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbe...

https://www.thenation.com/article/us-connection-mexicos-drug...

http://www.storyleak.com/nbc-report-bankers-fund-drug-cartel...

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/19/border-patrol-union-chief-...

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/12/federal-court-...

http://blackagendareport.com/content/obamas-money-cartel-how...

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/north-america/item/...

https://realitieswatch.com/u-s-government-and-top-mexican-dr...

[Edited on 1-14-2017 by gnukid]

chuckie - 1-14-2017 at 01:34 PM

Most of those blurbs are very old news from non credible sources..Nothing there anywhere that is substantive...

gnukid - 1-14-2017 at 01:55 PM

There is a saying, do you think Jose in a van is responsible for trafficking millions of tons of drugs, shipping endless containers of high power weapons and ammo and laundering trillions of dollars?

Put your mind around it, what level or support is required to ship and transfer that much drugs and weapons and money? IT's a massive transfer or materials that requires industirial manufacturing, shipping containers, plans, schedules, planes trains and trucking.

This is not a clandestine operation its right in front of you, open your eyes. Or like CHuckie keep them closed b ut that doesn't make it go away.

If instead of supporting massive corruption through non-response we could be actively supporting productivity, think of the difference for our future.

A little effort and energy goes a long way.


[Edited on 1-14-2017 by gnukid]

chuckie - 1-14-2017 at 01:58 PM

Geezo..yeah that's a problem been one, will continue to be...BUT OLD NEWS!...Wake up...

On the Bright Side of Life

MrBillM - 1-14-2017 at 02:35 PM

The BIG upside to Anarchy (at a distance) is it makes for GREAT TV !

The more, the better.

Especially next door.

Riots are entertaining.

DENNIS - 1-14-2017 at 03:26 PM



Ahhh, Bill....always a patron of the arts.

BajaTed - 1-15-2017 at 10:20 AM

They say that immigration is an economic thing.

It is JUST as much about not getting screwed. ( by cartels, etc.)

Its really our legal system and all about being able to sue someone and live to talk about it with the person you sued someday. (freedom has many layers)

This forum is an extension of the same ideal in my book, no difference

Walk in someone elses shoes when possible for perspective.

DENNIS - 1-15-2017 at 10:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed  

They say that immigration is an economic thing.


In part...yes. England, France and others would add other reasons for regretting their open door policies for Political Islam, the world's most rightfully feared cartel.

BajaBreak - 1-16-2017 at 09:37 AM

I came across an interesting movie recently, "The Perfect Dictatorship/La Dictadura Perfecta' on Netflix.

It seems like somewhat of a comedy to me, but also relevant to all the political corruption and media manipulation in the Mexican (and many others) government currently.

chuckie - 1-16-2017 at 09:57 AM

Kinda like the tragicomedy in the USA?

LancairDriver - 1-16-2017 at 11:14 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Geezo..yeah that's a problem been one, will continue to be...BUT OLD NEWS!...Wake up...


There's nothing old about the rapidly escalating level of economic suffering being heaped on the average Mexican citizen right now with no end in sight. Add the pressure on the auto companies to move production and jobs out of Mexico and you have conditions that resemble those before the French Revolution where heads did in fact roll.

chuckie - 1-16-2017 at 11:43 AM

Well, yeah But he was talking about the drug problem.......Old news..

BajaBreak - 1-16-2017 at 12:27 PM

All of the problems are old, and not really specific to Mexico, but it is an interesting topic given the recent events in Mexico.

Last year I heard people who've been living in Baja, and following some of the politics, talk about how disgusted people are with the current President. Like many politicians, he didn't fulfill his promises. I recall being in restaurants and locals would start cussing at the tv when he would come on. Not investing in education specifically. I'd think investing in infrastructure for the oil industry should have also been another priority, and now the price hikes are showing their effect.

As in the US the fuel price increase made everything more expensive, and had a lot to do with the recession. Sad situation as there are already so many people who are just scraping by, and I suspect they can't just print Trillions of dollars to rectify the situation like the US does. Politicians too often turn into shameless money grabbers, rather than actually trying to make their constituents lives better.

When Walking in Someone Else's Shoes.........

MrBillM - 1-16-2017 at 05:06 PM

........Try to find someone with the same size.

AND, given the hygiene practiced by some, use some Lysol spray inside first.